The Syndicate

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:09 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:42 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:37 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:27 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:22 pm [VOTE: Tony] aubergine

Nova, this seems a little out of the blue. What has convinced you all of a sudden that Tony is bad? I'm having a hard time reading him, I don't think I've played with him before.

For me, Tony is a highly analytical person, and what I'm seeing isn't very analytical. It isn't very anything, except unhelpful. He called Rej "bait" but didn't say why.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:28 am Okay caught up but I didn’t really comprehend any of what was going on. Tunneling maybe on Epi if only because I don’t think post counts will actually matter much (45 perhaps a bit high a limit, enough to make the game more accessible but not functionally stifling discussion). Drago is town. Rej is bait. I have no idea on Nova. Oreki is earnest which is gonna be Town from me. I like LC to stay around because he produces good content and I can read him well enough. Sabie isn’t getting lynched on my watch this time. I’ll reread Quin but I’m not buying that case. That leaves Creature. Hey crocodile man, how’s it going? How’s life? I appreciate that you signed up for this game even knowing it might stifle your style. Not gonna clear ya.

Was there even a Quin case? How does this leave Creature? What about Mac? birdwithJack? juliets?

This post just looks like busywork to me.

Oh I see I didn't realize he's highly analytical. And yeah, I wondered about the Quin case too because the only thing I'm aware of is LC's comment about Quin's w/w comment and I'm pretty sure that was after this post was made.

Can you summarize the Quin/LC case for me? I lost track of that one. Also you have any new thoughts to the Novas/Drago/Oreki/Rej situation? You ISOed our posts before.

And who are you voting for?

Rej here is the post LC made about Quin. And yes I ISO'd those posts but I am more suspicious of Tony at this time and will vote for him.

LC's post:

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:48 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:27 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:22 pm [VOTE: Tony] aubergine

Nova, this seems a little out of the blue. What has convinced you all of a sudden that Tony is bad? I'm having a hard time reading him, I don't think I've played with him before.

Hmm I've been sleeping on it for a bit, it's not sudden. I don't like the default series of read that led him to suspect Creature. Most of the reads were uninspiring, and I feel like he was giving town reads like candy. Most of the recipients were the people getting vote and the center of most discussions, he's kind of just brushing them as an attempt to avoid the thick of it I guess. The push on Creature is in the same vein. It's a pretty arbitrary, looks like he's just trying to have something resembling initiative going on and park his vote somewhere. The playful tone and bland questions doesn't speak to me as trying to figure someone out. He's starting from the ground up, it doesn't feel like he suspected Creature and then started to question him to get a better grasp on him, but rather threw a dart on a wall, Creature's name came up and he went along with it lol. I don't think that how apathetic Creature was posting was a coincidence in his choice.

You've read all the ISOs right? What are your thoughts on him?

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply it was not well thought out. I understand how something simmers and becomes a suspicion.

As I said to Epi, I have no idea of what Quin case he's talking about. His posts come off to me as rather bland and not digging and he hasn't posted at all today which I don't see as a good sign (neither have a couple of other people though). I guess I have kinda ignored him because there wasn't a lot there and others have posted oodles of things.

I have been dwelling on Epi's post about Tony's Creature post and I have to say I see exactly what he means. Tony seemed to go through eliminating people until he was left with Creature but a lot of people were left out of that deductive process so it seems flawed. I also agree with you that he doesn't seem to be trying to figure Creature out - he just landed there and went with it.

So with that said, I do find him suspicious. I don't know anything about how analytical he normally is but I'm feeling pretty good about Epi and he says this is uncharacteristic. He tops my list at the moment.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:37 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:27 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:22 pm [VOTE: Tony] aubergine

Nova, this seems a little out of the blue. What has convinced you all of a sudden that Tony is bad? I'm having a hard time reading him, I don't think I've played with him before.

For me, Tony is a highly analytical person, and what I'm seeing isn't very analytical. It isn't very anything, except unhelpful. He called Rej "bait" but didn't say why.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:28 am Okay caught up but I didn’t really comprehend any of what was going on. Tunneling maybe on Epi if only because I don’t think post counts will actually matter much (45 perhaps a bit high a limit, enough to make the game more accessible but not functionally stifling discussion). Drago is town. Rej is bait. I have no idea on Nova. Oreki is earnest which is gonna be Town from me. I like LC to stay around because he produces good content and I can read him well enough. Sabie isn’t getting lynched on my watch this time. I’ll reread Quin but I’m not buying that case. That leaves Creature. Hey crocodile man, how’s it going? How’s life? I appreciate that you signed up for this game even knowing it might stifle your style. Not gonna clear ya.

Was there even a Quin case? How does this leave Creature? What about Mac? birdwithJack? juliets?

This post just looks like busywork to me.

Oh I see I didn't realize he's highly analytical. And yeah, I wondered about the Quin case too because the only thing I'm aware of is LC's comment about Quin's w/w comment and I'm pretty sure that was after this post was made.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:22 pm [VOTE: Tony] aubergine

Nova, this seems a little out of the blue. What has convinced you all of a sudden that Tony is bad? I'm having a hard time reading him, I don't think I've played with him before.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:54 pm

Oreki wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:20 am What I think here that nova trying to make a case on drago with starting logic. I can see town making a posts like that but I don't get why Nova trying to push for drago in that enviroment is if he's trying to make mislynch D1, lots of assuming here

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:19 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:45 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:37 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:58 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:54 pm Light joke as an icebreaker. I hate the use an emoji there. It doesn't fit in a natural way, and it kind of doesn't fit him either. Trying to lighten his entrance even more. Compensating? Maybe.

Drago is bad.

Hahahahahahahaha!

This post tbh is pretty funny.

How about this one?

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

Hilarious.

This is even funnier!

Neither of your posts does anything here besides discredit suspicion with humour.

Underwhelmed if nova is a neutral read. Even more underwhelmed if you left him out of his asking you for reads on everyone who posted, which would include him.

Drago and nova not w/w. [VOTE: Drago] aubergine

This post, I feel like someone trying to take the profit of the current environment, while making a side comment "This is not w/w argument", c'mon if you have something in the table then split, I feel like you more reads than that, don't you?

juliets I voted Quin for this, because of what Oreki commented on, and the fact that there's nothign I can see about this that leads to the "not w/w" conclusion. I think that Quin is bad, and trying to place himself well in their eyes.

[mention]Quin[/mention] I agree with LC that I'm not seeing what lead to your "not w/w" conclusion. Can you spell out the missing logic?

Regarding Oreki vs. Nova, I have re-read their interactions 3 times and I'm not sure what Oreki's point is other than nova's push at Drago "isn't nice":

Oreki wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:06 pm My reason is bad to dispute your argument cuz I just can't make the case by saying "your push is not nice". But I just say it I actually didn't find anything wrong with your post... what I did right now was trying to see just how much you suspect Drago. And for some reason, you suspect him a lot... And I won't argue that cuz I want to see how drago reply to your accusation

But this is the last thing I can find that Oreki posted about Nova so I don't have a good grasp on why he is still voting for him other than maybe he just hasn't made up his mind where to move his vote. Oreki's posts are really long though so I might have missed somewhere a decision and a reason to stay on Nova.

I do have one question for [mention]novaselinenever[/mention] coming out of that read. Nova, you said you didn't believe Oreki didn't like your push on Drago. What made you think he didn't not like your pus? (Geez that's worded awkwardly)

Regarding Nova's suspicion of you [mention]Dragomir[/mention] the dialogue between you two seems to be centered on whether Rej was joking in his response to Nova's gth pre-posting activity. I am just not finding enough meat on that bone to make me suspect either of you. If there is more to it that I am somehow missing please let me know. I have seen Nova go after civs before early on (in fact he did it to me when I was civ in another game) so I'm really not too concerned about it. I'm also not convinced though by his suspicions to be suspicious of you.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] thanks for posting your reason for voting Quin. I'm taking a look at him next.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:18 pm @juliets What's your take of the Oreki vs Nova thing that occured earlier? As well as your take on the suspicion regarding me. Do you agree? Disagree? Who are you siding with?

Same questions to you @sabie12 @Dom @Epignosis

I have to revisit the Oreki/Nova thing but I can tell you that overall I am leaning town on them both. I'll give you a more specific answer though after I've read through it. I did not read you as bad when I read your ISO but I need to pay closer attention to what nova said about you because of my town lean on him. I haven't read Quin yet but will do. So I owe you a more specific answer.

By the way, while I'm thinking about it - and this is addressed to everyone - I will more than likely not be at EOD tonight as I'm with family and that is our dinnertime. I'm going to have that problem until I get home late Monday night.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:13 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:30 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:26 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:21 am why do non voters look bad to you?
I don't think having voted yet looks particularly good or bad.

Like I said, all the voters have been trying to game solve and thus look good in my eyes, so by process of elimination, it makes the baddies in the non voters.

Maybe all the voters have been trying to game solve but that does not mean the non-voters have not been trying to game solve.

Ok? I already know that. I've already eliminated Oreki from being a baddy in my head as he's been game-solving, but he's like the only one. Tho, you can be eliminated too if you keep it up.

Btw, I don't Creature is that bad. I understand where you're coming from with the questioning but his posts are so atrociously bad and so damn straightforward with not wanting to do much or bring attention to himself that i just can't see him being scum.

Thanks for your opinion Drago. Maybe you are right but I still have a queasy feeling about him.

I'm still looking at some others but as I read you, Oreki, Rej I'm not seeing big things that make me think "mafia". I see some weird things in Rej but I can't tell if I am just misunderstanding him or he just makes odd posts or those posts are indicative of him being bad. I'm trying to sort through that now.

linki then reading

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:41 pm I think I could play this game better without a set limit. I'm more worried about running out of posts than anything else.

I didn't know I would have such block when signing up for this.

But Creature, you are nowhere near running out of posts so why are you so worried about that right now?

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:44 pm I don't feel like answering all your questions.

Also the type of sheeping I mean is like what I used to do at another site when I had like no idea how to read the players from that site. I basically selectively trusted a few players on other players, then I trusted these other players and that chain on.

I'm not 100% sheeping, but I'm mostly taking others' opinion over mine because I expect them to know each other better than I do here.

I don't know how to read all the players I have not played with much including you but I am trying. Epi was right on when he said you should ask some questions of people, get their thoughts in this game. Just because some of us have played together for awhile doesn't mean we totally know each other's game style. Epi for example is notoriously hard to read because he changes his style up often. I have misread Long Con more often than I have read him correctly, and I've played with him for @10 years.

I can understand some dependence on someone else's reads, I think we've all done that at one time or another but not developing any suspicions on your own to me is suspicious.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:26 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:21 am why do non voters look bad to you?
I don't think having voted yet looks particularly good or bad.

Like I said, all the voters have been trying to game solve and thus look good in my eyes, so by process of elimination, it makes the baddies in the non voters.

Maybe all the voters have been trying to game solve but that does not mean the non-voters have not been trying to game solve.

[mention]Creature[/mention] I'm having the most trouble reading you as civ. Here are some examples of why:
I don't know you well Creature but I think you understand what we are supposed to be doing. And I don't get the comment about having reads but needing a second post. Why? And where is that post? Are you just kidding around in this entire post?
Why are we having to do without you? Is there some reason you are not posting? And what do you mean you can't get any reactions with a single post like this? Who said you could only do single posts? And why can't you determine for yourself who you think is town?
Are you kidding here? Sheeping what others say and putting yourself in position to take less responsibility for a loss if it happens is what a mafia would do. Are you saying this because you think we'll believe a mafia would never say such a thing?

And then when Epi suggests you determine who is bad by asking some questions the only question you ask is "who are you voting for"?.

I don't know Creature, maybe I'm totally misreading you but it doesn't seem like you're really playing the game, just posting every so often to be seen. I can understand a joke post but all of your posts seem like maybe you're joking. Please help me understand what you are doing.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:17 am
All you non-voters, except Oreki, are looking mighty bad in my eyes, I'm pretty incline to believe that 2/3 scum if not all of them are a part of the non-voters.

@juliets gimme one player who you think is sus ti you and why. @Oreki is Rej the only suspicious player for you?

I don't know why you are seeing people who haven't voted as bad. When it's early in a game I rarely vote before the last couple of hours. I haven't determined who is suspicious yet, I am reading ISOs today to help me determine where to place my vote.

Ok thanks [mention]Dom[/mention], I think someone else might have said it but I'll know more reading back.

[mention]Rej[/mention] thanks for your interpretation of what happened. I'm re-reading you guys now.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:28 am Okay caught up but I didn’t really comprehend any of what was going on.

This ^ ^sums up how I'm feeling right now. I am having a hard time following all these arguments between Drago/Orecki/Rej. Maybe it's because I haven't played with any of you very much so I am not yet familiar with your style.

Random thoughts:

As for Nova, he threw out what I thought was an obvious joke giving first impression reads of people who hadn't even posted. It was a variation of something I've seen before when he has been civ, first impression reads. His series of one line posts at the beginning is something else I've seen him do as a civ. Also he has been asking questions which I like. Nova is a good player and may be able to mimic his civ style when bad, but right now I'm leaning good.

This "slip" people are talking about with Rej, the statement - "How can I ensure you, me being town?" doesn't seem like a slip to me. I think it is obvious he means "How can I assure you that I am town". Someone help me out here, why is this a slip? Is this the main issue with Rej or are there other indicators that show him as bad?

[mention]Long Con[/mention], I don't understand your vote for Quin. Could you talk a little bit about that?

Epi, can you talk about why you voted for Tony? Maybe I missed it and if so just tell me and I'll go back and find it.

I am going to start ISOing Drago, Rej, and Orecki to see if I can get a better handle on their arguments.

linki, will post then read

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:03 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:52 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:17 pm
you are thinking too much

@novaselinenever ,maybe I was overdramatic, but I for some reasons just think the same of drago.

What you think about Oreki and Dom and Quin? I found Oreki strange, when he null read drago and explains how he suddenly leans to suspect me, which would mean that he forms an interaction with Drago. So it might be townforming, still Oreki is way to careful about it, giving me the impression of him being possibly an indie.

Dom is not giving me enough to read he is just taken a position without telling much. I tend to nullread such players and sometimes have a hard time townreading them.

There are no Indies in this game. Looking aside from that, what made you think of indie first, not mafia or just scum in general? I'm not seeing how this townforming thing affects it. Explain.

he didn't give me mafia vibes, because in some way I was townreading him at first glance, but he didn't properly interact with you in order to set the wagon on me, so this indicated nothing good for me, at first thought it was "only indies would play like this", i rolled indie alot myself and I evaluated this playstyle. maybe he is just too careful or he could be bad.

Rej, can you help me understand what you mean by "he didn't properly interact with you in order to set the wagon on me"?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:39 am @juliets What do you think about all these finger pointing? It's almost time for our old first impressions exercise haha.

Oh no, first impression reads! I know some people are good at sussing out mafia by finger pointing early based on little evidence or weak evidence but I am not one of those. I haven't seen enough about anyone to point a finger, there just isn't a lot of behavior yet. I don't see anyone I consider bad yet for early pointing as I know that is a technique to get discussion going.

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:47 am

Oreki wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:36 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:27 am [ytubehd][/ytubehd]

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:08 am Noone wanna be a W in a V/W read
This is meta when people force to scumread me, lovely.

A wolf most of doesn't want to be. A townie shouldn't be over here asking ppl how to look town for them. Makes no sense, just do you and contribute, game solving etc. I shouldn't be over here telling you this.

A wolf trying to pocket Nova, and a wolf asking for how to get town cred

Let's get some votes on Rej shall we?

Why are you not voting for rej then? Shouldn't you move forward your own case?

He did vote for me, I don't want to defend in that case, because I have more of a feeling that Drago and Novas are scum mates here
I got bad vibes from novas D0 and D1 dragomir somehow confirmed this
Novas vote on drago was as convenient as dragos first post in this game.

Rej, what was it about nova in Day 0 that causes you to ge bad vibes from him? Can you be more specific?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:06 am Oh wait, I mean Dom you're bad. Not Tony, read the name wrong.

I don't see Dom's post as bad here. There is history between he and Epi so it reads to me like Dom is just stating his reason for agreeing and then acknowledging what those who have played with them both would notice, that it is odd that for once he agrees with Epi. I don't discern any alignment from this.

linki, will read after posting

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:49 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:40 pm good afternoon everyone! I am here, in and out because I'm on vacation.

nova I'm so glad you're back!

Awesome where'd you go for vacation? I'm on vacation next week.

My husband's family's lake house up in Alabama and my parents in another part of Alabama. We do this trip several times a year. All our family is up here.

good afternoon everyone! I am here, in and out because I'm on vacation.

nova I'm so glad you're back!