The Syndicate

I just want to apologize for the crap I did this game.

DH you are a mafia god and played a beautiful game. Sorry if I made it un-fun for you.

I really, really loved this game and set up Epi and apologize to you as well. Great role though and great fun while it lasted!

thellama73 wrote:The sexual tension between Roxy and Snow Dog is unbearable.

I have already had quite enough of you when you were alive must you continue to antagonize me????

Voted. nothing will change my mind. His reply to me only served to prove he is bad. Now I am a bitch - well thanks Snow! I think you are quite peachy! <3

Timmer - great post about Snow/DH. I could be down tovote either of them tbqh.

DH - lemme pull quotes when I get home. Until I pull the quotes and you have responded I will not vote for you seems more champion-like.

Snow - why dont you stick it up your ass instead?

That mad hatter theory feels off and not right nor fair.

Epi as a host never mk's no posters/voters. I believe every host to be different. I am of the minset of 2-3 days with no posts/votes/use of ability I mk. I feel it is only fair to those playing to kill off no shows/voters etc. why should people playing have to lynch/kill them? its unfair.
I personally think their is a balance betwixt Epi and MP's ways to handle it. (Epi never mk's and MP MK's players who actually are participating) and I feel there should be a participation rule on this site that sets the standard. this arguement is getting old on this site tbqh. Every other place I have played had standard participation rules -it is only fair to those playing.

Ok that made me feel queasier than I did before I started.

I still trust LC slightly more than DH only bc DH's arguements have a circular feel to them.
I do feel he could be indy.

I did not like Snow Dog using SVS as an excuse for his vote. It felt scummy and just placing the blame for his vote at her feet. I would ask Snow to let me know if she physically forced him to vote that way? If no than you must take responsilbility for your OWN vote.

Mongoose - your game feels slippery - something I usually only associate with Timmer when he is bad. You are not adding any original thoughts. Her last post explaining why she did not want to vote for either DH or LC felt slippery. You realize we are all champions and ALL deserve to play but at some point you are going to have to state who you find suspicious and why. Your vote for Hedge based on a one post theory without questioning is sending up all sorts of red flags for me.

MP - you were another that was leaping to vote Hedge on a one post theory without even questioning it was weird. But at least you posted about why you felt the way you do. I still think it quite a cop out for a Day 6 vote. You may as well random your vote

timmer wrote:Exactly, Alex is trying to cast himself as this big savior but he was just trying to get out in front of a situation that was already starting to unfold. He's very carefully playing the woe is me card to control the narrative. It makes me feel that I'm right about SD being bad SND her being the narrator.

Exactly! the writing was already on the wall.

Also irrational fear lol have you never been burned by a so called civ friendly indy in game??

I never once stated I would not consider your opinions thats a bit harsh.

Linky dh you are wrong - th did. Read back and you will see it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rox and everyone else, think about my actions.

If I was playing an Indy game, why the hell would I have risked outing Dom? It makes NO sense whatsoever.

My posts aren't irritated indy, they're irritated indy who has played civ-friendly all game and now is finding that absolutely no one trusts him whatsoever.

All I was asking is that my opinion is considered, like anyone else's. I'm not saying I'm infallible. I'm not saying anything even remotely like that. But if no one is even going to consider my opinion as possibly valid, then that's fine, but I won't bother building cases. Would you? It's a waste of my time.

It's everyone's irrational fear of Indies that is causing me to stop building cases, not that I'm not playing a civ-friendly game.

What keeps pinging me is that you keep saying you outed dom - which is wrong - TH did. That and your not so veiled threats. I might feel better about you if it werenkt for those pesky secretsinyour role description.

I have been tryingto catch up but it is nigh impossible.

MP - you did not indirectly out yourself - TH completely outed you. Your demeanor these last few posts seems like if we question you then you wil stop playing - basically since you said you would vote. it does not read civ friendly. It reads as irritated indy. I have stated repeatedly I do not trust indys and your posts paint a perfect example of why.

I do not think SVS or Daisy are bad.

still quite unsure about DH/LC. Really who knows they are such great players I find them hard to read.

Timmers posts were sounding slick but not now - I am not sure what to think about that but I thought it worth noting.

I am still looking at zeek, Snow, MP and now have added Mongoose to my list.

MP and zeek - you both seem to requote alot - sometimes whenit is wholly unjustified. If you want people to read your points you are making in the long quotey posts perhaps you should also post a short bullet points post. I know I am being being whiney right now but I am sick and quite whiney at this time. Sorrow.

Rest time then I Will say why I find those 4 more suspicious than the others.

hey not fully caught up still reading the zeek/MP show. Hope to have some thoughts to share later

Long Con wrote:

Roxy wrote:I have the sickness fyi
I am become death

Can you elaborate?

Host, do we PM the name of someone we think should have the ring, or do we just PM our own names if we wants it?

elaborate that I am sick? Ok. I have the flu and been running a high fever there was talk of the hospital but I promised my doc I would take a couple of days off which I have.

I have the sickness fyi
I am become death

zeek voted for Bass Day 4 I think bc Bass was not around he was very easy to toss under the bus for zeek but he never showed any interest in the DF case and actually was pushing a DH lynch that whole day. Also i would add that I had posted suspicion of zeek earlier and zeek, who seems to respond to everything, never even mentioned it. Which is why I made a post under his post that day.

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:

juliets wrote:

Dom wrote:

juliets wrote:I'm bothered by the point that TH knew MP had been double targeted but how would a baddie know that? He would know that his team had silenced MP but how would he know the other team did as well? There is something fundamental I'm missing here, can someone help me out? (I should have had the question curse).

In the same way that my team knew MP was double targeted. I targeted MP for a silence. The next day, both me and bass were on the poll because of Tyler Durden. Thus, my team knew that both Bass and I targeted MP.

Bass's team would know the same thing.

Yes once you were on the poll. I was thinking TH's statement came during the time MP was silenced, before the silencing ended before anyone was on the poll. I'll have to check back.

Don't know if it matters for the discussion at hand, but I note that either baddie team probably didn't assume that the other targeter was a baddie as well. Clearly Dom's team didn't think Bass was bad, because then Dom would likely have gone after him hard to get him lynched, instead of saying he thought Bass was a Civvie. Right, Domathan?

Indeed. Remember, we thought THREE people were silenced yesterday[size=large] until Roxy and juliets showed up cursed at the eleventh hour.[/size] The suits had no idea who targeted Tyler other than themselves.

You are twitching my nose with your mis-posted un-facts.

I was not cursed - I was silenced!!!!!

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:My Dom lynching time was not entirely logical, but I think that was clear. I was of two minds - on one hand, I thought Dom's actions showed he was bad, so he got my vote. On the other hand, I like playing with Dom, and I felt bad that he got stuck in the two-man-lynch situation, so I hoped he'd survive and keep playing. I chose logic over emotion in my vote, but both sides were in play for me.

As for my DH-lynching activities... well, you seem to be right, you can't be on both baddie teams. You've got me there, it's true.

I think DH is a suit. He ignored the case on DF, DF voted to save him, and he went after Dom during the Bass lynch.

DH could be a Suit but tbh I do not think so I think the other Suit is Zeek. Check out Zeek's posts and voting record it tells the whole story.

Long Con wrote:Does Bass know he's dead yet?

Yep I went out to the Middle of Nowhere, Maryland to check on him yesterday and broke the the news to him.

S~V~S wrote:You did have me as Bass teammate, though, didn't you? Do I need to baldly say "I am not Voldemort"?

But do you agree with me that I am likely to get NKed by the Suits tonight?

Can I actually keep away this time?

No I never had you as a teammate of Sebass. I do think you may be Indy. No I do not believe the Suits would kill you - why would they? You have plenty of suspicion flowing your direction that no baddie team would kill you imo.

Linky I do not think TH is a Suit - I could be wrong but I just don't see it as plausible.

S~V~S wrote:Do you think I have not already spoken with the host, Roxy?

Did you read Lily Potters posts, and Timmer's post about her? Do I think you should do that?

Yes I read Lily's posts with much laughter in my heart <3 Timmers too. I am unsure what to think about Lily as she could be with Volde as he was the last to her alive or with Snape not bc of love or anything but bc he is in the side of her son Harry. So yeah not sure about Lily - though I will say I am not ass-u-ming anything bc you know what assuming gets you - right?

S~V~S wrote:Yes it makes you a baddie, TH, although i AM NOT VOLDEMORT. Not

Bea is gonna lol and lol over all of this ha ha

Also you messed up SVS - this post is not in the form of a question ~~~

So MP has outed Dom? Looks that way - don't worry Dom the same has happened to me many times - you have every right to be upset and you did not piss me off when I was catching up this morning.
*Votes Dom*

it also seems as though MP has outed himself as Tyler - I never particularly trust indy's even if they *seem* to be helping the civ cause - I have been burned way too many times by indy's to ever trust them in a game. So I do think he should be discussed for next lynch.

AS for my other suspicions I do not think TH is bad at this time. Maybe what Dom saw in TH's post was a good catch idk but I do know that Dom is a baddie who will say/do anything not not get lynched.

I also am unsure about SVS. Her posts the other day when I was self-silenced seemed off to me when she was discussing how Dom and Bea were connected - she backed off of that assumption but not before my nose had been properly twitched.

I have a couple of others that I feel are bad but lets focus on what we know - and we know that Dom is a Sorcerer.

zeek wrote:Don't vote for me, Snowy, go for someone else.

Rox, we don't know what the Doctor's secret power is. He may regenerate again so they may want to take the chance.

No we do not know what his secret power is so he probs does not regenerate again.

Dom srsly why vote for someone who isn't even playing?

Also Snow Dog when did you ever express suspicion over Bass? Tbh I don't see it any where.

juliets wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Well that was fortunate. Getting bass I mean. You see, I was on to him but was persuaded otherwise. Right I don't know who to vote or what the spelling signifies in the host post but I must thank you, SVS for voting me and I'm glad I made you laugh.

I might vote zeek as SVS was considering him too.

Snowy, how were you persuaded otherwise about Bass? Something he said or did or someone else said or did or did it involve a curse of some kind? Also as long as we are talking about laughter DH made me laugh yesterday!

linki: Roxy, fyi Epi changed the host post. We are no longer voting for who we think is Dr. Who - we are voting for someone to be a successor to Dr. Who. Take a look up at his new host post and you will see it.

That doesnot make it any better what if we select an indy or baddie to replace him? Does that mean we lose a civ role to indy/baddie status?

I do not think is very likely that someone who likes Dr Who would in fact get the role of Dr Who.
In all the games I have played I have only received my favorite role in the theme once. One time only. (Thanks again for making me Hurley in the LOST game BR & LC) so those votes for people who like Dr Who seem off to me.

However if I was Dr Who I would not take btsc bc you could be outing yourself to and indy or baddie. To that I say no thanks. I feel the same as SVS I don't like trying to figure out who has a civ role.

Btw - no one has asked but I will tell everyone that I was silenced by my own ability the last day cycle. My ability is not an every night type of ability and when I do use it - it affects my posting abilty the next day though I can vote - which I did for Bass.

I am going to random my vote to someone who has not got a vote - looks like its Spacedaisy.

I mean the poll is asking us "who is your doctor?" so confused

Bye Son! <3 had a feeling!

Got some things I need to read before I give my 2-cents (which could wind up being tomorrow)

I do not understand the poll. Are we looking for who we think the Dr is or who they gets btsc with?

FZ - I got to be honest I did not like your last minute push to get people to unvote DF. When asked who else you would consider voting for you said Snow Dog. Which is the part I did not like bc even if you and the others would have moved to Snow Dog there would have still been enough votes to lynch DF. So why Snowy in that instance when it would have made zero difference in the lynch outcome? Why not DH or LC or anyone else that had votes already vs someone who ha none.

Bye DF

I voted TH

I do think the case against DF is a good one. *Votes*

zeek - I am so happy for your wonderful news! Nothing better than finding true love - congratulations!! <3
I don't understand why you say I am being defensive when no one as far as I have seen has accused me or suspected me. I was merely giving my opinion about why people were being close minded and limiting their choices to merely llama voters. Why not look at MM voters too? So if thats defensive ok.
I am however not really feeling you this game. You seem to be making yourself a presence in the game but you do not seem the same as you were in Dr Who. I cannot put a finger on it but my nose has been twitched.

Bass - I know you have had time to play but have not and I also know you are getting ready to help family out and will be afk for several days - if you are still around I am going to be watching as since the tag team event you pinged me. You did the same thing Timmer and Rey did but no one has said anything about it - well I am. My eye, as ever, is on you.

Timmer I am unsure about just yet.

TH feels civ as does Bea.

S~V~S wrote:

Roxy wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Roxy, I'm not saying that only Llama voters should be scrutinized, but we don't know Made's alignment. It's still very possible that he is a baddie, in which case he probably would have had teammates vote for Llama. I was mainly making my point in regards to FZ's statement that the Made voters should be focused on, which seems counterintuitive to me.

My point is that why didn't you scrutinize the Metalmarsh voters for a poss DH save if it is such a great place to start?

Thanks SVS about the reminder that it was Dr Who.

The point is we both were not baddies. The last time we were baddies together was WWE, where we nearly killed each other in thread and out. When were you thinking of that we were both baddies and getting along. I don't recall that tbh.

You are prob right as my memory is shit at even remembering what roles I have had in games but I was thinking it was a TP game - I want to say it was awhile back and the theme had something to do with computers or something recruiting-wise. I wish I had some sort of TP directory of games. So many great memories on that site.

MP - I am doing some reading I'll get back to you.

Its a very convenient story DH

Jk I am not going to be limiting my options the way some are so quick to do. I do not think muchcan be made of those votes until we know DH or Mades alignment it feels like we are in Salem at the witch trials

DFaraday wrote:Roxy, I'm not saying that only Llama voters should be scrutinized, but we don't know Made's alignment. It's still very possible that he is a baddie, in which case he probably would have had teammates vote for Llama. I was mainly making my point in regards to FZ's statement that the Made voters should be focused on, which seems counterintuitive to me.

My point is that why didn't you scrutinize the Metalmarsh voters for a poss DH save if it is such a great place to start?

Thanks SVS about the reminder that it was Dr Who.

Also DH the post you quoted is directed to DF not DH.

DH by your own logic we should be looking at all the people who voted Metalmarsh - something you did not seem to focus on during the last lynch - I wonder why?

Actually everyone who has insisted on looking at the llama voters why didn't you do the same for Metalmarsh? Why didn't this strong feelings of looking at civ voters turn up in the last lynch?

I am sorry but this just feels like a way to avoid any scrutiny.

Yep I voted for Metalmarsh and llama.
Mayhaps you should be looking at everyone who voted both?

Also last time SVS and MP trusted each other turned out bad if I remember correctly.

DF - why limit yourself that way? Do you think that every person who did not vote llama is a civ? Or vice versa do you think that everyone who did not vote either Made or llama is good?

In essence what I am seeing DH and now you are saying is that I, a llama voter, should be scruntinized more bc I did not try and lynch Made. it just feels wrong to limit yourself in this way.

MP Why is rey one of your top 3 trusted players? I have to say I am finding it hard to believe.

DH what evidence is there that says Made was being saved? I thought the case against him had very little merit tbh it is the reason why my vote did not go to Made.

So what actual evidence is there that you see that leads you to your definite conclusion?

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote:Sorry, llama Not going to say RIP because I hate when people wrongfully lynch me and then just go on like it's nothing, because it annoys the hell out of me (and yeah, I know, it's just a game). I apologize. I shouldn't have voted for you when I wasn't feeling that sure, but I didn't like the votes on Made.
To be honest, I think that if like I believe Made is a civ, then there's more chance to find baddies on his list of voters because it was easier to excuse a vote for him. I get why no one wants to give the wand to those on llama's lynch, but we all make mistakes.

I want to give the wand to TH, but I'm hesitant. I felt his actions were genuine last day, but who knows, maybe I'm wrong. I'll think about this a little more

What do you think of me? I have two votes already. TH does not. TH also is one of those votes.

Not sure yet. It's a possibility. The post below the one I quoted where you go after Juliets like that reminds me of how you went after me in that game (where I was a civ, but you truly believed it), so you seem more civvie like.

Can I ask a general question? Out of all the players here, who would you all say is the best at sniffing out baddies?

You yourself can be a really good baddie hunter but other times (like last game on KSite) you are horrible at hunting baddies.
I think most people are the same as you and I. Sometimes you're good other times not.

I am not sure how I feel about you quite yet.

DH your push about how Made was saved is moot as Made has not been proven to even be a civ unless you know something the rest don't. It feels like you are trying to push discussion to llama voters so we do not discuss other possible suspects. Now you go on to say that out of everyone SVS seems to be the safest civvie bet. (a llama voter)
Hope you are wearing a saddle for all the fence riding you are doing.

Long Con wrote:I'd love to get the wand. Does anyone trust me enough?

RIP Llama, truly sorry to see you go.

Mad Hatter, eh? Of all the secrets, that's the one I felt most likely to be one that could mess with a person's posting or voting somehow. Tough to say.

I gave you my vote

Bye llama

sorry FZ. I am super busy today.

LC what was Epi's response?
I am still not sure of what to make of DH. I played Misfits too but he often does things to start convo but he does this irregardless of alignment.
As for Made - idk what to think if LC would answer it would shed light on the situation. I do know Epi does thing differently as a Host in most every game he hosts - most hosts do things different from each other otherwise games would be quite boring.

Staying with my llama suspicion. if he is civ it is very uncivvieliketo not answer peoples posts and questions and give some sort of reasoning for the way he has acted in the game so far.

I think llama was trying to wind meup for an easy lynch - kind of like what SVS says what DH did.

I voted for llama and unless something drastic happens it will remain.
He never even bothered to respond to my post to him or answer any questions I asked.
I have to say he can dish it out but cannot handle what comes of it.

Your welcome for the points everyone <3

I want to know why llama has been trying to bait me since being such a troll atthe beginning of the game with his socky award comment and then after I do get upset at the thought off hurting Mongooses feelings - she - not llama - tell me it was llama being a goblinesque troll. I felt it was just mean tbh. Then when I did post he starts with this - is Roxy being extra testy bs.

Lemme answer you - you bet I am testy after your stunt. idk why you are trying to wind me up but I am not going to let your little troll-like ways destroy any fun that I might be able to glean from this game.

What is your point? Answer your own question - am I being testy? Then answer mine - why would I be testy after your goblin troll stunt?



Are you only finding me suspicious? bc tbqh you are making suspect you bc of the way you are acting towards me. Have I done something to make you personally mad at me? Have I upset you bc I said I wanted to vote you for using the word idiom?

I hope fz will post again if not I will post and give points to people I do not have at the bottom of my list.

Aww bye BR RIPIYWG

I do hope this tag team thing isn't more of a distraction with extra filler posts like Elo pointed out or just mindless quoting and commenting on every post.

The BR kill feels random and I am not sure who would want to take her out so quickly so I think I will read back on the D1 lynch so see if anything can be gleaned from posts/votes.

Btw the dog pic Made posted made me giggle

I am so sorry Aardvark I do hope you get your rezz.

I picked FZ for my tag team partner I hope you are ok with that FZ!

I went ahead and voted as I do not have much time.

I am unsure about dh/lc. if forced to pick one over the other as more likely civ it would be lc.only bc I am so often wrong when I trust dh.I also do not think boomslang is bad.

Thats all I have time for right now as my son nic would like to spend q-tiime with his mommy.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Metalmarsh, I'm not arguing about conformism. I'm arguing that, because there are more civs than mafia in the game, any given group of players is more likely to be composed of more civs than mafia. The largest, i.e., majority, group is thus most likely to contain the most civs.

According to your theory, the only thing that will matter are overall numbers. Let's take a look.

Given a group of maybe 20 players who vote one way, or specifically act one way, 58% of them will be civvie (about 11-12) and 39% will be baddie (about 7-8). But these percentages will apply to any behavior or vote pattern according to your theory, which means that same ratio will exist even if only two players exhibit a specified behavior. Sure there will be more civvies in larger groups, but there will be more baddies to keep the percentages even. Especially in a game where we have two four-player baddie teams and four indies, we have a lot of free-thinking going around, and by proxy, a lot of conforming without hesitation.

So I don't think looking at behaviors is important. Actually, I lied. If there is a behavior that you think is indicative of baddie, of course it's worth looking into. Otherwise, I believe looking at player-specific behaviors is a better bet. Oh and vote patterns.

Linki: What llama said.

Are these Maths a joke too?
I disagree with a good portion of this.
Tbf a lot of your posts make my nose twitch.

No. I was logically proving that Boomslang's theory is inaccurate.

So you disagreee with llama and agree with Boomslang?

Linki: ture

Did I state anywhere that I agreed with Boom? Nope.

I said I disagree with your posts.
First off is your vote for SVS to get convo going seems like a bit of a stretch. bc A) you never stated any reasoning to, ya know, get convo going. b) bc when asked who you were changing your vote to you ignored and acted like we should have deduced ourselves who you were voting for.

As far as the quoted post goes your interpretation of how behaviors are not important then go on tosay yes they are important. You rode the fence in your entire post. you say this is important but then say its not as important as this.

I say behavior is a big part of locating baddies. You telling people what is right or wrong in hunting baddies is more or less telling them don't play your own way bc it. is wrong. I super disliked it when inh called boomslang stupid which is the #1 reason I do not like your or his reactions to one post boomslang made. I realize YOU did not call him stupid but you still argued with inh against boomslangs post. (Which may be wrong but who am I to judge how boom plays?) yes its worth noting but is it worth a vote I do not think so.

I do think your behavior this game is quite different than other games. You seem much more into it than before - more in your face - though thats not quite it either.

I do think I will be voting for you.

bea wrote:I have.to.o/c.today. will try.to.check in when I can.