The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:In case it wasn't clear, if at any point I decide I can't win as mafia and there are two mafias, I play for the civilians.

That was clear.

So what exactly went on Night 8 that screwed us over so thoroughly?

Elohcin wrote:INH, you're so wrong.

Epi, do you think you may know my role yet?

What role do you think Epi is, and do you recognize any slight hinting at alignment that Epi may be partaking in?

Also do you see his posts as threatening towards me?

PLOT TWIST!

Epi is really the secret role of Simon Baker.

Epignosis wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Hey INH, why did you change your mind about me being Yin?
I changed my mind when I saw you claiming and hinting at being Yin.

My initial judgment of you being Yin was based on how you treated sig, who I suspected to be Yang after MM flipped Cop. After sig flipped civ, I basically threw all my old reads out the window.
What if you're wrong?

Then I'm wrong, and I'm willing to accept the consequences even if it results in, as you've been tirelessly hinting, my death at the end of the day.

Epignosis wrote:Hey INH, why did you change your mind about me being Yin?

I changed my mind when I saw you claiming and hinting at being Yin.

My initial judgment of you being Yin was based on how you treated sig, who I suspected to be Yang after MM flipped Cop. After sig flipped civ, I basically threw all my old reads out the window.

WELCOME TO DUAL SPIRES MAFIA

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Epignosis wrote:And who is that?

I dunno. Maybe me, maybe Elo, maybe Russ, maybe Lassie-I mean BDH.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if he tried to kill you?

Epignosis wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:Hmm. Lemme see.

Who is Yin killing?

Whoever BWT wants to kill.

Hmm. Lemme see.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
BigDamnHero wrote:I need everybody to respond (don't make a case, just assign the names):
Crooked cops are....?
Yin is...?
Crooked Cops: Epignosis and INH
Yin: Elochin
FTFY

Okie dokie, Mr. Yin.

Epi, I'm not about to change my vote for the world. I'm ride or die voting you all the way. If nobody wants to back me up, fine.

But I'm gonna stay right where I am no matter what.

Epignosis wrote:BigDamnHero:

Weigh my contributions and analysis with the input from Russ and INH. While you do, consider all of these points:

1. I believe I reasonably established that neither of them can be the independent (INH allowed that Russ could be a civilian, which means that if you are a civilian, both of them can't be.
How have you ruled out this possibility? You assume that because of what I said, that means neither of us could be independent? I don't understand your logic here. You brush past this massive assumption, and build your entire appeal around it.

2. This means at least one of the voters on me is bad.
Incorrect starting assumption.

3. That means you, a civilian, are voting alongside at least one mafia member.
Incorrect starting assumption, plus there are two baddie teams in this game anyway. I'd be shocked if Yin didn't try to join the bandwagon against Epi.

4. INH said I was either a confused civilian or Yin just two Days ago, and now, with no progression of thought, says I can't possibly be Yin. Yet he agrees with my analysis about the necessity of a Crooked Cop death today. Huh.
I thought that before you started claiming Yin. What, I'm not allowed to change my opinion of someone? I have to announce loudly in the thread: "LET THE RECORD STATE THAT I THOUGHT SO AND SO WAS A MEMBER OF THIS BADDIE TEAM IN THE PAST, BUT I KNOW THINK HE'S A MEMBER OF THE OTHER BADDIE TEAM!" Stop indicting me for phony reasons.

5. Given that one of Russ and INH almost certainly have to be bad, why aren't they tearing each other apart? They should be at each others' throats in a display of total carnage in order to expose the villain. Instead, they are holding hands and voting together against me. That is a red flag.
Incorrect starting assumption. Epi's really working hard to force BDH to accept his words as fact, isn't he?

6. They both named birdwithteeth11 as a bad guy. birdwithteeth11 has one vote already. He could be lynched. Neither of them are voting him. They are voting me. INH is pretending he thinks I have to be a Crooked Cop despite his opinion that vanished from two Days ago that vanished like a fart in the wind, and Russtifinko's ruse is, "Well gee, I don't want to cause a tie." Why is he afraid of a tie? There are two civilians remaining!
Elo siding with Epi so clearly, and calling him a civilian. seems much more suspicious than BWT's silence. C'mon, even Epi himself is aware of the fact that he's bad, just look at his last paragraph. Therefore, I think BWT = Yin. So I'm not about to vote for him.

I believe INH and Russ are the Crooked Cops, and they don't mind how grimy they look at this point because victory is one lynch from their grasp. I believe if you, Elohcin, and birdwithteeth11 all vote Russ, Russ and INH will have no choice but to move their votes to birdwithteeth11, whom they don't really believe is bad because they aren't voting there already. They are only voting me because you are, BDH. Don't let them hide behind you like that. Cause that tie and make them sweat. Make them afraid of you.
My vote's staying on Epignosis. I'm not changing it for anything. I promise in the name of whatever deity you're inclined towards that I will not vote for BWT today.

BDH, I don't mean to put this kind of pressure on you, and I realize you think I'm bad. I get that. But if this Day phase does not grab a Crooked Cop, then this website is going to have to live with the shame that the civilians lost to a mafia team that had three kills the entire time. And that's just sad.

Epi, you really shouldn't be so self-concious, it's unbecoming.

How'd we know you aren't a Crooked Cop, Epi? You keep saying that we need to protect Yin and lynch a cop, and yeah, I buy that logic, but how are we supposed to buy your Yin claims? Wouldn't the Crooked Cops be super hell bent on steering this lynch?

What makes you Yin and not a Cop, Epi?

And furthermore, while you're doing scenarios, why don't you run the ones where we lynch a civilian or the independent? Obviously, the Cops would want Yin out, but would just voting out anyone but themselves be as advantageous?

My theory is that you're a Cop, Epi. And you have no damn idea who Yin is. So you figure the best way to find him is to lure him out by claiming to be him. Your back-up plan consists of following your in-thread suspicions by lynching the easy targets of me and Russ. As long as they ain't you or your partner, you're golden.

@BDH, Elo, and BWT: Who is more likely to be bad, Epi or Russ? Please expound on your opinion.

In summary:

And here we are, Psych Mafia, where Epi continually lead lynches against civilian after civilian that I didn't agree with, and someone other than myself sees this damn pattern again.

It's insane how goddamn slippery Epignosis is. He's like a wet bar of soap covered in a mixture of lubricant and pig lard in zero gravity.

And you can't read his fuckin' posts and tell me that he isn't acting like a smug baddie here. He's acting the exact same as he did in The goddamned Office.

I don't buy for one second that he's Yin, because he's too goddamned smug to be the last member of a serial killer duo one lynch away from losing the entire thing.

If you all go along with him for another lynch, and Russ flips civ, at that point, I won't even be angry. I'll probably laugh my ass off at how thoroughly good he is at this damn game.

And how good he is at driving me up the wall.

I guess my judgment's a little off because The Office Mafia just finished. In The Office Mafia, for those folks who're playing at home, I was a civilian that Epi, a member of the mafia, continually hounded and hounded, while I tried to get him lynched to no avail. I got so damn frustrated and fed up with the entire state of things that I considered doing something similar to what MP just did in Rot3K.

He fucking got to me. And he's fucking getting to me again.

So just because an indie role can win with anyone, is that supposed to mean that it can't help a civilian win? That it can't try to pick a side? And you don't know what powers that independent role has, Epi. You don't know squat.

Epignosis wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Just had a thought that may be worth pointing out:

Crooked Cops, you guys are gonna want to try to get Mr. Yin lynched today. You get him, NK a civvie, and the game is over. If, on the other hand, you lynch a civvie today, you can't kill Yin tomorrow night, and barring manipulation or some crazy persuasion, the vote tomorrow is a tie. Then one of you might die at the end of the Day phase from Yin's kill, and he wins. Just seems like more of a sure thing for you if you get him today.
You left out that Yin is killing somebody today and can't be stopped.

Are you now just claiming Yin? Jeez. I think that you're the one getting desperate here, Epi.

Epignosis wrote:Russ and INH are Crooked Cops. I would wager money on it. INH suddenly believed Russ and believed me less. How convenient.

Me trusting Russ and me distrusting you weren't some gradual flip of the damn switch type BS. They were both gradual shifts in my stances as I saw and read more from more people. You keep pushing this idiotic idea that changing your opinion on someone even once automatically means total baddie scumbuddies. That's just some damn dangerous thinking, almost as dangerous as think that lynched civilians are no big deal-io.

Neither of them needed a reason to vote me out. "Care to explain this vote, Epi?" from INH is about what I expected. Russ is pretending to be open minded. He's not. He's pocketing BDH and refusing to vote his partner. That's plain as day.

Ever since about Day 5, we've both been railing against you nonstop in the thread. That's pretty much the only fucking connection we have: we both think you aren't good. I guess that equals baddie to Epi. Since I've already made my opinion on you and your alignment this game publicly known, even posting earlier that I would vote for you Day 8, I thought that more explanation wasn't warranted.

Nobody has express an interest in lynching birdwithteeth11 but me. Maybe bwt will get mad and vote for me too.

They are looking to finish this thing up.

Are you going to let them?

There are three votes left, and you three need to be unanimous. Vote Russtifinko and expose him for what he is. Make this an awesome comeback.

Remember: If you lynch anybody but a Crooked Cop today, and you aren't a Crooked Cop or the independent, you lose. Plain and simple.

I guess what this lynch comes down to is a simple question: Who's more likely to be a Crooked Cop? Epignosis or Russ? I'd have to go with the guy who's spent the entire game lynching civ after civ.

@BDH, Elo, and BWT: I think one of you is Epig's teammate, and I doubt it's BDH. Tell me the reason why you think Russ is more suspicious than Epig. Plain and simple.

or Elo and BWT could be switched, i could see either filling each slot.

BigDamnHero wrote:I need everybody to respond (don't make a case, just assign the names):
Crooked cops are....?
Yin is...?

Crooked Cops: Epignosis and BWT
Yin: Elochin

Epignosis wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:This lynch poll is BS by the way. I already voted because I doubt Epi will be able to change my mind on Russ' alignment.

I'd rather lynch someone I have little to no impression of (DFaraday) than the only other person who's calling Epi out on his shit.

And "ha ha" to Epi's latest round of smug condescension and his pissing contest with me and Russ.

insertnamehere wrote:Where the hell is Epi in all this? Did he decide to just go to the Winchester, have a pint, and wait for all this to blow over?

Or does he not care about the outcome because he knows DF being lynched will help him?

insertnamehere wrote:For what it's worth, I think there's a damn good chance that DF's civ. I'm not as sure of his alignment as I am of Russ' but I still really resent this situation for making us choose between these two.

That's why Epi's absence really grinds my gears. It's like he knows DF's going to flip civ, so he's biding his time so he can sail in Night 7 on a horse of "I told you so" style moral superiority, and an "if DF is civ, Russ must be bad" case.

He doesn't need to waste time attacking Russ because it's better for his game if DF's lynched this round. That way he can just waltz into another easy civ lynch Day 8.
Lynch this windbag. He puts the onus of persuasion on me, not himself, about Russ' alignment. What's the basis for that? They are teammates. Then he dials back about DF being a civilian. After that, he gets pissed at me (the guy he's accusing of lynching too many civilians) for not being around.

Firstly, you've been hardcore going after Russ for what seems like years, and I just said that you were unlikely to convince me with one of your trademark Epignosis Cases about his alignment. This was me saying that I didn't buy your case. But of course, Epig being the desperate baddie that he is, he had to twist my words around.

When did I ever call DF a baddie? All I ever said was that I had a better read on Russ than DF, not that I specifically saw DF as scum. Day 7 trapped everyone between a rock and a hard place, and I saw the whole thing being Civ Versus Civ as a possibility since the start. Although I wasn't sold on it until I read more of DF's posts.

After posting non-stop forever, you dial back big time in a way that mystifies even your SO!

Elohcin wrote:I don't know where Epi is. I mean, I know where he is physically, but I don't know why he hasn't graced us with his presence in the thread today and given any more input.

I thought this auspicious absence was worth noting.

Epignosis wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:Welp. RIP DFaraday, and a hearty middle finger to whoever forced the Day 7 poll to be like that.
Are you a civilian, INH?

Are you, Epignosis?

Epignosis wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:BIH Timmer.

Sorry that I wasn't around last night, I'll probably post a wall of stuff tomorrow afternoon addressing everything.

But for now...

You gonna explain that vote Epig?
No.

Cool.

*votes Epignosis*

BIH Timmer.

Sorry that I wasn't around last night, I'll probably post a wall of stuff tomorrow afternoon addressing everything.

But for now...

You gonna explain that vote Epig?

Welp. RIP DFaraday, and a hearty middle finger to whoever forced the Day 7 poll to be like that.

DFaraday wrote:Not that it matters at this point. Still, I die a hero.

HOT TAKE:

That movie adaptation of Les Miserable was actually pretty good, and didn't deserve the flack it got from hardcore Hugo fans.

Epignosis wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Voted Russ again.
B/c of DF's last post?
Of course not. I was always voting Russ.

We've always been at war with Eastasia

Russtifinko wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:For what it's worth, I think there's a damn good chance that DF's civ. I'm not as sure of his alignment as I am of Russ' but I still really resent this situation for making us choose between these two.

That's why Epi's absence really grinds my gears. It's like he knows DF's going to flip civ, so he's biding his time so he can sail in Night 7 on a horse of "I told you so" style moral superiority, and an "if DF is civ, Russ must be bad" case.

He doesn't need to waste time attacking Russ because it's better for his game if DF's lynched this round. That way he can just waltz into another easy civ lynch Day 8.
I appreciate the support. However, it seems extremely unlikely to me that the hosts would allow a 2-civ lynch when we're down like this already. But what do I know.

I think it's fairly obvious that the limited poll options come from an item or a player's secret abilities instead of from the hosts themselves. Maybe because Shawn was killed?

Epignosis wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DFaraday wrote:And Epi is totally bad. Whichever team he isn't on, make sure you kill him next.
Am not, you liar.

I'm changing my vote.
not even trying to hide these NO U's anymore, eh Epi?
I have never once given a shit about "NO U."

You do you, Epi, and I'm gonna do me.

By that I mean vote you tomorrow. :yay:

Epignosis wrote:
DFaraday wrote:And Epi is totally bad. Whichever team he isn't on, make sure you kill him next.
Am not, you liar.

I'm changing my vote.

not even trying to hide these NO U's anymore, eh Epi?

For what it's worth, I think there's a damn good chance that DF's civ. I'm not as sure of his alignment as I am of Russ' but I still really resent this situation for making us choose between these two.

That's why Epi's absence really grinds my gears. It's like he knows DF's going to flip civ, so he's biding his time so he can sail in Night 7 on a horse of "I told you so" style moral superiority, and an "if DF is civ, Russ must be bad" case.

He doesn't need to waste time attacking Russ because it's better for his game if DF's lynched this round. That way he can just waltz into another easy civ lynch Day 8.

Where the hell is Epi in all this? Did he decide to just go to the Winchester, have a pint, and wait for all this to blow over?

Or does he not care about the outcome because he knows DF being lynched will help him?

DFaraday wrote:

BDH, I promise you, I am one of the last remaining civs, and it seems you are as well. I don't know what Russ is, but I strongly believe he is Yin/Yang. If we lose this lynch the game is basically over for us. I'm imploring you, you can't vote me today. We will lose. Please trust me this one time.

Like the Temptations, I ain't too proud to beg.

And now for some admittedly well-soundtracked pandering to the only confirmed civ in the game. C'mon man.

also, I'm not really sure how I can respond to DF's linking of me to Russ. I already said why I couldn't understand that argument, but DF just sorta blew past that reasoning.

It's at a point where any slight interaction we've had in the game, DF can attribute to being either clever distancing or nefarious buddying. So phooey.

DFaraday wrote:I think his play all game has suggested Yin/Yang. His outspokenness, his repeated attempts to draw Yin/Yang attention onto someone else, the fact that a player as brash as he hasn't been killed (although to be fair, the baddies are doing a terrible job at that).

I believe INH is Yang, accounting for his devil-may-care attitude, and that Russ is Yin, hence INH mentioning him as a suspect but not actually pushing for his lynch, or indeed even voting him.

Maybe I'm just not very self-aware, but I don't see how I've been "outspoken, brash, and devil-may-care" in this game at all. And I also don't understand how those assumed attitudes link me to Yin/Yang.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
timmer wrote:And what about the fact that INH and MM voted Sig together, you don't think that might make INH a Cop?
I think this very well could.

My problem is that there are enough people I am unsure about and I would need to see certain roles revealed to know which side of the fence certain people are on (Epig and INH being my big 2). And I think those people are you and Russ, but I think you're both civ so...

I don't think I read an actual stance in any of that. Kind of impressive.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Not sure about the bolded part. I think it's more likely that Timmer and INH are the 2 remaining Crooked Cops. Although GTH, I'd pick Timmer as more likely than INH.

Unless you think INH's recent flippant attitude is due to the fact that you think he's part of the unlynchable Yin/Yang duo.

I don't understand any of this. How am I and Timmer most likely to be the 2 Crooked Cops? You're gonna need to explain that one to me.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:It's like Epi is a car manufacturer who makes faulty cars with busted brakes and non-working airbags, and he's trying to justify it by saying "If all those people who died by driving in my shitty cars wanted not to die, they should've just bought a different car."
That's TOTALLY me. I made shitty cars. If you don't like what I made, don't buy them. That's the free market. Buy someone else's cars.

You're not saying whose cars should be bought though. You're just bitching about me.
...Although it's not like any of us can really argue about how we've gotten here. Epig was the one who filled the power void. And really, any of us could have taken that mantle and lead shitty civ lynch after civ lynch so far.

You 100% on that? I think that it's within the realm of possibility that someone else may have been able to choose at least one baddie to push by this point.

Even broken clocks are right twice a day, and Epi can't even be right once.

Quin wrote:This is the wrong thread. Please do not belittle me, it is the drugs. I swear it.

heh

timmer wrote:And what about the fact that INH and MM voted Sig together, you don't think that might make INH a Cop?

MM also voted with Epi against Scotty 1.0, fyi.

And please note that his sig vote wasn't some grand gesture of support. I made my case against sig, nobody listened thankfully, and MM decides to just vote with me and posts a brief "SOLD!" in the thread.

It feels like a throwaway vote against a civ to me, not us teaming up together or whatever you're trying to paint it as.

DFaraday wrote:INH and Russ = Yin/Yang. They've been getting along rather well, given that Russ claimed to suspect him earlier, after the fact:

Russtifinko wrote: All that is far from a defense of INH. I actually would have preferred lynching INH over Sokoth today, and maybe I should have said so sooner. However, I realize that my judgement on INH may be skewed this game since he's been after me since I replaced in this role, so I held off.
Russ doesn't really pursue this after bringing it up though, which leads me to believe he wanted to establish mild suspicion of INH without committing to going after him, since Timmer had conveniently been acting shifty enough to warrant his attention.

Timmer + ? = Baddies. Timmer's early defense of Dom and criticizing INH's vote on MM makes me think Timmer is one of the crooked cops.

Everyone else is a question mark, but BDH is reading the most strongly civ to me.

srsly? I made a few very serious anti-Russ posts for a part of the game, and he gave me some shit as well. Then we started making sense to each other. I don't see why a super-small team of two would risk going after each other so early in the game. It'd be some ballsy-ass distancing, and not very probable to me.

I don't disagree with your read on Timmer, and lol at you saying you trust BDH the most. He's pretty much the only confirmed civ in the game.

DFaraday wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
BigDamnHero wrote:I need to review the case Russ2 has made against timmer because I feel if timmer is bad, then Russ needs to be spared and DF gets today's vote...
Except that Timmer voted for me.
Canny move on his part.
You really think it's more likely that the last baddie would sacrifice their only teammate when there's still an intact serial killer duo in play?

I wouldn't go so far as to say Timmer is sacrificing you, or that you two are for sure teammates. It just feels odd to me that he's attacking me, calling me Yin or Yang, but still thinks Russ is civ. It feels like intentional distancing on Timmer's part.

timmer wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
timmer wrote:As for the other content going on, I'm starting to feel like if this lynch doesn't turn up a baddie, studying the "who can antagonize who more" group will yield up some targets. Guaranteed, one of the argumentative guys is Yang, because what do they care, they can't be lynched. Push as many buttons as they want. GTH, I'd bet it's INH. The way he was trying so hard to get rid of Sig makes sense if you consider Sig was the role who could block the kills.
You find me suspicious because I went after sig? Fine. That's fair.

But then, things being fair, you also have to suspect Epignosis for going after Sig Day 1, and leading lynches against Scotty 1.0, Sokoth, Wilgy, and essentially leading the train against Scotty 2.0, even though he moved his vote after the whole BDH clustermug.

I accept your suspicion of me because I went hard after a civ. But it would be flat out wrong to say that I've been doing that the most this game.
I can absolutely agree that Epig could be bad. At this point half of the remaining players are. But I'm not ever going to call someone bad just because they went after who turned out to be a civ. Civs do that all of the time by accident. .. its why the case against me is wrong.

But I can see specific motives for you to have gone af t rr Sig and why yiu talked so much about Yin abd Yang. That's important.

I guess I can just see a better scummy motive for Epi to go and lead the lynch of all of those people, than me failing to lynch one.

If you view me as more heinous than him for whatever subjective reason, then fine. Not really sure what I can do to dissuade you.

timmer wrote:Seriously.

Yeah, yeah, I'm here.

Jeez.

DFaraday wrote:
BigDamnHero wrote:I need to review the case Russ2 has made against timmer because I feel if timmer is bad, then Russ needs to be spared and DF gets today's vote...
Except that Timmer voted for me.

Canny move on his part.

timmer wrote:As for the other content going on, I'm starting to feel like if this lynch doesn't turn up a baddie, studying the "who can antagonize who more" group will yield up some targets. Guaranteed, one of the argumentative guys is Yang, because what do they care, they can't be lynched. Push as many buttons as they want. GTH, I'd bet it's INH. The way he was trying so hard to get rid of Sig makes sense if you consider Sig was the role who could block the kills.

You find me suspicious because I went after sig? Fine. That's fair.

But then, things being fair, you also have to suspect Epignosis for going after Sig Day 1, and leading lynches against Scotty 1.0, Sokoth, Wilgy, and essentially leading the train against Scotty 2.0, even though he moved his vote after the whole BDH clustermug.

I accept your suspicion of me because I went hard after a civ. But it would be flat out wrong to say that I've been doing that the most this game.

Epignosis wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Epi, I see you voted me. That's fine, you clearly think I'm bad. But you've thought I was bad since the Scotty lynch, for various reasons. Let's go through a few:

1) Epi leads a push onto LoRab. Russ defends her, and she soft defends him.
-Epi: "Russ fooled LoRab even though no one else did and got her to think he was a civ during a BTSC conversation."
-Russ: "But LoRab has been right about everyone else she's purported to have had BTSC with."
This one is still possible, I guess, but again, I'm really just not that good.

2) Replacements are evil.
-I've shown clearly that replacing in does not make anyone evil in and of itself.
This one is useless imo.

3) Russ is using phony math to stop Epi lynching Scotty, and evil replacement. They must be teammates!
-Scotty: *flips civ*
-Epi: "Well, Russ is still bad though. He's defended two civs in a row!"
(Note: I didn't actually defend Scotty per se. I just argued my point about replacements not being inherently evil, and at the same time pushed for a thread-based timmer lynch.
This one just doesn't make sense anymore, given the Scotty flip, but Epi somehow still thinks it plays into me being bad.

Epi, if none of that makes you see that maybe you're tunneling me, consider this: why on earth, if I were bad, would I be making such a shitstorm about your leadership? Any baddie in this game would be overjoyed to let you merrily go along lynching civs until the game was over. There are so many people following your cases with no additional contribution that all one would have to do is follow suit, and then blame one of them in another day or so. But I'm not doing that; I'm raising counterpoints to your proposed lynches (which you and others are ignoring) and suggesting an alternative (which you and others are ignoring). These things do not make sense to do as a baddie. It's risking too much exposure, when, again, I could easily coast by.

You say I'm taking these stances because I'm scared you're onto my teammate, finally. But who is that again? LoRab, Scotty 2.0? INH? It's been at least 3 days now, and you've gotten every lynch you've wanted. So I'm having trouble seeing who my nefarious teammate is that you're so worried about. If I'm defending them, I'm doing a pretty shitty job, because I haven't stopped a single lynch. And yet, no one has turned up bad. Huh. Weird, that.

Linki: I honestly don't know if Epi is bad, or just the most tunneled person I've ever seen in my life. That's the shitty thing about it. I'd rather take things step by step here and get DF, reconsider our options, get timmer, and re-reconsider. I still think there's ground to be gained by looking into some of the people quietly agreeing with him, too.
This is a terrible representation of what I've said.

How?

Epignosis wrote:I'm tired of being a big voice in a quiet pond and people being mad at the results.

Maybe that'd change if you didn't suspect everyone who disagrees with you. Saying you wish people would contribute and then either ignoring them once they do because they don't play into your ideas, or going out of your way to antagonize them isn't a good way to create productive discourse.

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