The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:20 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:34 pm Ricohet...

this is super important...

...what do you think of...

....America...

...by...

...Yes?

Well done, scumbo, making me waste a night of search with this fake hint.

America... Erika...

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:14 pm lol rico @ inh being btsc partners, not sure why i didn't click on that within 30 seconds of reading their argument

we were potential partners.

neither of us thought that the other was a civilian, unfortunately.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:13 pm RICO YOU TRIED KILLING THE ONE PERSON WHO YOU COULD HAVE BTSC WITH

THE ENTIRE GAME

goddamn it

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:25 pm I wouldn't even know how to go about making a lick of sense to you, but I'll admit I'm not really trying to. My opinions are based on who I think is in each role, and I'm running out of town roles for speedchuck to be in. I'm not sure you're one to mine the thread for info, but the reason my arguments are perhaps not persuasive is because I'm reading between a lot of lines rather than simply going on what someone puts in the thread.

Rico spent several days in a row claiming a wolf team that wasn't and has used a gimmick which conveniently means he doesn't have to provide an explanation for the motivations or reasons for thinking the way he does. I think it's cheap and dirty and if he's bad and wins this way I'd be very disappointed in him, because it's like a hack. There's plenty of reasons that I could point to for why I could justify a vote for rico.

But I'm not going to try to use any of them because fundamentally I do not believe rico is a politician, and I think it would be a waste of a day lynching him.

I don't know why rico thinks quin is the cat, or is he concerned he targeted the cat? Either way, rico just isn't analysing the game well (and I also think quin will vote speedchuck).

k

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:19 pm inh, if you read carefully, you might be able to figure out how I know rico isn't the Woman with No Face.

is there a hidden message in the first letter of every one of your posts?

I very much doubt that speedchuck is bad.

Ricochet.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:18 pm Of course rico is bonkers enough, but that doesn't mean he's bad. He was one of the most vehement in keeping tony firmly in his sights as a lynch option.

This is a guy who I seriously contemplated for a while as politician, but it just doesn't fit with the facts.

Alrighty, this seems to be the thin-ass reasoning behind why no one but myself and Futurama Wilgy seem to not be considering Rico in any real way.

And it's bullshit.

The Day 3 vote made Tony looks shady as shit, and he seemed like primo lynch material. Rico did take a stand against him, by posting cat emojis, but he was much more loudly against myself and Golden.

In fact, Ricochet and TonyStarkPrime both voted against me on Day 2 and Day 4. Ricochet never voted for TSP a single time.

It's already clear how two baddies from two different teams, Epignosis and TonyStarkPrime, were able to use me as an easy target, with Ricochet being the one driving the train with the false accusation against me.

Rico posted a couple wolfie emojis in response to TSP's posts immediately in the aftermath of Day 2, and the Elo lynch. After that, however, he quickly hopped on the "TSP = Tan Jacket" bandwagon.


Here are Ricochet's two proposed Politician teams. Note that TSP is not on either.


I utterly fail to see any sort of special attention paid to both the Politician team (outside of quoting every post I make and adding a wolf emoji) or TonyStarkPrime, and Golden's statement absolving Rico doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

Unfortunately, last time I checked, I wasn't a lawyer living in New Zealand.

I'm still gonna write a case against you, just out of sheer prickliness.

The sad part is that with the short term memory of some of these people, they'll probably forget it by this time Day 7. If there is a Day 7.

well I guess my vote is more ceremonial and arbitrary than anything else

RAINBOW LIST

INH
Quin
Boomslang
Speedchuck
Sprityo
Dom
Wilgy
Ricochet

Quin is more or less town-cleared, Boomslang is the Man in the Tan Jacket, Speed and Sprit are the people who I've agreed with the most over the course of the game, I'm not inclined to vote for either of them. I disagree with Dom's read on Speed, and I think we've been going in opposite directions for most of the game. Nevertheless, the dude has hunted pretty damn hard, which is why he's above Wilgy. Who's just...you know...here. Doin' Wilgy stuff.

And the perennial last on my list is Ricochet. Who I'm convinced is bad.

Golden, do you really think a person bonkers enough to willingly post in emojis isn't bonkers enough to fake being cursed when they themselves are the one doing the cursing?

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:26 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:16 pmYou and mayyybe Speedchuck are the people I could see having cursed right now.

INH, on night 2 you fingered epi and speedchuck as the ones most likely to have been responsible for the cursing. Do you remember why you saw them as more likely?

Both were around a decent length in Blue Velvet. Epi was adamantly against Rico's Poppy-posting, and I thought he perhaps doth protest too much. Speed was more or less indifferent to Rico's behavior in that game, and it surprised me that no one was throwing his name around as a possible FOW.

I'm still not sold on it being someone from Blue Velvet 100%, as it's easily possible for someone to have heard about Rico's schtick and just re-used it to frame a certain group of users.

I'm not cursed either.

Is it possible that TSP was the FOW, and Hiram McDaniels is still out there? Nobody's vote has been forced for a while, right, so Glow Cloud's off the table.

My fairly simple goal for today is to try and identify the former Politicians, ISO 'em, and lynch the person who seems the scummiest based on the interactions.

Who's with me?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:18 pm *leans in slowly*

...


SEX!

Male.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:09 pm TSP is not the Man in the Tan Jacket. Y'all barking up the wrong tree with that.

Proof?

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:03 pm OK don't we think wilgy is cecil?

If by "we," you mean the royal we, then yes.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:22 pm I mean, we all know who wilgy is.

I guess I missed that day at school, because I haven't civ-cleared Wilgy by any means.

Updated rainbow list

INH
Speedchuck
Sprityo
Quin
Boomslang
TonyStarkPrime
Dom
Wilgy
Epignosis
Ricochet

I'd personally much rather see Epi go, as he's been someone I've had a negative read of for a while. Boomslang's been quiet, and what he has posted, I don't necessarily disagree with. If this ends up not panning out, I'm gonna be looking at Wilgy and company for endorsing it.

I don't get why Boomslang instead of Ricochet, is what I'm trying to say.

I haven't been able to post a large amount today, but, barring any sudden loss of life or perception-altering event, I'm gonna be campaigning against Ricochet during Day 6.

This day's quietude is letting people slip n' slide on by.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:41 pm Hoping to hear from INH, DrWilgy and Epi today

I'm here and not cursed/silenced or what have you.

I'll try and do an updated rainbow list at some point today.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:36 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:33 pm If Ricochet was physically capable of using words to communicate with his peers, I'd like for him to explain why, if I was on the same team as Elochin, I'd bring her up suddenly during Day 3, and campaign for her to be lynched, injecting her name into the conversation when no one else really cared about her. Even then, when she flipped, she'd come up as town, rendering any town cred utterly worthless.

If Ricochet was physically capable of using words to communicate with his peers, I'd like for him to explain why, if I was on the same team as Elochin, I'd bring her up suddenly during Day 3, and campaign for her to be lynched, injecting her name into the conversation when no one else really cared about her. Even then, when she flipped, she'd come up as town, rendering any town cred utterly worthless.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:31 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:25 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:15 am I can't complain about that lynch.

I mean I'm not allowed. I could have voted for INH to stop it and I didn't.

Or Ricochet. You still could have voted for him.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:27 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:26 pm reasons should be obvious

I guess I'm just a moron, because I don't get them.

alternatively:

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:26 pm reasons should be obvious

I guess I'm just a moron, because I don't get them.

Can I just address the whole perception that me and sprit are a "team?"

It seemed to pop up multiple times over the course of the day.

We just seemed to have the same read on Elo and Rico, and that's it. No BTSC, no funny business.

These kinds of narratives that people push always make me a little nervous, especially when they're ones I know to be false.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:04 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:03 pm The last time TSP did a last-minute vote for me, a civilian got lynched.

Just sayin'.

Didn't LC get lynched?

LC got lynched.

Oh yeah. Correction.

Last time TSP did a last-minute vote for me, a baddie almost got saved.

The last time TSP did a last-minute vote for me, a civilian got lynched.

Just sayin'.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:57 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:47 pm So, Jack, your explanation on the vehement opposition to the rico lynch, initially, was just that in the moment you feared a runaway lynch for bad reasons and you didn't want that to happen? But, now you are open to the idea rico could be bad, so you are backing off how vehement you were a bit?

Yeah, basically.



@INH

I am super interesting and not a mean person and I have seen a couple naked women.

Stop picking on me.

You first.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:41 pm That's crap on the INH list. His top townies were basic non participants (at the time) because they hadn't said anything suspicious yet. That's not remotely helpful.

Okay, now you're just being willfully ignorant.

The top three were Boom, Sprit, and Quin. None of which are inacts. I admitted that I'm not good at townreading people. You ignore literally everything else I've done, and find one negative thing about a rainbow list, which isn't even accurate.

And you think Golden tunneling? Buddy, you're vice president of the goddamn Boring Company.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:40 pm I don't love how split the voting is getting.

Isn't the conventional logic that the more split the vote, the more likely to catch a baddie, due to them being psyched out and not able to control the narrative?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:07 pm Why Rico over Wilgy?

Great question. First off, he's relentlessly pushed a narrative that I cursed him, which I know to be false, and doesn't really make sense anyway.

He's called pretty much every single person who has suspected him mafia, including both you and Golden. There doesn't seem to be a clear way in which the people he suspects actually fit into teams, so it seems like a pretty transparent NO U sitch. Also, unlike Wilgy, people actually pay attention to Rico.

And there's also the matter of him antagonizing people outright. If you're the type to lynch someone due to annoyance, there you go.

I'd say that my "primary contribution" was, for better or worse, the Elochin lynch.

Secondary contribution: Stopping the curse based hysteria, and preventing the mafia from directly dictating who we lynch.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:25 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:06 pm Jack, I really want to understand - why should I buy your defences of rico? The only reason he is less likely a politician than inh and sprit is surely because he says so? It seems like the argument is 'because rico says inh and sprit are politician, this is more likely than rico being politician'. I have trouble with the logic here and I want you to explain it.

Rico's primary contribution has been "INH is bad" and INH's primary contribution has been "Wie is me. Stop trying to lynch me. Rico's secondary contribution has been the LC vote analysis. INH's secondary contribution has been to say non posters are least suspicious.

So I'm a vacuum, I trust Rico over INH. Stupid fake post restriction doesn't change that, though I think it IS an anti town strategy.

So at that point, Golden and Sprityo float the idea that Rico is the bad one and INH is good. Okay but wtf do you think INH is the good one? This looks like a politician ploy to lynch the guy who won't defend himself properly, complete with an "angry" Sprityo vote like "whoops no takebacksies." So I'm super convinced I need to be on Rico's side and I'll strong arm some people to keep a fellow townie from being lynched.

But since Eloh was a politician, it means that if INH is a politician, he has no buddies so this isn't a politician ploy. If INH is Strex, It didn't show much in the poll where LC got lynched. Plus Golden is definitely not Strex and I wanna say I have reason to believe Sprityo isn't, either. (Will double check.)

So now I'm back to Rico and INH in a vacuum. I still prefer an INH lynch but I'm not as certain Rico is the good one.

Like 60-35 instead of 80-20.

srsly?

do i need to repost my old posts so you can read them?

because this is how you get me to flood the thread with reposts of myself.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:47 pmAre you trying to lynch mafia or people annoying you?

I'm going to be completely honest about my mafia philosophy.

Lynching annoying people is pro-town, even if they are town. They derail the thread and make it significantly easier for the mafia to hide.

Rico's behaviour is objectively anti-town, no matter what his role card is.

If I was the kind of person that makes South Park references, specifically to that one scene where Randy Marsh is escorted away by the police while saying "I thought this was America!," I'd use one here to describe Rico's gameplay philosophy.

Also if someone were to find, say, a certain three-letter strategy annoying, could they use it as a motive to lynch someone? Who decides who is annoying? Who watches the proverbial watchment?

Much like those kids who bullied James Dean in Rebel Without A Cause, or Tommy Wiseau in The Room, Ricochet called me a chicken and provoked me into voting for him, which means that I can't react to any new-bandwagon shenanigans Golden or company may want to pull.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:47 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:45 pm Also if Sprityo is actually bad, and is buddying me in order to make me look like a politician, and make him look innocent after I'm mislynched, I'm gonna laugh really hard.

And yet...

Wouldn't you have taken a step back for a moment after Jack's vehement opposition to rico's lynch, rather than rushed in?

Nope. And exactly how long would a step back take in your mind? At what point would it be considered kosher for him to vote Rico?

You obviously give a lot more credit to vague-ass "vehement opposition" than I do, with taking Rico's suspicion of me, and Jack's defense of Rico at face value, at least to a certain degree.

I guess I just don't believe hard enough to convince anyone to vote with me. I just try and use stupid friggin' words, and explain all of my suspicions and opinions extensively, like a total chump.

Also if Sprityo is actually bad, and is buddying me in order to make me look like a politician, and make him look innocent after I'm mislynched, I'm gonna laugh really hard.

things i find annoying:

golden voting me because of POE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rico posting in emoji and going after me for 3 whole day phases

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:34 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:32 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:27 pm Having said that, I'm restraining myself because I want to win, and given Jack's very vehement position, Sprit's vote for Rico feels way off for me and I tend to think INH and sprit as politicans is likely to be correct. Sprit in particular, but it looks like INH is the better vote for today, so probably heading that way.

Who has two thumbs and is willing to use words to respond to people who suspect him?

This guy, that's who.

Please explain the reasoning behind why you think me and Sprit are politicians. Is it Curse-based nonsense, or me not hunting-based nonsense?

Fill me in, why don't you.

POE, frankly. I'm spreadsheeting pretty carefully this game and I have most town roles filled. Not to say they all must be correct, but I'm feeling fairly good about most of them.

Sprit more likely than you, because he should have taken the same pause that I did after Jack so vehemently defended rico, instead of rushing right in. But his rushing right in vote for rico looks like an implied defence of you.

Goddamn Edgar Allen always fucks me over.

I apologize for us playing differently. I wish you wouldn't take that as an invitation to vote for me.

Like two ships in the night, I guess.

And people wonder why I fucking despise POE with every iota of my being.

It's not because it doesn't work in general. It's that it doesn't work with me.

I've voiced my opinions, I've gone after people I believed to be baddies. If that isn't enough for you, I'm not sure what else I can do other than shake my head in disapproval of your gameplay and post "Told you so" in dead red after the EOD.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:31 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:30 pm Eh, to be honest, I have much more of a problem with the content of his posts than I do with the way in which he delivers them.

Emojis are about as helpful as Vompatti-speak, to make a comparison.

I'm not voting for Ricochet because he posts in emojis.

I'm voting for him because he's bad.

guys i'm beginning to think this ricochet guy thinks I'm bad.

i sure wish he'd elaborate on his views of me through some sort of communicative effort

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:27 pm Having said that, I'm restraining myself because I want to win, and given Jack's very vehement position, Sprit's vote for Rico feels way off for me and I tend to think INH and sprit as politicans is likely to be correct. Sprit in particular, but it looks like INH is the better vote for today, so probably heading that way.

Who has two thumbs and is willing to use words to respond to people who suspect him?

This guy, that's who.

Please explain the reasoning behind why you think me and Sprit are politicians. Is it Curse-based nonsense, or me not hunting-based nonsense?

Fill me in, why don't you.

Eh, to be honest, I have much more of a problem with the content of his posts than I do with the way in which he delivers them.

Emojis are about as helpful as Vompatti-speak, to make a comparison.

I'm not voting for Ricochet because he posts in emojis.

I'm voting for him because he's bad.

Ricochet's posts are like an Avalanches record, what with the cutting up of others' posts and synthesizing them into something their authors' never intended.

Do me next.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:56 pm Golden or Sprityo voting Rico will cause me to scumread them.

I already scumread INH so his vote is fine

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:50 pm

This is completely right. All we need is to put it in a tunnel, and it's a perfect microcosm of your entire game.

I think Ricochet's eyes have been in that position for so long that they've gotten stuck.

He needs to see a medical professional.

k


Ricochet

Ricochet right now:

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:57 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:45 pm PERSON I'D MOST LIKE TO LYNCH: Ricochet.

You wanna talk about people who aren't hunting? What about the dude who communicates solely through emojis and has just been harping on the same goddamn dude for the the majority of the game?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:53 pm Vote INH

"Is it future or is it past?"

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:55 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:45 pm feel free to ask me about them, or ignore them completely if they don't fit your pre-chosen narrative about me.

Boomslang
Sprityo
Quin

Curious about your top three here. Everyone seems to have a stronger read on Boomslang than I do. I don't get it.

Sprit I can see, but I was wondering what your theory is regarding post gimmicks in general. Who on your bad reads do you think would have done it, and why isn't that sprit? You know these guys better than me.

And how do you have a read at all on Quin/Neverwhere?

Some people are able to look at mafia games from the perspective of looking for townie qualities in other players. I'm honestly not really able to do that, which is to my detriment as a player. So my top three aren't exactly the "most trustworthy" in my eyes, more like the "least objectionable."

Nothing I've seen from Boomslang and Quin has made me think they could be bad, and I can see negative aspects for everyone below them more than I can those two.

I'd definitely like to see more from both of them.

Sprit is a little bit complicated. He's by far the player that I agree with the most, so I'm disposed towards him. Still can't silence the little voice in my mind saying that's not enough to townread someone, but hey.

Moving on to JoH's queries.

TSP has gotten me all flummoxed, which is what usually happens when a player does some shady stuff, and is then widely condemned in the thread, with no one really defending him. It feels too easy, y'know what I mean?

Which is why I'm inclined to believe his hints at being the Man In The Tan Jacket. It'd explain a lot of the weird circumstances surround his failed lynch, as Tan Jacket is a character in WTNV with a bunch of crazy shit going on. Leaning indie, in case that wasn't clear.

With Ricochet, his content is all reactionary, which is all it can be when posting solely in abstract emotive cartoons.

If this game were a family, Ricochet would be the kooky uncle that sits in the back spouting gibberish and is more-or-less tolerated by the rest of the family who go about their business like ostensible adults.

He's put himself in a situation where there's not a lot of expectation of him to do very much, so when he exceeds the low bar we've set for him, we all shower him with treats.

Ignoring the schtick and the context, his actual reads aren't really inspiring to me.

He thinks I'm scum, and this is the third day in a row he's voted for me, so he seems pretty concrete in that assertation.

He also thinks TSP is bad, which seems to be the group consensus.

Other scumreads include both Golden AND Dom, which would be nice for him to expound upon, if he was so motivated to. Seems like a "why not both" shrug of a read straight out of an American taco shell commercial. Also, Sprityo, who happens to be one of my townreads. So yeah.

Not a lot that I can get behind, LC vote-analysis or no. His "#CONTENT" is similar to that of a sixteen year old YouTube vlogger.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:45 pm INH
Boomslang
Sprityo
Quin
Speedchuck
JOH
Dom
Wilgy
Golden
TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis
Ricochet

added pretty colors.

hues are not indicative of relative suspicion

updated rainbow list of reads

feel free to ask me about them, or ignore them completely if they don't fit your pre-chosen narrative about me.

INH
Boomslang
Sprityo
Quin
Speedchuck
JOH
Dom
Wilgy
Golden
TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis
Ricochet

PERSON I'D MOST LIKE TO LYNCH: Ricochet.

You wanna talk about people who aren't hunting? What about the dude who communicates solely through emojis and has just been harping on the same goddamn dude for the the majority of the game?