The Syndicate

Also, this night poll should have happened around Day 3. Not around Day 30.

INH'S SHITLIST:

Primes
Prime Allies
Kyle

Kyle is pretty cool.

He should vote against Speedchuck, because lynching Sprityo would be a totes lame thing to do.

Don't be lame, Kyle.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:24 am I agree. Let's lynch this man who would tell us what to do. *votes sprityo*

No, we're lynching you tomorrow.

it wouldn't surprise me if LC had an LMS type role

The suspense is killing me.

And by "the suspense," I mean "the primes."

The primes are killing me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:39 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:11 pm*snip snip*

You cannot die unless all other players in the game have died once since your role was activated.

I believe this is still accurate.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:45 pm Ah so we only need Daisy dead if this is correct and we can go for speed?

:: eyeball twitches ::

This is a big part of why I was pushing for Daisy to go, and I reposted that damn Rico graphic multiple times, but sure. Let's get out Daisy now.

what if you just didn't post?

would that be too much to ask?

Foiled again.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:22 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:19 pm if there was an option to defect to the primes, i'd take it. this is the most aggravating fucking annoying fucking game i've played since Mad Max, another G-Man concoction.

it's almost impossible to try and fucking motivate the non-primes to want to win the game, even when we all know who the fucking primes are, and the non-primes outnumber them.

instead, we get sidetracked by sig suggesting lynching inactives, or kyle shitting on any proposed candidates, despite NOT BEING WILLING TO ENTER INTO A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE VALIDITY AND MERITS OF THEIR ARGUMENTS.

then we have fuck-o's like Quin and Wilgy, who are so fucking apathetic at this point that the only way to motivate them to do anything proactive in any fucking way is to hide it in smarmy meme-y joke-y ironic bullshit.

aaaaand everyone doesn't really enter into the thread too often.

so, it's me, banging my head repeatedly against a brick wall, trying to get people to care about a game seemingly designed to not make them care about it.
Am I wrong or did I just lead a lynch? Seems pretty pathetic to me.

Okay.

So, you're not on the Prime team anymore. But you were. Yet you refuse to help the non-primes at all opportunities, even, as you said, leading a lynch, and providing a vote for the Primes to piggy back off of, against a non-prime. Yet, you seem to not be overtly helping the Primes, so calling you a Prime ally would be inaccurate.

From where I'm standing, your only purpose in the game is to just stand around saying pithy shit to people, while trolling them into thinking that you might start giving a shit, only to pull a Lucy and the football over and over again, because, I dunno, being smarmy and aloof makes you feel cool? Or makes you feel smarter than anyone else?

If that's the case, I might just go ahead and block you for the remainder of this game, because all you're doing is stressing me out and aggravating me for no tangible purpose.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:19 pm if there was an option to defect to the primes, i'd take it. this is the most aggravating fucking annoying fucking game i've played since Mad Max, another G-Man concoction.

it's almost impossible to try and fucking motivate the non-primes to want to win the game, even when we all know who the fucking primes are, and the non-primes outnumber them.

instead, we get sidetracked by sig suggesting lynching inactives, or kyle shitting on any proposed candidates, despite NOT BEING WILLING TO ENTER INTO A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE VALIDITY AND MERITS OF THEIR ARGUMENTS.

then we have fuck-o's like Quin and Wilgy, who are so fucking apathetic at this point that the only way to motivate them to do anything proactive in any fucking way is to hide it in smarmy meme-y joke-y ironic bullshit.

aaaaand everyone else doesn't really enter into the thread too often.

so, it's me, banging my head repeatedly against a brick wall, trying to get people to care about a game seemingly designed to not make them care about it.

forgot a word

if there was an option to defect to the primes, i'd take it. this is the most aggravating fucking annoying fucking game i've played since Mad Max, another G-Man concoction.

it's almost impossible to try and fucking motivate the non-primes to want to win the game, even when we all know who the fucking primes are, and the non-primes outnumber them.

instead, we get sidetracked by sig suggesting lynching inactives, or kyle shitting on any proposed candidates, despite NOT BEING WILLING TO ENTER INTO A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE VALIDITY AND MERITS OF THEIR ARGUMENTS.

then we have fuck-o's like Quin and Wilgy, who are so fucking apathetic at this point that the only way to motivate them to do anything proactive in any fucking way is to hide it in smarmy meme-y joke-y ironic bullshit.

aaaaand everyone doesn't really enter into the thread too often.

so, it's me, banging my head repeatedly against a brick wall, trying to get people to care about a game seemingly designed to not make them care about it.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:01 pm huh. interesting choice.

First of all: what the hell, dude?

Why did you continually shit on all of my suggestions for the lynch, and only suggest an alternative when it was too late, and we couldn't swing the votes?

Also, why the hell are you discriminating against certain prime allies?

Yes, I know Long Con and Spacedaisy aren't on the Prime team. I'm not an imbecile. But, because they're both in the game, they have the opportunity to steal their team's kill and use it against non-primes.

Because Daisy wasn't lynched today, another non-prime will die tonight, unless her kill is stolen.

By eliminating PRIME ALLIES on OTHER TEAMS, we decrease the amount of NIGHT KILLS directed at NON-PRIMES.

I will bold that, underline it, and make it as big as possible until people understand it.

Yes, I like Spacedaisy. She's an awesome person. I tried desperately to work with her, but she's too attached to the Primes. Because of that, she has to go. In order for people not on the Prime team to win, she needs to go.

I just don't see the difference between killing her later and killing her now, unlike some people apparently.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:31 pm But INH, you're one of those people she wants to help win.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]
[mention]sprityo[/mention]
[mention]Sloonei[/mention]
[mention]DrWilgy[/mention]
[mention]Quin[/mention]

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:08 pm Here's the rundown. I came to [Spacedaisy] hoping to start an anti-Prime alliance. [Spacedaisy] declined, but offered to help get me onto the Primes. I said "screw it," and died a bunch, but failed to get on that team.

It's Phase 2 now. Before, nothing was really permanent, and [Spacedaisy] could afford to dance around and remain sympathetic to both sides, but we're now all stuck on the teams we're stuck on. The only way for me to win is for the primes to lose and vice versa. If you're helping them, you're hurting me.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:44 pm It might be smarter for the non-Primers to pick off members of non-Prime teams that are loyal for whatever reason to the Primes, to limit the number of NK's they ultimately control.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:52 pm I was a prime before the button. That is no secret at this point. And I have requested to stay where I am rather than them working to get me back. I have said all along I don't know if their strategy will work, but I have made no bones about helping them. Even my behavior in the thread has been pretty obvious. I am not being recovered. I'm not a prime.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:36 am Most of the players in this game have coasted and not been active at all. Certain players have worked hard to find a strategy and I respect that. As someone who for the first 18 cycles did practically nothing, I believe other people deserve the win and I have made alliances with them. If you don't like my strategy then lynch me.

You know the day destroys the night
Night divides the day
Tried to run
Tried to hide

Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Break on through oh, oh yeah

Made the scene
Week to week
Day to day
Hour to hour
The gate is strait
Deep and wide

Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Break on through
Break on through
Break on through
Break on through
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:17 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:07 pm
I thought I'd do something nice for you.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:08 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:54 am
Rico has made it pretty clear he is not enjoying not himself since someone killed him.
In all honesty, I haven't been enjoying myself in this game ever since I got fucked over by the bomb twist and completely lost motivation to play for like ten days.

Additionally, he is out to specifically screw other players which is the opposite of my intention. And just because Rico has a lot of posts doesn't equate to playing damn hard. There are a lot of pointless posts in there and bitching posts recently.
You're helping the Primes beat the non-Primes. I'm a non-Prime. You're screwing me over. Any attempt to reject what I just said is an elaborate form of denial. I think standing against a massive alliance is as hard if not harder than forming one, and I think Rico's playing as hard as the people you claim to support due to their exceptional game-playing. Yes, Rico can be snotty and annoying about it, but LC and JOH have been snotty and annoying the whole damn game.

He literally was trying to coast to a win with his role. Which I don't fault him for, don't get me wrong.
You play the game you can with the role you're given. That role is a fucking dumb broken one because whoever has it can only coast. It's either coast or die, and there's no other avenues of gameplay for that person to go down. You using that as an excuse to vote for him is pretty lazy.

But there is nothing hypocritical in my vote for Rico. And you don't have to worry about me INH. I think I should have already proven to you that I feel like you are one of the people who are playing the game worth something.
Here's the rundown. I came to you hoping to start an anti-Prime alliance. You declined, but offered to help get me onto the Primes. I said "screw it," and died a bunch, but failed to get on that team.

It's Phase 2 now. Before, nothing was really permanent, and you could afford to dance around and remain sympathetic to both sides, but we're now all stuck on the teams we're stuck on. The only way for me to win is for the primes to lose and vice versa. If you're helping them, you're hurting me. If you truly want to see the people playing the hardest win, you need to stop devoting yourself to the people who formed a clear majority and are now lazily picking off anyone who stands in their way. To me, what the Primes are doing isn't "playing hard." To use a Survivor reference that only @Golden would understand if @Golden actually decided to play this game, they're Pagonging us.

I'll tell you this...
No eternal reward will forgive us now
For wasting the dawn

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:44 pm Elohcin fits both the requirements you've implied in your song lyrics.

And we're on our way
No we can't turn back, babe
Yeah, we're on our way
And we can't turn back

Because it's too late
Too late, too late
Too late, too late

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:32 pm I’m guessing the 7 people voting made are all either prime or prime sympathizers?

Cool and slow with deadly precision
With a back beat narrow and hard to master

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:03 pm Or we could convert the non primers primes by killing off their lords to whom they hold loyalties too.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:44 pm It might be smarter for the non-Primers to pick off members of non-Prime teams that are loyal for whatever reason to the Primes, to limit the number of NK's they ultimately control.

Listen to this, and I'll tell you 'bout the heartache
I'll tell you 'bout the heartache and the loss of God
I'll tell you 'bout the hopeless night
The meager food for souls forgot
I'll tell you 'bout the maiden with wrought iron soul
I'll tell you this
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:44 pm It might be smarter for the non-Primers to pick off members of non-Prime teams that are loyal for whatever reason to the Primes, to limit the number of NK's they ultimately control.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:44 pm I don't need ur judgemental photographs of shirtless rockstars.

I'll vote wherever is necessary, I'm just stating my preferences.

Tell me what you say.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:31 pm Also, I know this is counter to what I just said with the whole "we need to unite" thing but I'm actually more cool with a long con lynch than a Spacedaisy lynch.

SD is confirmed not on the actual prime team and also confirmed super radical.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:34 am @sprityo Are you a prime or nah? If your not a prime you need to join the other non prime alliance..

@Marmot You should vote for whoever INH votes for unless we do with the inactive route, but seeing how we're getting replacements and 3J game just ended I feel like our last inactive could be replaced soonish?

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:59 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:28 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:20 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:18 pm Also can we get back to lynching inactive so anybody that didn't vote this phase should be someone we lynch next phase. Mp, Marmot, or made are three who didn't vote so we can pick one and go from there
The eight people who voted for Rico, give or take a misguided @DrWilgy, are just going to continually vote for non-primes, both inactive and active.

If you want to, y'know, win the game, I'd focus on trying to get rid of them by any means necessary.
Okay but let's me honest the primes have more people in general instead of close lynched whi xh will be soooo boring we should help all the active players by trimming the fat. If they aren't active they won't submit a kill and it'll move on anyway. If there team is active and they aren't they'll still win there's no downside to lynching inactives. Would I prefer the primes? Meh honestly I'd rather lynch the 5s since one they killed me and 2 they aren't trying to win for themselves but for another team

So actually let's go with
Fatal 5
Inactive
Clusterfuck each other
How about no?

You think because the Primes have more people that we shouldn't lynch them? What? But then you propose that instead of voting for the massive voting block dominating the game, we should just direct them towards inactive members of the resistence instead of actually, y'know, fighting them?

Your hope, I'm rather optimistically guessing, is that instead of fighting the Primes over lynches every day, you intend to try and continually nightkill them, while directing the lynches towards inactive non-primes as opposed to active non-primes.

This is needlessly defensive when we have the capability to out number them on the lynches if people like @DrWilgy and @Quin would get their shit together. Admitting defeat every day and merely hoping to minimize the losses is cowardly when we simply don't have to.

Stand up and fight, @Kylemii and @sig. Don't do this inactive bullshit.

Everyone was hanging out
Hanging up and hanging down
Hanging in and holding fast
Hope our little world will last
Yeah, along came Mr. Goodtrips
Looking for a new a ship
Come on, people better climb on board
Come on, baby, now we're going home
Ship of fools, ship of fools

Come on baby, take a chance with us
Come on baby, take a chance with us
Come on baby, take a chance with us
And meet me at the back of the blue bus
Of the blue bus, on the blue bus, on the blue bus
Come on yeah

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:11 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:58 pm Hey guys

There are only 2 (I think) players left that have to die before I do. Just so you know.

You cannot die unless all other players in the game have died once since your role was activated.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:44 pm It might be smarter for the non-Primers to pick off members of non-Prime teams that are loyal for whatever reason to the Primes, to limit the number of NK's they ultimately control.

=

No one here gets out alive, now
You get yours, baby
I'll get mine
Gonna make it, baby
If we try

May take a week
And it may take longer
They got the guns
But we got the numbers
Gonna win, yeah
We're takin' over
Come on!
Yeah!

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:27 pm You honour Ricochet with your efforts.

The future's uncertain, and the end is always near.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:14 pm For someone who's so hell-bent on annihilating the primes, you're not doing a good job of trying to lynch actual primes, INH.

Show me the way to the next

Oh, don't ask why
Oh, don't ask why
Show me the way to the next

Oh, don't ask why
Oh, don't ask why
For if we don't find
The next

I tell you we must die
I tell you we must die
I tell you, I tell you
I tell you we must die

There's a killer on the road
His brain is squirmin' like a toad
Take a long holiday
Let your children play
If you give this man a ride
Sweet family will die
Killer on the road

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:05 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:34 am I'm sorry if I upset you INH... I saw a tie...

I like ties.

I still don't know what is going on this game tbh. I just knew deaths are permanent now. I see everyone crying Prime. What is a prime and why must they die? Are they the baddies?
Here's the skinny, good doctor. A bunch of people on the Prime team made a big alliance and are killing everyone else who stands in their way. Despite outnumbering them, and being aware of their malevolent intentions for like fifteen fucking days, the non-primes haven't actually begun fighting them.

The reasons for this inaction stem from two sources: one, G-Man doing a poor job of planning this game out, which resulted in a large chunk of players stopping giving a shit after like five days, and two, those that are paying attention being unable to collaborate and instead stubbornly sticking to harmful strategies. *COUGH* @sig @Kylemii *COUGH*

Of our elaborate plans, the end 
Of everything that stands, the end
 No safety or surprise, the end...

This is the end.

My only friend: the end.

Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3

The lack of shenanigans was the real shenanigan.

I blame sig.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:19 pm @Quin Why don't you just cast a vote for MP07? Do we really want to see a fun and positive factor removed from the game? Jack has played well and I personally enjoy the game more with him around.

That's a great reason for Quin or Sig to switch their votes.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:04 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:24 pm @Dom
@Made
@Marmot
@MovingPictures07
@Quin

If any of you show up and vote for JOH, you'll get a patented INH-simoleon that you can redeem for a tootsie roll or a rubber ball. Save enough of them, and you can trade in for a Microsoft Zune with tons of storage space!
I don't know, Made still seems awfully suspicious.

Please explain your viewpoint to me, Quin. Even if you don't, for whatever reason, see the Primes as threats, don't you at least want to see something interesting happen? Something that's a little unexpected?

[mention]Dom[/mention]
[mention]Made[/mention]
[mention]Marmot[/mention]
[mention]MovingPictures07[/mention]
[mention]Quin[/mention]

If any of you show up and vote for JOH, you'll get a patented INH-simoleon that you can redeem for a tootsie roll or a rubber ball. Save enough of them, and you can trade in for a Microsoft Zune with tons of storage space!

[mention]sig[/mention]
[mention]Kylemii[/mention]
[mention]Epignosis[/mention]
[mention]DrWilgy[/mention]

If you all voted for/changed your vote to JOH, we could get rid of him. Literally all we need to do to give the non-primes a fighting chance and give us a little bit of a lead before they butcher us during Night 26 is coordinate.

This'd be the first fucking interesting thing to happen in like fifteen fucking days. Please.

REMINDER

That [mention]colonialbob[/mention] is a backstabbing Prime that'll switch away at the last second, most likely to mislead folks like [mention]DrWilgy[/mention] who are tie enthusiasts. We really need three more votes on JOH. Or two, if [mention]sig[/mention] decides to do the smart thing and switch from MP.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:53 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:05 pmharmful strategies
I think that's up for debate.

No one's actually being harmed here, and the two most notably primes teams don't have kills for probably 2-4 days.

If a player doesn't vote or check the thread then they can't help any team win.

You keep dodging the central point of all of my arguments.

Right now, we have the numbers to potentially flip the script on the Primes. Why aren't you concentrating on doing that instead of messing around with inactives and playing directly into their hands? Did you read my response to sig's post?

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention], care to respond?

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:08 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:54 am
Rico has made it pretty clear he is not enjoying not himself since someone killed him.
In all honesty, I haven't been enjoying myself in this game ever since I got fucked over by the bomb twist and completely lost motivation to play for like ten days.

Additionally, he is out to specifically screw other players which is the opposite of my intention. And just because Rico has a lot of posts doesn't equate to playing damn hard. There are a lot of pointless posts in there and bitching posts recently.
You're helping the Primes beat the non-Primes. I'm a non-Prime. You're screwing me over. Any attempt to reject what I just said is an elaborate form of denial. I think standing against a massive alliance is as hard if not harder than forming one, and I think Rico's playing as hard as the people you claim to support due to their exceptional game-playing. Yes, Rico can be snotty and annoying about it, but LC and JOH have been snotty and annoying the whole damn game.

He literally was trying to coast to a win with his role. Which I don't fault him for, don't get me wrong.
You play the game you can with the role you're given. That role is a fucking dumb broken one because whoever has it can only coast. It's either coast or die, and there's no other avenues of gameplay for that person to go down. You using that as an excuse to vote for him is pretty lazy.

But there is nothing hypocritical in my vote for Rico. And you don't have to worry about me INH. I think I should have already proven to you that I feel like you are one of the people who are playing the game worth something.
Here's the rundown. I came to you hoping to start an anti-Prime alliance. You declined, but offered to help get me onto the Primes. I said "screw it," and died a bunch, but failed to get on that team.

It's Phase 2 now. Before, nothing was really permanent, and you could afford to dance around and remain sympathetic to both sides, but we're now all stuck on the teams we're stuck on. The only way for me to win is for the primes to lose and vice versa. If you're helping them, you're hurting me. If you truly want to see the people playing the hardest win, you need to stop devoting yourself to the people who formed a clear majority and are now lazily picking off anyone who stands in their way. To me, what the Primes are doing isn't "playing hard." To use a Survivor reference that only @Golden would understand if @Golden actually decided to play this game, they're Pagonging us.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:34 am I'm sorry if I upset you INH... I saw a tie...

I like ties.

I still don't know what is going on this game tbh. I just knew deaths are permanent now. I see everyone crying Prime. What is a prime and why must they die? Are they the baddies?

Here's the skinny, good doctor. A bunch of people on the Prime team made a big alliance and are killing everyone else who stands in their way. Despite outnumbering them, and being aware of their malevolent intentions for like fifteen fucking days, the non-primes haven't actually begun fighting them.

The reasons for this inaction stem from two sources: one, G-Man doing a poor job of planning this game out, which resulted in a large chunk of players stopping giving a shit after like five days, and two, those that are paying attention being unable to collaborate and instead stubbornly sticking to harmful strategies. *COUGH* [mention]sig[/mention] [mention]Kylemii[/mention] *COUGH*

The non-primes were, after much effort and angry posts, almost close to voting out a Prime until....well, you stumbled into the thread and ignorantly voted for Rico, making the game way more boring.

A good way to make up for this blunder is to vote for a Prime today! I suggest Jackofhearts.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:28 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:20 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:18 pm Also can we get back to lynching inactive so anybody that didn't vote this phase should be someone we lynch next phase. Mp, Marmot, or made are three who didn't vote so we can pick one and go from there
The eight people who voted for Rico, give or take a misguided @DrWilgy, are just going to continually vote for non-primes, both inactive and active.

If you want to, y'know, win the game, I'd focus on trying to get rid of them by any means necessary.
Okay but let's me honest the primes have more people in general instead of close lynched whi xh will be soooo boring we should help all the active players by trimming the fat. If they aren't active they won't submit a kill and it'll move on anyway. If there team is active and they aren't they'll still win there's no downside to lynching inactives. Would I prefer the primes? Meh honestly I'd rather lynch the 5s since one they killed me and 2 they aren't trying to win for themselves but for another team

So actually let's go with
Fatal 5
Inactive
Clusterfuck each other

How about no?

You think because the Primes have more people that we shouldn't lynch them? What? But then you propose that instead of voting for the massive voting block dominating the game, we should just direct them towards inactive members of the resistence instead of actually, y'know, fighting them?

Your hope, I'm rather optimistically guessing, is that instead of fighting the Primes over lynches every day, you intend to try and continually nightkill them, while directing the lynches towards inactive non-primes as opposed to active non-primes.

This is needlessly defensive when we have the capability to out number them on the lynches if people like [mention]DrWilgy[/mention] and [mention]Quin[/mention] would get their shit together. Admitting defeat every day and merely hoping to minimize the losses is cowardly when we simply don't have to.

Stand up and fight, [mention]Kylemii[/mention] and [mention]sig[/mention]. Don't do this inactive bullshit.

Trying to mount any serious opposition to the primes is like trying to herding cats. Except the cats are also somehow self-defeating.

*cough*MYFORMERTEAM*cough*

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