The Syndicate

congrats baddies!

I also totally 2/3rd's called it.

insertnamehere wrote: BADDIE TEAM GUESSES:
timmer/daisy/scotty
ALT:
timmer/daisy/luffy
timmer/daisy/elo
timmer/scotty/luffy

I'd say I did pretty well in this game. Shame about everyone else though.

Ricochet wrote:Hi, Mulholland Drive roles will be sent out shortly.

no hay banda

I just want to tell you all good luck, we're counting on you.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Hey guys I heard there is a mafia game somewhere around here, is it here?

is this not a movie discussion board?

a2thezebra wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Actually hey INH, would you be down to replace Sorsha? Or any other deadies?

Guess I was too late for this.

That's what I get for going to see Arrival.

I'd be up to replace anyone in the future.

I saw it too, pretty dope

I'll never look at coaster stains the same way again.

Ricochet wrote:Tfw I live on an island in the Pacific and can't go to the movies with either INH or zebra.

(Although you'd hate me, I munch nachos during the first 20 minutes of any movie and I regret nothing)

You got to watch free Cannes festival films in some all-night marathon. I wish I lived on an island with a cool-ass indie theater. Or really near any indie theaters. I just have to make due with TCM, HBO, and The Pirate Bay.

a2thezebra wrote:Actually hey INH, would you be down to replace Sorsha? Or any other deadies?

Guess I was too late for this.

That's what I get for going to see Arrival.

I'd be up to replace anyone in the future.

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:wait are dead player posts not allowed

shit

sorry

delete everything

All site rules apply. That means on-topic dead player posts are not allowed, you should already know that. I'm not deleting shit tho

is saying "I TOLD YOU SO" really considered on topic enough to count?

I always thought the only good thing about getting mislynched was getting to smugly gloat after your death

It absolutely is.

i regret my words and deeds

Do you?

sorry wilgy, dead players can't post on topic

a2thezebra wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:wait are dead player posts not allowed

shit

sorry

delete everything

All site rules apply. That means on-topic dead player posts are not allowed, you should already know that. I'm not deleting shit tho

is saying "I TOLD YOU SO" really considered on topic enough to count?

I always thought the only good thing about getting mislynched was getting to smugly gloat after your death

It absolutely is.

i regret my words and deeds

a2thezebra wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:wait are dead player posts not allowed

shit

sorry

delete everything

All site rules apply. That means on-topic dead player posts are not allowed, you should already know that. I'm not deleting shit tho

is saying "I TOLD YOU SO" really considered on topic enough to count?

I always thought the only good thing about getting mislynched was getting to smugly gloat after your death

a2thezebra wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:I looked it up. INH, your point about lying came up day 1, we didn't know about kilgrave until this cycle.

I no longer wish to change my vote. Let the sword fall.

Linki - I did. I gave you a full 2r hours into this day cycle. I stated I would too. I'm not going to wait till eod (which for some reason is a bad meme).

I'm sorry that I wasn't able to follow your prescribed schedule and prevent you from lynching a civilian.

This is all my fault for not trying hard enough.

Hush, corpse.

i legit didn't see your post when I pressed submit on that

DrWilgy wrote:/sigh

/heavier sigh

DrWilgy wrote:I looked it up. INH, your point about lying came up day 1, we didn't know about kilgrave until this cycle.

I no longer wish to change my vote. Let the sword fall.

Linki - I did. I gave you a full 2r hours into this day cycle. I stated I would too. I'm not going to wait till eod (which for some reason is a bad meme).

I'm sorry that I wasn't able to follow your prescribed schedule and prevent you from lynching a civilian.

This is all my fault for not trying hard enough.

DrWilgy wrote:Did we know about Kilgrave at the time INH?

Also the fact that INH thought votes were changable when that post was made makes me feel alittle better.

Well, Kilgrave is the big bad guy of the series that directly inspired the game, so I thought it was safe to assume he was in the role list and had some sort of powers. Invulnerability could certainly be a part of that.

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:lol @ everyone voting for me yesterday when I'm not around, and then not responding to any of my posts except with a "huh. maybe this case is BS after all" followed by nothing else.

C'mon guys. You can do better. This is how Epi managed to mislynch Indi for no reason, and how I'm about to be mislynched.

This is what happens when you ignore analysis in favor of gut reads. Gut reads are useful, don't get me wrong, but they shouldn't be the end-all, be-all like they are here.

Maybe my "playstyle" just doesn't mesh with the groups, idk.

Dude, I gave a full heads up as to when I'd vote, along with plenty for you to respond to.

I apologize for missing that window of time, unfortunately it looks like that's cost me my life in the game.

So ya.

Weren't votes changeable Day 2?

Is that gonna be different every single day, or are votes permanently permanent?

And could you people please give a person a chance to actually defend themselves before voting, especially when it's set in stone?

lol @ everyone voting for me yesterday when I'm not around, and then not responding to any of my posts except with a "huh. maybe this case is BS after all" followed by nothing else.

C'mon guys. You can do better. This is how Epi managed to mislynch Indi for no reason, and how I'm about to be mislynched.

This is what happens when you ignore analysis in favor of gut reads. Gut reads are useful, don't get me wrong, but they shouldn't be the end-all, be-all like they are here.

Maybe my "playstyle" just doesn't mesh with the groups, idk.

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

timmer wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Hey Timmer, what character are you?

Someone named Ruben. You?

Hmm.

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Ruben

Ruben was some annoying "nice guy" weirdo who had a freaky, incest-y relationship with his sister, and lived in the same building as Jessica Jones. He died at the hands of the main villain in episode four and was generally a very minor character.

Considering the very limited number of power roles, I struggle to think of why Ruben would be one of them and be given invulnerability.

I think Timmer is:

A. Lying to protect a powerful civ role, like Kilgrave, Trish, or Luke
B. Lying to protect his real baddie power role.
C. Lying about knowing why he survived the lynch.

I think C is very unlikely.

Please discuss.

I'd like to make the people who think I'm buddy buddy with Timmer to explain away this post

I thought it was a neutral post INH. It didn't favor Timmer to be good or bad, rather just a liar.

I'm pretty sure votes aren't changable. Let me double check.

Why would I call out Timmer's lie and make it much more likely for him to be Kilgrave?

Elohcin wrote:so, I am overwhelmed and cannot think clearly today. I have been blessed beyond what I could ever think or imagine and mafia is low on my list, sorry. SO....I am bandwagoning. I haven't been keeping up.

This is why I will always advocate randomization.

I'd like to switch Scotty and Elo's rankings on my read list.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:If IHN bothered to write that post even though he is bad Im gonna lmao

Scotty wrote:With INH "legacy" post it occurs to me that perhaps I am being bamboozled by both wilgy and Spacedaisy. But if we are wrong and INH is in fact good, it might be a moot point anyway if this is as close to LyLo as I think it might be.

DrWilgy wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:If IHN bothered to write that post even though he is bad Im gonna lmao

I agree. I need to relook at everyone.

They said without changing their votes...

insertnamehere wrote:

timmer wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Hey Timmer, what character are you?

Someone named Ruben. You?

Hmm.

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Ruben

Ruben was some annoying "nice guy" weirdo who had a freaky, incest-y relationship with his sister, and lived in the same building as Jessica Jones. He died at the hands of the main villain in episode four and was generally a very minor character.

Considering the very limited number of power roles, I struggle to think of why Ruben would be one of them and be given invulnerability.

I think Timmer is:

A. Lying to protect a powerful civ role, like Kilgrave, Trish, or Luke
B. Lying to protect his real baddie power role.
C. Lying about knowing why he survived the lynch.

I think C is very unlikely.

Please discuss.

I'd like to make the people who think I'm buddy buddy with Timmer to explain away this post

DrWilgy wrote:I'm going to wait for 7 hours and then vote. INH, Eloh, I would like full reads on all the players that are alive. If you are civ, convince me of your reads. I believe we are a day away from Lylo if this is a mislynch.

It is.

So, in order to help you guys out, I'm gonna give my reads on everyone. I realize the bandwagon has pretty much run me over already, so I'm gonna just assume I'm screwed and not bother with playing nice.

ASSUMPTIONS I'M MAKING:
1. Timmer = Kilgrave, mainly due to a lack of other options and his uninspiring defense.
2. Wilgy and Epi = Civ due to how Wilgy went after Timmer and Epi went after Timmer. Still absolutely hate the way Epi lead the dumbest lynch train imaginable against Indi.
3. I'm a mislynch, and some of the people ganging up against me know it. I don't care if me accusing the people who are accusing me looks like a NO U or only digging myself deeper into a hole already dug by others. This is the mafia equivalent of a last message. I'm starting off with the assumption that I'm already a goner.

LIST O' READS:

DrWilgy - As much as I dislike most everything he's done this game, if Timmer's bad, Wilgy ain't. Just wish he would stop being hypocritical in regards to acting erratically and expecting it to be ignored and accepted while pouncing on superficially erratic behavior when it comes from anyone else.
Epignosis - #JusticeforIndi - Another person who causes me to pompously lift my nose in disgust at their unreliable and civ-hostile gameplay. But, same logic applies. Epi is not gonna be on a team with Timmer.
Sorsha - Meh. This is the line of neutrality. Everyone below it has done something that makes me possibly see them as scum.
Elohcin - Don't like her enablement of Epi, and the stupid Day 2 debacle.
Dragon D. Luffy - The only person who isn't blindly rushing to condemn me. That's both a plus and a negative. Obviously, the scum knows that I'm gonna flip civ. So putting all of their eggs into a basket they know is headed for impact seems like a poor choice. His sudden "oh yeah, INH is being railroaded" moment isn't super convincing to me. Then again, he's the only other person not willing to ship me down the river, so that's nice.
Scotty - Blendy bleh meh. Don't really see his case against Elo.
Spacedaisy - Her condemnation of me because I used the word "pardoning" and subjective views of me buddying with Timmer don't ring true. They feel hollow. Looking at the four people who voted for me, logic would dictate that at least one of them is a baddie adding fuel to the fire. Daisy is my biggest choice for that position.
timmer - His patently BS role claim combined with the sorry lack of defense he's offered post Night 2 makes him look pretty guilty in my eyes.

BADDIE TEAM GUESSES:
timmer/daisy/scotty
ALT:
timmer/daisy/luffy
timmer/daisy/elo
timmer/scotty/luffy

Spacedaisy wrote:First is INH/Timmer: If I am forced to choose between INH and Wilgy who both seem to think the other is bad, I would choose INH as bad and Wilgy as Civ. Wilgy's behavior reads very much civ to me, and I feel like he was low hanging fruit on Day 1 because he really drove the Day 1 lynch. Timmer's response read angry to me, and INH seems to have a bit of remorse. It looks like he might have placed a distancing vote that bit him in the ass. If Timmer is Kilgrave then he is the logical choice for a distancing vote on Day 1. The thing that really caught my eye though was this kind of innocuous post:

Not really sure how I can respond to this other than saying that my randomization was genuine, even if you don't believe the screenshot. So was my remorse after Wilgy decided to jump on Timmer at the last second.

insertnamehere wrote:Welp. Not really sure what to make of that. Timmer most likely has a power role, not sure if that means anything for his alignment.

Timmer, are you surprised at your pardoning?

The highlighted caught my eye because I found the wording to be off. Most people who don't know why someone didn't die would ask, "Are you surprised you didn't die?" Or perhaps, "Do you know why you didn't die?" But INH jumped straight to pardon, which implies a Civ reason for surviving a lynch usually. Pardoning is most often the mechanic used by a Mayor role. So to me it read like he either pardoned Timmer himself or he wanted to frame it as Civ as possible without defending him. Add in the fact I find his Day 1 behavior to be odd and it brings me to the conclusion there is a possible baddie connection there.

Oh boy. The "he used a specific word that implies that he's a baddie" argument.

To give you an inner working into my vocabulary and word choice, the reason I went with pardoning is because in Mad Max, the other game that I'm playing right now, pardons have been featured very prominently, and usually seem to involve myself. I guess I just had pardons on the brain. I also wanted to give Timmer an opportunity to defend himself because I felt he had been unfairly jumped upon earlier.



If that one word choice means that I must be scum, by all means...

does this mean timmer is kilgrave?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:INH has some posts that look like textbook scum. He sounds manipulative. The whole "I would vote Wilgy is I could" is pingy, following the RNG vote trend is pingy, saying there is nothing useful to read on day 1 is extra pingy.

How is me wanting to vote Wilgy after the vote closes pingy?

Because saying you want to vote for someone doesn't have the same weight of actually voting, and is a good way of saying something without taking responsibility.

Wilgy piggybacked off of my vote right before the EOD. I didn't have the chance to change my vote. Plus, weren't votes unchangeable on D1, or am I misremembering?

After the EOD, I voiced my frustration with the results and said that I would have changed my vote if I could. Wilgy asked me who I would change it to. I said Wilgy.

This wasn't me saying "I wanna vote for Wilgy" and then not voting for him. The reason why I would have voted for him occured at the EOD. I didn't have the opportunity to. It wasn't me avoiding responsibility, it was me regretting the entire chain of events.

insertnamehere wrote:How is randomly voting on a quiet Day 1 pingy?

How is having a different opinion than you on Day 1 suspicions extra pingy?

Because the whole "day 1 is useless so I'm not gonna do anything" is the ultimate excuse for not hunting bads.

And the ones who don't want to hunt bads are, by definition, bad. The only way for civilians to win this game is if people read whatever posts are available and try. Random voting produces no lynches, no leads, and no information.

Maybe I'm just shit at this game, but I gleaned nothing from the Day 1 proceedings. Rather than tenuously reach for a vote that could very well be utterly wrong, I decided to randomize and continue observing, hoping that something would stand out that I could then pursue.

I didn't want a no lynch. I didn't want no information. I wanted to see what everyone else would do, so I could hopefully generate reads after getting nothing from D1.

I just feel bad for Indi, who was lynched twice in a row for utterly BS reasons. I hope she wants to play again after this cabernacle haberdashery.

oh wow the case based on nothing ended up not catching a baddie.

color me unflabbergasted.

DrWilgy wrote:@INH, so what qualifies as satisfactory? Randoming?

Nope. But I view voting for someone solely because they randomed to be worse than randoming.

In regards to my views on INH's humorous posts that made me suspect him originally, I can sympathize. Humor is needed for life, but too much of anything can be bad. When comparing what had triggered my suspicion vs my own playstyle, I do see similarities, but there's one key difference. When I have things to contribute or a goal to achieve, I make sure that I at least voice it or accomplish my goal after the humor has passed, or even with the humor.

Humor into a random vote does not accomplish this.

Really dude? You, DrWilgy, are criticizing someone for joking around in a mafia game?

Let me see if I understand your argument, because it utterly strains credulity for me. Apparently, Wilgy uses humor to accomplish a goal or accompanies his humor with gameplay. Uh huh.

In his mind, my random D1 vote isn't gameplay, but rather me awkwardly spasming about the thread. It boggles Wilgy's mind to possibly conceive of a goal I could achieve with my utterly inept, pointless, brainless random vote that has no basis in logic or rational thought.

Let's see how Wilgy uses humor.
I honestly see no way in which the above posts are somehow more goal-orientated and on-topic than:

insertnamehere wrote:i'm daredevil everybody.

the ben affleck version, obviously.

But I'm not Wilgy. I don't know the extreme level of thought and care he puts into each jokepost, how each snarky comment is expertly designed to trap the baddies in a web of his own making.

I guess that's just my own fault, not thinking exactly like Wilgy.

Voting for Epi.

If I get lynched because of it, so be it.

Epignosis wrote:

timmer wrote:Voted for Epig. I see literally no case on indiglo.

So...what's the case on me?

You're trying to lynch indiglo for no real reason.

Boom. Case.

DFaraday wrote:I don't really see any substance to the Indiglo case. Looking back over INH's posts, his comments directed towards Wilgy don't sit right with me. He's calling out Wilgy for being intolerant of other people's play styles, but making his case on Wilgy for that same reason. It kind of felt like he was looking for an excuse to vote Wilgy to me.

*votes INH*

Am I making a case against Wilgy? No. Wilgy asked me if who I would change my vote to if I could. I didn't like, and I still don't like how he handled the D1 EOD. But I'm not launching a crusade against the dude.

My ping of Wilgy wasn't because I disliked his playstyle or whatever, it's that he decided to call the D1 lynch on his own against a person for a reason that I don't find satisfactory.

That's what got my proverbial goat.

Moving forward, I'd like to see more from him and Timmer. I still don't trust Timmer's role claim and find the entire deal more fishy than anyone else. I also doubt that powers were randomly assigned to people.

Unfortunately, I may have to vote Indi out of self-preservation, which is a shame because the entire thing makes my skin crawl.

I'd honestly be flabbergasted if she was bad. This seems like the exact same thing that happened in Mad Max, and I don't like it one bit.

I'd be more open to lynching Epi for starting the whole kerfuffle in the first place.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:INH has some posts that look like textbook scum. He sounds manipulative. The whole "I would vote Wilgy is I could" is pingy, following the RNG vote trend is pingy, saying there is nothing useful to read on day 1 is extra pingy.

How is me wanting to vote Wilgy after the vote closes pingy?

How is randomly voting on a quiet Day 1 pingy?

How is having a different opinion than you on Day 1 suspicions extra pingy?

Scotty wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Scotty wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Scotty wrote:I think INH is bad

is there anything you want me to respond to, or is it just a tone/feels read type thing?

Yes

So, both?

If the first part is correct, could you please share the thing you want me to respond to, so I can then respond to it? Looking through your post history, the only thing I can find is you thinking my Daredevil joke was an actual claim.

Ah, I didn't know daredevil wasn't in this show. Totally thought you were claiming.

As for any other reason for suspecting you- day 1 gut. Nothing you can really respond to or anything I can substantiate

To put it in other terms, me claiming Daredevil in a Jessica Jones game is like someone claiming Picard in a ST:TOS game.

timmer wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Hey Timmer, what character are you?

Someone named Ruben. You?

Hmm.

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Ruben

Ruben was some annoying "nice guy" weirdo who had a freaky, incest-y relationship with his sister, and lived in the same building as Jessica Jones. He died at the hands of the main villain in episode four and was generally a very minor character.

Considering the very limited number of power roles, I struggle to think of why Ruben would be one of them and be given invulnerability.

I think Timmer is:

A. Lying to protect a powerful civ role, like Kilgrave, Trish, or Luke
B. Lying to protect his real baddie power role.
C. Lying about knowing why he survived the lynch.

I think C is very unlikely.

Please discuss.

DrWilgy wrote:Why do people think I'm not civ? At least call me bad...

Sorry, I must've missed the question Scotty. The reason is that INH is willing to say things without purpose.

This exchange:

a2thezebra wrote:Luffy was just in today so he'll be here soon enough. The game begins! Any questions such as whether or not character-claiming is allowed will have to be asked to be answered.

insertnamehere wrote:is character claiming allowed?

insertnamehere wrote:i'm daredevil everybody.

the ben affleck version, obviously.

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Are votes changeable?

Hello INH. Are you classified as a civilian?

Yep.

By the way, the Daredevil thing was a joke. I'm not really him.

OR AM I?




No, I'm really not.

Omitting the response to me, what was the point?

Character claiming was something that Zebra all but asked us to ask whether or not it was allowed, and it can heavily influence the game. I thought it was worth knowing. That was the point of my first post, to find information to support the civ cause.

The second post was a joke. Me being lighthearted. Kidding around. Having a laugh. Rustling a few jimmies. Exercising the ol' funny bone.

People thought it was serious, so I spelled out its falsity in the third post. I then made another joke, because humor is the only defense humankind has against its own mortality. It's all that stands between us, depression, and oblivion. Plus I like feeling witty. You can empathize, right Wilgy?

Scotty wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Scotty wrote:I think INH is bad

is there anything you want me to respond to, or is it just a tone/feels read type thing?

Yes

So, both?

If the first part is correct, could you please share the thing you want me to respond to, so I can then respond to it? Looking through your post history, the only thing I can find is you thinking my Daredevil joke was an actual claim.

DrWilgy wrote:INH, I stated thus previously, my vote wasn't random. Should I have not broken the tie? Should I have not voted? This "single-handed" meme is dumb, 8 people missed votes and I feel like I'm getting flak for it.

Yes, Wilgy, you should have broken the tie and voted. Yes, you were more productive than the 8 absentee players. No, those two things don't make your vote any better in my eyes. It still rubs me the wrong way.

Scotty wrote:I think INH is bad

is there anything you want me to respond to, or is it just a tone/feels read type thing?

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Maybe I ought to have been a well-respected, brave player and voted early with no apparent reasons. HAHAHA

This. I don't have any reads right now. There's literally nothing I would base a vote on. Maybe that makes me a nonperceptive player, idk. I don't like that Wilgy wants to force people to vote on D1 for a weak reason instead of randomizing. I also think he did timmer pretty damn dirty here.

DrWilgy wrote:

timmer wrote:Da fuq? My first game back in the saddle in awhile? Et tu, Wilgy?

Sorry Timmer, when everyone random votes/doesn't show up this happens.

Don't blame us for playing differently than you, Wilgy. If you think randomizing on Day 1 is a coward's move, then fine. But don't throw someone under the bus solely because he does so.

If I could change my vote right now, I would.

I don't blame you for playing differently, I blame random voting and non presence for giving us little to work with.

Random voting isn't the way of a coward, and I never said that it was. Random voting however doesn't help the civilian cause. Why shouldn't I cull someone for random voting INH?

Who would you change your vote to INH?

Randomly picking someone who did something you don't like, and single-handedly voting them out is about as helpful as random voting, Timmer's alignment aside.

To be honest, I probably would change my vote to you. You're the only person who's done something that really rubs me the wrong way. I'm not saying that I think you're 100% bad, but you're my biggest ping right now.

Welp. Not really sure what to make of that. Timmer most likely has a power role, not sure if that means anything for his alignment.

Timmer, are you surprised at your pardoning?

Elohcin wrote:Maybe I ought to have been a well-respected, brave player and voted early with no apparent reasons. HAHAHA

This. I don't have any reads right now. There's literally nothing I would base a vote on. Maybe that makes me a nonperceptive player, idk. I don't like that Wilgy wants to force people to vote on D1 for a weak reason instead of randomizing. I also think he did timmer pretty damn dirty here.

DrWilgy wrote:

timmer wrote:Da fuq? My first game back in the saddle in awhile? Et tu, Wilgy?

Sorry Timmer, when everyone random votes/doesn't show up this happens.

Don't blame us for playing differently than you, Wilgy. If you think randomizing on Day 1 is a coward's move, then fine. But don't throw someone under the bus solely because he does so.

If I could change my vote right now, I would.

Seeing Doctor Strange, so I gotta vote now.

Randomized and got Timmer.
Please don't vote me out while I'm at a movie- I don't want what happened when I went to Star Trek Beyond to happen for a second time.

DrWilgy wrote:Are votes changeable?

Hello INH. Are you classified as a civilian?

Yep.

By the way, the Daredevil thing was a joke. I'm not really him.

OR AM I?




No, I'm really not.

i'm daredevil everybody.

the ben affleck version, obviously.

is character claiming allowed?

Present and accounted for.