The Syndicate

At the Flash Museum I picked up The Rival's Speed Force Formula. It allowed me 5 extra square moves to use whenever I wished. I had only used one extra move so you could have had 4 LC.

Sorry to you as well DH.
In all of the games I have played recently I have played very poorly. Idk that I was ever that great but lately i do feel as if i have been worse than usual. It is funny how much rl affects my game play - so much so that it is ridiculous.

Oh I forgot to ask what DharmaHelpers role was. What is it DH?

Idk MM whoever seemed bad at the time? This game feels like it happened a lifetime ago for me.

timmer wrote:

Roxy wrote:Alson sorry to whoever was upset after I died and said GoOld Rogues -r but honestly it was like saying Go Civvies as MR said in the very beginning that the Old Rogues were as close to civvies as possible this game. So sorry to whoevers game I ruined by posting that.

That whole civ/Old Rogue thing was what started me of on a bit of a wrong for, tbh. Not what you said, but what MR said. In my mind, people say "I'm a civ" in games all of the time, it's a standard comment, so I claimed Old Rogue thinking that they were synonymous. But I didn't realize at first just how narrow a claim that really was, and thus by the time a few OR were dead, it amounted to apseido role claim. I sport of went downhill after that.

I am so sorry Timmer

Alson sorry to whoever was upset after I died and said GoOld Rogues -r but honestly it was like saying Go Civvies as MR said in the very beginning that the Old Rogues were as close to civvies as possible this game. So sorry to whoevers game I ruined by posting that.

I was captain cold I got to kill every time an old rogue died.

splints and bf deaths gave me the 2 kills I used.

Worst result possible!

Llama lynch me if you would like - but you given no reason nor did you bother to respond to me.
You said you would be looking at your voters but you have done nothing to help. Since you are a confirmed civ you need to take more of a leadership role. Stop the nonsense and actually try.

I am not going to become your next bullzeye (see what I did there?) I wil no longer defend if you all want to lynch me just do it. but a reason would be good.

Sure he could have deceived me but I just don't think so. There were lots of things said and done to let me know I can trust him.

I really do not want to elaborate the conversation. At this point I have found zero reason not to trust his motives.

No roleclaiming is allowed. Other things were said to understand each other.

AceofSpaces wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

AceofSpaces wrote:I'm caught up now.

LongCon, SD had the most votes when the poll closed. Ignoring any vote manipulations, she should have been the one lynched. I don't know why I was the one in the lynch post. Flavor text, possibly?

I haven't figured out my vote yet.

Were you by the flash museum?

I'm pretty sure our host has told us not to discuss our exact map positions. If you are asking if I caused this repeat day, I did not. I was pretty sure I was going to get lynched until about 1 minute before the poll closed, and everyone was changing their votes. I think if you look back, you'll see my frustration with the situation. If I knew there was a event like this coming up, I would have shown a bit more indifference to the vote.

I will attest to this.
If Aces had known something was happening I do not think he would have said/acted the way he was in chat.

Turnip Head wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Daisy definitely had the most votes.

Well she never seemed too concerned about dying if you ask me. How close was it, was she only ahead by a vote or two?

This is true.

LC - what more would you like me to say about Aces and me? I said everything yesterday. I know you asked me to say who it was eaarly on but no way I was going to do it without giving him a fair chance in bts - he was very sincere and what he said made sense. I feel if I had said something earlier a lot of people would have used my post as a reason for their vote -so I waited - I really felt I saved Aces and he was worth it.

But yeah I was so busy defending I did not take notice of the poll votes

I am with my gut I voted DH

Aces - where are you looking today?

The thing that holds me back from voting DH is the fact bf voted there. bf has been going on and on about Bullz then suddenly he switched to DH which now in turn has me doubting myself inre: DH.

Idk what I am going to do.

FZ. wrote:It's been a very busy day. What the heck is going on with the names on the poll, the reverse stuff and all of that? Can someone explain it?

I don't know what to think of all of this. I still want to know if you all think this is the doing of a civvie or a baddie

I was wondering if it had something to do with Prof. Zoom who looks and reminds me of the Reverse Flash. What do you think about that FZ?

Thanks for sharing inre: Soneji

DH - Flashpoint Paradox? Can you explainit in a way that I could understand?

S~V~S wrote:OH. I had one hell of a time figuring some of those out, lol.

LOL I did too I did think yours should have been V~S~V though

I do think everyone is on the poll.

linky - I would not read too much into Rey as the last few games he has signed up for he plays for a minute then is replaced or MK'ed.

As for Soneji and Ika I do not know but they are new and I am not quite ready to pick on new players to the forum yet.

I thought we decided that Made was indeed on the poll as Destroyed - get it- Made/Destroyed

DharmaHelper wrote:Rox (and anyone else), I saved this point for a different post:

My suspicion of Made stems from his inactivity (which I am against, and on record for being so), and from a hunch/theory of mine that I wanted to post in a separate post to allow for discussion:

There are 3 factions that should, logically, have a kill. (Detectives, Grodd, and New Rogues). We have only seen the Grodd and Detective kills. Epi's kill was with a Captain Cold-like weapon, which given the map, the secrets, etc, could mean anything. So it is possible that Made is responsible for the 3rd (New Rogue) kill and has missed his window.

That's an interesting take DH.

I see, thanks for the replies DH I shall mull over what you have posted if i have any further questions I will ask straight away.

No MM that is not a case that is proving a point - so no I will not make a case on you. Sorry to disappoint you

Metalmarsh89 wrote:@SVS, Anytime you see timmer, just assume that it is first person.

If that doesn't seem to fit in the sentence, then start substituting names.

there is only 21 names to check through SVS to see which one he is referring to

DharmaHelper wrote:I'll respond to your big post in more detail soon Rox, but here is my preliminary response:

I can see several instances of you twisting or misrepresenting what was said, so I think you are bad.

I will look forward to your response DH.
I do feel like I misrepresented or twisted anything - so maybe a clarification will help.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:timmer'm still thinking that timmer (who timmer've voted for and even written a poem about) should be lynched.

But timmer'm not liking the fact that these two ladies are shrouding suspicion over the cursed.

Linki: Disapproved.

A minute ago you said this -

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Make a case then. timmer'm as hard to understand as you want me to be.

you funny boy MM

timmer certainly did post that a minute ago. timmer'm unsure what you are trying to conclude.

You said you did not like the fact that SVS and I were shrouding suspicion around you yet in a post before you said I could make a case. You cannot have it both ways - I do not want to do this back and forth while you are cursed so consider this my last response to you until you are no longer cursed.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:timmer'm still thinking that timmer (who timmer've voted for and even written a poem about) should be lynched.

But timmer'm not liking the fact that these two ladies are shrouding suspicion over the cursed.

Linki: Disapproved.

A minute ago you said this -

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Make a case then. timmer'm as hard to understand as you want me to be.

you funny boy MM

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Make a case then. timmer'm as hard to understand as you want me to be.

yah I have noticed - and no I will not be making a case until you are not cursed - I do not play that way - sorry.

Why did you stop using pictures so you could be understood?

MM is so pingy if he was not cursed I would totes be voting for him - his posts are full of baddieness tbph.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:timmer is starting to get the feeling that timmer actually wants to be lynched today.

ffs! Use the pictures so you can be understood. Is there a reason you do not want to be understood? Something to hide? Like you have been hiding behind thid curse? TBH if you were not cursed there would be a case laid out about you as well.

Been reading DH this morning -

You first help lead the lynch against llama. (which in a sense llama brought on himself but that's just one girls opinion). You thought llama should have been pointing out fallacies you thought existed Day 0 and llama did not bc he was too busy putting down The Flash and talking about monkeys.

DharmaHelper wrote:I don't think he's a civvie. I don't like his whole Day 0 schtick, it got annoying very quickly. Also, I noticed he didn't berate anyone for any logical fallacies throughout the entire duration of Day 0. People were jumping to conclusions all over the place and Llama did not voice any opposition to it.

DharmaHelper wrote:Mostly the speculation on the meaning of the letters, like the above. I expected llama to jump in and beat the shit out of the speculation like it owed him money. He didn't. That's suspect.

If you thought there were fallacies then why didn't YOU jump in and "beat the shit out of the speculation"?


When fingersplints tried to tell you this was normal for him you shut her down post haste.

DharmaHelper wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

llama seems crazy even for him. My only thoughts about that is he would probably be less likely to be this out there if he had bts and someone else to consider.

What's your point here? As far as I'm aware BTSC is not in full swing across the board quite yet.

I thought my point was pretty clear. He seems to be drawing a lot of attention to himself. I think he would be less likely to do so if he had btsc or potential btsc partners to worry about. Because it isn't in full swing yet doesn't mean that all those with the potential to gain btsc won't worry about their partners.

I suppose I disagree.

Now she is dead.

It was after this that he went after SVS putting the blame of the llama lynch directly at her feet (which I disagree with 100%)

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:@ Long Con. Well then let's hope there is a rezz for him this time around too.

I do recall the situation in that game. Actually, I don't think anyone would have drawn any comparisons if llama hadn't specifically said that he wanted to be King of the Morlocks again. In hindsight, it seems clear that he was just being funny.

IIRC SVS lead the "Hey this looks awfully like Llamas civvie game from this one time" train.

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Was Llama good or bad in the Morlock game? I can't recall, I think I have to go look.

Turnip Head wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Was Llama good or bad in the Morlock game? I can't recall, I think I have to go look.

He was Professor X, a civilian.

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Was Llama good or bad in the Morlock game? I can't recall, I think I have to go look.

For some reason, people thought my not being interested in anything besides being King of the Morlocks was somehow sinister and they lynched me for it.

History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man.

This was how the Llama/X Men thing started, DH. Not exactly "leading a train". YOU started that train, iirc. After this I made two posts where I was wishy washy. Like how Llama does this to amuse himself when he has no BTS, which does not mean much in this game. Personally he looked exactly like he did in that game to me. But it is possible as well that he was doing it on purpose as some thought, which is pretty much all I said about the situation.

Don;t be blaming me for this one, the five people who voted him at the end, when Epi was clearly in the lead, are where the fingers should be pointing (not even at you, tbh). If finger pointing needs to be done.

If there doesn't need to be finger pointing, why did you just point the finger back at me rather defensively, if I don't deserve it, according to you?

You did deserve this finger-pointing imho
I think SVS is right to have pointed the finger at you.

You voted Bass - latching on to a pre-built case. and adding that Bass reminded you of the Death Note game where Bass was bad.

Then you try to take full claim of the Bass lynch - it seemed important to you that people thought it was your doing:

Huh. Guess that hunch of mine paid off.

If it were me, I'd go back and look at SVS and FZ since they both practically jumped down my throat after I voted Bass.

Still trying to get SVS lynched.

To be fair, I'm hardly responsible for the Bass lynch being a success. I was just personally correct, which is an achievement for myself. Several others seemed to think he was bad.

Oh so Timmer can brag and take all the credit but I can't I see how it is.

Tbf you do say that several others seen Bass was bad but you still point out - AGAIN - that your were right.

Now you go back to pressing SVS for lynch bc she "jumped down your throat" for your Bass vote - which she did not btw.

I find it odd that when you could not get one case to stick to SVS you went ahead and made another case against her - why do you need SVS dead this game?

Now you mention you would vote for Made out of the clear blue sky just bc he has not been around - why? You have been making cases on SVS now you move on to someone who is not even been playing or posting or even voting - do you think it will be easier to lynch a non player than to lynch SVS?

You are suspicious of me for not coming out sooner about Aces but I notice you did not say anything to help him either. Don't play that song to me DH.

thellama73 wrote:Well, since I will probably by night killed tomorrow, I might as well go for broke today. From beyond the grave, I saw this post of Roxy's and became convinced that she is bad.

Roxy wrote:Bye llama I do not understand why you would want to draw so much attention to yourself with your monkey antics with such an important role. :/

You thought I would draw attention to myself as a mafia member, but not as an important civ role? That's disingenuous, and phoney, and I think you're bad, and I'm voting for you right now.

No that is not what I said. I said why would you draw so much attention to yourself when you had such an important role. I said nothing about you doing it as mafia, your reasoning here is not making sense with what I actually posted.

You first said you were:

thellama73 wrote:

Roxy wrote:I am glad neither got lynched. I feel better about Aces and neutral feeling on Daisy.

Welcome llama I am sure we all will look forward to your fresh take on things.

Expect bloddy revenge on those who killed me.

Yet you did not look at your voters. Why?

I actually said you were par for the course during everyones rush to lynch you the first time bc of your need to draw attention to yourself:

Roxy wrote:Llama - weird wonderful llamaman. He ofc has brought up voting low posters - I believe just to irritate me right now though idk if he is bad. I feel likke so far he is par for the course.

so instead of looking at someone who said you were "par for the course" you should look at your voters imo-

DharmaHelper, FZ., DFaraday, Bullzeye, Turnip Head, Soneji (24), Black Rock, Long Con

or have you cleared them all?


I am going to be honest here. I am not going to have a redo of the previous day. I have said and defended myself all I can if you want to vote me then be my guest but you will kick your own ass when i am lynched.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:DH what do you think of Roxy?

I don't feel great about her waiting so long on the Aces thing.

If I had come out sooner then so many others would have used my reasoning to vote for him without waiting to see if there was reason. As it turned out he was sincere and there was no reason to vote him.
Whether YOU feel great about it is irrelevant tbh what matters to me is how Aces feels - and he understood and agreed with me. I saved him whether you want to see it or not.

Metalspammer - the more you push Bullz the more my nose twitches about you. If I had to pick oneof you to be bad I would chose you.
The more you and bf go after Bullz the better he looks in my eyes.

timmer wrote:Wb llama!

Amd this lynch result is probably for the best, on several levels.

I apologize for getting overheated and a bit belligerent, sometimes the game gets the better off me and I let my theories out into the open before I can adequately make the case proper. I respect you all, and don't want to diminish the enjoyment of the game for anyone.

Not belligerent - passionate!
I know you did not diminish my game - you enhanced it.

I am glad neither got lynched. I feel better about Aces and neutral feeling on Daisy.

Welcome llama I am sure we all will look forward to your fresh take on things.

I hope you didn't take the aspirin with -

I am voting Timmer.
for things I have already said.
1. Defending Epi's gambit of lynching Elo bc she is not an Old Rogue or does not have BTSC.
2. Said Epi's play was sketchy or baddie like and that he could understand the suspicion on him.
3. Pushing his suspicion of me while I was silenced getting everyone on board before I can speak.
4. His general play this game. Pushy and slick.

Timmer Because I was trying to give Ace a chance to show up and chat. If I would have said anything sooner everyone would have voted him using my reasoning which I was not even sure about.

No I did not sell him down the river. He does seem sincere in chat its why I am saying this DH.

How do you feel about your bro this game?

S~V~S wrote:Did we ever find out who the Map Chat partner is?

It was Aces he seems sincere in chat so I am wavering about him.

I honestly forgot about my fake silences TH. so there you are right on that point. But you are wrong in thinking I am bad. I am not bad just a bad mafia player.

I hope you understand now so we do not have to go through this again

I thought you were bad the minute you called me out for something you later said yourself about Epi. This is why I actually think you silenced me in hopes that I would not get a chance to tell everyone you are bad.

I would reiterate what i said earlier about you -

Roxy wrote:Bye splints this game is much more boring without ye!

I need to catch up again but I am still very suspicious of Epi and now Timmer bc he was sspicious of my Epi suspicion but then showed how Epi could be bad with bad intentions in his pursuit of an Elo lynch. I do get how he is defending someone who wanted his role dead.

If anyone has anything they would like me to answer post your questions now while I am around.

Once again I am not an Indy I am an Old rogue.

timmer wrote:Tell me one more time, Roxy. What is your opinion of Aces? And how are things going with the person you are in BTSC with?

you need to catch up, Roxy. The reason I had, which I mentioned previously, for thinking you were indy because the only role that could silence on odds nights, going by tildes, was an indy. And I've proven that Murmur's role, the only one that directly says he silences people, had previously said EVEN nights, which gave you an out. Only it's been corrected to ODD nights. You were silenced on an odd night. You needed to be found by the SAME person Bass 1.0 needed to be found by, and you both used your powers on yourselves as a shout out.

More importantly, to go with that, you've hedged your bets all game, not really committing to any one side, except for Epig early on, which was kind of an easy choice to make.

Iff you are such an expert at my mafia style then you would no I LOATHE silencing roles and would never have used it on anyone especially myself.

Now you are saying Epi was an easy choice how many different ways in one day can you find me suspicious? This is so hilarious!
I will not tell you how I feel about Aces just to irk you.

what handy "out"???? I know of none tbh.

timmer wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Your point about Aces still stands though, right? With only 2 hours he already has votes?

I'm at 90-95% with Roxy. 75%-80% with Aces. It's enough that I'll jump on it if Roxy isn't going to happen, yes.

yes 90-95% such bs!
Next lynch after me will be you on that bit I am 100% certain!

Linky what host post got corrected?

blindfaeth wrote:I didn't see those hints going very far back. She seems to sway with the wind a lot. Poking questions on the people who have some suspicion cast on them, forget them for a while and question them again when the wind blows again.

This is a straight up lie.

timmer wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:Timmer, can you spell it out for me like I'm stupid, why that changes your perception of roxy? Does it mean she led about being silenced?

1. It starts with the same scenario as Bass 1.0. Same exact compiracy theory. The baddies don't start with BTSC. they need to be found. Bass 1.0 did it by cursing himself. I think Roxy did it by silencing herself.

2. She has only once come on strong in this game, going after Epig, an easy target early on with his Eloh suspicion.

3. the entire rest of the game she has hedged her bets. Read through her posts.

4. I don't buy this whole "I've only had btsc in mapchat with 1 person, I'll name the, no I won't, they just showed up, give me time" business. She's watching the clock.

5. She refused to offer an opinion on Aces. Again, watching the clock tick down, hedging her bets.

Roxy is bad, and likely so is Aces.

slick Timmer makes an appearance ---- hello baddie Timmer!

I am calling bullshit!

I hope when you get your wish and I am lynched that people will wake the f up and lynch you. Your constant pushing of people in this game is so unreal. If they do not vote or say what you want them to say then they are bad and that my friend is deffo NOT civ behavior!

blindfaeth wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Long Con wrote:Rooooxxyyyyy... Telllllll uuuuuussssssssssss.....

They came to chat after I posted I am trying to guage how I feel. I do know I do not like the way Timer is pushing this. I did not mention any names I just wanted it out there in cse thats where my vote went. as a heads up.

I want to give them a chance to prove them selves since I have time before I vote.

I misunderstood, I thought you meant last day period. Did they post in the thread in that stretch of time they didn't show up in your chat?

Yes they posted in the thread during that time and claim they forgot about btsc.