The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:48 pm Yeah, it was a fun game, it did what it set out to do, there's some fairness to "town lost cause town made mistakes" and also some fairness to "the setup didn't allow room for as many mistakes as it should have". It's kinda up to views on how many mistakes town can be allowed to make or moreover if a game goes mostly even who is allowed the victory (if town and mafia play at the same rate).

I felt like we were neck in neck down to the wire.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:50 pm I mean, Dom keeps saying mafia had extra information but that is factually wrong. Mafia's only source of information was killed night 1.

It's fun to try to pin on me the fact mafia figured out your identities, but it won't change the reality that they did it without my help.

I cannot emphasize enough that we found out NOTHING from DDL. He was extremely tight lipped like every good host.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:23 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:35 pm Civilians needed nutella dead (not mafia).

Civilians needed Lunalee dead (not mafia).

Civilians needed sprityo dead (not mafia).

Civilians needed five more people dead.

That's eight.

That's too many.
I agree.

I’m not saying I deserved a win because my reads were pretty well junk except on Nutella.

I think there were too many antitown roles compared to town ones.

DDL: Town has 5 blocks so they could have stopped some kills and that’s balance.

Sure, but the town spent all game blocking me.

And if they had blocked some kills, that really would have frustrated the mafia, as I was highly frustrated at the labyrinth of ways to stop kills in Hogwarts that the mafia had to tiptoe around.

Basically, I’m saying this should have been a mountainous game.

Now excuse me. I have to get back to writing my multiball game with a bunch of blocks and a high scum to town ratio.

Here's the thing though.

Mafia needed nutella dead, it was in our wincon.

Mafia needed Luna dead, wincon.

Mafia needed sprityo dead, wincon again.

So I'm not sure what that original post by Epi means.

But anyway, it was a fun game even though we were biting our nails through the end.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:59 pm When did I hint Dom was Agatha?

Lol, I don't know exactly, all I know is Dizzy came into chat and said "Jack just hinted he was Tarvek and Dom is Agatha". Maybe he misunderstood but if so it was a lucky misunderstanding. We had no way to find out roles after sig died. Maybe [mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] will see this post and tell us which post was the hint.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:43 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:35 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:08 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:03 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:13 pm Aw. So close. But it really was a stretch for me to stand a good chance of winning this. When I subbed in the game was more or less solved and most of the popular lynch candidates weren't sparks.

In the end, if I'd had juliets lynched today, I'd have boosted Michelle's vote tonight and won with mafia by lynching the last spark tomorrow. Town had already lost the game on Day 10 unless they managed some lucky tie shenanigans, I'm assuming jack was aware of that which is why he wouldn't go for juliets. Phooey.
Yeah. I assumed we were playing an ugly game of chicken where we lose if we vote Juliets, you lose if you vote Michelle and everyone loses if nobody moves.
To be honest, at first I was considering voting Michelle just giving you the win, mainly because I'd subbed in more or less when the game was already solved (and Quin 1.0 was townie, I guess). But I figured that wasn't fair to DDL and the role he designed, so I went with the juliets lynch to try pull it off.
I thank you for playing your role to the best of your ability, even though you had an unlucky situation to face (most sparks survived longer than they should have).
Seeing TSP dead last night instead of Dom or Jack was the biggest surprise I've gotten from a NK. That needed to get shut down days ago.

We were afraid Dom and Jack might have something that protected them from a kill in their hidden powers. Those hidden powers were paranoia inducing. We also thought if Dom used one of his save robots it would be on Jack. We mistakenly thought they had btsc the whole time (or at least I thought they did, maybe Dizzy and Michelle were smarter).

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:39 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:21 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:02 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:13 pm Aw. So close. But it really was a stretch for me to stand a good chance of winning this. When I subbed in the game was more or less solved and most of the popular lynch candidates weren't sparks.

In the end, if I'd had juliets lynched today, I'd have boosted Michelle's vote tonight and won with mafia by lynching the last spark tomorrow. Town had already lost the game on Day 10 unless they managed some lucky tie shenanigans, I'm assuming jack was aware of that which is why he wouldn't go for juliets. Phooey.
I would have killed Michelle at night.
Did you have a strongman kill? I can't remember. She would have blocked you but if you had a strongman it would have gotten her.
...why did she have a block too? How many blocks did you guys have?
I became an entirely useless player very quickly and you had a role check.
Like--- which baddie in their right mind isn't blocking me every single night? I couldn't block anyone every night. I couldn't protect anyone every night. I couldn't track anyone every night.

Though-- I just remembered I could have forced you to vote for yourself or Michelle for you because DDL differentiated that into a day power, not a night power.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:40 pm This game was a stomp. Mafia was much better than the civilians, as observed by how the civilians had an incredibly low scum lynch ratio.

Granted, you guys spent half the games milling through the indies, but if civs and indies only attack each other that means the mafia is doing well.

The only reason the game wasn't over by Day 8, which it should when civs are that bad at lynching mafia, is because of the Tarvek role. That role was allowed to be that good because I assumed it would be balanced by its inability to detect culted civilians. But nutella died too early so Jack was allowed to build a perfect PoE, which ended up breaching through the non-claim rule (something I allowed it to do or the role would have been pointless), and turn the endgame into a boring stalemate. Mafia was able to power through in the end because I like to ensure mafia always has the tools to shut down civilians who reveal their abilities in the open (like they did here), as well as prevent civs from beating mafia with abilities only. Civs need to lynch, and civs didn't lynch mafia in this game. At least not until Jack started monopolizing it with his role.

Juliets was one-shot BP. Big deal. So was Higgs an most of the indies. In a game with so many kills, mafia also needs kill protection. Everything in mafia's arsenal was meant to counter something the civs had.

The Take 5 Bomb was considerably more powerful. But town had a revive, which Mac could have had used but he decided to save it for later for some reason and then mafia managed to cop him and take him down before he could). And the Take 5 Bomb pratically ensured the saved mafioso would die next day, unless they pulled a huge vote fliparound, as well as blocked and silenced 2 mafiosos.
I didn't out myself. They had a role check. It was only obvious what was going on when there were literally only civs who had had BTSC left and Mafia who had btsc left. That wasn't my doing.
Baddies have significantly more information than any one civilian. And they can leverage it better. That's the trade off for fewer numbers.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:54 pm When you want to balance something, look at your game and ask yourself this:

"I am signing up for this game. Which side do I want to be on?"
Honestly, I went in thinking the civs had the highest risk of being OP.
When they can be role checked and then blocked indefinitely, nah.

I had a lot of fun though. It just became apparent that we couldn't win very quickly after I was infinitely blocked.

Dom, Michelle had a block because that was her power. I was Klaus and did not have one. While Dizzy was in the game he used his power to also block. So if you guys had lynched me Day 10, Michelle would have been alive that night with a block and a kill, and the plan was to block you (we did not realize you could kill though).

Also our role checker was sig and he died night 2. He had one role check night 1 and that was Mac. We then killed Mac because we found out he had that Rezz. We knew you were Agatha in late game because of Jack's hint.

We really felt we were sunk late game because both you and Jack had those hidden parts of your roles. We didn't know what they were and debated a lot about what actions to take at night.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:20 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:14 pm When I played, I had fun. That's important.
Thanks, Epi. And sorry for any annoyance caused. Truth is, I've made and hosted about 10 role madness games so far. Only 2 really left me satisfied: Hogwarts and Ace Attorney. This one was one of my best ones I think, but still doesn't ompare to those too. It seems making a perfect RM game is a huge task.
Don't sweat it.

Early Epi death = Juliets is bad.

Go from there.

There were four of us. I don't remember killing you as being my idea, but maybe it was. But has a team I've been on killed you early in another game? I legit don't remember. Anyway, by saying this you have set up a way that people can implicate me in the future by killing you. Seems like that would mean you would die more.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:17 pm I thought the mafia team had specifically chosen to kill me with the bomb, but nope, just a flat rng.... : PerC Dry emoji :

You were so unpredictable for us, we worried about you being alive but yeah we weren't allowed to point at who we killed with the bomb. If we had been able to I think we would have chosen Dom because his role was so powerful. I really enjoyed playing with you Owner and though I'm sorry you didn't have more time to play, I feel like we were lucky you didn't.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:20 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:14 pm When I played, I had fun. That's important.
Thanks, Epi. And sorry for any annoyance caused. Truth is, I've made and hosted about 10 role madness games so far. Only 2 really left me satisfied: Hogwarts and Ace Attorney. This one was one of my best ones I think, but still doesn't ompare to those too. It seems making a perfect RM game is a huge task.
Don't sweat it.

Early Epi death = Juliets is bad.

Go from there.

There were four of us. I don't remember killing you as being my idea, but maybe it was. But has a team I've been on killed you early in another game? I legit don't remember. Anyway, by saying this you have set up a way that people can implicate me in the future by killing you. Seems like that would mean you would die more.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:17 pm I thought the mafia team had specifically chosen to kill me with the bomb, but nope, just a flat rng.... : PerC Dry emoji :

You were so unpredictable for us, we worried about you being alive but yeah we weren't allowed to point at who we killed with the bomb. If we had been able to I think we would have chosen Dom because his role was so powerful. I really enjoyed playing with you Owner and though I'm sorry you didn't have more time to play, I feel like we were lucky you didn't.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:34 pm Power madness games are very hard to balance. A lot is up to luck and chance. For example, had certain mafia roles died earlier while certain town roles had survived, the game could easily be very town sided (or sided with an Indy role getting the upper hand). That's just part of a role and mechanics heavy game. There's usually some salt left after that, and that's fine. I'm very happy with my play in any case, as I am with the other active mafia and I think it was a deserved win that of course was helped by a fair share of luck. As would any win in a power madness game. One side losing doesn't mean they played badly. Such is mafia.

Totally agree, well said Dizzy.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:24 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:20 pm You missed the part where the bomb meant we were silenced the next phase and the votes at the time we dropped the bomb would be assessed the next day so there were definitely negative consequences for using it.
You're mafia. Your silence is a benefit to you. Mafia don't want to talk.

The civilian faction had to lynch or kill eight in order to win.

This lasted 10 Days.

Think about that.

I'll have to leave the balance explanation to DDL. He explained it to me but I can't do it justice.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:02 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:13 pm Aw. So close. But it really was a stretch for me to stand a good chance of winning this. When I subbed in the game was more or less solved and most of the popular lynch candidates weren't sparks.

In the end, if I'd had juliets lynched today, I'd have boosted Michelle's vote tonight and won with mafia by lynching the last spark tomorrow. Town had already lost the game on Day 10 unless they managed some lucky tie shenanigans, I'm assuming jack was aware of that which is why he wouldn't go for juliets. Phooey.
I would have killed Michelle at night.

Did you have a strongman kill? I can't remember. She would have blocked you but if you had a strongman it would have gotten her.

You missed the part where the bomb meant we were silenced the next phase and the votes at the time we dropped the bomb would be assessed the next day so there were definitely negative consequences for using it.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:13 pm Aw. So close. But it really was a stretch for me to stand a good chance of winning this. When I subbed in the game was more or less solved and most of the popular lynch candidates weren't sparks.

In the end, if I'd had juliets lynched today, I'd have boosted Michelle's vote tonight and won with mafia by lynching the last spark tomorrow. Town had already lost the game on Day 10 unless they managed some lucky tie shenanigans, I'm assuming jack was aware of that which is why he wouldn't go for juliets. Phooey.

Actually in discord I found out (after the game was over) that Jack is out of town with his family. I'm not sure he remembered that the lynch ended today but maybe you are right Quin. Once we figured out that you could only win with us we knew we would probably win. I was really sweating it before that. Sorry it worked out the way it did, it would have made up for killing you in the first place if you had been able to win.

Oh wow Luna had sided with us so she would have betrayed us! That would have really hurt. Glad she died. Cool role though.

Good game townies! We killed you as fast as we could but still a handful of awesome civs were left in the end. We really sweated bullets and made some critical errors. We finally figured out what Quin was doing and I'm sorry he does not share in this win. nutella, it's a shame you died early because one more faction would have added even more complexity and you would have been a formidable foe. Finally, kisses xx to Dizzy, Michelle, sable and sig. Thank goodness Dizzy was the one to replace in he is awesome at strategy.

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:42 pm Actually...

@Dom @Quin your thoughts?

x

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:45 pmJuliets?

You are suggesting me? Or asking me?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:37 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:01 am Good morning, I agree with a vote on Michelle and will do so now.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:01 am Good morning, I agree with a vote on Michelle and will do so now.
This doesn’t make sense

?

Good morning, I agree with a vote on Michelle and will do so now.

Sorry guys, I got caught up in the mafia mania of the champs special chat and spent all day in there. I'll be back here tomorrow.

Awesome!

Oh wait [mention]Dom[/mention] maybe I read that wrong. Maybe you weren't talking to me.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:53 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:53 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:22 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:19 pmI think Dom has been aggressive and pointedly questioning people which is what I remember of town Dom. And with Jack its just the opposite, he has not been pointed and aggressive which is how I see him when he is bad. Could one or both of them be bad? Sure. I am more reading them for tone and that can be dangerous. I am certainly taking a look at them today to make sure I'm comfortable and because I think there are one or more scum and the sk voting for me.

Right now though I am looking at Tony who is lower on my list.
Dom has been aggressive in bursts here and there, sure. And look now when scum is close to a win it's all "I don't know I'm so lost right now". If Dom and Jack are both town to you then almost everyone else should be scum. Am I scum to you? In which case why? It's like you're not paranoid at all. Are you normally this calm and shrug about games?
I am definitely paranoid and I'm forcing myself to be calm so I can read through the people I need to read through. My mission was to decide between you and Owner and Tony but I understand what you are saying, that I ought to reconsider whether I am wrong about one or both of Dom and Jack. I'm doing the best that I can with the time that I have.

Reading through Tony I'm seeing a lot of philosophical and theoretical arguments other than a suspicion of Dom that seems odd - based on his meta but before he read games to understand his meta. And it seems the ones he chose were not the best (at least according to Dom). He's also voting for me so is in the suspect pool. I am dropping him from my town list.
...I truly know you're bad now.

"Wow Dom played nice all game, he lynched everyone I wanted him to lynch. He realizes how wrong he was now. Let's turn on him."

Dom, dom, dom where are you seeing that in what I wrote?? Here is the only thing I said about you "but I understand what you are saying, that I ought to reconsider whether I am wrong about one or both of Dom and Jack. I'm doing the best that I can with the time that I have." I had named you and Jack as town. All I said here is I knew I ought to make sure that I was right about the two of you. I never said "Lets turn on him" or anything even approximating that. Do you not want me to carefully consider who I'm considering as town? I sure want people to do that.

Ok I have to go to bed. I'll be here first thing in the morning, then I have to go to work and will still be there at EOD. Please reconsider if you are voting me - I am not bad here. Read my posts, look at them from a town standpoint instead of a baddie pov.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:09 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:47 pm So Jack, who I'm still town reading even after reading his posts, feels sure about Tony and Dom. Meanwhile, I have taken Tony out of my civ pool, mostly for playing in a way that seemed to deal mostly in theory and not hard stances. It reminds me of what Jack said to Michelle in that I've got to decide if I think Jack is town do I trust his reads as well. I have to think about that and read Dizzy who's yet another person thats been on my civ radar.
See but you’ve seen me play good town games. You can sheep me without being suspicious.

Lol, ok I'll keep that in mind.

So Jack, who I'm still town reading even after reading his posts, feels sure about Tony and Dom. Meanwhile, I have taken Tony out of my civ pool, mostly for playing in a way that seemed to deal mostly in theory and not hard stances. It reminds me of what Jack said to Michelle in that I've got to decide if I think Jack is town do I trust his reads as well. I have to think about that and read Dizzy who's yet another person thats been on my civ radar.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:33 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:11 pm Town
nova (or culted, something he said today made me consider it)
Juliets
Jack

Slight Town
Epi
Sloonei
Creature

Reevaluating/Lots of Back forth thoughts, but above the Nulls
Dragomir
Nutella

Null
Mac
Dom
Luna

Slight Scum
Quin
timmer

Scum
Tony

Others, I don't remember their posts
The entire mafia probably in Owner’s null reads means what for Owner?

I don't play with Owner often so I don't know if she's always this way or not, but she sure seems authentic in the way she has played. I just don't know if that is something she has learned how to do as scum as well as town. Anybody here thats played with her often have an opinion on this?

linki

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:10 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:01 pm Jack, I think it's time to tell us what you meant by this:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:40 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:14 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:08 pm
Sure. Potential.
Why am I defending someone I haven't voted for instead of you defending your vote for her... ?
That seems ass-backwards.
Last I checked, I asked you a question, and you flat out deflected. I don't care that you're not voting for them. I was curious why you thought the votes on her were bad.

I kind wanted to see both sides of the coin here. But all I got, is more of reason to look into Dom if Michelle turns out to be a baddie.
I have a really stupid reason to think Dom is town and also he seems pretty much like town Dom. (But I've never seen scum Dom so take that with a grain of salt.)

I would love to but it’s skirting the rules to say any more about that.

Ok, how about this - do you still believe you have a reason outside of him seeming like town Dom, even if it is a "stupid" reason?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:16 pm I know the answer is to actually iso Owner, Juliets and Dys and vote off Sprityo but I’m not looking forward to that first thing.

@TonyStarkPrime @Dom @juliets @Owner of a Lonely Heart @Dyslexicon

Can we agreed to lynch/bus Sprityo?

Sprityo not caring means he’s not the sk. Him continuing to post exactly once means he doesn’t want to be blocked. That means he has a partner to send in his action. If he was town, he wouldn’t know what to do with his power or care about getting modkilled given the amount of care he shows in his posts.

He is exactly a wolf. Can we all agree on that?

And if i am somehow wrong this is the best way to lose cause we can throw tomatoes at him and call him a game thrower and blame the crests.

I am totally in favor of voting sprityo, and will do it now (I think that answers your other question for me).

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:48 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:45 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:43 am If Juliets is town, we are just super unlucky.
If juliets is town, at least one scum is already voting for her.

---
Though I think the world where sprityo is town would be be way more unlucky
Ie you would have to be mafia.

Agreed. I don’t think Sprityo plays this way as a townie either.

So why in the hell are you voting for me? sprityo won't get mod killed if he doesn't post today - just blocked.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:43 am If Juliets is town, we are just super unlucky.

I wouldn't call it unlucky - and I don't call people stupid in mafia games because that's insane. I think no one is looking at my posts and trying to see town. They are just trying to see mafia or sk and in the meantime calling me too calm as if I were supposed to be screaming at people. Not my style.

Jack, I think it's time to tell us what you meant by this:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:40 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:14 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:08 pm
Sure. Potential.
Why am I defending someone I haven't voted for instead of you defending your vote for her... ?
That seems ass-backwards.
Last I checked, I asked you a question, and you flat out deflected. I don't care that you're not voting for them. I was curious why you thought the votes on her were bad.

I kind wanted to see both sides of the coin here. But all I got, is more of reason to look into Dom if Michelle turns out to be a baddie.
I have a really stupid reason to think Dom is town and also he seems pretty much like town Dom. (But I've never seen scum Dom so take that with a grain of salt.)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:22 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:19 pmI think Dom has been aggressive and pointedly questioning people which is what I remember of town Dom. And with Jack its just the opposite, he has not been pointed and aggressive which is how I see him when he is bad. Could one or both of them be bad? Sure. I am more reading them for tone and that can be dangerous. I am certainly taking a look at them today to make sure I'm comfortable and because I think there are one or more scum and the sk voting for me.

Right now though I am looking at Tony who is lower on my list.
Dom has been aggressive in bursts here and there, sure. And look now when scum is close to a win it's all "I don't know I'm so lost right now". If Dom and Jack are both town to you then almost everyone else should be scum. Am I scum to you? In which case why? It's like you're not paranoid at all. Are you normally this calm and shrug about games?

I am definitely paranoid and I'm forcing myself to be calm so I can read through the people I need to read through. My mission was to decide between you and Owner and Tony but I understand what you are saying, that I ought to reconsider whether I am wrong about one or both of Dom and Jack. I'm doing the best that I can with the time that I have.

Reading through Tony I'm seeing a lot of philosophical and theoretical arguments other than a suspicion of Dom that seems odd - based on his meta but before he read games to understand his meta. And it seems the ones he chose were not the best (at least according to Dom). He's also voting for me so is in the suspect pool. I am dropping him from my town list.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:50 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:13 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:16 pm @Dyslexicon
@juliets

Your guess at the 4 townies and the sker?
At the moment I think Dom is town, and I think you are town. I don't have a third just yet because I haven't read back on everyone I want to. I don't know how to guess who the sk'er is but I can tell you I think sprityo is bad, it may be him.
Why do you think Dom and Jack are town though? They are both voting you atm? So if you are town and they are town, then town is absolutely fucking doomed. Please explain

I think Dom has been aggressive and pointedly questioning people which is what I remember of town Dom. And with Jack its just the opposite, he has not been pointed and aggressive which is how I see him when he is bad. Could one or both of them be bad? Sure. I am more reading them for tone and that can be dangerous. I am certainly taking a look at them today to make sure I'm comfortable and because I think there are one or more scum and the sk voting for me.

Right now though I am looking at Tony who is lower on my list.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:01 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:36 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:08 am how jack is speaking sounds like he knows juliets is town which really bothers me.
If I was scum, fuck mislynching. I’d want the serial killer.

If you’re town, I don’t see how Juliets can be.
Jack, I'm not following the logic here. Why couldn't Owner and I both be town?
Because I’m pretty sure Dom and Tony and myself are all town.

There aren’t 5 townies left.

Ok, then help me out. What makes Tony good?

Thats ridiculous unless the team is totally inept.

Also [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] I think your snide remark about "look at my mistake" is unfair. Of course I'm going to bring up things that show I'm civ.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:27 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:19 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:41 pm Juliets is super calm for someone with 5 votes after basicalky not being voted all game and the town might not mathematically even have a way to win.

I'm not sure what you expect me to do Jack. It's a mistake to lynch me, I am civ, but I don't feel like anyone is giving me anything to defend. Dom mentioned my votes but I walked through those and his response was it didn't look like I wanted to get blood on my hands. I bet I could say that about most people in this game if I listed their votes.

I just can't see how people could think that I'm bad after I started the lynch train on sable day 5, and before that there was this:

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:34 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:32 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:31 pm Dang, RIP Mac and Epi, two good roles in one night.

Also isn't Luna dead?
Hmm where did you see that?
Which part? They are both above ^.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:35 pm Well dang, I just looked again - we lynched nutella not Luna.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:35 pm This whole time I thought we lynched Luna, lol.
This was at the very beginning of Day 3. Do you think I went through Night 2 with teammates and they didn't straighten me out on the lynch? Or do you think all of that was fake? Have you ever seen me fake something like that before in a game?

So Jack I don't know how you think I should be behaving. Part of me thinks people will come to their senses if they read my ISO. Part of me though thinks one or two people have jumped on my bandwagon to avoid a scum lynch. The SK is probably on me too. I just hope reason and civs prevail.
“See look at this mistake I made I must be Town”
Also considering that neither Luna nor Nutella were scum I’d consider it highly probable that that would not get straightened out

So I'm part of a team that strategized night moves without regard to who was still in the game?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:24 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:36 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:08 am how jack is speaking sounds like he knows juliets is town which really bothers me.
If I was scum, fuck mislynching. I’d want the serial killer.

If you’re town, I don’t see how Juliets can be.
Jack, I'm not following the logic here. Why couldn't Owner and I both be town?
he’s probably thinking math but I’m willing to buy that we have a maniacally murdering Dom on our hands

I think almost anything is possible even though I have Dom as civ. I haven't seen bad Dom in a long time, so long that I can't remember what one looks like.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:44 am
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:39 am Ok, I am leaving for my appointments and will be back around 4:00, plenty of time to be sure I feel good about my vote. I really hope sabie12 responds in that time, as well as sprityo. Michelle as Dizzy points out you have not been around either so I would like to hear what is going on with you and what your thoughts are about the game. Ok back later.
or maybe all the ATs are the team? and jack is the sk?

What is an AT?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:36 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:08 am how jack is speaking sounds like he knows juliets is town which really bothers me.
If I was scum, fuck mislynching. I’d want the serial killer.

If you’re town, I don’t see how Juliets can be.

Jack, I'm not following the logic here. Why couldn't Owner and I both be town?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:41 pm Juliets is super calm for someone with 5 votes after basicalky not being voted all game and the town might not mathematically even have a way to win.

I'm not sure what you expect me to do Jack. It's a mistake to lynch me, I am civ, but I don't feel like anyone is giving me anything to defend. Dom mentioned my votes but I walked through those and his response was it didn't look like I wanted to get blood on my hands. I bet I could say that about most people in this game if I listed their votes.

I just can't see how people could think that I'm bad after I started the lynch train on sable day 5, and before that there was this:

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:34 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:32 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:31 pm Dang, RIP Mac and Epi, two good roles in one night.

Also isn't Luna dead?
Hmm where did you see that?
Which part? They are both above ^.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:35 pm Well dang, I just looked again - we lynched nutella not Luna.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:35 pm This whole time I thought we lynched Luna, lol.

This was at the very beginning of Day 3. Do you think I went through Night 2 with teammates and they didn't straighten me out on the lynch? Or do you think all of that was fake? Have you ever seen me fake something like that before in a game?

So Jack I don't know how you think I should be behaving. Part of me thinks people will come to their senses if they read my ISO. Part of me though thinks one or two people have jumped on my bandwagon to avoid a scum lynch. The SK is probably on me too. I just hope reason and civs prevail.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:38 am Who do you want to lynch today @j@juliets ?

Start there.

If I had to lynch someone right now it would be sprityo.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:38 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:09 am
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:11 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:06 am Ok, they both look bad to me but I give Michelle the edge over timmer. Have to vote now -

Also Quin thanks for answering my question, meditative noises lol.
juliets-- you've managed to be on the losing side of every lynch.
Why's that?
I'm not sure what you mean by "losing end" of every vote.

Day 1 I voted for Rej. So did you, so did timmer, so did Drago. The Rej lynch prevailed. Does that mean I was on the losing end?

Day 2 I voted Dragomir along with Tony. The vote was tied between Lunalee and nutella. Was I on the losing end of that vote?

Day 3 I voted Lunalee who was lynched along with a bunch of other people including you. Was I on the losing end of that vote?

Day 4 I voted Creature who tied with sable. This vote is one where I would say I was on the losing end because sabie was bad. I walked through this vote of mine in a lengthy post earlier this game, there is nothing else I can say about it.

Day 5 I voted sabie. The counter wagon was timmer. sabie was bad, timmer was civ. Was I on the losing end of that vote?

Day 6 I voted Michelle while a bunch of others including you voted timmer who was civ. Was I on the losing end of that vote?

I realize I voted for some civs, but is there anyone here who has not? I don't know who is good and who is bad, I'm just using my best judgement at the time I vote. I think it is unfair for you to say I was on the losing end of every vote because I wasn't.
You've managed to avoid a lot of blood on your hands is all.
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:21 am I have to go to the dentist now and then rehab. I will be back mid afternoon. If you are voting for me I hope you read my iso. I don't have time now to go through every reason you guys used but I will do that this afternoon.
Diction is everything.
What a choice of words there...

I haven't been voting with the thought that I didn't want to get blood on my hands. If I had I wouldn't have voted Rej or Creature. I've just voted where I thought the person was bad.

I don't understand your implication about using the word "used". Would you explain please?

I have to go to the dentist now and then rehab. I will be back mid afternoon. If you are voting for me I hope you read my iso. I don't have time now to go through every reason you guys used but I will do that this afternoon.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:34 am Options:

Juliets: defending LC to earn townie badge
Juliets: saying a rational thing

I don't know why you put an "ugh" under my quote where I say I have been looking for reasons that LC could be bad and couldn't find any except the RIP and his playing chess in the thread. Did you see that differently? Did you or others see any other reasons LC was taking votes? Was my reasoning off in some way? It was me playing mafia and pointing out that something didn't make sense, and I don't think I was the only one who felt that way.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:16 pm @Dyslexicon
@juliets

Your guess at the 4 townies and the sker?

At the moment I think Dom is town, and I think you are town. I don't have a third just yet because I haven't read back on everyone I want to. I don't know how to guess who the sk'er is but I can tell you I think sprityo is bad, it may be him.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:11 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:06 am Ok, they both look bad to me but I give Michelle the edge over timmer. Have to vote now -

Also Quin thanks for answering my question, meditative noises lol.
juliets-- you've managed to be on the losing side of every lynch.
Why's that?

I'm not sure what you mean by "losing end" of every vote.

Day 1 I voted for Rej. So did you, so did timmer, so did Drago. The Rej lynch prevailed. Does that mean I was on the losing end?

Day 2 I voted Dragomir along with Tony. The vote was tied between Lunalee and nutella. Was I on the losing end of that vote?

Day 3 I voted Lunalee who was lynched along with a bunch of other people including you. Was I on the losing end of that vote?

Day 4 I voted Creature who tied with sable. This vote is one where I would say I was on the losing end because sabie was bad. I walked through this vote of mine in a lengthy post earlier this game, there is nothing else I can say about it.

Day 5 I voted sabie. The counter wagon was timmer. sabie was bad, timmer was civ. Was I on the losing end of that vote?

Day 6 I voted Michelle while a bunch of others including you voted timmer who was civ. Was I on the losing end of that vote?

I realize I voted for some civs, but is there anyone here who has not? I don't know who is good and who is bad, I'm just using my best judgement at the time I vote. I think it is unfair for you to say I was on the losing end of every vote because I wasn't.

I'm not sure where I'm at, I think I need to reassess everyone (except sprityo who has done nothing for town that I can see). There are people I've been considering as town who are bad, but who? Michelle who I considered bad most people didn't vote for, why? I wish some others were here to bounce things off of - where is everyone? My hours seem to be opposite everyone else.

Tomorrow I will be here really early but have a long dentist appt that will take most of the morning. I will be around mid afternoon though.

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