The Syndicate

EBWOP: thank you DDL for your response.

lol, we're not weird. We call it Off Topic (just like you said) but usually OT for short. Much less to type than fluffing.

I am reading DDL at the moment - could someone tell me what "fluffing" means?

Yippee!! Another baddie down.

More reading for me today and I hope to be back in later with some reads (though on second thought I might save those for tomorrow morning to avoid doing it at night).

MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't understand why everyone is jumping on ika for the sportsmanship post.

The only reason I was even hesitating on ika was he has not been in the game very long and I felt like it wouldn't be sportsmanlike to vote him for that reason. Then, as I was thinking about it he said not to consider the sportsmanship issue on a vote for him. So, I didn't feel bad anymore and went ahead and voted him.

I have to go fix dinner so I won't be about for a little while but should be back by the time the lynch is ending.

linkitis: well now I see he's saying he doesnt think its fair to him. Not what he said in the beginning I don't think. Anyway, he was my top suspect.

I cannot get this through there is so much linki

I was thinking through a decision between ika and cookie and then I saw ika's latest post to throw sportsmanship out the window - so I'm no longer worried about giving him more of a chance. I'm voting espers/ika. (He was higher on my list but the fact that he hasnt' been in the game for very long created pause for me on voting him).

Scotty wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Working on Elo ISO now.

Regarding espers, I think the fact that espers chose to get a replacement, instead of attempting to complete what he started, pings me considerably. I know it's WIFOM, but I don't understand why a civilian would replace out amid such heavy suspicion, especially when other candidates became a possibility instead of him today (such as Cookie and LoRab). I think espers was hoping that it would buy him the necessary time to stay away from lynching.

Also, espers never really left my "scummiest" read, since he was at the bottom yesterday. I am trying to not tunnel "easy" reads that the thread seems to mostly suspect, because I don't want us to fall into autopilot mode, but I realize today that perhaps I'm trying to overcompensate too much in that regard and that I should continue to apply appropriate pressure if someone is truly acting scummy. espers kept promising baddie hunting, but never delivered, and his D1 vote still reeks of last minute bussing.

I see that angle, it makes sense. espers subbing in is exactly what TGG did in BoB, when the water got too hot, and he was cold blooded mafia.

However, if espers was at the bottom yesterday, MP, why didn't you vote him? You could have singlehandedly put the last vote needed on him yesterday. But you put it on Cookie.


Yo Russ, you gonna answer my questions or at least look at my ISO, or just carry on as if it doesn't exist?

I read espers today and find myself in agreement with what has been said here. He did keep promising to do more baddie hunting but in my view came up short. And his Day 1 vote certainly looked like jumping onto a teammate when all hope is lost to gain civ cred. On top of all this he left the game and we had not heard anything from him that I read that mentioned not being able to keep up because of RL or anything that would be the usual reason people drop out. Now that someone has subbed in I feel a little guilty thinking about putting a vote there but nevertheless it's between he and cookie for me. I though Lorab's defense post was good so I am going to drop her off my list for today. I'm not going to have time to study these latest cases like on Russ and MP for this round of voting but I will before the next vote.

RIPIYWG LC. I was looking forward to playing with you.
Welcome back Scotty, glad to have you alive (I think)

I am struggling along trying to read some of these people in isolation. Scotty, you said you feel Cookie has been blendy but I disagree. She seems totally lost which stands out to me. I agree with others that Cookie's vote for DH was suspect and that her threat to blame DDL if DH came up good was bad form. The situation surrounding that vote seems to be the main evidence on Cookie and this early in it may be enough to vote her. I just can't decide if she is, with her team's help, faking the newbie posts or whether as I pointed out before, she is genuinely clueless (no offense meant Cookie). Please tell me if there is some other big thing I missed on Cookie that might affect my voting for her.

I read through Lorab and saw what G-man said that started that whole debate. When I read G-Man's response I immediately thought indy but in no way did I think baddie. The other thing I noted is unless I have not read the roles correctly the Nite Owl II could only detect once and the Night Owl I can only detect once. That just doesn't seem like enough of a threat for someone to be addressing the LD by putting a checkable statement out there this early. On her comment on the Golden comment, I am more surprised that Golden said he was an important civ in the the thread. I do somewhat see her reasoning why that might have made Golden bad - otherwise why would he risk making himself a target. Unlike Lorab though i cannot say that most of the time I hear people say this they are baddies. People say all kinds of things when they are desperate. I feel like I must mention though that in games I've played with her Lorab marches to her own drummer and like she says concentrates on detail. I have to decide if disagreeing with Lorab equates with suspecting her of being bad. Please tell me if you think I missed anything that would affect my vote about Lorab.

I have a very long doctors appointment today and so will not be back on until later today. I will continue reading when I get back because as I understand it we have a vote tonight. I feel like I've got Day 1 type reactions to people (not feeling sure, tentative) but give me time to get my legs under me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm on campus for most of today, so I can't do a lot of analysis until later tonight, at the earliest.

I have to say, I don't think this is Bass's baddie game, folks. I feel pretty good about him, at least right now. I don't think he and Sloonei were distancing; if so, Bass's baddie game has definitely improved.

To LC and DDL: Do either of you have any questions you want me to answer to alleviate any of your suspicion?

DDL, I read your post, but don't have much of anything to add or defend against, since inevitably your opinion of my Day 1 behavior comes down to whether you believe I'm being a genuine civilian with a willingness to consider other suspects at EoD, or whether you think I was awkwardly distancing from Sloonei and am up to whatever other shady shenanigans. For example, we can argue until the cows come home on whether I would adopt a new distancing "style" here, but in the end, you're going to believe my actions are genuine or not, based on how I've conducted myself. Consequently, I read your post, and don't have anything else to say to your points. I can't really defend against WIFOM with anything other than WIFOM, but nonetheless I'd be happy to address any questions you still may have.

juliets, I would recommend conducting an ISO of Cookie, DDL, Elo, espers, and LoRab first, since they seem to be the players with the most potential buzz or uspicion on them. I would include myself as well in that category, but I'm not sure you have the time and energy to ISO me. Nonetheless, I'd be happy if you did.

MP, I agree that it's important for me to take a close look at those who have the most suspicion and then I will do LC and I'm going to try to do you before the vote too. I expect Cookie's will be short so maybe it will help me time-wise to get through some others that are longer.

linki elo

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Dragon D. Luffy, thanks for examining my posts. I was hoping someone would do this.

Do you have any questions for me, given your analysis? I read it all, relatively quickly, and while it inevitably had your subjective lens of trying to see if my actions had mafia explanations, I think you overall did a good job.

Honestly it was not meant to be completely impartial. I started the whole thing because I got a feeling that your vote for Scotty was fishy. So I went to your ISO and intended to make a case on that. But as I loooked at your ISO and tried to pinpoint how your suspicion on Scotty developed, I saw other things that looked suspicious to me. So I decided to do a full read on your d1 suspicions.

It's not really impartial because I looked at the whole thing assuming you have suspicious votes/reads. It could be more objective if I did the same thing about other players and compared it, though I dunno if I have the patience to do that for everyone. Maybe 1 or 2 players.

But either way, this isn't the first time I do that kind of analysis, and the other time I did it I caught the godfather, so I'm fairly confident on it. If anything, I'm gonna keep a closer attention at your votes from now on. Something tells me your vote on Cookie had a similar progression.

MovingPictures07 wrote:As I noted earlier, it is generally my mafia meta to, especially under pressure of the early game, throw my teammates under the bus, rather than defend them. What you consider I did here with Sloonei would be sloppy and not like my meta. That said, obviously, that's WIFOM. I realize it's WIFOM. And I realize that I'm prone to mistakes and always willing to change up my style and approach from game to game. But I at least wanted it said.

lol, you already did my job by pointing the WIFOM. Anyway, styles can change. From what I heard, once upon a time you never bussed people at all, until the time you started doing it. Also, when was the last time you were baddie in a game? I heard your civ playstyle changed after you went playing games on other sites, and that wasn't a long time ago. Maybe your baddie style changed too?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, I must call out the bolded/underlined. Do you not believe I formed opinions? I believe I did.

Ok, this one is kind of pointless to argue because it assumes alignment. If you are a civ, then obviously you're forming opinions. If you are bad, then obviously you're faking them.

I don't particulary think you're not forming opinions, though I do think your opinions on d1 had a tendency to follow the flow of other players. Except in Sloonei's case. You placed him as your #1 suspect when nobody else did, and dropped it before anyone caught up, then vehemently defended him as his bandwagon progressed. Maybe this is your new style for bussing?

DDL, could you just answer a couple of questions about this post?

First, you mention the vote on Scotty being what spurred you to do an analysis of the posts. Did you end up with any conclusions about that vote? Do you still find it suspicious and if so why?

Second, what do you mean by "the other time I caught the godfather"? Also, what progression are you referring to when you say his vote for Cookie had a "similar progression".

I apologize if these answers are elsewhere in the thread and I just have missed them.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think we should lynch LoRab tomorrow.

Metalmarsh, I read what Rico said about Lorab but I'd like to know what you've seen that makes you want to lynch her next. If you did an iso already on her just tell me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I seemed to have missed it. Who did you replace juliets?

timmer

Long Con wrote:That summary was excellent, Rico. Yeah, that's the core of my Bass suspicion, plus some gut feelings about him.

Rico, I can't thank you enough for that summary. Now I feel like I am grounded. I'm going to read some ISO's (funny how easily that entered our culture from other sites) and get a feel for who and why people are seeing as bad. I'll publish my own list as soon as I feel comfortable - certainly your summary put me a big step ahead.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

juliets wrote:Hello everyone! I have been skimming this game but not studying the game and I have no idea right now who I think is bad so I won't be voting in this vote thats in an hour or so. Like Spacedaisy I'm not going to try and go back and read everything though I am going to read these few superlong posts that just got posted.

The reason I didn't sign up for this game or Frisky Dingo is I am traveling a great deal in the next month starting next Saturday. I have internet once I get to where I'm going but while traveling in the car all day I have nothing. I will warn you when one of those travel days is coming and we'll just see how it works out.

Ok I'll be reading tonight whats current and also picking up some past ISO's.

linki
linki

I understand, juliets. Thanks for subbing in! If I have time, I may even make some summary posts for you, with links if you ever wish to view them for detail. I'd love to, it's just a matter of time available to do so. Or maybe someone else will get to it.

Also, timmer, I'm really going to miss playing this game with you, buddy. Hopefully we'll get to play again together soon.

Yes MP if you have the time or anyone else does to point me to summary posts it will be much appreciated. I have read some tonight but my head is spinning. And it's made me very tired. So I'm going to bed and going to attack it again in the morning.

Hello everyone! I have been skimming this game but not studying the game and I have no idea right now who I think is bad so I won't be voting in this vote thats in an hour or so. Like Spacedaisy I'm not going to try and go back and read everything though I am going to read these few superlong posts that just got posted.

The reason I didn't sign up for this game or Frisky Dingo is I am traveling a great deal in the next month starting next Saturday. I have internet once I get to where I'm going but while traveling in the car all day I have nothing. I will warn you when one of those travel days is coming and we'll just see how it works out.

Ok I'll be reading tonight whats current and also picking up some past ISO's.

linki
linki

Elohcin wrote:Hey Jules! I can see you Sup?

Hey Eloh, just following what I can of the game .