The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:14 pm Congrats guys. I don't understand why you were all able to win together, but it's clear that I didn't have a chance even when I thought I did. If only INH hadn't been lynched, he could have killed one of you and taken us both off the poll so only Tranq would be on it and I thought INH and I would both survive/end in a draw... but you guys wouldn't let that happen because you had Secret Machinations. Oh well.

Told y'all.

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:33 pm Isn't that the same thing? Lynch speedchuck + you NK Quin + nutella off the poll = only me and you on the next poll. Even worse, if Quin NKs you i could be the only one on the lynch poll! A 100% chance of getting lynched next

What about if I fuse with you tonight, protecting me from NKs. You do the same. Day 7, it's you, me, Quin, and maybE Nutella on the poll. Then, you can decide once again who you want to go with.

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:20 pm Lynching speedchuck means both INH and nutella could be off the poll tomorrow. Which leaves only myself and Quin on the lynch poll. A 50% chance of getting lynched next.

Lynching INH means no more Earth/Psionic NK, and 4 players on the next poll. A 25% chance of getting lynched next.

Right now i'm thinking INH. I need to think this through.

If you lynch Speed, I'm going to fuse with Quin in order to gain an NK, which I will then use on Quin. Can't say what Nutella will do, but I'm definitely going to be on the lynch poll if I survive that long.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:40 pm INH, as it stands, you've got three powers up your arsenal.

1. A night kill
2. A night kill deflection
3. Taking yourself off the lynch poll

Not my favourite person to keep alive. Thoughts?

I've already committed to using my night kill to destroy my ability to night kill.

Also, don't all of you also have three powers up your arsenal? Why are mine publicized and targeted while everyone else acts like they're practically sterile?

The only reason that I seem like I have an unequally powerful set of fusions is because I'm the only one who has been honest about their fusion results. Everyone else keeps their powers to themselves, while I share them with the group.

I guess I was naive to think that'd build up my reputation for candor instead of putting a big red target on my back.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:08 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:01 pm You've hinted at some ulterior motive for specifically targeting Bass. He was my fellow Earth. Then, a psionic fused with me and killed Daisy. Now there's only one Holy.
You're the one who killed daisy, yo.

I wasn't.

This conversation is kinda pointless. You don't have any more proof that I killed her than I have that I didn't.

Even if you didn't kill her, you'd still have no way of knowing whether or not your Psionic compatriot did, unless you were both working together, of course.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:59 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:47 am Hm. I wonder if, every time a holy dies, a player gets resurrected?

Or perhaps nutella combined with something that allowed eventual resurrection? What do you think, nutella?
The second one.

I agree that lynching INH to eliminate that NK combo is a pretty good idea. Breaking up the two Psionics sounds like a somewhat reasonable alternative, but I'm not convinced by any means that they can win together, so I'm more concerned with surviving the night, and as long as Earth and both Psionics are around INH can just alternate them as targets and kill every night (whereas if we lynch one Psionic today we won't know whether it's the one INH targeted last or not, and chances are he'd steer the lynch in the way that would allow him to alternate targets). INH, I'm voting for you now, unless we can strike some kind of deal that involves you killing somebody other than me, because, you know, eliminating other players is always nice.

If I survive today, I'll fuse with a Psionic in order to kill a Psionic. I'm willing to kill off my means of killing others.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:26 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:17 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:52 pm Quin and I cannot finish this game together.
Why?
LMS? Same reason you and I cannot finish this game together.

Oh, and by finish I mean "live through"

Mmm hmm. Simply saying "no we can't" isn't really convincing here.

You've hinted at some ulterior motive for specifically targeting Bass. He was my fellow Earth. Then, a psionic fused with me and killed Daisy. Now there's only one Holy.

This is the best explanation I can come up with for your behavior, and the "unless that changes" clause. You and Quin seem to have splitting up pairs as a sort of objective, possibly because you feel threatened by them.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:52 pm Quin and I cannot finish this game together.

Why?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:53 am I targeted quin last night. Can confirm that Quin and I are not aligned.

Still, if you can win together, that means that we can't let you both get into the final 3.

Black Rock wrote: ↑Sat May 20, 2017 4:49 pm

There will be only one winner. Unless that changes.

Alive:
insertnamehere - Earth
nutella - Died Night 3 - Water - Reborn Night 5
Quin - Psionic
speedchuck - Psionic
Tranq - Holy

Here's something that's been bothering me. The "unless that changes" clause. My strong suspicion is that two people can get to the end together and both win, as long as they're the same element.

The only remaining pair is Quin and Speed, and they've been pretty much in sync this entire game.

I think breaking up this potentially game-ending power couple should be our top priority.

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:24 am
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:59 am
Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:05 am nutella! Do you know who killed you?
According to the post, it was a Psionic/Earth combo, and the way it was written seems to suggest that it was a mutual fusion?
Earth/Psionic killed Spacedaisy aswell. I count 1 Earth and 2 Psionic alive. Easiest way to get rid of that NK is to lynch the Earth, right?
INH: You said you're Earth. Did you kill Spacedaisy? Who do you think should be lynched?

Nope. Didn't kill her. What I still can't get over is Speedchuck's "certain individuals" he needs to get out, which is what caused him to target Bass and break up the alliance. So, he'd be my top candidate.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2017 6:15 pm Alright, I'm heading out. Gonna put my vote on Bass. I'm quite sure that there's an alliance going on between him and INH. I want to break that up.

Be my guest.

FUN LITTLE FACTOID:

Here's who's left in the game -

2 Earths
2 Psionics
2 Holys

Funny how things turned out that way.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2017 5:24 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2017 5:23 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2017 5:00 pm this lynch poll is super spooks
Quin, where's your head at?
Self-preservation, always.

Well, from the looks of things, Speedchuck has got his own MO, and is willing to vote out fellow Alliance members to further it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2017 5:12 pm Let me put things a certain way. Everyone in this game is on my do not lynch list. I like you guys. However, there are certain people I have to get rid of first, and Bass is one of them.

I don't know who Speed's referring to with this phrase, but it could include anyone.

Now, he wants Bass out. A good way to stop him from including you and me in that "certain people" group is by not helping him. And, mayhaps, voting for someone like Spacedaisy.

That's my pitch.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2017 4:42 pm Of course he did lol

. Despite that I moved my vote to bass

Do you still think I'm lying about fusing with Nutella?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2017 5:00 pm this lynch poll is super spooks

Quin, where's your head at?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2017 4:09 pm Hm.

So by "Tell me where to put my vote" you mean "Hey let's all vote for spacedaisy together"

Nope. It seems like there's a sorta schism here. You and Bass seem to be at odds. I'm not sure who, out of you two, Quin and Tranq will go with. You can see my predicament.

If I had to choose who should go, it'd Spacedaisy for inventing narratives to target others. But, this is an LMS game, and I have no allegiance to Bass.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2017 3:18 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2017 2:40 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2017 12:32 pm What sort of deal?
In exchange for today's protection, you guys tell me where to vote, and who to fuse with.
I mean, I'm not even voting for you, so I'm tentatively cool with it. So long as you vote for Bass.

The thing is, I'm pretty sure Bass is a part of the Alliance too.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2017 12:32 pm What sort of deal?

In exchange for today's protection, you guys tell me where to vote, and who to fuse with.

Folks, if I'm off the poll tomorrow, you have my express permission to instantly night kill me Night 6.

I wasn't lying. Here's my third ever post in this game.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2017 10:15 pm Seeing as there's no BTSC, for me at least, I feel like honesty is the best policy.

My Element is Earth.

A team-up with Water, Metal, or Light is mutually beneficial.

I will fuse with the first person who publicly requests me to do so.

From the jump, I was looking for possible Water players, and I found one in Nutella.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:06 am
Tranq wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 12:51 am Looks like one of the Waters killed DH.

nutella: How did you kill SVS - and can you kill again?
I fused with Light (Jack), and I don't think so because both Lights are gone.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:07 am That basically outs who I am if you read the post.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 6:56 pm I might vote for you INH, mostly because you're in the groupclubgang. You could change my mind by elaborating on how you fusing with water would be mutually beneficial.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 7:04 pm Fusing would take us both off of the lynch poll tomorrow.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 7:18 pm I suppose I believe your claim about our fusion though as well. I might go ahead and target you today then.

Both of our elements are clearly stated, along with what will happen if we fuse, and our intent to clearly fuse.

Not sure if there's any ambiguity here.

Tranq wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2017 3:27 am The game is at a point where i don't really have a reason to vote for anyone.
Bass, speedchuck and Quin are members of the alliance so it's between INH and Spacedaisy for me.

It's true INH got a pass last lynch so that's as good a reason as any. I fused with him last night so that means i cannot fuse with him today anyway. On the other hand, Spacedaisy is the last female so maybe we should lynch her for that. I gave her a pass the last couple of lynches for defending me earlier in the game so that's sort of holding me back, but i cannot keep that going forever.

I won't be around for much of the day so i'll vote INH for now. I can change my vote if needed.

Would the Alliance be open to making a deal for my protection?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2017 9:30 am Allow me to explain why INH is the right vote. You have two guys both off the polls. We are down to three sets of elements now. They both came in the thread claiming a different way of how it happened. At least one is probably lying, possibly both. Which means their way of getting themselves taken off the poll probably is a combination they can still use. But they don't want to advertise that of course because that is an advantage they have over everyone else. So they lie. If only one is lying, which is more likely to be the one. I'd say it's the guy who claimed it was a fusion with someone who just died. "I can't do it again." As he himself pointed out, the goal is to appear non-threatening. What better way? You don't want it coming down to you and one of or both of these two. They have an advantage. Don't let them fool you.

NUMBER OF REACHING ASSUMPTIONS IN SPACEDAISY'S POST:

1. Something fishy has to be going on for two people to both have lynch immunity.
2. Two seperate reactions can't have the same product.
3. At least one of them has to be lying.
4. Both of them could be lying.
5. INH is more likely to be lying.
6. INH saying that the person he fused with is dead makes him more suspicious.
7. They're trying to fool you, apparently.

Daisy, with this post, you've made a rectum out of not just yourself, but also me.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2017 12:00 am Interesting, I didn't say I was voting for you just that the two of you were given a pass yesterday so I think today we should be focusing on one of you two. And we've reached end game time. So it's just the nature of the game.

I also think the nature of the game includes finding the most convenient looking scapegoats and pushing their elimination without coming off too overtly threatening, which is what you're attempting to do here.

Gotta keep the spotlight off yourself by pushing it onto someone else.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2017 12:07 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2017 11:38 pm Hm. Well, that's a bit OP.
I dunno about Bass, but I fused with Nutella to take myself off the poll. So, I won't be able to do it again.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2017 11:09 pm I'd like to talk about INH and Bass being off the poll yesterday.

Once again, I fused with Nutella to do that. Wish I could do it again, but it ain't happening.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2017 11:03 pm What would you like to talk about?

Life, love, and the like.

I've been rewatching Breaking Bad, speaking of which, how have we not been making references to that show all game?

And so the awkward detente that followed Day 3 continues...

Tranq wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2017 3:05 am INH, i fused with you, if that's ok

Don't worry, the fusing was mutual.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2017 6:47 pm And so here we are - I knew it would come to this sooner or later and I'm at peace with this now. Never for a moment did I believe I was any chance of winning this game but now, I leave this game with potentially any number of players in a position to win that I'm genuinely thrilled to have win. I've outlasted Syndicate legends like Epi, et al for maybe the first time so I'm happy about that too. No hard feelings Guys, good luck to you all

Glorf, who would you rather see gone than yourself?

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2017 12:46 am Maybe it's not intentional? Like we've discovered a 'bug' in the system?

I mean, there isn't a hundred different reactions for every possible combination. BR and LC copy/pasted for more than a few of them.

Bass_the_Clever wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2017 12:42 am Nope I fused with speedchuck

Earth + Water took me off the polls.

Bass + Speed must be a case of different reactants forming the same product.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2017 11:38 pm Hm. Well, that's a bit OP.

I dunno about Bass, but I fused with Nutella to take myself off the poll. So, I won't be able to do it again.

Bass_the_Clever wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2017 10:45 pm I mixed with someone and the results took me off the poll. I'm guessing the same thing happen to INH.

Yep. Ditto.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2017 10:53 pm Well Bass, INH since you are off the poll I'm interested to see who you think should be next?

I dunno. I'm not really leaning in a specific direction. I will say that I'd like Glorf to stick around, because I always know where I stand with him. Other than that, I'm open to deals and appeals.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2017 11:30 pm Wow you guys wanna know another game where INH will be off the poll?

Blue Velvet Mafia now in sign ups

I should give you a sign to spin around or something.

Bass_the_Clever wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2017 2:12 pm INH why defend your alliance with us so hard only to jump ship after the lynch?

I feel like people were directly conflating me with the alliance, and putting me in untenable positions where every move I make ends with me breaking a promise and making an enemy.

Also, the whole us versus them idea was so toxic that I needed to try and distance myself from it.

I'm open to working the remaining alliance, and I'm certainly not against you guys. I was just worried it was hurting my game and thought that a separation was needed.

welp, time for me to be inevitably nightkilled.

Let the record show that I kept all of my promises. Everyone that I said I would protect, I tried my damnedest to protect.

I'm going into Day 4, assuming that I make it there, with a clean slate. Fresh board. You can count me out of the alliance, if the remaining members wish to continue it.

People can deal with me, knowing that I will keep to my word.

told ya so

This is his last little joke, let him have it.

The only way Epi has fun in LMS games is by mercilessly fucking with the people who take them seriously.

Thank you Tranq.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 11:31 pm My parting wisdom is to lynch INH as soon as you can.

Bass_the_Clever wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 11:30 pm Switching to elo

switching to epi

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 11:27 pm You say you've always kept your word in LMS gamea. Thats not true

When have I broken it? Are you talking about me not confessing about the poison thing in Survivor? I never promised to tell you the truth, Elo, and even then it was a lie of omission. I never even targeted you in that game post-merge, even though you certainly targeted me.

Bass_the_Clever wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 11:27 pm How can we save Nutella

By getting someone who voted for her to switch back to Elo. Fat chance of that happening.

We're in Zero Sum territory folks.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 11:25 pm Why are we the "right" targeta inh?

Thats a lie INH...and i can personally attest to that.

Because I made deals with everyone else, and I don't want to break my word by screwing over someone that I promised not to screw over.

i'm begiinng to think this epi guy doesn't like lms games, but i need to hear more from hism about it fore i know for sure

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 11:19 pm Inh, you dont keep your alliances well. You may say that today, but tomorrow you'll go against her. Its just how it is. It can't all be rqinbows and unicorns forever

And god knows im not popular. I am not very well liked.

I've kept my alliances and agreements in all of my LMS games. The only people who can go today in order to keep all of my agreements are you and Epi. Sorry, but any other moves are me breaking my word.

I'd argue that you're pretty popular for this eleventh hour save attempt to be happening.

I'm not moving off of Elo. Still think she + Epi are the right targets.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 11:13 pm I'll tell you what, Elo, if you move your vote off Tranq I would be willing to switch from you to nutella, assuming the others voting you would be willing to do the same.

I have a deal with Nutella, so I'd prefer not to do this.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 11:06 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 11:02 pm
Bass_the_Clever wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 11:01 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 11:00 pm
Bass_the_Clever wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 11:00 pm Moving my vote to Elo. Let's see how the chips fall.
No, no. I'll vote for myself before I permit that.
Why?
Because Epi and Elo are in an alliance.

Say what you will about us, but at least we're honest about working together.
I have never been in an alliance with her in LMS. My policy with her is always the same: If she wins, great- I won't help or hinder her unless I must.

I hope your faction turns out you.

Well, we're all entitled to our own perspective, and I hope in the future you play games that you enjoy playing.

i'm beginning to think this epignosis guyy doesn't like lms games

but i need to hear more about it from him beofre i can know for sure

Bass, if you want to save Elo/Epi, who should we lynch in their stead?

We've made agreements with every other person except Nutella.

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