The Syndicate

I'm gonna go to bed before Long Con agitates me further.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:02 am We're all still Standing. Whatchoo want boi? I'm really happy for you that you got the coolest secret role, and have had lots of power to flex, but you would laugh at my role. It doesn't make me win.

Give me a strategy that makes me win and I'll listen. And you can't judge my earnestness.

You aren't on the Primes.

You cannot win with the Primes.

Therefore, you have no reason to support the Primes.

Therefore, you need to eliminate the Primes to win.

Therefore, you should vote against the Primes if you'd like to win.

Occam's Razor.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:58 am

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:57 am Why is it that people on the Syndicate can't play LTS or LMS games without either acting like townies and dauntlessly supporting one team/group of people, or giving up at some point?

Is it too much to ask that people in a fucking Last Team Standing game earnestly try to win for their actual team?

inh who are you even talking about here

Multiple people including yourself.

You were working with the Primes because, to use your own words, they were nice to you and you knew them from previous games. They killed sig and Epi, your two teammates, and you still worked with them. I have bent over backwards trying to get you to turn on them by pointing out the obvious: they won't let you win. And now you're saying you don't care about winning? That you're perfectly willing to sacrifice your own game and your teammates games? That playing this way is something you both enjoy and respect?

I'm sorry, but everything you've said is a load of horsepucky.

I honestly cannot fathom your mindset.

I've been stuck on shitty teams, in (mostly) shitty roles for the entire game, fighting against the dominant alliance despite knowing I'll probably lose. I still try my hardest. I may constantly complain, but at least I don't give up.

Why is it that people on the Syndicate can't play LTS or LMS games without either acting like townies and dauntlessly supporting one team/group of people, or giving up at some point?

Is it too much to ask that people in a fucking Last Team Standing game earnestly try to win for their actual team?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:20 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:14 pm the more things change the more things stay the same, y'know?

So, you don't have a team, so no chance to get or steal a kill?

Nope. 24 hours of thumb twiddling.

the more things change the more things stay the same, y'know?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:49 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:23 pmKeep this shit actually interesting. Vote Kylemii.

I resent the implication that I haven't been making things interesting :/

Not when you let the Primes win.

also, lol, my power got stolen again.

someone will probably keep stealing my power every even night and using it to kill non-prime people.

So, I'm basically as big a threat as a regular non-primer, and in fact indirectly kind of help out the Primes anyway.

this fucking game always finds a way to fuck me over

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:00 pm Why are the two amusing players up to being lynched? What am I going to enjoy watching if these two die?

The answer is, unfortunately, the thing that seemed like it obviously was going to happen from about halfway through the game.

Keep the game actually a game, and the next few days a battle instead of a victory lap for the Primes.

Keep this shit actually interesting. Vote Kylemii.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:26 pm So is this day just gonna end quietly or are we gonna surge in posts during the last 4 hours?

Considering the US Holiday, it'll probably be the former. All I can really do is lobby [mention]DrWilgy[/mention] and, I guess, now [mention]sprityo[/mention] to force a tie, keep me in the game, and hopefully through some fuckery I somehow live to see another day.

My best pitch is that tying the game makes it more interesting, and keeps it competitive between the Primes and Non-Primes. This loud, increasingly messy conflict allows a lot of people to just squeak on by (lookin' at you [mention]Quin[/mention], [mention]colonialbob[/mention], [mention]DrWilgy[/mention], and [mention]Sloonei[/mention].)

I'm a big, flashing, neon-colored target, and keeping me in the game, at least for now, is a boon to everyone who doesn't want to take my place as the next big target.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:39 pm You never answered me, INH.

I'm gonna assume you're referring to this post from the far-off times of yesterday. Not at all relevant to what's happening now, but you must be concerned that your hold on Kyle is weakening and that he might go against you, so you need to discredit me in his eyes, prompting you to bring up some old bullshit that you know is irrelevant, but you still hope it's enough to make Kyle distrust me enough to not go against you.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:12 am

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:47 pm This is the only peace and trust offering you're going to get from me, LC. Take it or leave it.

You wanna lynch Kylemii, and in return you agree that you will never lynch me and your team will never nightkill me. Do I have that straight?

HERE'S THE CONTEXT. (I know Primes have a preternatural disgust with context, but I have no such issues.)

This was before I was fully outed as Room 101, and before I admitted to my win condition.

My pitch was this: Kyle showed that he's willing to backstab people, making him an unreliable threat that neither the non-Primes, nor the Primes can fully trust, meaning that both of them will at some point have to kill him. I proposed that we should just get it out of the way now, as he was possibly the one person that would benefit both sides to eliminate.

This was a weak, dumb plan.

You responded to it like you respond to most things: intentionally ignoring the true meaning of the content, and warping it into something you can use to push your agenda. You used it to paint me as unreliable even to the non-Primes in order to get them to fall in line behind you in lynching me. You asked a rhetorical question, ignoring what I actually meant, knowing that I wouldn't respond to you.

And lo, you sarcastically bring it back up again, misrepresenting my words yet again, hoping to discredit me and sabotage my gameplay by warping my words again.

My answer:

Or you could vote LC. Which would result in him being lynched, and not you.

Why are you so hesitant to make a smart, self-protective move?

Do I need to repost my arguments to get you to respond to them?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:17 pm What should I do INH?

Vote LC.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:12 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:03 pm INH.... I already have everything I want, living is just a bonus. My life is my own to use as I please.

I don't care about primes or non primes or any of that. Beyond specific friends and allies who should know who they are, its been mostly a means to an end. This isn't about that.

I want you dead because you've threatened me and hurt my interest at every opportunity.

Ya coulda fooled me. It seems that all of your specific friends and allies happen to be Primes. What a funny coinici-dink!

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:05 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:51 pm As I see it, you have two options, Kyle.

You can either:

1. Kill me and wait for the Primes to kill you.
2. Help to lynch LC and still have a chance at winning the game. Not a very good chance, but more than you'd get by going with the Primes, and certainly a better chance than I have at winning.

What are you proposing, we team up and fight injustice like the Super Friends?

You can vote for me, and play the game for other people. Or, you can vote for LC and play the game for yourself. Take your pick.

EBWOP

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:10 pm for the first time in like two months this thread is interesting to read

SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU STAND UP TO THE PRIMES

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:03 pm INH.... I already have everything I want, living is just a bonus. My life is my own to use as I please.

I don't care about primes or non primes or any of that. Beyond specific friends and allies who should know who they are, its been mostly a means to an end. This isn't about that.

I want you dead because you've threatened me and hurt my interest at every opportunity.

Ya coulda fooled me. It seems that all of your specific friends and allies happen to be friends. What a funny coinici-dink!

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:05 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:51 pm As I see it, you have two options, Kyle.

You can either:

1. Kill me and wait for the Primes to kill you.
2. Help to lynch LC and still have a chance at winning the game. Not a very good chance, but more than you'd get by going with the Primes, and certainly a better chance than I have at winning.

What are you proposing, we team up and fight injustice like the Super Friends?

You can vote for me, and play the game for other people. Or, you can vote for LC and play the game for yourself. Take your pick.

As I see it, you have two options, Kyle.

You can either:

1. Kill me and wait for the Primes to kill you.
2. Help to lynch LC and still have a chance at winning the game. Not a very good chance, but more than you'd get by going with the Primes, and certainly a better chance than I have at winning.

Linki: Or alternately, why don't you wake up from the fuckin' Matrix, and kill LC?

I'll vote for him if you do.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:31 pm I supported the prime group because they were kind and were using every tool at their disposal to win. I respect that. The group also contained most of the players I knew from before and that appealed to me, cus who doesn't want to play with friends? As room 101 and as a voter you killed SD and JC.

If the primes allow you to live then they allow a serial killer hell bent on eliminating them to continue operating. Same serial killer responsible for killing.... how many of them?That longer fulfills condition A or B.

I'm just interested in the levels of self-deception required for you to:

A. Know that the Primes will kill you.
B. Sacrifice your game in order to help them win.
C. Dedicate yourself to killing their biggest threat.
D. Try as hard as possible to make the game as dull as possible.

Wake the fuck up, dude.

Y'know the real reason why this game is so very, very shit? It's because a bunch of smart intelligent players, like Kyle and Daisy, decided not to care about winning, and instead propped up a bunch of fuck-o's who talk a lot and brag about themselves.

Can you imagine what this game would be like if everyone involved earnestly tried to win the game for their actual teams? God, it'd be fantastic! It'd probably be one of my favorite games. Instead, G-Man ballsed it all up with some dubious decisions that made people not care, and here we are.

I know that selling you on this is a bit of a long shot, but Kyle, why don't you just kill yourself? It'd be the first respectable move you've made this entire game.

Actually Kyle, the more that I think about it, a tie would be the best thing for your game. As long as I'm around, the Primes would prioritize killing me over killing you.

yo primes, you should totes just tie this poll up and keep me and kyle both around so we can yell at each other for the rest of the game

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:21 pm what are you even talking about

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:13 pm No matter which one of us gets lynched today either some players I support get closer to victory or the endgame gets vastly more contested.

This is what I was talking about. I'm arguing that you should prioritize the latter over the former.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:16 pm You keep comparing me to Game of Thrones character Littlefinger, who by the way would be amazing at mafia, but your speech is dripping with manipulation too, don't you think?

If you pull this off today I sincerely hope you win.

Yes, I'm trying to manipulate you, but I'm not lying about how I'm secretly on your side. From the start of Phase 2, I've had a concrete set-in-stone position. I'm anti-Prime. I've never wavered from that. However, you, compadre, are a flip-flop crossed with a strobe light.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:13 pm I don't actually care how I die. I'm not worried about that.

I care about informing players about the real consequences of their actions.

No matter which one of us gets lynched today either some players I support get closer to victory or the endgame gets vastly more contested.

Wouldn't you rather make the game more interesting with your death as opposed to more boring? Because that's what I'm dedicating my game to. I just don't understand why you're willing to piss away your own game and make the game way more predictable, because why? Because the Primes are nice to you? Did LC give you a great cake recipe or something?

You said it yourself:

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:00 pm Trust is useless. You can't use trust.

So why are you throwing your game away because you really really trust and support a select group of people?

The more I learn about the Primes the more they sound like a cult.

Just because they went to the effort to indoctrinate you, Kyle, doesn't mean you have to drink the poisoned Kool-Aid.

Actually, I'd love it if LC voted Kyle, and we had a 6-6 split tie and nobody died. That'd be the biggest shitshow possible.

Would you rather die a hero, or live like one more day and die a sniveling Prime sycophant coward?

The Primes ain't gonna save you, Kyle. Neither are the non-primes. You need to make a better move, duder.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:43 pm I understand non primes wanting to lynch me over inh, that's actually the best move for you. I'm not even gonna argue against it.

For the Primes, INH is the only living threat to achieving your win condition, and vastly endangers your survival...

With him still active, 3 people die tonight. I'm not positive if you still have the 5's or 6's locked down, but if inh still lives one of them will be you.

I've done the math, if you can minimize casualties tonight you can win the game in 3 days and 3 nights, given that you already know the last member of the crazy 8's and will inherit their kill if you eliminate them on the way.

The votes are already fairly even, and you know I have invested interest in voting with the Primes now. You keep INH alive even one more night by lynching me and you risk losing thread majority. For what purpose?

It's objectively the wrong move.

Kyle, you know that you'll probably die anyway if I'm lynched today. Why you gotta be such a scheming Littlefiger jerk about it?

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:37 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:33 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:32 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:30 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:30 pm Trying to get this closer to a tie.

Ah, a man of fine taste.

Gotta keep things interesting.

There's that word again!

It's time to play everyone's favorite game: IGNORANT OR PRIME SUPPORTER?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:19 pm Hey INH, if you don't die today I might have something for you.

uh huh.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:04 pm I'm honestly disappointed things turned out this way inh, we could have done some cool stuff together.

I ain't your Eddard Stark, buddy-boy.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:00 pm @primes please consider:

Someone who kills every night and has declared war against you is much more dangerous than someone with a dubious voting record who you now have on a leash.

Trust is useless. You can't use trust.

You can use me though. You can't use him.

is it just me or is everything coming out of kyle's mouth right now sounding like a Littlefinger speech?

he isn't gonna start talking about how chaos is a ladder, is he?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:49 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:42 pm @Quin @colonialbob

You should reconsider your choices

And everyone else should weigh in too, aka

@Long Con (who I bet is gonna side with the primes)
@MovingPictures07
@Sloonei
@DrWilgy
@Dragon D. Luffy

Y tho. I don't trust INH at all, frankly.

There's an easy way to make me not a threat to you: Vote for Primes.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:53 pm I guess we're killing Kylemii then?

linki: That's not how any of this works. Kill every night > inherited nightkills that apparently don't work on INH. It's a strict advantage.

Though I'm curious: Can you kill once there are no teams left? Room 101 is about choosing between self and friend. If every team is 1 person, do you lose your power?

Genuinely unsure about this.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:48 pm I still don't like his presence in a LMS scenario, tho.

Hate THE GAME, not the player. Also there are so many 1 person teams left in the game right now that it's not like I'm anything special.

If I promised to kill someone every other night, would that help things?

Also due to the kill steal mechanics, I'm probably not the only one with a kill every night. Just some brain-food for ya.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:45 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:22 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:09 pm Room 101 has also killed non primes in equal measure. He's dangerous.

Stop spreading bullshit.

Sig was not a prime or a prime ally and was probably one of the strongest anti prime supporters, why did you kill him?

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:22 pm Yes, I'm 101. I have a nightly kill. I have been using that kill against Primes. It was stolen from me and used against Sig on Night 28.

Read my posts, darling. I have a hankering that you knew I had my kill stolen and used against one of my allies, and are trying to discredit me for it. You can keep pushing that angle all you want, friend-o.

this is maybe the most frustrated I've ever been by a mafia game. This is also the least amount of fun I've ever had playing a mafia game.

Kyle, I knew you were a snake from the time I was on your team. You were working with Daisy. I was working with Daisy too, but I stopped after Phase 2 began, because I knew that I couldn't win with the Primes dominating.

Kyle made an alliance with me, sig, and Epi, yet I knew he also had an alliance with Daisy and the Primes. I was watching him throughout Phase 2 to see whether he would flip on me. That's a big reason why I went after Daisy, was to see if I could trust him. Then, he flipped against Speedchuck, and I understood that he betrayed me. That's why my vote is on him, and that's why I'd like to see him go today instead of myself.

My win condition is LMS. Not likely to happen. Mainly I just want the Primes to lose, and someone else to win, just for something fucking interesting to happen is this fucking godforsaken game

at this point, I'm just going balls-out, because it's a win-win situation. If I stay alive, great, but if I die, I get to stop playing this shitty fucking game. Either one would make me happy.

i really fucking hate this fucking game so much

Okay, fuck it. For the second time this game, G-Man accidentally killed me and outed my role. You can probably guess my feelings in this area.

Yes, I'm 101. I have a nightly kill. I have been using that kill against Primes. It was stolen from me and used against Sig on Night 28.

I have no plans to use the kill on anyone other than Primes and Primes supporters until I die which, let's face it, will probably be pretty soon.

It's up to you and your game whether you want someone alive killing the Primes. I can see why the Primes want me out, but I'm not certain why anyone else gives a shit.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:09 pm Room 101 has also killed non primes in equal measure. He's dangerous.

Stop spreading bullshit.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:11 pm Speed does have a point. Sure we should eliminate the primes, but so far we seem to be doing a superb job at it. How many are left? 2? 3?

We have their kills and lynches failing, they keep getting murdered and Room 101 is also helping.

Meanwhile Room 101 is also killing non primes and INH is doing that Rico thing where he puts everyone except him on a must-eliminate list.

Eventually we're gonna have to start killing each other, prime or non prime. I'm not sure if I want to have Room 101 alive then.

The question is whether Speed is telling the truth or not. He doesn't give me a good reason to believe him tbh.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:19 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:11 pm INH is doing that Rico thing where he puts everyone except him on a must-eliminate list.

This ^^^

If you believe he's working to eliminate the people he's eliminating for the good of everybody else I've got a bridge with a number of supports that's not evenly divisible by any numbers except one and itself to sell you.

(Him going after Kyle today is what cemented that thought in my mind, and the revelation that's he's apparently room 101 confirms it.)

I'm not putting everyone on a must-eliminate list. Right now, the list is the Primes, LC, and Kyle. Everyone else I don't have anything against. No, I'm not motivated for some altrustic reason to vote out these people. I genuinely believe they need to go to improve my game.

I know the Primes are doing an all our smear campaign, but I hope people actually read stuff before just going with their bullshit.

And yes, I know he's probably formed some BTSC alliance with you and the Primes.

It wasn't the first or only one he's tried to make, and it won't be the last.

You don't want to be caught with your proverbial drawers down when he screws you over.

[mention]Long Con[/mention]

You and I haven't really seen eye to eye...at all this entire game. But I'd like to set aside the hostilities and level with you. You know and I know that Kyle is not to be relied upon. He isn't going to help the Primes win the game, and he isn't going to help the Non-Primes win the game. He is, to use some very evocative language, an "independent party."

Now he's using some weird game mechanic scapegoat to take the heat off himself. You and I, despite being stranded on lonely teams which cannot win with others, have attempted to form alliances to try and better our chances, as is our prerogative. It benefits both of us to eliminate this fence-sitting variable.

This is the only peace and trust offering you're going to get from me, LC. Take it or leave it.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:21 pm If you all don't mind I'd like to take today to prioritize destroying Room 101.

Room 101 has been killing players from both sides of the line. Room 101 creates an aspect of uncertainty and I will not tolerate it.

Hows abouts instead of doing what Kyle wants, we all do what we want?

You're the biggest aspect of uncertainty in this game, Kyle. You're the one playing both sides, and you're the one that none of us, bar the dearly departed sig and Epi, trust.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:26 am inh you have it all wrong and I don't know how to explain it...

this isn't about trust or protection or betrayal or any of that

I voted for spirityo because it was the best move I could make at the time for the furthering of my own self-interest

it has nothing to do with primes or non-prime or any of that

Well, it seems that your self-interest is now actively harming my self-interest.

But yeah, if you want to play the ol' vague bullshit which you can't tell me about card, I'm afraid it doesn't seem to be worth much at this point.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:51 pm maybe the real Mafia...... was the friends we made along the way.

maybe you're screwing me over for no real reason, and it's going to get us both dead.

when did every other player except me start employing this tired, condescending, lazy-ass, apathy-induced brand of cheap snark in order to deflect from actual in-thread gameplay talk?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:32 pm Primes were dangerous because they're a team with allies accross other teams, so we tried to counter that strategy by making an anti-prime alliance across several teams.

Did we ever stop to think..... "What if both sides of this are equally bad and dangerous???"

So, you're confirming what I thought the whole time.

You were playing both sides, willing to jump ship to either group the second it became convenient for you to do so.

Unfortunately, even if the Primes do kill all the non-primes, you'll be on the bottom of their totem pole, and an easy-ass sacrifice.

You know what happens to fence sitters? They get impaled.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:01 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:57 pm INH'S SHITLIST:

Primes
Prime Allies
Kyle

He said I wasn't cool so I had to kill him. That's just the way it is sometimes. :\ my hands were tied. I had no choice. I don't make the rules.

Uh huh.

Unfortunately, this means that I now don't really trust you. At all. Sorry, I know that's a little harsh, but you tried to vote out a non-prime to protect a prime, betraying a long-time alliance. That burns a bridge between you and me. I don't make the rules.