The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:

juliets wrote:Does anyone know about the banners for this game? It's been over for more than a month now.

I'd recommend contacting the Graphics Team via PM, see if they know which one of them is handling it and whether Mongoose got them any images and such, or what the deal is.

Good idea! I will do so!

Does anyone know about the banners for this game? It's been over for more than a month now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Sorsha was the bussing champion of 2016 and is well on her way to defending her crown.

Major props to Epi for that read. I think that secured the win.

I agree. We were considering her untouchable before Epi lit into her. Really good job sorsha.

I got your hint right away LC, and was glad to get it as I still had the axis of evil in my head and wasn't sure about you because of the llama lynch.

What were the rules on the messages Long Con could send? Did they mean anything or were they just gibberish?

Mongoose you were an awesome host - I don't know what mistakes you made but I didn't notice them.

Who had the +2 vote and who had the -1 vote? And Quin, was the thing you figured out but didn't want to tell us that JJJ was Casual Friday?

mongoose come back to the chatzy and tell us about your trial!

I believed so strongly in your axis of evil llama.

Yes I should have realized he was for sure faking it when I caught him asking if ties are no- lynches after he said he didn't want a tie. But I was really swayed by Epi since he was so dead on with the Sorsha suspicion.

And thanks for the game Mongoose it was lots of fun, even if only Scotty got my hints.

It's over, it's over, we won we won we won!!!!!!

LC thank god you sent me that confusing message which you then clarified.

Well shit why wouldn't it be over?

LC, I was the denim shirt! Thats why I kept saying about people "I'm pretty sure he's not the denim shirt".

Sorry INH but it all worked out for the best.

YAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY. WOOPY DOOOOOOOOOOO

OH MY GOD IT WAS MADE!

Long Con wrote:Juliets was my one thing I could really count on besides Boomslang. Now I don't believe in nuthin' no more.

If Epi had voted INH, I would have voted there.

I've just about broadcasted who I am.

Epi why didn't you vote?

Ok, I can't wait any longer or I'm going to risk missing the vote. Epi was right about Sorsha and his analysis of Made makes some sense to me. I think if Made were bussing with his wilgy vote he would not have said he didn't see the case on wilgy. INH's votes look terrible and as I said, I'm pretty sure he's not the denim shirt. So, I'm voting for INH. I hope I'm right or if I'm not, that the votes swing made's way.

Scotty wrote:

That example of bad Made does look slightly different than this one.

Ok fam. Here's the deal.

I didn't suspect INH because I thought him to be the Denim Shirt. That is a prevailing judgment that is not necessarily backed up, and is more based on gut. His voting record is garbage, so I can't really defend that.

But I would warn that if you are to vote elsewhere besides Made, you should all solidify your votes there in case of those vote manipulations that may still be in play.

I'm pretty sure INH is not the denim shirt, but beyond that as I said before the only thing bad I see are his votes. There are 3 of us who haven't voted. If we don't all 3 vote INH then we will either have a tie which I don't see as a viable option or Made will be lynched. Time is short. I'd really like to know what you guys are thinking.

Long Con wrote:I think the first time we saw someone silenced was after you subbed in, juliets.

I'm pretty sure there was someone silenced before that but I could not tell you who. If I were the silencer I would not have used my power this late in the game.

So Epi, if its definitely not Made and INH is silenced who are you looking at for a vote? I guess since this is the last baddie I could vote for someone silenced but I am not convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt it is INH. His voting is the worst but on the other side of the coin, Sorshas voting was outstanding and she was bad.

linki - oh good LC you're back. What do you think?

Epignosis wrote:INH is either silenced or pretending to be silenced.

Damn. I didn't even think about that. I assumed the silencer was dead.

I can see puts and takes on both Made and INH. I wish INH would come on site and talk to us. Epi, what are you thinking? I know you are not thinking Made but what about INH?

Scotty wrote:

Made wrote:So y'all know I got about an hour left at work, when I leave I'll have to vote.

Honestly your best bet if no one starts voting is an INH vote.

If you're not bad, that is.

Yeah if I vote for someone not you Made it will be INH.

Ok, thats very helpful Scotty. I am officially at least considering an INH vote.

Actually, I think the best argument for Made not being bad is that he said he didn't see the case on Wilgy when he voted him. If it was a bus vote it was a mistake to say that.

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I still think voting Wilgy instead of 3J Day 3 is a solid point in Made's favor. Scotty, and those suspecting Made, how do you interpret that?

Sorsha bussed DDL. What do you make of that?

I agree with this thought.

Scotty stated a fact and then asked a question. What thought is it you're agreeing with?

I'm interpreting Scotty's thought to be "Sorsha was bussing why couldn't Made have been bussing?" That's the thought I'm agreeing with.

Made, I have a question from earlier in the game. On Day 2 you said this:

Made wrote:Anyone else considering a vote on JJJ? I don't want to force a tie.

but then on Day 3 you said this:

Made wrote:Do we know ties=no lynch?

If you didn't know that ties = no lynch on Day 2 why did you say you didn't want to force a tie on Day 2?

Made wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Made wrote:Sorry to strawman, but to clarify my own defense, it sounds like the base of the argument against me (with addition to the fact that i've not posted too much this game which is true) is that I voted to lynch mafia. Thankfully we do have 3 days to figure this out, but I'm not sure I understand how I'm getting so much heat.
(Also there is role hinting at play which I've never been good at picking up on so that is what it is I guess)

There is a role that I think I know, but it's not because of a hint. I haven't caught, or done, any overt hinting.

When most of the baddie votes were bussing votes, I'm sure you can see how voting to lynch Mafia doesn't exonerate you.

Yeah, I get why it doesn't exonerate, but If I'm reading things right, the arguments seems to be that it makes me guilty.

I don't see it as making you guilty, it just doesn't give me a reason to rule you out.

Scotty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I still think voting Wilgy instead of 3J Day 3 is a solid point in Made's favor. Scotty, and those suspecting Made, how do you interpret that?

Sorsha bussed DDL. What do you make of that?

I agree with this thought.

Epi, here's something I'm thinking about: it seems like the quin kill would be one INH wouldn't want to make because that would leave just he and LC of the axis of evil group making his lynch more likely. Do you disagree?

I will admit though its a close call for me between Made and INH.

Long Con wrote:He sounds pretty genuine to me as well. I'd give him a 3.67 rating out of 5, all in all.

Gotcha.

Long Con wrote:Bit of both. He made me a little suspicious with his "knowing a bunch of roles" talk, especially since he listed Llama and I as bad just a couple of days before he claimed to know my role, and I don't see any way he could have figured out my role in the interim. That's very sketchy in my eyes. That looks more like a decision to try a new tactic and less like honest gameplay.

Do you have a reason he should be higher on my list?

For the moment I tend to believe his claim that he knows who you and INH are and it leads me to consider Made as my most likely vote today. If you ask me why I believe him though I don't really have a great reason other than he sounded genuine to me. I see what you're saying though about him listing you guys as bad just days before. Maybe he re-read you and realized something he had missed before.

LC your placement of Scotty in your rainbow list is interesting. Do you have a specific reason for placing him so low or is that just where he came out after you placed everybody else?

Rip blooper! We will avenge you!

Scotty wrote:

Made wrote:Thought the vote was later, but good result!

Will catch up after dinner

The bear is still eating, it seems

Yes, I was expecting a post.

Haha one of the results is from her post! I'm voting for the rock again - I like it's story.

Long Con wrote:

juliets wrote:He also made a somewhat cryptic post that was something like "I just realized a thing. Not something I want to share". (sorry for not pulling the quote but I think my paraphrase is pretty close).

That's the one, Jules. Don't waste another thought on it though, I thought you meant a different quote until I started to put together a scathing post against Epi and found the error.

Oh, ok. Thanks for the clarification.

I guess we're in for a slow day today.

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Hey LC- what did I lie about?

Oh, that.

I mixed up two Quin quotes. I'm sorry about all that.

The one that you and juliets are referring to... It was about JJJ wasn't it?

LC, I looked back over my last few posts and didn't see anything involving a Quin quote. Can you clarify what you are talking about here?

Hooray!! And kudos to llama for spotting a baddie right out of the gate. Good job Epi!

Sorsha, gotta hand it to you, you're a smart baddie.

Epignosis wrote:If Made is good, then I say the final two bad guys are Sorsha and INH. I think Sorsha is being absurd in her fears about the weight llama had Day 1. That's bogus.

I do think Made had the perfect reason to vote JJJ on day 3 and he didn't, which leaves me with Sorsha. Epi made a good case against her today and I am convinced both on the merits of the case and because I can't make a decision between LC and INH today. Scotty's assertion that he knows who both of them are worries me as well. So I will bite the bullet nd vote Sorsha.

LC where do you think your vote is going tonight?

Sorsha wrote: <snip>
I recognize the benefit of bussing a teammate for the credibility but, with what I was going through day one here, I would have just told my teammates to buss me for the credit. It would have been easy enough to do. wifom argument I know but really, llama and jjj were both after me day one. Its more like me to just go ahead and take the death and let my teammates take the credit.

Also, there are a few players with good voting records that have not been targeted. Why hasn't anyone tried killing niju? Her record is nearly as good as mine. Boomslang was targeted night one but since then- and his votes on both ddl and wilgy he has extremely high civ credit. Why haven't they taken another shot at him? You have also had a pretty high degree of trust in this game, why have you not been targeted?

Sorsha I guess one thing that occurs to me is you don't have that choice to get bussed if people start voting for DDL first.

I don't know why blooper and booms haven't been nk'd either. I brought that up in my discussion of Booms (at least about him).

My gut is starting to trust Scotty's assertion that he knows who LC and INH are which means my vote is probably between Made and Sorsha.

linki: ok Epi I'll just forget it and assume you were just playing and I just don't get it

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:I fell asleep reading LC's posts and now I need to cook dinner and try and think.

Epi, my google translate says this means "One. I cannot post when my son is evil". Can you enlighten me as to what you are talking about (I don't totally trust google translate)?

Epignosis wrote:

Boomslang wrote:The only thing that makes sense to me about the Quin kill is that it was Made looking to throw me off the trail. I had associated him and Quin previously; how better to protest innocence than to cast a non-influential vote for Quin, then nightkill him? That way, Made gets to say both that he agreed with my assessment of Quin and that he's civ because Quin flipped civ. I also think Scotty is making some useful points, and I could lean that way today.

Interestingly, the only people left alive who voted Quin on Day 2 are Scotty, Blooper, Epi, and me. I don't know if that's useful, considering both JJJ and Quin were NKed, but just a thought. And Epi's missed a couple of votes, so it's harder to get a read on him beyond the Wilgy vote. Which would've been a brilliant bus.

Linki: INH's record is pretty abysmal, and very llama-tunneling. Hmm.

I missed one. Uno. No puedo publicar cuando mi hijo es malvado.

Trust the translator.

Ok but I still don't understand. Am I the only one who is not getting this? You said you didn't suspect Booms so it's not about him I don't think.

I fell asleep reading LC's posts and now I need to cook dinner and try and think.

Epi, my google translate says this means "One. I cannot post when my son is evil". Can you enlighten me as to what you are talking about (I don't totally trust google translate)?

Epignosis wrote:

Boomslang wrote:The only thing that makes sense to me about the Quin kill is that it was Made looking to throw me off the trail. I had associated him and Quin previously; how better to protest innocence than to cast a non-influential vote for Quin, then nightkill him? That way, Made gets to say both that he agreed with my assessment of Quin and that he's civ because Quin flipped civ. I also think Scotty is making some useful points, and I could lean that way today.

Interestingly, the only people left alive who voted Quin on Day 2 are Scotty, Blooper, Epi, and me. I don't know if that's useful, considering both JJJ and Quin were NKed, but just a thought. And Epi's missed a couple of votes, so it's harder to get a read on him beyond the Wilgy vote. Which would've been a brilliant bus.

Linki: INH's record is pretty abysmal, and very llama-tunneling. Hmm.

I missed one. Uno. No puedo publicar cuando mi hijo es malvado.

INH where are you thinking of voting today?

When I look at INH I see his votes for llama and jjj as the things not in his favor. There was a time when I was skimming the game when I thought jjj might be bad so I can actually see that suspicion. The llama suspicion though is beyond my grasp. I just don't agree with any of the points he made about llama and think that from the beginning llama looked civ (obviously a lot of people disagree with me on that).

On the other hand there was this post:

insertnamehere wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote: Care to be specific?

Okay. I've explained why I think one of your voting bloc is bad, and only one. I think the other baddie is one of the lower posters, likely Eloh 2.0 or Daisy. I think starting with one of your more active triumvirate will be more beneficial in terms of information for the civilians.

Quin has put up a spirited self-defense, and has weirded me out with calls to lynch him. I'm not usre a baddie would do this.

Long Con has been giving me generally good vibes all game and has been pretty helpful in terms of content.

You've been a wallflower since after Day 1. You characterize your playstyle as aggressive, but you seem depressed and apathetic. Even now, you seem resigned to your fate when only one vote has come in. Bitter, but not really resisting. You're not really making case son anyone. You only reluctantly came out of the woodwork to participate in the discussion when it became clear you were in danger. You make halfhearted claims about prizes. You seem unwilling to impart information to the civilian cause to be used after your death.

What reason do I have to think you're civ?

All of my top scum reads (you, 3J, and Quin) seem damn near teflon untouchable at this point, and I've been stymied at every possible juncture with every other read I have.

When I'm this fucking wrong, yes, I get depressed and apathetic. I'm also just a depressed and apathetic person in general, so this is more my baseline mood anyway.

I've said all I can about you three, I'm attempting to maybe look at other people, but the fact of the matter is that I feel the game has beaten me at this point.

If you think my reads and opinions are garbage because they implicate you, fine. I think calling me a damn wallflower and halfhearted and not helpful to the civilian cause is a step too far, but fine.

I have no powers available to save me, the one thing I got that I could use, I didn't because I figured that I'd save it for later, and no one seems to think my gut and my reads are worth anything. Even worse, I don't think my gut and my reads are worth anything.

INH at first did not want to say whether he had used his immunity or not but he did relent and tell us he had not used it. I saw this as a civ move as he could have just continued to say he wasn't going to tell us because that was the most helpful thing to do for him individually.

If INH is bad that to me means LC is good. I should probably do a more thorough read of LC today even though I didn't plan on it to see where I come out with him. The llama situation left a bad taste in my mouth but I realize that is the most recent behavior I have and I don't want to ignore earlier behavior that might be read as good. So, another read to do today I guess.

I've read through both Sorsha and INH and I could go either way on both of them. Instead of talking about the specifics I'm going to take a break from the thread (I've been mostly on here all day) and go exercise. When I come back I'll look at them again.

Interesting analysis on Sorsha Epi. I'll look at her after INH. You're right in that I tend to discount her based on her vote.

Why would you possibly vote LC today though? I have completely taken him off my list even though he is suspicious to me because he says he used his immunity today and it seems like a day he would use it a day after going after llama so hard. Do you think he is lying? I guess my reasoning just now points out that he could be not telling the truth precisely because it does seem like he would use his immunity today. So I guess I just talked myself into understanding.

linki I will read after posting