The Syndicate

DH was bad? Ha, he was my only legit townread. I probably would have killed him night 7 if I had rotated towards getting the kill.

Fun Fact: self-voting for the flamethrower wasn't allowed, a fact that I figured out only after attempting to self-vote during Night 6. Apparently I was the first (and only) player to even try.

Well poop.

Scum team is TH and DDL most likely. Or fuck it, maybe it’s DH. I feel like sometimes I can have a bit of a blind spot when it comes to him, because out of everyone on the site, I relate to his mafia gameplay mindset the most. He’s been given the flamethrower 3 times, and burned a human every time. At what point do we start kiiiinda considering him?

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] what’s the likelihood of DH being scum?

inb4 elo was right all aloooong

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:01 pm Hey Jack. Let's play a game.

What would you say is the defining difference is between your civ and scum playing/posting strategies?

EBWOP

Hey Jack. Let's play a game.

What would you say the defining difference is between your civ and scum playing/posting strategies?

Did a speedy ISO of both DDL and TH. Both were...decidedly meh.

DDL supported Sprit and attacked Luna over the first couple of Days. Ever since Day 3-ish, he sank into what feels like apathy about the game. Not really a drive to solve shit, more like a drive to remain under the radar. Jack did a good in-depth write-up on him. (although when he refers to himself in the third person it creeps me out.)

TH feels like regular lackadaisical TH, but with even less of a normal drive to solve. His formidable powers of irreverence seem to be used for obfuscation instead of a more noble goal. He does call people out, and make an effort to stir shit with a giant stick. But, here on Day 6, with a potential LYLO, he looks fairly insincere.

welp. I'm more than a little baffled about where to go now.

Gonna try and do some light ISO work later today on Jack, TH, and DDL. Jack's someone I've had some issues with previously, while TH and DDL are people I haven't really scrutinized in all that much depth.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:56 pm It must be 3-3 and G-Man is waiting on the kill?

I guess there's the possibility that the mafia accidentally kills one of their own.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:57 pm I will hear everyone out.

Right now, who would be your top three candidates for being turned into a Flambé?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:34 pm Give me the flamethrower.

If I voted for you to get the flamethrower, would you hear me out before char-broiling me?

balls

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:26 pm Dude.....you told people they had to do this or that or they would be torched. And your tone was that of Negan. Then, people just did what you said.

elo's tunneling of DH is beginning to give me Survivor Mafia flashbacks.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:57 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:38 pm Jack's "case" against me is itself pretty goddamn surface. Like I said before, it's all either dismissive gut reads or stuff about me not "pursuing reads" and "silently holding onto" opinions which can be easily explained by me not having a ton of mafia time over the time period that JoH is complaining about. I cannot see how anyone other than JoH can really see merit in it.

Colin, what about this post is compelling enough to you to merit scumreading me and townreading JoH because of it?

The part about holding onto the suspicion without really acting on it, I guess, seems to resonate. That's how I feel about your approach to me as well and it's generally the kind of thing that doesn't seem town, which I think is a point I made earlier.

It's not like I disregarded my own suspicions. I'm not really sure what you mean by "really acting on it." That's one of those nonsense terms that's hard to actually define. Are you annoyed that I didn't storm into the thread and SUPATOWN all over people, making case against case to get my suspicions lynched? That's fairly stupid as barely anyone has engaged in that kind of behavior for the duration of this game, including yourself. I posted comparatively less about my suspicions during a couple of phases because I was busy in real life, and didn't have oodles of time to post. I don't think that's a smoking gun RE: scumminess.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:19 am Har. Dee. Har. Har. Har.

Not to ISO everyone.

I will try to get in here for some conversation time. Hopefully others will be in here too. On Saturdays I grocery shop at two different stores and today we have a family smash Bros tournament.

DDL...where have you been and what do you have to say for yourself?

INH...why were you so connected in the beginning of the game and now you are barely here like I knownyou to usually be?

DH...when will you drop the bullying act and act like a real leader? When you're actually civ? Okay...show me THAT.

Elohcin has had these strongly held beliefs about certain players which are utterly unjustified and don't really make sense. Nevertheless, she ignores everyone else's logic and plunges forward.

Things like:

- "DH is a bully blowhard." He isn't. He's probably the person trying the most in this game, and Elo has been constantly criticizing him the entire game for weaksauce reasons.
- "I'm usually low-activity. I was crazily active near the start of this game, and then reduced my activity." This is patently false. I don't really think I have an "activity meta." It depends on how much shit I have going on in my life. Very similar to how Elo talks about how she has things going on in her life which prevent her from posting often. I also have no idea how Elo interpreted my play early in this game as hyper-active supatown type stuff. ISO me and see for yourselves.
- That everyone else is hopelessly misguided and Elohcin has the only true unbiased perspective, and we all need to either get on her wavelength or accept defeat. Also, Elo will not compromise on her own opinions.

This shit is wack. Wack, I say. She falls into the baddie trap of seemingly starting with strong opinions about players and working backwards to come up with BS reasons for them.

All of her interactions with DH today have been fishy as hell. Right now, she's my strongest suspect.

[VOTE: elohcin] aubergine

I'm taking a page out of Colin's book and possibly doing a bit of a flippity flop on him after reading over his ISO activity over the last few phases. I do quite like his analysis that he's offered up today. It's the kind of thing I've been wanting from him the entire game.

There's one thing that I'd like some clarification on.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:36 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:45 pm INH’s iso is super short. He has opinions and he has reasoning for his opinions but they’re all pretty surface and mostly two phases old.

Like he’s after me for the Speedchuck burn but he’s made exactly one post about Speed, which was on Day 1. Him silently holding onto this read for three days and making a push based on it feels disingenuous.

His Colin case is okay. Like it’s not convincing but it feels okay. He (in his own words) “lazily” votes Colin again and that’s about it. He doesn’t really pursue the read.

I’d say maybe 60-70% chance INH is scum.

Yeah okay, I like this a lot.

Jack's in the town basket and INH is downgraded to scum basket.

Jack's "case" against me is itself pretty goddamn surface. Like I said before, it's all either dismissive gut reads or stuff about me not "pursuing reads" and "silently holding onto" opinions which can be easily explained by me not having a ton of mafia time over the time period that JoH is complaining about. I cannot see how anyone other than JoH can really see merit in it.

Colin, what about this post is compelling enough to you to merit scumreading me and townreading JoH because of it?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:55 pm What does scum want to do in this game? Not get burned. So scum can’t be suspect but scum also doesn’t want to be top town to avoid questions of “why is X not dead yet?”

Now, normal scum doesn’t have to worry about the later unless they bus and there are no other consensus townies. In this game, scum can accidentally lynch a partner....which might not actually make them townread.

But if it did, it would be bad. Does scum want to avoid pushing their suspects too hard? Avoid looking too pure?

INH kinda threads the needle between trying and not trying. But that’s probably not that far off typical INH behavior.

Probably no perspective read to be had here.

DH makes a good point about this post, in that it's a ton of hemming and hawing with no actual conclusion.

Not sure how anyone could really be convinced by JoH's posts here. To steal from his vocabulary, it's "pretty surface" stuff.

Nevertheless...

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:48 pm Feel better about Jack after that. Thinking INH next.

Hmm. Will attempt to do an ISO breakdown of Colin over the last few phases later today.

To be continued.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:45 pm INH’s iso is super short. He has opinions and he has reasoning for his opinions but they’re all pretty surface and mostly two phases old.

Like he’s after me for the Speedchuck burn but he’s made exactly one post about Speed, which was on Day 1. Him silently holding onto this read for three days and making a push based on it feels disingenuous.

His Colin case is okay. Like it’s not convincing but it feels okay. He (in his own words) “lazily” votes Colin again and that’s about it. He doesn’t really pursue the read.

I’d say maybe 60-70% chance INH is scum.

A lot of this is just weird dismissive gut opinions about my opinions that don't really get into detail. Apologies that my reasoning for my opinions is "pretty surface" and "okay."

The other part of this is "THIS PERSON DIDN'T POST FOR A WHILE WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY SUSPICIOUS."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:32 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:09 am INH'S SHITLIST OF SUSPECTS THAT HE WILL BE LOOKING AT IN THE FUTURE:

Colin
Elo
JoH (i mean what the fuck)

Maybe you should have weighed in yesterday.

Coming into a game criticizing mislynches and other demoralizing behavior is a scum tell imo.

Was it four games in a row I saw scum do that when it brought it up in Mega Man? I was right on DH. Now it’s five games. Or is it six, INH?

So people criticizing your decision is "demoralizing behavior?" You're the one who burned Speedchuck, and you're the sole person responsible. You can either own that or not.

I'm sorry that I was busy and unable to talk you out of a dumb decision that you privately made. You merely listed Speed in a post, before saying that you doubt he would want to kill Poutanko. Apologies that I wasn't able to infer that Speed was the person you wanted to kill, and that I wasn't able to clear my schedule yesterday to mount a passionate defense.

INH'S SHITLIST OF SUSPECTS THAT HE WILL BE LOOKING AT IN THE FUTURE:

Colin
Elo
JoH (i mean what the fuck)

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:18 pm I realize I'm reaching here, but I'm going on what I have. What I know of INH and playing mafia is that he usually doesn't care so much to make cases or make more on-topic than off-topic posts as he has this game. If INH is that serious at looking civ, it makes me wonder.

I keep reading this post over and over again, and it just keeps not making sense.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:59 pm I've not had a very good day today and so it's difficult to focus on mafia atm. I am going to vote INH. He is acting out of the ordinary with the amount of participation he is giving this game. It pings me.

How is my amount of participation "out of the ordinary?" Am I doing too much? Too little?

Popping in to drop a lazy vote on Colin. I still really like my case on him, and nothing else I've seen really trumps that for me.

Plus his whining about "muh meta" isn't helping at all.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:21 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:07 am DharmaHelper
Elohcin
poutanko
Quin
sprityo

I am treating the above five as town until I have a reason not to do so. DH is probably the weakest of those 5 townreads since I can see him campaigning like he did even as scum, but his implementation was REALLY pro-town when it didn't have to be.

Can you elaborate on that Quin townread? I can understand the other 4, but Quin is someone I'm a little bit confused on myself.

Gut.

I've literally never been wrong gut-reading Quin.

I've been wanting to see a little more from TH for a while now, so I'm willing to vote for him to get the flamethrower, partly to see how he steps up to the plate.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:07 am DharmaHelper
Elohcin
poutanko
Quin
sprityo

I am treating the above five as town until I have a reason not to do so. DH is probably the weakest of those 5 townreads since I can see him campaigning like he did even as scum, but his implementation was REALLY pro-town when it didn't have to be.

Can you elaborate on that Quin townread? I can understand the other 4, but Quin is someone I'm a little bit confused on myself.

THE GRAND BULLETPROOF CASE AGAINST COLIN

• His name: "Colin Is Cool." People who insist on their own hipness without allowing others to form their own positive impressions are usually pretty sad and/or evil.

• Colin has made 18 posts in the game so far. 6 + 6 + 6 = 18.

• He has two real types of posts in this game.
  • Ones where he states weak, unfounded, and unsupported opinions that he later walks back:

  ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:45 am Kinda feel like speed was trying to get the flamethrower and do that democracy thing because he’s bad and wanted town cred for a long con

  ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:57 am Speed very well could be good trying to win the game, I guess I was thinking of some recent games where he wasn’t acting like that as town (Hydra and U-Pick) but Courage he did, so, nevermind that.

  Makin' Flippy Floppy without actually giving any substantial opinions.
  

  ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:37 pm Luna good, DH good, Eloh good.

  ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:38 pm Actually, DH null.

  ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:43 pm I was thinking “DH kinda reminds me of what I saw in Mega Man and DH was good” but then I remembered ... DH was bad ... and then I remembered I’m bad at this anyway

  I honestly cannot even follow this thought process. There are words on the screen, and I'm reading them, but they don't mean anything. They're just there, existing.
  

  ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:12 pm Ok, I went back myself and did quick ISOing. Between DDL and Luna DDL certainly seems to be laying low more and tonally I don’t feel good about him like I do Luna, so, DDL.

  DH pointed out earlier how downright wack this post is. Colin gets walked through the dominant, popular case of the day after asking for a summary and then apparently makes a decision between Luna and DDL on who he'll vote to lynch. (Luna who mere posts ago was one of his two townreads.) He decides against DDL because of him "laying low"? What? Huh?
  
  • And posts where he lazily shrugs at criticisms and refuses to explain himself further:

  ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:46 am

  DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:20 pm On the slim chance that Lord Yo isn't feeling the DDL vote here is who I would suggest torching in order of preference.
  
  Collin
  Luna
  Doc/Mac.

  That ain’t it chief

  ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:09 am

  DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:57 am If anyone's wondering why Colin made the top of that list:
  

  ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:12 pm Ok, I went back myself and did quick ISOing. Between DDL and Luna DDL certainly seems to be laying low more and tonally I don’t feel good about him like I do Luna, so, DDL.

  This after asking the thread to hold his hand through a DDL case makes me think he just wanted a reason to vote for DDL, the popular option. "Laying low more"? Yeah bro he said he'd be gone all day. Tonally you feel better about him than Luna? That means nothing to me. Might as well be French.

  

  ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:24 pm

  insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:07 pm

  ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:35 pm I’m not bad, I’m bad at Mafia.

  Eh. The “Speed could be bad, wait, Speed could be good.” thing is annoying enough on a D1 where not much has happened and a DDL bandwagon seems to be leaving the station. Colin has been pushing weaksauce stuff against two people I’m kinda townreading rn: Speed and DH. I’ll put my vote on him for now, and perhaps move it if he elaborates on those feelings in a satisfactory way.

  Nope

  I mean, what the shit was the point of these responses? They're about as meaningful as a read receipt on iMessage. I can get shrugging at this kind of stuff if you're just a zany motherfucker like Wilgy/TH. Or, if you have strong cases against others that you'd rather focus on instead of self-defense. But this is just almost ostentatiously lazy. The last one really irks me, as it was mainly intended to get him to elaborate on opinions that seemed hella half-assed to me. Instead he disregards the entire thing.
  
  I guess I just, I dunno expect more from Colin as a civilian. And by more, I mean literally anything of substance. A literal iota of effort towards solving the game. Instead, there's shrug emojis and flip-flops.

[VOTE: COLINISCOOL] aubergine

dibs on Colin.

Will post case probably tomorrow at noon-ish.

poutanko wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:32 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:15 pm Assuming Sprit keeps his word and kills a non-voter, and assuming Mac doesn’t show up at the 11th Hour, this lynch is a done deal. I think the cases against Luna and DDL are interesting but still fairly weak. I’m poking around based on gut and seeing what happens, basically. Developing a possible list of suspects and feeling people out.

...you should start poking people around a bit earlier if you want to feel people out. You barely poked anyone

I’LL POKE WHO I WANT HOW I WANT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

In your own words, what’s the difference between your civilian and scum game?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:09 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:07 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:35 pm I’m not bad, I’m bad at Mafia.

Eh. The “Speed could be bad, wait, Speed could be good.” thing is annoying enough on a D1 where not much has happened and a DDL bandwagon seems to be leaving the station. Colin has been pushing weaksauce stuff against two people I’m kinda townreading rn: Speed and DH. I’ll put my vote on him for now, and perhaps move it if he elaborates on those feelings in a satisfactory way.

Bandwagons and moving votes and shit doesn't matter as much in this set up. What matters most here is the strength behind individual votes and cases. Am I wrong?

to actually answer your question, (apologies, hit submit too early) I think what matters most is identifying townreads and trustworthy folks, then getting them elected. You could have the most rock solid case and be completely ignored if Mr. Flamethrower is inclined towards something else.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:09 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:07 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:35 pm I’m not bad, I’m bad at Mafia.

Eh. The “Speed could be bad, wait, Speed could be good.” thing is annoying enough on a D1 where not much has happened and a DDL bandwagon seems to be leaving the station. Colin has been pushing weaksauce stuff against two people I’m kinda townreading rn: Speed and DH. I’ll put my vote on him for now, and perhaps move it if he elaborates on those feelings in a satisfactory way.

Bandwagons and moving votes and shit doesn't matter as much in this set up. What matters most here is the strength behind individual votes and cases. Am I wrong?

Assuming Sprit keeps his word and kills a non-voter, and assuming Mac doesn’t show up at the 11th Hour, this lynch is a done deal. I think the cases against Luna and DDL are interesting but still fairly weak. I’m poking around based on gut and seeing what happens, basically. Developing a possible list of suspects and feeling people out.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:35 pm I’m not bad, I’m bad at Mafia.

Eh. The “Speed could be bad, wait, Speed could be good.” thing is annoying enough on a D1 where not much has happened and a DDL bandwagon seems to be leaving the station. Colin has been pushing weaksauce stuff against two people I’m kinda townreading rn: Speed and DH. I’ll put my vote on him for now, and perhaps move it if he elaborates on those feelings in a satisfactory way.

I am officially upgrading Poutanko to GOOD VIBES status. I'm getting good vibes from them.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:45 am Kinda feel like speed was trying to get the flamethrower and do that democracy thing because he’s bad and wanted town cred for a long con

But Long Con isn't even playing this game?

Real talk tho: Speed's D0 campaigning strike me as exactly what civ Speed would do. He's my strongest read right now. All of my other opinions are clouded in ambiguity and he-said, she-said.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:09 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:02 am So should we reveal who we nominated at Day 0?

could be useful. i voted INH.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:12 am I originally voted INH and swapped to sprityo when G-Man said there was a tie.

Thanks folks. I see my strategy of not acting like I wanted to win at all worked like gangbusters.

I also appreciated G-Man's voice acting prowess

alrighty woo game time.

I really should probably watch The Thing at some point.

Here's my logic RE: flamethrower. I don't trust any of y'all right now. The way that I find out who to trust is by seeing how people vote in a lynch-type situation. So, I'd like to give the flamethrower to someone who will burn whoever the thread votes for on Day 1, so I can get as much info as possible. Which means, as much as I love the moxie of DH, TH, and Sprit, I'm going with Speed, mainly because I don't think he'd break his word about going with the top vote-getter, even if he was "assimilated."