The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:MM, I'm still eager to hear your case. Even if you don't think it's worth it.
We must have waited all our lives for this
Moment

The entire game is about turning nothing into something. Thats how you find baddies.

Transparent ,in mafia. Give me a break

SVS that's what I said....You went after Zomba, When Golden decided she was a civvie you backed off hard.

I said it that night I thought it was not cool to back off.

rabbit8 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Changing ones mind does not make one bad.
I don't like your reasoning for changing your mind.......

This makes me think you knew Zomba was on the hot seat so why not get her lynched. When you saw Golden turning the tide you backed off Zomba.

rabbit8 wrote:This is a post by Golden in response to Zomba.

Golden wrote:I'm actually feeling fairly good about both you and lizkeen now.

This is SVSs next post.

S~V~S wrote:
Zombarella wrote:I am going to vote for A Person right now. I don't want to lynch another active civ player, I'm going to go for someone who the baddies won't NK - either because he/she is one of them or because he/she is not playing and isn't a threat to them.

*votes A Person*
Low posters?

Do you have any actual suspicions? When you came in last night you tried pushing a suspicion of me, and it didn't take; do you suspect anyone?

I trust Golden's judgment; had I listened to him earlier, I would have backed off of BF. I am going to reread this AM and consider whether to listen to him now.

Who has their facts straight, now?

In case you did not get my sarcasm. I am admitting I messed up that.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:OK. I don't really care about you as a baddie target. All the civvies and Celestials are targets. It should be easier for the BTSC team to find baddies.
But you don't seem to care whether Golden was in the BTSC group or not or for who he wanted to lynch.

I'm trying to point out that perhaps he was onto something.

I don't want to focus on Golden for a reason. But you can if you wish.

This is a post by Golden in response to Zomba.

Golden wrote:I'm actually feeling fairly good about both you and lizkeen now.

This is SVSs next post.

S~V~S wrote:
Zombarella wrote:I am going to vote for A Person right now. I don't want to lynch another active civ player, I'm going to go for someone who the baddies won't NK - either because he/she is one of them or because he/she is not playing and isn't a threat to them.

*votes A Person*
Low posters?

Do you have any actual suspicions? When you came in last night you tried pushing a suspicion of me, and it didn't take; do you suspect anyone?

I trust Golden's judgment; had I listened to him earlier, I would have backed off of BF. I am going to reread this AM and consider whether to listen to him now.

Who has their facts straight, now?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:But I don't see myself talking myself into lynching someone who can't defend, snarky as i think that defense might wind up being.
For the record, you voted for Hawkeye (Lizzy) in X-Men even though he specifically said that he would be gone for the day, and thus unable to defend himself.

She lies a lot.

S~V~S wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:Yes, you did try to save Zomba after you went after and got Golden to believe she was a civve then you changed your mind, convenient.

Because the Celestials have BTSC and are team who would obviously try to help the civvies in this game, why are you playing dumb?
Go back and reread, dear. Golden got me to thin she was a civvie.

Get your facts straight before you say these things

And I am not playing dumb~ but helping the civvies =/=being the civvies. The baddies have to outnumber the civs & Celestials. lots more civs than Celestials, and the baddies know everyone not them. So I am not the one playing dumb.

Please.

And you know the baddies want to kill the BTSC team. Why are you playing dumb.

OK. I don't really care about you as a baddie target. All the civvies and Celestials are targets. It should be easier for the BTSC team to find baddies.

Yes, you did try to save Zomba after you went after and got Golden to believe she was a civve then you changed your mind, convenient.

Because the Celestials have BTSC and are team who would obviously try to help the civvies in this game, why are you playing dumb?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Rabbit, real quick, what do you think of Golden? Civvie or Celestial?

I don't care. He was not a baddie.
What if I pointed out that Golden did not interact with TH at all this game? Not once. And he only mentioned him once in passing on Day 1.

Then what if I pointed out that Golden did want to lynch Epignosis on Day 1, and carried suspicion of him up until his death?

You suggested to me earlier that TH and Epignosis might be Celestial buddies. I think not.

Well if you want to give the baddies a NK target, be my guest. But I did not. NKing a team of 5 is what they want.

S~V~S wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:I think you have an agenda in discrediting LCs info.
That's what you say
Does it really happen to you?
Does that explain
This is the season for this display?

If you had even tried to explain yourself once this game I might really consider thinking different from how I am now. But you haven't. You have not made one effort to explain what you think.
Not a lot is missing
Every ounce of treasure found
And I believe that everyone should get what
They're allowed
Suspected of belief that comes suspended
In a sound
And everybody wants some

I think you and SVS are on a team.
Absolutely not. Like I said, vote away. I won't be voting for him, but i am not trying to talk you or anyone else out of it.

linki~ ha ha ha ha

Yes, like you tried to talk everyone out of a Zomba lynch.

Epignosis wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:I think you have an agenda in discrediting LCs info.
That's what you say
Does it really happen to you?
Does that explain
This is the season for this display?

If you had even tried to explain yourself once this game I might really consider thinking different from how I am now. But you haven't. You have not made one effort to explain what you think.
Not a lot is missing
Every ounce of treasure found
And I believe that everyone should get what
They're allowed
Suspected of belief that comes suspended
In a sound
And everybody wants some

I think you and SVS are on a team.

S~V~S wrote:Well, you should care. that may give you a read on other people.

No, it's a distraction. There is no reason to care.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Rabbit, real quick, what do you think of Golden? Civvie or Celestial?

I don't care. He was not a baddie.

Epignosis wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:I think you have an agenda in discrediting LCs info.
That's what you say
Does it really happen to you?
Does that explain
This is the season for this display?

If you had even tried to explain yourself once this game I might really consider thinking different from how I am now. But you haven't. You have not made one effort to explain what you think.

S~V~S wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:So me one time 1 time before this we have argued about LC this game. I dare you.
Look at the post right above this one that you made

i did not say all game. that was the first time I mentioned LC. Never said the whole game.

I saw it. Like I said, something that is not a continuation of todays argument. Thanks.

S~V~S wrote:Linki, I just did ha ha

You showed that today I have been getting baddie vibes from you who.

rabbit8 wrote:So me one time 1 time before this we have argued about LC this game. I dare you.

Yes, this morning, the same day. Stop making it like I have been defending LC all game. Absurd.

I think you have an agenda in discrediting LCs info.

So me one time 1 time before this we have argued about LC this game. I dare you.

S~V~S wrote:How come every time I wonder about LCs motivations, i wind up debating rabbit?

Also our only arguments all game has been over BF and Zomba, not LC. Please don't make things up.

Epignosis wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:I know LC has been on Epi for a while now. I think he might be more careful then BF was in making a rash decision. I think you blowing off like that is interesting.

I do plan to vote for Epi.
Think it over; time will heal your fear. Think it over.

Maybe. I never rush my vote.

S~V~S wrote:How come every time I wonder about LCs motivations, i wind up debating rabbit?

Maybe I'm defending him?

S~V~S wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I am not blowing him off. I am not sure I trust him, either. His weird little stab in THs direction before was, well, weird. I base my votes on my own thoughts, although if someone posts things I agree with I will follow their case. If they don't, well, then i won't.
You did basically dismiss it and blow it off. It was weird.
TH is a civvie?
No I didn't~ but i don't have any reason to trust him either. And I don't think TH is a baddie. Just the way LC did not even recall that is was his own thoughts that led people to possibly believe DP could have been a Celestial, not BRs killer. It was odd.

No one has brought up LCs info in a while. You bring it up then dismiss it casually in the same paragraph. This is weird.

I'm not sold on TH being a civvie. I think he has BTSC. I don't know if that is good or bad.

S~V~S wrote:I am not blowing him off. I am not sure I trust him, either. His weird little stab in THs direction before was, well, weird. I base my votes on my own thoughts, although if someone posts things I agree with I will follow their case. If they don't, well, then i won't.

You did basically dismiss it and blow it off. It was weird.
TH is a civvie?

I know LC has been on Epi for a while now. I think he might be more careful then BF was in making a rash decision. I think you blowing off like that is interesting.

I do plan to vote for Epi.

S~V~S wrote:Just feels. Doms opinions, suspicions and thoughts have seemed less civ to me than Epis, anf the fact that Dom has *felt* like a low poster, but makes lots of posts I don't even remember (when I love reading Doms posts)... I dunno. Feels. And maybe I am trying to convince myself, especially re the buddying; sometimes I start a post with one position, but I end it with another. I talk myself in and out of things all the time. But I don't see myself talking myself into lynching someone who can't defend, snarky as i think that defense might wind up being.

LC has been single minded about Epi. He acts like a person with info. Even Epi said he sounded like he had info. The fact that he said that makes me think if there is info, it is info open to interpretation.

What is your opinion on Liz?

Lini, no, lol, not to make you look bad. Make your votes fit with your posts, which they don't. You say one thing, and vote another. I want to try to see where you are coming from with those votes.

Why no votes for Vomps? Not just that one day; any day.

You really think the info LC has is open to interpretation?

Long Con wrote:It should probably come as no surprise that I'm *voting Epig*.

I like the strong conviction.

Turnip Head wrote:what's a ringer

Just a joke on you being nominated to represent!!!

Ringer used as slang here, like Pool Shark etc....

^^Watch out this guys a ringer.....

S~V~S wrote:Well, the reason DP had the charm would be clear IMO based on a theory YOU proposed about why someone would steal that object from BR night one.

I happen to think that theory makes sense. And Golden was already dead iirc by then.

You think DP is a civvie or indy?

S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Dom wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think we should lynch Epignosis today, regardless of curses. I actually feel a bit better about Dom after DP was NK'd. This will require some rereading though.

We now have three confirmed civs who want(ed) Epignosis lynched: blindfaeth, MM 1.0, and the poet.
MM does someone being a confirmed civvie make them know what he baddies are?

I'm not sure where I stand on Epi, but I am not sure that argument holds.
Yes it does actually.
No it really doesn't.

In your opinion.

RIP DP.

Canucklehead wrote:
Dom wrote:But thank you to Canuck for being hilarious.
I hope it was hilarious, and not jerky....that's what I was aiming for, but sometimes I worry that I've been contaminated by all the pompous and humourless asses that populate my department/institution/profession and have lost my ability to tell the difference between "funny" and "dickish". Please feel free to tell me when I get it wrong. I emphatically do NOT want to become one of the annoying pendantic dipshits who roam the halls here and exemplify all the worst qualities of academia (and humanity in general)....

Dick jokes are funny though......

fingersplints wrote:You guys must hate my posts. I misuse all the words!

My bad, traffic was a bitch. I would have voted Sophie, rip

Sophie wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Who are you gonna vote today rabbit?

I'm leaning Sophie right now. It's much better than the DP case. I also want to look more at Dom. I think TH brings up a some very good points.
Dont vote for me

I'm convinced.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Who are you gonna vote today rabbit?

I'm leaning Sophie right now. It's much better than the DP case. I also want to look more at Dom. I think TH brings up a some very good points.

I'm smarter than your average hare...

Well, I feel much better. I was really wanting to see what Canuck would say about the two of you and my thoughts on her. She just skipped it though.

fingersplints wrote:Sorry thanks rabbit I get it now.

I wanted to bust your chops some more. Thanks for nothing.

fingersplints wrote:
Sophie wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
Sophie wrote:
LizKeen wrote:I hope you Sophie voters are right. My thing about DP is like I said earlier, unless that charm got stolen from BR before she was killed then it ended up in beasts hands. And if someone stole it from her they should know who the beast of Bremen is and I don't think I've seen anyone trying to impart that knowledge. I can see why someone would take my ear tubes and maybe a rare book but why an elephant charm?
They arent
They aren't what?
They arent right. Its pretty hard to erase part of a quote with my phone
I still don't get what you mean by "they aren't right" Who isn't right and what aren't they right about?

Reading Liz's post might help you figure this out. I will underline the important part for you. Comprehending your reading while making a case on someone usually helps.

I think you might be onto something here though.

fingersplints wrote:
Sophie wrote:
LizKeen wrote:I hope you Sophie voters are right. My thing about DP is like I said earlier, unless that charm got stolen from BR before she was killed then it ended up in beasts hands. And if someone stole it from her they should know who the beast of Bremen is and I don't think I've seen anyone trying to impart that knowledge. I can see why someone would take my ear tubes and maybe a rare book but why an elephant charm?
They arent
They aren't what?

right?

Turnip Head wrote:
Dom wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:[snipped]
I just thought it was interesting.
How?
That wasn't the reason for my early vote-- you are conflating two unrelated topics. That's a reason why my vote isn't suspicious, not why I voted early.
You know the difference.
But you didn't give a reason for voting when you voted for Zomba. When you voted for DP last night, you said you might have a busy day the next day and you wanted to make sure you voted. When you voted for Zomba early, you just said "I voted". And then after someone called you out on the possibility of you voting a teammate first, you responded with:
Dom wrote:Also-- starting the vote on someone on your own team that early in the day?
Your Day 3 early vote lacked a complimentary RL explanation for its earliness, but that's okay, you didn't need it because Zomba was going to flip bad, and you could say afterwards that you wouldn't have started the voting on a teammate that early in the lynch. This all leads me to believe that your early vote for Zomba was a calculated move, drawn up to arrive at this exact defensive strategy.

Now you are going after DP for voting Vomps late; you are harping on the importance of vote timing, but you won't acknowledge that Zomba's teammates might have thrown her under the bus yesterday. You think it's more likely that they tried to save her, that DP specifically tried to save her. I've pointed out that Zomba didn't even vote to save herself. Why would DP put his neck on the line to try and save her, when he didn't even place the tying vote? Epi later came in and tied the vote - I don't see you going after Epi at all Dom - and it STILL wasn't enough to save Zomba.

If Zomba didn't vote to save herself, judging by her behavior yesterday, I think there's a good chance that her teammates gave up on her early. Which brings me right back to Dom's vote for Zomba.

fingersplints wrote:
LizKeen wrote: I was giving Sophie some time becuase she had a lot to catch up. But she's had plenty of time now. She suspects DP and Epi as do I so I'm not finding her all that suspicious yet. I do find fs defending DP and calling out Sophie interesting though.

Someone else has replaced in since Sophie has been killed and have already caught up. She isn't catching up. She is bad and using that as an excuse to not have to post.

I think you might be right.

Well done.

Long Con wrote:Doubtful about it all
It is said that terror lives behind the wall of privacy
Always knew that one day, they'd try to bring me down
I'd rather argue with you than to be with someone else
My face turned to stone when I heard the news
Real bad news
My face turned to stone when I heard the news
Hey, I'm good

This I agree with. I'm trying to figure out which one.

fingersplints wrote:APerson is easy to lie low as a baddie because he doesn't post enough to give anyone an idea either way usually. MP had a similar outburst like he just did in RR. I think it's unlikely he would pull that twice in a row, but I didn't have either of them down as a civvie so I have my eye on both you and bass as I said. I also said I doubted I would be voting either of you.
People don't regularly change places, so that whole situation is weird to me. I wouldn't say either of you are high up on my suspicion list, but I don't have strong civvie vibes yet either

Linki rabbit is every person making a case? I haven't seen you laying down massive cases either. mafia is people reacting to one another

I never said make a massive case. Reading what I write would be nice.

Speaking of you suspicion list, what is it? You never actually accuse anyone but low posters, well done. Anyone can do that.

Canucklehead wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I forgot to say I'm also eyeing MM and bass because I'm a little confused about that situation. I doubt I would vote either.

My strongest suspect atm is Sophie. A civvie Sophie is generally much more vocal than this. also, I am a little suspicious of how she has twice now asked dfaraday for his opinion. just his. She claimed it was from knowing him from RM but there are several others she knows better or as well that she hasn't interacted with at all.

Linki alright rabbit I'm pretty sure you know I am not bad

How would I know that you have really not done much all game but agree or disagree with people.

OK, Canucklehead.
Is there something else to do in mafia other than agree or disagree with people? what exactly would you like fs to be doing that she is not already?
Do you think fs and I are both Zomba's teammates? Who else do you think is on our team?

I don't know? Who else is on your team? You actively bring things up that's what else you can do. The reaction game is a baddie hiding tactic. Make a case, do something. Not just a few two liners here or there.

fingersplints wrote:I forgot to say I'm also eyeing MM and bass because I'm a little confused about that situation. I doubt I would vote either.

My strongest suspect atm is Sophie. A civvie Sophie is generally much more vocal than this. also, I am a little suspicious of how she has twice now asked dfaraday for his opinion. just his. She claimed it was from knowing him from RM but there are several others she knows better or as well that she hasn't interacted with at all.

Linki alright rabbit I'm pretty sure you know I am not bad

How would I know that you have really not done much all game but agree or disagree with people.

OK, Canucklehead.

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