The Syndicate

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:24 pm <snip>

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:10 pm Saitama is mafia? We might as well give up now.

this post, wether is from a player who knows the original role which is NAI, or is mafia from any team who thinks mentioning a scum member may look good.

Michelle earlier you said you didn't have any game related thoughts about this post, it just made you chuckle. My read of this post is that he is talking about the character Saitama in whatever anime/cartoon/other Saitama is in, just joking around like everyone was in the beginning. I don't get what the point would be of posting it as scum.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:47 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:47 pm I've not voted yet so I haven't seen the poll. Who is in the 4th slot on Nutella, Jack, and/or me?

Thar be scum. Bet me.

Yay! Someone else ascribes to the "fourth is scum" theory of vote trains!

The midmeld with Radishes is worrisome

Maybe I don't use the word "mind-meld" the same way everyone else does but I think of it as several thoughts where two or more players see someone's posts the same way. This agreement on the positioning of voters didn't cause me any concern, though I disagree with what they are saying.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:50 pm Upon further reflection of ISOs both of these wagons are shiiiiiiiiiiiny turds.

Nutella I can see why people suspect her. The interactions starting when Mac wagoned on look pretty bad. But lynching nutella D1 after she gets defensive over some tunneling is wonky.

I have no idea why anyone would vote Master Radishes.

I take from this that he TRs Radishes ot they are buddies.

I think he definitely town reads him at this point but several of us did. Does this mean they were on the same team? I guess it could but it could also just be a town read.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:32 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 pm Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

Radishes talks relaxed about scumbuddies and Speed comes with a suspicion at Sig. This can be scum theatre, but it can be nothing as well. In the context comes at -1, i don't believe in coincidences.

Are you saying here that this could be speed throwing sig under the bus (he voted for him later)? I guess that's possible but I don't see it as strong evidence. What does the -1 mean?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:35 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:33 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:32 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 pm Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

1. Reason wasnt crappy
2. Was laying out my thought process.

It would be imo so much worse to instantly switch off since Jack changed his mind, especially since I didnt base my vote solely off his read and two she wasn't a civ?

Not to mention I stated a few times she wasnt my top lynch which Is why I switched off once things evened our a bit.

Some of your reasons were crappy. And you had some perfectly good reasons. Overcompensating to justify staying on nutella. Meh. Minor sus.

This chain is suspicious and may very well be a scum team interaction, to not receive a further "they didn't interact itt". The only good thing is Speed voted for Sig but i don't remember when and the poll positions don't reflect the order of the votes iirc

Yes, it could be a scum team interaction but I don't have enough evidence to call it one. I don't know when this happened in relation to the major suspicion of sig. If it happened early on I wouldn't tend to see it as a scum interaction. sig was an almost universal town read early in the game so there would be no reason for a teammate to throw shade his way. If it happened later then maybe.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

Expand on this, mr chuck

I got weird vibes from Ted D1, and then he appeared reluctant to address Dizzy's 'scumslip' on him. It wasn't the slip itself that bothered me, but his forced nonchalance about it? Something like that. Lol at her flipping votes, though.

The Mac read is nothing special. I agree with what Jay said about his Dom post, and a few other sentiments expressed in the past two pages.

Dizzy and Dom both seemed like fairly stable, level heads in the thread D1. I like town dizzy and town dom.

Bonus: I don't care to lynch G-man.

Maybe is Speed speciality but this post is more a word salad, no offense.. Maybe is just me who don't understand it's meaning.

For me it's hard to understand because I can't see the underlying posts he is talking about. I have no idea what ted said about Dizzy without looking back. Same with what Jay said about Mac's Dom post. So I don't have an understanding of what he's trying to say.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:55 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:50 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:44 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

I actually wanna hear this

There's not much to hear, yo. You give me vibes. Even with this post you give me vibes.

"Someone suspects me!? I LAUGH! Tell me of this inconsequential suspicion, fellow townie, and we'll work it out over tea." It's, just, it doesn't feel genuine.

It comes more from a PoV of me having a civ role and transparently laying out my thoughts, which would make me believe I'm obvious town (I never filter my thoughts) and me never being mislynched in one year of mafia is also contributing towards this. I'd rarely been suspected as town so I have high expectation when such claims occur.

Ok, I got lynched once but that was when I was on a holiday at the sea and I didn't care enough to stress myself

Too calculated a response. Bad.

I mean, if you're seriously genuine here, then you have an ego the size of a train and self-analysis out the butt. It doesn't read like transparently laying out thoughts.

So hey, if you never get mislynched, and we lynch you today, then you must be scum, right? Otherwise you wouldn't get lynched.

voted Ted just after but after, asked by Nanook, he switched to voting Mac.
My understanding on Ted's play (playing with him since summer) is that he has strong beliefs and shares them itt. Sometimes he is wrong but as villager he is like a rock. His posts are not scummy for me. Scum would not be so relaxed i think. But Speed finds him wolfy, and is more like it's a whim to vote him because he dislikes the playstyle without trying to have a real read. Is convenient to vote a player with not known meta.

Michelle, how do you remember that he voted Ted just after that but then was asked by Nanook to change? I can't remember anything that detailed from the thread. I agree about ted having strong beliefs and sharing them. I think what your saying here is you disagree with his read on ted and think it was scummy of him to vote ted when ted has no known meta (to speed I guess). I don't know ted that well but I see your point that maybe he's reading him based on play style. I would want to look at anything else he had to say about ted though to make a determination that it's scummy.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:02 pm I would, right now, vote sig, TH, Mac, and anyone who has appealed to emotion. I would murder the emotion right out of this game.

Rubs me the wrong way. Mafia is like 1/3 emotion. Villagers have an emotional force while wolves can have fear, anguish or delightful joy depending of the player's preferences. This post looks like NAI but doesn't help town.

We have had some high emotion in this game and I have to agree I don't care for it. Some of it was downright uncomfortable. I think when we get too emotional we sometimes don't reason as well and facts are forgotten or misconstrued. I know I have been guilty of that.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:10 pm So we can start with him.

But I have a hit list, and I'm considering putting you on it.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

If Speed is mafia he is aligned with the Radishes team imo. A tinfoilable slot.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:24 pm Juliets gives me homework to do but i didn't find her stance in this matter. I wonder why. Let's say she has good intentions but I dislike the question mixed in a post, when she usually pings to obtain answers.

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:58 am Oh, scary thought. What if we’re all on the poll in the other threads but we can only see us because we’re the only ones this deep down? Maybe Jay and Sloonei can speak to that if their Inception game worked that way.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:32 pm Is SVS essentially a stump now?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:47 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:46 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:43 am It's neat to be dreaming! After hosting the game twice and never getting to participate, this is excellent.

i'm amused that we're in this together.

we should complain about everything

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:11 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:56 pm

Spoiler: show

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:13 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:22 pm @Michelle and @Dom probably should have the same read as me on this.

to search this "this" at 4 am is not actually possible, can you quote it please?

You played scum with Nutella when Jack nailed her out of the box on day 1 in the Aussie game. It should mean something to you because you know how she feels about it. Does what you know line up with how she is dealing with him here to you? Looking at before I called her out on it specifically.

Mac calls on Michelle (along with Dom) to support his read on nutella. Michelle ain't got no clue what he's talking about and Mac spells it out for her. This feels like a genuine miscommunication that might not exist if they're teammates who can coordinate a move like this, but I may be overestimating the coordination between this hypothetical pairing. My inclination is to lean in favor of Michelle here.

This appears to be the most immediately usable bit from Sloonei's review. There's not a ton to be done with this, as it's one post with a minor role to play in the grand scheme of the 2019 Game of Champions. I highlighted a bit that I think could reflect decently upon Michelle, as the language has a sort of arrogant underpinning that a mafioso may be more inclined to operate with when talking to a non-teammate: let me tell you what you should be thinking. It's a small point, but it's something so sure k.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:29 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:26 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:24 pm Okay then. Let’s make a pact to lynch me in the abscess of figuring anything out. I feel like there isn’t an obvious suspect among us.

I did manage to take a screenshot of a post Michelle made, color-coding the first three lynches. I can try to recreate that here. That might help us.

The roles listed suggest SVS and nutella 2 were civ and sig bad, so I will start there.

I'm against any plan that suggests we shouldn't scum hunt.

That said, we could see what happens if we try to lynch G-man by a tally of 3-2.

Ok, but there’s six of us. How do you plan on getting that sixth vote elsewhere? Trust?

3 people vote for you
2 people vote for someone else
1 person dicks around

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:24 pm Okay then. Let’s make a pact to lynch me in the abscess of figuring anything out. I feel like there isn’t an obvious suspect among us.

I did manage to take a screenshot of a post Michelle made, color-coding the first three lynches. I can try to recreate that here. That might help us.

The roles listed suggest SVS and nutella 2 were civ and sig bad, so I will start there.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:21 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:10 pm G-man is the player in our midst who I've had the most substantial reason to suspect, but I started to cool on that as yesterday wore on. Without the luxury of the other thread, I can't review his posts for interactions with sabie/radishes/sig right now. If G-man is mafia, I link him directly to Radishes (and the other two by extension), which would make him the Anti-Monitor, which means he begins each day with -2 votes. A player beginning each day with a handicap like that might play differently. Votes are less worrisome, but heavy suspicion is a problem. Does anyone have any thoughts about G-man's viability as that role? I... don't know what that those thoughts would look like in a thread environment where there's no access to past days.

Yeah Sloonei I was pinged by some stuff in his long post and it seemed like Jay pointed out some things there that he might remember. I know one thing had to do with you and then another thing had to do with me and S~V~S who he thought were bad for the same reason. I think that's how it went. His posts though during yesterday led me to believe he was good. Saying to mislynch him because that would draw scum in maybe? Maybe you can refresh me on that part G-Man.

lots of linki

I forgot about G-man's pledge to collect votes. That might actually be a point in favor of him being the anti-monitor. A player with -2 votes doesn't need to worry about gathering a little momentum, especially if doing so distracts attention away from his partner. But that also risks exposing himself if the wagon takes off and he survives when he shouldn't have.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:16 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:08 pm So sig was bad lolol! So much for those people hating on the sig voters. I hate losing S~V~S and nutella. Glad S~V~S was Pariah and can continue to post as she likes.

One thing that might be good for us is we are a sub-layer. In the Inception game the sub-layers "lynched" people but they weren't really dead. They just got bumped up to the main level. The main level lynches were real. I don't want to count on that being the case though.

linki

One hope I have is that there is a way to bump all of us out of this place without dying. Did death in every level take you deeper in Inception (the movie) until death in the subconscious wakes you up? Which direction will we move? There’s no guarantee that death takes us up and out. What happens to the main thread as people re-enter, I wonder? Will bad things happen if we lynch baddies on this level and they end up controlling the top level?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:10 pm G-man is the player in our midst who I've had the most substantial reason to suspect, but I started to cool on that as yesterday wore on. Without the luxury of the other thread, I can't review his posts for interactions with sabie/radishes/sig right now. If G-man is mafia, I link him directly to Radishes (and the other two by extension), which would make him the Anti-Monitor, which means he begins each day with -2 votes. A player beginning each day with a handicap like that might play differently. Votes are less worrisome, but heavy suspicion is a problem. Does anyone have any thoughts about G-man's viability as that role? I... don't know what that those thoughts would look like in a thread environment where there's no access to past days.