The Syndicate

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:37 pm rip @Spacedaisy thanks for playing with us.

lol, @juliets , I'm wondering why I'm still alive too.

I can think of two reasons: they consider you a suspect or you're bad after all.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:06 am Spacedaisy kinda saved me. She told me to protect myself after I role claimed. I didn't clarify that self-targeting wasn't allowed, and maybe the mafia thought I would. Neither is double targeting, though, so I protected Luna on the off chance she's civ and Mafia would kill her before she could use her lie detect on anyone. That clearly didn't happen.

I have never been a doctor in all my mafia career and this game has been the worst in my civ power use history. I'm really sorry everyone.

Does your role protect from just kills or does it protect from any power?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 8:50 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 8:40 pm Goodbye Daisy, I am surprised to see you gone. Good game though, thanks for seeing my song hint.

So I have to ask, why is Luna still alive?

Are you asking this b/c you thought mafia would kill her? Cause that is what I was thinking. So she couldn't use her lie detect.

Yes, I thought she was gone for sure. I don't want to say any more though until we see what she has to say.

Looks like Daisy's power went through, LC's role is up.

And Epi, Hey Nineteen is there twice.

Goodbye Daisy, I am surprised to see you gone. Good game though, thanks for seeing my song hint.

So I have to ask, why is Luna still alive?

Isn't night supposed to be over by now?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 7:16 pm So, basically the sole purpose for a baddie having the lie detector role would be to make themselves look good upon claiming.

That seems to be what LC is saying.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 6:10 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 5:24 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 5:14 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 4:56 pmImo a bad lie detector would be pretty worthless for the mafia.

I just wanna quote this for posterity.

hahahaha...I could certainly be wrong. But really, how would they use that role? What utility does it have for them?

Well, they could, for instance, out themselves and then deceive the Civs in a crucial endgame situation.

ok I see what you mean.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 5:14 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 4:56 pmImo a bad lie detector would be pretty worthless for the mafia.

I just wanna quote this for posterity.

hahahaha...I could certainly be wrong. But really, how would they use that role? What utility does it have for them?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 4:53 pm And if Luna is bad?

Yeah, we have to consider that, though Imo a bad lie detector would be pretty worthless for the mafia. I know though, it may not matter that it's worthless it may still be mafia. We'll just have to use our judgement.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 4:22 pm I do not envy Luna picking who to LD here.

Hard choice.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 4:03 pm

Kites wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 9:30 am

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 9:06 am I participated yesterday and got pounded unfairly. I likely won't make that mistake again today unless there are several people involved in a discussion. I hope someone will step up and keep the conversation going. @Kites I have defended you twice now, I would appreciate hearing some of your thoughts about where we are.

I wish I had stuck with Eloh now. dunya kind of convinced me + speed doing the last minute reads based on roles (which seemed fake cos it’s been proven roles aren’t alignment indicative and lynching someone for not claiming is a weak reason) made me switch

I hope luna can reveal something good the next day, provided she doesn’t get killed, or that she isn’t bad

Whatever luna says we can’t blindly follow, we must lynch a baddie or we are done

Kites, tell me your alignment please.

Here it is Luna:

Kites wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 3:51 pmI’m a civilian

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 2:05 pm He switched to Speedchuck at the last second, which is why Speed got lynched. And to me it looks shady because speeds EOD actions looked so clearly civ that I followed his vote.

Ok I see. I've got re-read EOD. It was going so fast.

What was his vote switch? Seems like he was on Elo, do I remember that wrong?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 1:56 pm All that said, I don’t trus tkites anymore than he claims to trust me.

Daisy what are you seeing in him that tells you he's bad? I need to to another re-read from the perspective of him being bad.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 1:55 pm It’s a really bad idea as a civ to have one of your fellow civs locked into a vote. You just gotta hope and pray that locked vote is a baddie. Or be certain I am, which I’m not. Inthis stage the best case scenario is for the civs to make choices.

Makes sense to me. [mention]Elohcin[/mention] see above.

Maybe it means "bad idea".

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 1:44 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 12:07 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:38 am I am Do it Again. I haven't targeted anyone from Nights 1-6. I am a civilian.

I can target daisy to vote kits again and retarget the same person. I cannot do do chuck (as he is gone). I cannot choose dunya or kits (again, as chuck is gone). And I refuse to choose someone to vot me again . We could have a thread vote to see if people think I should target daisy tonight if y'all think that is best.

I personally don't doubt your role so I wouldn't force Daisy to vote again in the same place if she does not want to, or force her to use her power over again on the same result. Others may disagree and if Daisy disagrees and is willing to have her vote and target forced then I guess it wouldn't hurt. I guess what I'm saying is either way is fine with me as long as it's fine with Daisy.

I think think forcing my vote in at this point is a. Ad idea, I would assume we are at MYLO or LYLO but I don’t know the numbers.

Daisy, what do you mean by the part that I underlined?

Kites wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 1:13 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 12:54 pm oops I missed an important question for Kites. Why don't you trust Daisy? What are you seeing that I'm not?

Wow it is storming like crazy here. As always, if I drop off it's because I lost power.

POE
I just have a strong feeling that mafia will try to push my mislynch tomorrow, she doesn’t trust me at all and will probably vote me
she’s been below the radar later half of the game
I didn’t like some of her reasoning yesterday

not much to go right now but I will think things through properly tomorrow. Not feeling productive today

Ok thanks. Tomorrow it is.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 1:08 pm I gotta admit, I don't want to ruin the game for you juliets. I know how bad you feel when someone accuses you when you are civilian (like Sloonei did) for example. I apologize if I'm doing that. I won't apologize for asking you to tell me why you think I'm bad outside of Mata, though. It doesn't matter if you didn't vote for me; it doesn't matter if I'm just a name in your POE; I was your second biggest scum read behind Eloh. You gave Eloh a lot of reasons. You didn't give me one. I'm just confused why that means I was unfairly pounding you if I asked for something and didn't get it.

Again, I seriously don't want to ruin the game for you or anyone else. I feel like I personally offended you, and you know how much I love you and would absolutely hate you feeling like it's not nice playing with me. Makes me feel like a big gigantic ass. The reason I asked you specifically is because I felt like you were setting me up since Mata's kill without making a commitment and voting me. That's why I didn't care about the votes as much as I cared about your reasons so that I can get to the root cause of the suspicions. Do you understand what I mean?

It doesn't really matter anyway. It's my mom's bday today and I'm invested in that. Sorry I can't be around more. Please please please don't hate me outside this game, juliets. I love you.

It's all ok dunya, go enjoy your mom's birthday. I understand what you're saying. I still love you . I doubt there will be much happening here today.

Kites wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 12:56 pm @juliets that’s a day 1 post though, but yes it can be used
my point is that dunia asked everyone to do it on day 7 and she didn’t

but it really doesn’t mean much, speedchuck didn’t do it either so I wouldn’t be too concerned about it

Ok, I see.

oops I missed an important question for [mention]Kites[/mention]. Why don't you trust Daisy? What are you seeing that I'm not?

Wow it is storming like crazy here. As always, if I drop off it's because I lost power.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 12:35 pm

Kites wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 12:19 pm Oh and Long Con hasn’t said a word about me during the whole game and I don’t know what to think of that

That is interesting. In fact....when YOU brought him up as a suspicion, he blamed ME for it. Can someone else weigh in on this. Does it mean anything?

I don't know what to make of that. LC is not around a lot in this game which bothers me some but others that I trust (speed was one) feel like there is no way he bussed Jack for the...long con.

[mention]Kites[/mention] Spacedaisy did give a quote that can be lie detected (though I don't think thats the right move for this round). Find it below:

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:55 pm <snip>
Are you high? Are you over there chilling with Speedchuck taking his pain meds?

I wasn’t defending Juliets. I was suspecting you for making a more serious thing of that stupid joke post she made than there was.I didn’t believe at that point that anyone took any of that shit seriously and I find it shocking to realize that nutella actually did agree with what Nova clearly made as a joke. And you parsed it out like someone made an actual argument. Why would I defend Mac or Nova or anyone else? I wasn’t defending anyone because I think the original post is a stupid non issue that YOU helped make something out of. That struck me as suspicious. It has nothing to do with Juliets or Mac. And I can certainly think they are suspicious for other reasons if I do choose. It is not mutually exclusive because I don’t have info. I can and probably am wrong about some of my reads.

Mac is a town read for me at this point. Go on and tell me how now it just be a baddie team of Mac/Daisy/Juliets.

I’m not bad and you need to get out of your tunnel if you are civ as well.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:33 am

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:10 am Well that sucks. I'm sorry, speedchuck. Thought the defeatist attitude in the end was kind of a surrender.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 9:06 am I participated yesterday and got pounded unfairly.

Can you explain what you mean by "got pounded unfairly"?

If you're referring to me, I feel terrible you think I was being unfair to you. I only asked something I think I am entitled to know as the recipient of your ongoing shade and suspicions for a few days because I had been holding off on it too long and the tinfoil was beginning to hit me hard on why you're saying dunya is probably bad based on a dead player's words and adding nothing else. You still haven't. Your entire suspicion on me is based on Mata. Entirely. If not, you haven't set the record straight and that confuses me too. If anything, I have felt unfairly targeted by you ever since Mata died. I can't defend myself against a dead player's words and we'll never know why the dead player had those thoughts (even though I explained 100 different ways why Mata could have suspected me and what really happened to the point where Mata was saying she doesn't think I'm a red suspect anymore). You didn't strike me as someone willing to listen and I attribute that to mafia behavior.

I don't care about your roleclaim anymore, that's my point. And other behavior, especially your unwillingness yesterday to revisit people you have down town based on nothing more than speculation still triggers me. You didn't even budge off Eloh when she roleclaimed, and it was apparent she had never used her role. Why would Eloh or her teammates not use her role? It makes 0 sense to me. I just don't see the hesitation of a townie in you.

The bold is the stubbornness I was talking about @juliets . I think dunya explained the thoughts in my head in a way I couldn't. You were unwilling to even take a second look at those you claimed as civ when clearly this game is a crapshoot right now.

Linki I will answe in a sec. My phone cuts off the first part and I can't read it all

So Eloh I'll ask you too, you think I was being stubborn but I had no time to re-research people. Where should I have voted? For speed whom I had bts with twice and was convinced he was good? For kites who I've posted quotes from twice saying he was good? For dunya who was in my POE but I hadn't fully sorted yet? Where was I supposed to vote and what was the evidence that was so good for that person that was presented in EOD?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:38 am I am Do it Again. I haven't targeted anyone from Nights 1-6. I am a civilian.

I can target daisy to vote kits again and retarget the same person. I cannot do do chuck (as he is gone). I cannot choose dunya or kits (again, as chuck is gone). And I refuse to choose someone to vot me again . We could have a thread vote to see if people think I should target daisy tonight if y'all think that is best.

I personally don't doubt your role so I wouldn't force Daisy to vote again in the same place if she does not want to, or force her to use her power over again on the same result. Others may disagree and if Daisy disagrees and is willing to have her vote and target forced then I guess it wouldn't hurt. I guess what I'm saying is either way is fine with me as long as it's fine with Daisy.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:33 am

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:10 am Well that sucks. I'm sorry, speedchuck. Thought the defeatist attitude in the end was kind of a surrender.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 9:06 am I participated yesterday and got pounded unfairly.

Can you explain what you mean by "got pounded unfairly"?

If you're referring to me, I feel terrible you think I was being unfair to you. I only asked something I think I am entitled to know as the recipient of your ongoing shade and suspicions for a few days because I had been holding off on it too long and the tinfoil was beginning to hit me hard on why you're saying dunya is probably bad based on a dead player's words and adding nothing else. You still haven't. Your entire suspicion on me is based on Mata. Entirely. If not, you haven't set the record straight and that confuses me too. If anything, I have felt unfairly targeted by you ever since Mata died. I can't defend myself against a dead player's words and we'll never know why the dead player had those thoughts (even though I explained 100 different ways why Mata could have suspected me and what really happened to the point where Mata was saying she doesn't think I'm a red suspect anymore). You didn't strike me as someone willing to listen and I attribute that to mafia behavior.

I don't care about your roleclaim anymore, that's my point. And other behavior, especially your unwillingness yesterday to revisit people you have down town based on nothing more than speculation still triggers me. You didn't even budge off Eloh when she roleclaimed, and it was apparent she had never used her role. Why would Eloh or her teammates not use her role? It makes 0 sense to me. I just don't see the hesitation of a townie in you.

The bold is the stubbornness I was talking about @juliets . I think dunya explained the thoughts in my head in a way I couldn't. You were unwilling to even take a second look at those you claimed as civ when clearly this game is a crapshoot right now.

Linki I will answe in a sec. My phone cuts off the first part and I can't read it all

See my answer to dunya.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:10 am Well that sucks. I'm sorry, speedchuck. Thought the defeatist attitude in the end was kind of a surrender.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 9:06 am I participated yesterday and got pounded unfairly.

Can you explain what you mean by "got pounded unfairly"?

If you're referring to me, I feel terrible you think I was being unfair to you. I only asked something I think I am entitled to know as the recipient of your ongoing shade and suspicions for a few days because I had been holding off on it too long and the tinfoil was beginning to hit me hard on why you're saying dunya is probably bad based on a dead player's words and adding nothing else. You still haven't. Your entire suspicion on me is based on Mata. Entirely. If not, you haven't set the record straight and that confuses me too. If anything, I have felt unfairly targeted by you ever since Mata died. I can't defend myself against a dead player's words and we'll never know why the dead player had those thoughts (even though I explained 100 different ways why Mata could have suspected me and what really happened to the point where Mata was saying she doesn't think I'm a red suspect anymore). You didn't strike me as someone willing to listen and I attribute that to mafia behavior.

I don't care about your roleclaim anymore, that's my point. And other behavior, especially your unwillingness yesterday to revisit people you have down town based on nothing more than speculation still triggers me. You didn't even budge off Eloh when she roleclaimed, and it was apparent she had never used her role. Why would Eloh or her teammates not use her role? It makes 0 sense to me. I just don't see the hesitation of a townie in you.

I'm not sure I understand all of this but I'll try to respond. I did feel like you were unfair to me as evidenced by the fact that when others actually voted you you did not even ask them a question - not even "Why". I only had you in my POE and you pounded me. I didn't see anyone explain their vote for you though I still have to go back and read through the EOD stuff.

The reason I was looking at what mata said is it looks like she had information, similarly to someone who voiced a high suspicion of someone then got killed and was a role cop. I can understand that things can happen like in GG where it looked like the role cop fingered Elo but she didn't. I'm just trying to sort that out with your behavior. I was listening and kept trying to tell you I had not sorted you yet, you were just in my POE but my feeling is you didn't listen.

So you don't care about my role claim anymore but you expect me to care about Elo's? And when was I unwilling to revisit people? I was not going to change during EOD to someone I had not yet properly researched. I didn't see any reason to vote speed, I was not ready to vote you because I haven't finished all my research, and I didn't see any reason to vote kites. So who was I "unwilling" to revisit? There was no time to read ISO's. I did not "speculate" regarding calling people town. With speed, I had bts with him twice and assessed him as good. I have posted twice showing why I thought kites was good. So what evidence was presented in EOD that should have made me say "oh, I'll throw away everything I feel is true and vote this person?" I see Elo's role as being either bad or good. I don't have a good grasp of why she would use it regardless of alignment. So if there are two mafia left, you tell me, who should I concentrate on reviewing first to see if I can see their mafia game? I'll review whoever you ask me to, whoever you are most convinced is bad.

Kites wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 9:30 am

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 9:06 am I participated yesterday and got pounded unfairly. I likely won't make that mistake again today unless there are several people involved in a discussion. I hope someone will step up and keep the conversation going. @Kites I have defended you twice now, I would appreciate hearing some of your thoughts about where we are.

I wish I had stuck with Eloh now. dunya kind of convinced me + speed doing the last minute reads based on roles (which seemed fake cos it’s been proven roles aren’t alignment indicative and lynching someone for not claiming is a weak reason) made me switch

I hope luna can reveal something good the next day, provided she doesn’t get killed, or that she isn’t bad

Whatever luna says we can’t blindly follow, we must lynch a baddie or we are done

Thanks Kites I appreciate your thoughts. I agree we can't blindly follow anyone, we need to dig deep into people and see what's what. I don't suppose you have an updated chart for us ?

I participated yesterday and got pounded unfairly. I likely won't make that mistake again today unless there are several people involved in a discussion. I hope someone will step up and keep the conversation going. [mention]Kites[/mention] I have defended you twice now, I would appreciate hearing some of your thoughts about where we are.

Is anyone surprised by this result?

Goodbye speed thanks for picking me for btsc. I thoroughly enjoyed it and it helped me assess some of the others in the game. See you in the next game!

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:54 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:53 pm I've focused on roles for like two weeks eight years and don't really know how to read without them. Voting Juliets or Luna or Daisy would go against my very being.

This game is an existential crisis for me.

lol, just hope juliets doesn't flip as a mafia stump.

you have nothing to worry about there.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:49 pm Giving Eloh a chance is probably better than letting me live.

My role does me no such favors.

Kites may be scum, and then I'd have no idea afterward. Juliets is my tinfoil right now because screw this setup.

I can't believe you would think that.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:31 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:28 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:27 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:26 pm Didn't we have another doc in the game? reywas' role? Though it was limited, he had to put his life up for a protection.

We also had Jack

lol

lol. I guess both reywas and dunya's role could exist in the same faction.

What about Nova's?

I forgot about him.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:30 pm Apparently some words are 'too common' to search for. Horsecrap.

I recall Dunya saying she knew what happened night 2. Why there was no kill.

Yes she did say that.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:27 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:26 pm Didn't we have another doc in the game? reywas' role? Though it was limited, he had to put his life up for a protection.

We also had Jack

lol

lol. I guess both reywas and dunya's role could exist in the same faction.

Didn't we have another doc in the game? reywas' role? Though it was limited, he had to put his life up for a protection.

Elo said she was leaving for a party at 5:30 and wouldn't be back before the lynch.

Oh geez did she leave?

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:02 pm Well, it's done. A role claim, no protection and no speed lynch. What a day.

[mention]dunya[/mention] day is not over for another hour.

I checked on whether speed responded to me and he did. He said he really just couldn't read her which is also what he told me in btsc.

[mention]dunya[/mention] I don't think he did but I'll check.

And thanks Daisy.

Ok thanks dunya..

Ok so what are the main points on speed being bad?

Oh wait Daisy I missed dunya's post. I think you are agreeing with her.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 6:34 pm If it's not Elo and not dunya. Then it leaves kites and someone else or two mafia in deep which leaves me only with the idea that I'm wrong about speedchuck and luna... or juliets and speedchuck, but I just can't wrap my mind around the ideaa of juliets being bad with everything that occurred around her role.

dunya, protect yourself.

Yeah I'm not bad daisy. What makes you think it's not Elo? Something about the role she claimed? I just need to understand a little better.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 6:29 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 6:22 pm My role stipulates I can only "protect" someone, when I don't have suspicion on me. I.e. no votes.

Amazing isn't it?

And this is where the Mata confusion comes in. I thought Night 2 I could still protect someone. I protected LC. No kill. I thought, well that was obvious. When Mata went hard on me for inconsistency, I made sure with Epi my Night 2 went though (since we didn't have a Day 2). He said no. He didn't tell me I failed, since I wasn't actually allowed to protect anyone in the first place. I only earn a protection by having a clear slate in the lynch poll. I thought Mata was a blocker in the end, and had blocked me on Night 2 (I wouldn't know since I didn't have a role). I tried to clarify that before she died.

Ok I'm trying to understand. So when you said you knew what might have happened night 2 was that before you knew your protect didn't work?

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 6:16 pm Because I felt like you had an agenda since Mata's death to make me look bad.

Also I already know speed is your teammate so...

speed is not my teammate unless he's civ. And I think you were the one with the agenda.

[mention]Kites[/mention] if you move please give me plenty of time to react to keep from getting lynched.

So [mention]dunya[/mention] why aren't you asking these guys all the questions you asked me?