The Syndicate

Chaindeath likes the cut of P813's jib.

Soneji wrote:Prisoners, if you wish to have my vote you will have to entertain me. Get to it, for the night is dark and full of terrors

Yes, terrors like you arresting people as the police chief.

Prisoner 607001 wrote:Chaindeath, I meant this specifically:

If the cops were going to arrest Nero that night instead of S~V~S chaindeath is pretty sure they would have gotten the arrest without the kill going off.
What are you trying to say? I understood the rest of what you said, but this perplexed me. I am not sure what this has to do with the rest of what you said.

Ah, sorry. Chaindeath mistook the events of an earlier lynch to mean that there was a sort of turn order in place, since there was a hit pulled off then the cops got there to find the person dead. In Magic order of events matters quite a lot and it effects the way he plays his other games.

Chaindeath is sorry

Prisoner 607001 wrote:
chaindeath wrote:Then Soneji has to be the chief.

Chaindeath, can you explain what you meant before?

This post;did you miss it?:

Prisoner 607001 wrote:Thanks Host!

So chaindeath, can you be clearer with what you meant up there ^^ without getting in trouble?

Prisoner 958153 wrote:
Prisoner 607001 wrote:Chaindeath, explain this like I am stupid. What does this mean?

If the cops were going to arrest Nero that night instead of S~V~S chaindeath is pretty sure they would have gotten the arrest without the kill going off.
I thought the host said that night powers go through if the person using them dies. So I am unsure how who was arrested would have had an effect on this. Dom was killed by the civvies according to this post.

MP, since you are here, night powers & kills & such still go through if the person who had the power dies that night, right? Or did I imagine you said that?
That was said in Spirited Away mafia, you confused geezer, you. Although, I guess it's likely to be the same.

What say you MP; do dead players night actions carry through?
No it was said here, he just confirmed it:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Prisoner 607001 wrote:MP, since you are here, night powers & kills & such still go through if the person who had the power dies that night, right? Or did I imagine you said that?
That is correct.

Please let us know if we've missed any other questions; it's been a hectic day. Apologies for the delay. Thanks!

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It was process of elimination. Chaindeath's previous post explains how how he got to this point. Hope this clears it up P607.

Town
Don - Sock (Sloonei or TH)
Don - Daisy (Sloonei or TH)
chaindeath

Neutral (?)
Prisoner 509
(Soon to be paroled prisoner)

Cops
Soneji
Elo (Dead. Like so dead.)

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Welp. Anyway. We're in the heated final days of a heck of a game, so let's finish strong y'all. Moving foward.

Hey chaindeath, it's clear that you've been trying to keep track of peoples' roles. That can be a productive exercise, and I admit that it's not my strong suit personally. Would you be able to tell me what kinds of methods you're using to determine what roles certain people might have, and how long you've been working on that?

This is something that chaindeath started on day 10 because the pool was small enough that it allowed some small amount of certainty. His starting point was himself, 1 townie. Then The two dons since they haven't been lynched yet and TH has been confirmed. Sloonei has been active all game and chaindeath is willing to bet that the police tried to lynch him multiple times without success, the first time thinking maybe he was a stool pigeon then trying again to confirm his real role. As a prisoner you seem to be on the side of the town. Epi made chaindeath waffle between for the whole time up until his death. With Epi's flip it drew chaindeath's eye to the similarity to Epi's efforts to kill both Nero and chaindeath. This made Nero slide into town. Given the large number of unknown roles left chaindeath did some hoping that one of the people we arrested was the seemer which left three cop roles open to be filled. Once Nero got arrested it really narrowed down the possibilities for who the cops were, since chaindeath isn't one it left only soneji and Elo. Elo has flipped as a cop, so only Soneji is left to do horrible cop things as the chief.

TL:DR - Chaindeath logic-ed his way through the past couple of days for the most part.

That should be all of chaindeath's thoughts on how he came to thinking what he thought. In the middle of Day 10 one could add about two hours of despair over who was the one to lynch and about a half hour of OMG the website is down and people are going to kill him because he wasn't able to cast his vote.

Then Soneji has to be the chief.

Sloonei wrote:chaindeath, I think your shift on Nerolunar just before the end of night last night makes you look bad. Care to respond?

Chaindeath knows how the change looked and unfortunately he wasn't able to be sure about Nero's alignment before that point. But Chaindeath can explain his reasoning, though it's going to look very similar to the other reasoning he posted.

Town
Don - Sock
Don - Daisy
chaindeath

Neutral (?)
Prisoner 509

Cops
Soneji
Elo

Prior to this being the state of the board with Nero alive and Epi being flipped as a cop chaindeath looked at what the other roles likely were. with chaindeath being the other town option that the cops would like to lynch they chose to get Nero because he helped in killing off Dom the night before.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Night 10

S~V~S has been arrested by the Police. She was ?????.

Dom has been killed by the Capo and Crew from The Sockfaced Famiglia. He was Rookie Cop, a member of The Police.

It is now Day 11.

You have 48 hours to find a policeman. Good luck, goons!

If the cops were going to arrest Nero that night instead of S~V~S chaindeath is pretty sure they would have gotten the arrest without the kill going off.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Night 2

In an abandoned warehouse near the outskirts of the industrial district, a man is tied and hanging from a meat hook. Another man circles him, carrying a baseball bat. Nearby stands a table full of various instruments of torture.

"Come on Dr. Wilgy, I know you're really a cop. Everything about you screams undercover prick. Save me the time of cutting you up and just admit it now."

Wilgy stares back at the man holding the bat without saying a word.

"You don't really want me to have to use all these tools at my disposal just to make you say what we already know, do you? Come on, talk."

"And give you the satisfaction of saying you knew it all along? No thanks. If you are going to kill me, go ahead. But you're killing a man who would never turn on his own family. You can carry that blood on your hands."

This answer was not the one the man with the bat was looking for and threw him into a complete fury. Within moments all that was left of Wilgy was a bloody mass of flesh.

"Dammit man, now I have to clean this mess up and bury you somewhere. I hate this job some days. Ah fuck it, I'll leave it for someone else to deal with."

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"Our informant says something is going down at this location tonight," the chief says, nodding out the window towards the building. "If we're lucky we will catch the big fish in the middle of something dirty and we can put him away for life."

The group exits the van and move softly into the building before busting into it in yet another flurry of noise and gun brandishing. Hey, if it isn't broke, right? Unfortunately all they found was Wilgy's dead body hanging from a meat hook.

"It looks like he hasn't been dead long, sweep the area, see if you can find anyone else," the chief barked. He was irritated that they had come so close only to find their intended target not there, and their other target dead. It wasn't a good night for him.

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"The boss really liked our work today!"

The Capo and crew were having a beer, talking over their success.

"So what are we going to do with our reward?"

"Try and take out that Sockface Don Bozo, of course!"

"Ohhh," the first guy nodded with a sly grin, "that's why you're the Capo, you've got the brains!"

"So we doin' this or what?"

The Capo nodded toward a booth in the back, "He's over there."

The three grabbed their drinks and made their way over to the booth, before sliding into the booth, two on one side and the third blocking their victim from escape. Matt looked at them nervously, "Hey guys, what's going on?"

"Don't act so innocent, we have you figured out. We're not a bunch of chumps."

"What do you mean?"

"We mean it's closing time. Let's go."

"It's only six fifteen," Matt protested weakly.

The crew member on his side of the booth grabbed his arm and pulled him up, sticking a gun in his ribs, "You have an early bedtime tonight."

No one paid any attention as they escorted him from the bar, or if they noticed they pretended not to. No one wanted any trouble. The gunshot outside created a moment of silence inside and then slowly everyone went on as if nothing had happened.

DrWilgy has been killed by the Hitman from The Sockfaced Famiglia. He was Crew, a member of The Daisy Crime Syndicate.

????? escaped an arrest attempt by the Police.

DrWilgy was already dead and thus escaped an arrest attempt by the Police.

Matt has been killed by the Capo and Crew from The Daisy Crime Syndicate. He was The Fall Guy, a member of The Daisy Crime Syndicate.

It is now Day 3.

You have 48 hours to find a policeman. Good luck, goons!

He thinks this implies there is an order of operations to the night and how arrests happen, maybe?

The biggest point he wants to make is that he should not be the target of the lynch because he is pretty sure that makes the town lose. If a don can only be killed if the majority of his family votes for him they would tie and neither family would win in totality.

Every night, he selects a mission that the Capo and Crew must perform; he either punishes or rewards them based on their performance. Additionally, every night, he puts a hit out on a player; if it matches the name submitted by Hitman, the hit is successful. He is immune to any Police night actions. Can only be lynched if the majority of his voters is from his own family. Has BTSC with Consigliere.

Chaindeath would like to be as transparent during this time as the rules will allow.

Prisoner 640326 wrote:Chaindeath is reading this thread...

Indeed he is, and he did. However, he has an event to go to soon so he'll post more of his thoughts here a bit later in the night.

Prisoner 483934 wrote:I'm voting for Elohcin because y'all seem pretty positive.

I don't know much about Soneji, but I wouldn't mind lynching him.

I don't want to lynch Prisoner 509, because that seems fruitless.

I'd buy chaindeath a drink for making it to Day 12 alive in his first game back in 3 years. Gin and tonic please! (tanqueray or hendricks )

I would make friends with Sloonei and Turnip Head because they are fun folks.

Also:

Prisoner 483934 wrote:
Prisoner 606386 wrote:This seems to be all you've got so far, Sloonei.
Prisoner 958153 wrote: 3) Sloonei shouldn't be immune from having every inch of himself thoroughly interrogated, especially with these few players left.
I know which inch of Sloonei I'd like to interrogate.

You are a strange one, I like it :P

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Did you agree with all of the night arrest choices the team has made, chaindeath?

The fuck kinda question is that? Chaindeath has in no way been connected to any of the arrests.

If Epi wasn't bussing then me and Turnip Head are the bad guys. Do you think that's the case?

You two (sloonei and TH) are two of the people who are in the town with chaindeath.

Prisoner, no. Sloonei, At this point in the game chaindeath doesn't think it would be smart to bus ones teammate like that, go for targets who are already suspect not for your teammates. However, Epi was playing mind games all game so it could be that also.

Chaindeath is fine with Sloonei being warden. Soneji and Elo are likely the cops that are remaining. And to preemptively stop the OMG he changed his mind on Nero. It happens. In light of Epi's flip as a cop and some of the conversation leading up to and in the time between days chaindeath has an idea. Epi kept pushing for the two of us to be lynched and if Nero was his teammate that probably wouldn't be a smart thing to do. What would happen if the town rallied to chaindeath's side and we ended up lynching him and loosing the game from it. He'll be keeping an eye on Nero but for the moment he seems like he could be town.

Chaindeath wasn't able to vote. He couldn't get onto the Syndicate

504 Error

Chaindeath isn't sure it works that way. From how it reads the crew =/= to the hitmen.

Prisoner Chaindeath hadn't thought about it that way...

Dom* fricken auto correct

It has to be cappo or crew because they nked Don.

Because you seem to be town more than he does. However there is still a townie position and Chaindeath thinks it's him.

In defending Don order.

Probably TH 1 since he survived a lunch then sloonei then Eli.

It's a toss up between sloonei, Epi and TH.

He thinks that he could be, but God is Chaindeath unsure.

Chaindeath is not sure who to vote for. If we vote so Epi and he ends up being a Don then the town loses, probably. But that seems to be the way it'll work for anyone at this point.

Sloonei wrote:What role does chaindeath think SVS had?

Originally chaindeath thought that S~V~S might be the Don, but that doesn't work because she was arrested at night. Then He thought that she might have been the Consigliere. He thinks the most important point is that she was a civ. He apologizes if that's a shitty answer.

Looking at the polls again, specifically day 10's end, he thinks hes pieced together the puzzle more.

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Assuming that the baddies knew that they wouldn't lynch Dom they all piled on. Three stand out as not civs. One who is not alive anymore, one who is a prisoner and perhaps not linked to their win con, one who is pretty well confirmed town possibly a Don or some role similar and one who is most likely a Don. Excluding Epi the cops would have a pretty easy time seeing who the next NK should be. He thinks....

Nero, no hate from chaindeath, as far as his style is concerned. In the games he's played people are often suspicious or poke at the third person thing, comes with the territory.

Chaindeath looked at Nero's and Epignosis's posts from the past day, specifically the ones that had something to do with Dom and S~V~S. After looking at this, where the votes lie in the past polls, and the front page of who's dead and alive chaindeath thinks he knows who and what some people are. Probably. For him to hopefully flush this out he needs to know a few more pieces of information.

Epignosis, what are your thoughts on chaindeath as the game stands?

Nero, chaindeath knows for a fact that his is genuine because he is town. He knows his role and knows it to be one of the town and the families. You on the other hand he does not know for sure what your role is. Dom tried to have chaindeath lynched and you seem to be doing the same kind of thing, albeit you started yours sooner.

Also, chaindeath thinks there are only three cops left. The player list is likely as follows:

Town
Sock Don
Daisy Don
Sock crew
chaindeath
Prisoner

Cops
Chief
warden
Beat cop

Sloonie, chaindeath doesn't think that Nero could be presenting this case as a townie genuinely.

Sloonei wrote:Okay Nero, the thing I didn't like about your chaindeath vote and the way you brought up the Prisoner's exercise in framing it was that you seemed to have your mind made up on where your vote was going to go before any of this got started, but you still gave the appearance of doing your homework before placing it on chaindeath.
Nerolunar wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Doing this again, but this time I will make no comments about what I think is likely or unlikely. You guys tell me.

Supposing the innocence of Sloonei and Turnip Head...

chaindeath

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If chaindeath and Elohcin are town, cops are:
EPIGNOSIS
NEROLUNAR
SONEJI

If chaindeath and Epignosis are town, cops are:
ELOHCIN
NEROLUNAR
SONEJI

If chaindeath and Nerolunar are town, cops are:
ELOHCIN
EPIGNOSIS
SONEJI

If chaindeath and Soneji are town, cops are:
ELOHCIN
EPIGNOSIS
NEROLUNAR
Elohcin

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If Elohcin and chaindeath are town, cops are:
Epignosis
Nerolunar
Soneji

If Elohcin and Epignosis are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Nerolunar
Soneji

If Elohcin and Nerolunar are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Epignosis
Soneji

If Elohcin and Soneji are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Epignosis
Nerolunar
Epignosis

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If Epignosis and chaindeath are town, cops are:
Elohcin
Nerolunar
Soneji

If Epignosis and Elohcin are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Nerolunar
Soneji

If Epignosis and Nerolunar are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Elohcin
Soneji

If Epignosis and Soneji are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Epignosis
Nerolunar
Nerolunar

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If Nerolunar and chaindeath are town, cops are:
Elohcin
Epignosis
Soneji

If Nerolunar and Elohcin are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Epignosis
Soneji

If Nerolunar and Epignosis are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Elohcin
Soneji

If Nerolunar and Soneji are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Elohcin
Epignosis
Soneji

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If Soneji and chaindeath are town, cops are:
Elohcin
Epignosis
Nerolunar

If Soneji and Elohcin are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Epignosis
Nerolunar

If Soneji and Epignosis are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Elohcin
Nerolunar

If Soneji and Nerolunar are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Elohcin
Epignosis
Okay its the same.

Are anyone ready for a Chaindeath lynch now?
What I really want to ask if why did you feel the need to reference this post before putting your vote on chaindeath? It's not like you were coming up with a new suspicion. No new information is being brought to light by you doing this, but you did it anyway. You've been suspicious of chaindeath all game, and you're voting for him right now despite the apparent support in the poll for Epignosis, who is also on your suspect list. Why chaindeath and not Epignosis, and why did you need to reference the prisoner's post?

Nero tried this with Scotties post, also.

It is genuine. He makes the same mistakes I did in my first game, which is writing down reads based on hollow reasoning and then forgetting them, making new reads as he goes along. Its just like seeing myself in fx Arkham, where my teammates were DFaraday and Floyd btw. I understand that the OMGUS is a trait of new players and that its not entirely alignment indicative but put that on-top of everything else and it does not look good in my opinion. If you need quotes for this go look at the case Scotty made on Chaindeath a few days ago.

Im frustrated that he is still alive despite his messy play. I keep pushing because my scumread is so strong and nobody has been listening. In my eyes he has only made weak attempts at recovering his play, not putting in the effort to change my view of him.

Linki - Epi even though my vote history speaks differently Chaindeath has been a major scum read for me through this game. I am against wasting votes so my final votes have not been on Chaindeath that many times as there was no support for it.v

It seems to chaindeath that he almost needs to draw from other peoples good names in order to try and have me killed and in turn win the game for the cop team.

Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Epi
Dom
Eloh
chaindeath

That is what I think the scum team looks like. We've probably already lost, but whatever.
And a list like that is why.

Punch some holes in mine.

I can't even fathom you being good at this point. Dom is not a Don and I don't think he's a Stool Pigeon (unsubstantiated), so I think he was saved by some scum mechanic. That leaves Elohcin, chaindeath, Nerolunar, and Soneji. Soneji and Nerolunar strike me as more believable townies than Eloh and chaindeath.[/quote]

Why?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath is going to place his vote on Nerolunar. He feels that this post is fishy because although Nero says that we need to lynch people who arn't providing information in favor of our pursuit of the cops. Perhaps chaindeath is not the best person to call someone on this but it would seem that apart from saying outright that these people are cops Nero hasn't done much of what he is saying the baddies are doing. Thoughts?
I'm not quite sure I understand exactly what you mean here, chaindeath. This is not an accusation, just a friendly request for you to try to restate your point another way.

Chaindeath was trying to say that Nero hasn't built cases and it would seem that he has tended to use other peoples to achieve his end. (chaindeath thinks scottys case was the last one Nero referenced.)

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Hey chaindeath, who do you think the last four cops are?

Chaindeath thinks the cops are probably:
Nerolunar
Dom
Elochin
Soneji

Linki @ Soneji - 4. All votes must be cast in the poll to count. It is considered standard and good form to post at the time of your vote and indicate your vote with bold/underline. Your hosts would very much appreciate that you do this, so please do so, but it is not necessary for your vote to count.

Chaindeath was just trying to adhere to this, had he known it was going to cause such a fuss he wouldn't have. Cripe.

Nerolunar wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:I am never lynching any of these people on Day 10:

S~V~S
Sloonei
Turnip Head

That means there are 4 baddies here:

chaindeath
Dom
Elohcin
Epignosis
Nerolunar
Soneji

If you're a townie in that pile, then show yourself as brightly as you can. The game is still winnable, somehow, and if you get out of that pile then it's locked.
Aye aye captn.

I think the scum team looks like this:

Chaindeath
Elohcin
Epignosis
Last one is a coin toss between Soneji and Dom. I won´t be advocting to lynch either of these right now though.

I think we should be lynching the person who we think is scum but also if that person can provide us with information to help us continue our pursuit.

So, Epignosis

We should also be careful of bussing and new wagons popping up. There is probably going to be an attempted save at some point.

Chaindeath is going to place his vote on Nerolunar. He feels that this post is fishy because although Nero says that we need to lynch people who arn't providing information in favor of our pursuit of the cops. Perhaps chaindeath is not the best person to call someone on this but it would seem that apart from saying outright that these people are cops Nero hasn't done much of what he is saying the baddies are doing. Thoughts?

Chaindeath would also like to say he has a list of people who he thinks are not bad and at the moment would not vote for.

Chaindeath - He is town, also getting mod killed at this point in the game would suck for my fellow town mates.
Prisoner - He was released from prison so its highly unlikely that hes a cop. All of the outliers that were in prison post breakout have died, namely Fuzz, Tranq, and Golden.
S~V~S - She was linked to BR two(?) days ago and BR was taken down by the cops. Unless it was a very clever trick to associate closely with someone then take them out to build street cred, chaindeath thinks that S~V~S is town also.
Turnip Head - We tried this once and it didn't work. This leads chaindeath to think he is a don.

Le sigh. Chaindeath ends up on most everyones baddie list which is exactly what the cops want. You all lynch me and it leads to their victory, since we the town can't really afford to lynch any more townies.

He thinks that Scotty, Epignois, Nero, and Serge are mafia.

*prepares himself for the attacks since he said something and that is clearly unacceptable given the current state of the game.*

Prisoner 509378 wrote:While we wait around for the lynch to finalize:

Boomslang wrote:Not bad, just lazy. Voting for me is a waste of time.
Does this post give anyone any pause at all with regard to Boomslang? Do other doubts exist? Speak now or forever hold your peace.

Chaindeath doesn't see anything wrong with a Boomslang lynch.

That was thoroughly not useful...

Chaindeath thinks a TH lynch would be best since boom has been non-existent this game it would be easy to lynch boom tomorrow.

In regards to the sockface role, chaindeath thinks that it could be the real role. If he remembers correctly there was a night that not much happened in the way of nighttime arrests and perhaps that was the time the rainbow list was used. It seems like that would be more likely than both of the Dons being found in the same night.

Time for lunch!
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Quin wrote:Effectively immediately, I have an exam in 3 hours.

Thats not very immediate....

Also Scotty, at the moment chaindeath feels he could vote for a moose and everyone would say, "holy bat shit spiderguy did you see what chaindeath did?"

Linki: Chaindeath bids farewell to Serge and Draconus. He welcomes Dom and Elohcin

1.TH
2.Nero

Nerolunar wrote:Prisoner Im not sure I understand the question. I also slept and have been doing other things if you need more reasons. I have been checking in regularly but swiftly and didn´t find anything that I would like to comment on. Chaindeath seems to be our lynch for today and if not him then Boomslang,and Im fine with either.

This sort of, he wants to say, snap lynching was part of the reason he suspected Ika originally.

ika wrote:yawn can we lynch this now?

Quin wrote:
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Chaindeath did! He ment to when he posted his last post. balgh repeated words He still feels that Nero is the one to lynch, also he will try to be on when the EoD comes around, if there arnt 10+ pages to catch up on he should be able to be active. He's driving for the next two hours so he'd only have ~45 mins to catch up. See ya'll then.
At this point nero is the only person that chaindeath has created a read on that is backed up by something. It's not very much, but it was enough for me to feel good about chaindeath because we had a common enemy. Now it just feels like a weak argument.That's fair.

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Chaindeath would like to thank those who have created rainbow lists and he hopes you all will keep them updated. He feels that ones opinion on others will greatly help his opinion on you. That being said however, He would like to address those who have said they don't trust him or feel suspicious of him:

Why do you feel that way? What makes him seem like a baddie? How can he help show you that he is indeed a civi going for a civi win con?

He hopes it is not merely his post count. Yesterday (in game) he felt like he made a good amount of high content posts (quality over quantity with 300+ posts per day on average, or thereabouts). He even presented his first case in a mafia game with quotes and everything. Its frustrating to see people say He's a low poster when he truly is trying his best to contribute in meaningful ways.

He would like to conclude with his suspicions and his feelings on the game state at this point in time. TH and Scotty is sending some major baddie vibes. Nero still makes me uncomfortable and chaindeath would like to draw attention to him. Llama If he were to make a list you would likely be in the yellow-orange category and Zebra fall in there too.

Sig and quin.... He feels torn with you two. He would like to say you're both town but could not do so with a clear conscience. He is going to say you're town leaning baddie. Hopefuly he will be able to say otherwise by the end of this day phase.
I think he's starting to 'play' now. He's asking questions which I like. Not so much what he's asking, but the fact that he's asking them. TH, zebra, sig, llama and I become a suspicion for chaindeath but he's not saying anything to elaborate. That's a lot of people to suddenly suspect at once. chaindeath is probably the least credible person at this point in time.

Chaindeath doesn't know how he wants to vote... He needs to do it for the day but all of the people with votes on them feel like they could be town. He's going to stick with his guns and vote Nero because he is sure that he's bad.

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He was also questioned about who will be bad if Sig flips bad, he doesn't know. There are too many options for one person's death to tell for sure on any of them. Long post short of Sig flips bad he's bad if he flips good we as a whole messed up and need to do some looming at those who pushed the vote. It doesn't make them bad but more suspect he supposes.
He's responding to a question I asked him about the follow up to a sig lynch. He avoids the question. I do not like this. He thinks it would be a lot easier to find the other cops if a cop was lynched. He feels like the towns been fumbling from not having any other cops to help show alignment based on cross references from the two cop lynches that would show up.

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Nerolunar wrote:
There is a scumrole in the setup that can pose as another role when lynched.

Actually while we are on this topic, I mostly threw shade at Chaindeath at the time. My goal was not to defend LC, but I did notice Chaindeaths behavior. That was my first ping of him - he decided to vote for LC when the only thing LC had posted was his disagreement to the plan that everyone should be voted for, to trigger the traitors. Very weak reasoning from Chaindeath that he didn´t follow up on rubbed me the wrong way and still does.

Why do you hang onto this vote for LC? Chaindeath has said it before but he supposes it bares repeating: Day 1 was buisy for him. He was highly distracted and unable to do much speculation, which is most of what you can do day one. The story hasn't changed and he supposes you are not willing to accept it. He wonders if you would have as much suspicion for him if he had said he used and RNG for the vote.
For some reason, Nero is the only person chaindeath is interested in pursuing as a valid suspect. What happened to Silver, DDL, sig, me, llama, turnip, black rock, zebra? I honestly don't think he's telling the truth about who he does and doesn't suspect. He's never given anything concrete on anybody else. He's essentially just tunneling on Nerolunar.

Quin wrote:
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Nerolunar wrote:
@ Scotty A Sig lynch is fine, but Im not sure its that urgent anymore. This phase is already filled with discussion not orbiting Sig. I would much rather a confirmed scum to me, and that is Chaindeath. He reminds me of myself when I was scum in Arkham - the way my reads were all over the place and such.

Chaindeath isn't scum. If he were a baddie he would be acting quite differently, probably. The biggest kick in the teeth for him is probably not quoting and typing out half of what he was thinking, with the other half that would justify his rational kept in his brain rather than on the page. Shame on him. His crime family has sustained losses and while he would like to say that you've been involved in all of them it would seem that you are intent on killing me and having my family loose as a result. He is unsure on what else to say to convince you in particular but maybe when he gets to responding to the huge ISO on him you may find answers therein.
What's the term for this? 'If I was mafia I wouldn't...' He makes a claim that nero's tunnelling would make his family lose. Is this some don roleclaim? Nope. Chaindeath is a civ but not the Don.

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Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 640326 wrote:
I didn't think that far ahead I'm afraid.
How do you plan to use your time in this free thread?

What do you have to say to my lynch chain? Specifically where I mention you and golden. I haven't got a clue how to do hyperlinks, but it's the first post on page 99.

He is unsure of weather you are referring to your own lynch or your vote. He doesn't want to see you go if that's what you're asking but if it's about trying to lych Scotty then I don't think it would be a bad move, probably. He isn't particularly fond of this phrase from Scotty "
Oh man I want to lynch you. Teacher! Teacher! May I vote twice, like the Warden? I'll be a good boy, I swear!"

If this isn't what you're looking for Quin let him know.
So apparently he doesn't scum read me anymore. I mean, that's great and all, but he's shown no reason as to why. Activity for activities sake? It really just feels like he's making up his reads as he goes along. I don't like it. TBF You're not wrong, he doesn't have a log or flowchart of who is who and so on. He keeps everything in his head, seemingly to his detriment.

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Matt 2.0
What? Chaindeath wishes he could give you an answer for this. He did an ISO of chaindeath's posts jumped to that vote and read around it. He doesn't have an explanation (He knows... If you all had a dollar for every time he said that you'd be rich (especially if you included quotes)). Sorry

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Can someone hook up chaidneath with a tldr of the day so far? He has classwork to do and not enough time to read through 400+ posts from the time he was away. To the direct accusations at him he would like to say if you lynch him you lynch a townie. There is no way to make this clearer that he knows of. He is going to vote Nero because he still thinks he's bad. All aboard the train hes going into a tunnel (or has been in one for a while).
Now he's falling back into the old habit of not posting anything worthwhile. There's no meat to his posts. Not even enough to tempt a dog.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
chaindeath wrote:Yes. Chaindeath put his vote on Ika then to nero then to Ika. He did this until he was caught up since he still holds Nero as a baddie, but changed it to Ika to break the tie. At the time he felt a tiebreaker would be worse than his vote being the only one on someone.
Why did you elect to vote for ika instead of Boomslang?

To be completely honest chaindeath didn't have a read on Boomslang because he has five posts and chaindeath is surprised that Boom is even in the game, eg. hasn't been modkilled. Enrique was only around until night two so most of his posts seem to still have a trying to pin a read feel to them. (He's going to get shit for saying the word feel he just knows it.

) If Boom is a civ it would make sense for the cops to leave him alone since he isn't trying to get them lynched. If he's a cop he was laying so low he could beat a corpse at a lying contest. Boom seems 50/50

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I don't think we're divided. At least not in a messy, bad kind of way. We've got a core group of suspects that we're deciding between. These votes will start coming together soon enough.
Yep. We'll consolidate our votes y'all, it's not a concern. We don't have to all just pile on one person right away and then wait around for the day phase to end, that would be a huge waste of time. Before we come together we have the opportunity to explore our cases and reads and that's what we're doing.

chaindeath get in here FFS.

Brov, chaineath is not sure what time schedule you're on but he has class on Wed. and there are quite a few hours until the day ends.

linki: He's working on it

Quin wrote:Voted chaindeath pending his answer the 509's question and what 509 has to say about it.

Chaindeath wonders why Quin puts so much trust into 509.

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Epignosis wrote:
sig wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Those 7 points were actually 3 points. I took Silverwolf's "100% sure" remarks to be in response to the thread imploring her to make that claim for the sake of sig's reaction. I don't think her read on ika is infallible, and I am able to believe a scenario where ika was what his role flip says he was.

What makes you say the stool pigeon is a role the seemer would choose?
One of the few without BTSC.
I would pick hitman and draw out a hitman. A civilian who can kill is a dangerous civilian. Flip as a hitman, and wait for somebody to contest it, and then arrest. That's what I would do.
Contesting would be against the rules though wouldn't it?
Also as off right know the hitmen have done more damage to the civs then the mafia. So while I see your point and it could be true, I don't think getting to deep into who the seemer might have flipped as should be done. I will stand by my claim that Ika is the seemer though.

So Chain switched off of Ika to back onto Ika right?

Yes. Chaindeath put his vote on Ika then to nero then to Ika. He did this until he was caught up since he still holds Nero as a baddie, but changed it to Ika to break the tie. At the time he felt a tiebreaker would be worse than his vote being the only one on someone.

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Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Seems like we're divided today.
What changed from yesterday? Boom was on the chopping block, he seemed like the one that garnered the votes from the civ core. The only info we got was that silver may or may not have info.

I mean if the group ends up favoring another by tomorrow (end of phase) I'll vote there, but I'm just awfully curious why we don't just effing lynch something together for once.

Question for anyone: who can NOT get behind a Boom vote with conviction?
Are you asking me what changed? I don't know.

I think chaindeath made a clumsy move. That's why he has my vote.

Which clumsy move was that? Could it be the frustrated: you can kill chaindeath and have him flip civ? If so keep your vote on chaindeath

. when he is shown to be a civilian he hopes the crowds will come together to kill his accusers, and hopefully they will be cops and no other friendly criminals from his family.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Question for chaindeath:

chaindeath wrote:He has switched his vote to Ika to kill the tie. He doesn't understand how he's bad but if the town wishes it this civ will turn himself in and let the cops roll through another night phase.
Many people thought this post looked terrible. I understand why. I have one thing I need cleared up though. I'll explain why I care after you've answered.

I've highlighted, bolded, italicized, and underlined one of the "he" pronouns you used in this post. Who were you talking about in this exact sentence with this exact pronoun?

Nobody else answer this for him.

Excuse chaindeath's misstep. "he's" here is referring to chaindeath. He could see Ika being bad at the time from SW's distrust and the weird way Ika defended SW before SW could even post a defense for herself.

Chaindeath is catching up now, he'll respond to things like this in line, so excuse the multiple posts if they end up happening.

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thellama73 wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Let's lynch chaindeath tomorrow. I think everyone agrees with that one, yes?
I don't. I thought the almost-lynch of Chaindeath early in the game was a clear case of scapegoating.
What about Epi? We lynched two of the three major people for day 2. All three people who voted for him were civs.

I'd rather lynch Bloom or nero, not really seeing the chaindeath thing.

Mr. 509, chaindeath would like to disagree with you since he is, in fact part of everyone. He would not be a good lynch since it would only trouble his family more. He is a civi.

Nero and chaindeath, he would like to point out, are not friendmates in the slightest. They have been trying to get the town to lynch one another for a large part of the game. If chaindeath had teammates he would avoid them like the plague.

He has switched his vote to Ika to kill the tie. He doesn't understand how he's bad but if the town wishes it this civ will turn himself in and let the cops roll through another night phase.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:If Boom is bad then so is chaindeath. That was transparent.

Be wary of shenanigans with votes up for grabs. The ika wagon looks like a mess to me and I feel better about not touching it.

What?... Wait chaindeath is missing something here right? What? How the hell is boom linked to chaindeath?

Can someone hook up chaidneath with a tldr of the day so far? He has classwork to do and not enough time to read through 400+ posts from the time he was away. To the direct accusations at him he would like to say if you lynch him you lynch a townie. There is no way to make this clearer that he knows of. He is going to vote Nero because he still thinks he's bad. All aboard the train hes going into a tunnel (or has been in one for a while).

He voted 509 completely uninformed but he needs to get to sleep. Enjoy your freedom potentially!

Chaindeath is on page 121 at the moment. Hes going to read the EoD and see what the parole thing is. He wont be able to be on Sat or Sun because he will be at drill. He hopes to catch up on Monday but it will depend on how hard school decides to slam him on Monday.

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