The Syndicate

juliets wrote:
Ricochet wrote:What happens in a tie
I think Scotty said ties are decided randomly.

Though that would be a hell of a way to decide this game.

Ricochet wrote:What happens in a tie

I think Scotty said ties are decided randomly.

Scotty wrote:
juliets wrote:
Ricochet wrote:I don't think the Quin power role complaint is fair, just like the Opt power role complaint is. Quin didn't use idols every tribal council. The others didn't eliminate him when he didn't. Their loss. Opt didn't win every challenge ever. In fact, she lost the very lost one. She was left in the game.

It is what it is.
I agree wholeheartedly. And we don't know what Sorsha's strategy was - it doesn't mean she didn't have one.
I agree. Looking forward to how Sorsha will respond to these questions.

Quin actually didn't use his role to the full advantage either. There were times in the early rubbings that he instead worked to better the tribe. I remember in like day 6-7 he told his BTSC partners not only his Rolex but where the possible idols were- so DF went looking in one location and Golden went looking in another, while Quin stoked the fire. That shows loyalty in his partners and faith that they wouldn't blindside him.

Oh wow that was nice.

Ricochet wrote:I don't think the Quin power role complaint is fair, just like the Opt power role complaint is. Quin didn't use idols every tribal council. The others didn't eliminate him when he didn't. Their loss. Opt didn't win every challenge ever. In fact, she lost the very lost one. She was left in the game.

It is what it is.

I agree wholeheartedly. And we don't know what Sorsha's strategy was - it doesn't mean she didn't have one.

DharmaHelper wrote:If Opt loses to Quin or Sorsha it will have been a robbery.

I think each of them has reasons why they would make a good winner. I hope it is a close vote.

And wow Lorab ate the chicken? I thought Scotty said Quin ate it, I must have misunderstood. Lorab ate it for a good reason though if what she says is true.

Glad to see Quin is fighting back against Lorab. So odd that she thinks people don't see that Eloh did the poisoning. Also odd that she's attacking if she and Sorsha want Quin to do something, namely vote Opt.

Scotty wrote:Sorsha and LoRab are discussing in BTSC which of Quin or Opt would be most likely to vote the other. Right now they've sorta agreed on appealing to Quin to vote out Opt. It's interesting that the question then isn't, "who would be the biggest threat at the end", but "who would help vote out the other."

It's currently looking like a 2-2 split of LoRab/Opt unless someone changes something in the thread.

That is interesting. I think Opt is the biggest threat. I'll enjoy any of the three who make it to the final.

Oh no! Lorab is trying to say Quin poisoned her. I wonder if she really believes that or is just trying to turn the group against Quin.

It seems to me Opt has the best chance of winning if it goes to jury so if I were Sorsha, Quin or Lorab I think that's who I'd vote for. Of course, I have the advantage of seeing what the jury members have said.

DharmaHelper wrote:I could solve it easily.

Lol!

DharmaHelper wrote:If Sorsha wins immunity they ought to get rid of Quin. But Quin will probably convince them to get rid of Opt.

If Sorsha wins immunity I would think they would get rid of the person they think is strongest with the jury. They might think that is Opt since she's won so many immunities and they probably know Golden and Epi were pledged to her. I can't really remember who knows what.

Scotty, the Ponderosa thread will still be open for the jury to talk about the answers they are getting from the players, right?

Ricochet wrote:
juliets wrote:
Ricochet wrote:^I agree. From what I'm reading, I think 50% of the jury will go bitter. Opt needs to win immunity and take players with her that have less chance to win over the jury. LoRab is prolly the best choice going forward. If it's Final 3, I'm not sure Sorsha would absorb too many votes, except if the jury is real salty on both Opt and LoRab. Quin could probably give her a hard time, maybe even make her lose.

Then again, the most vocal people to discuss who they like or dissent are S~V~S, Golden and Eloh. Epig appears to be willing to vote Opt now. INH doesn't seem to have an issue with recognizing Opt's game. No idea what the others think.
One thing that occurs to me is Epig could be persuaded by Elo's feelings about Opt and decide not to vote for her based on those feelings. Hard to tell though.
I think the fair thing would be for each to decide who he wants to give his vote to.

I don't see why Epignosis in particular would have issues assessing the worthiest player in a game for him.

The worthiest player in the game to him may not be the one who blindsided Eloh.

Ricochet wrote:^I agree. From what I'm reading, I think 50% of the jury will go bitter. Opt needs to win immunity and take players with her that have less chance to win over the jury. LoRab is prolly the best choice going forward. If it's Final 3, I'm not sure Sorsha would absorb too many votes, except if the jury is real salty on both Opt and LoRab. Quin could probably give her a hard time, maybe even make her lose.

Then again, the most vocal people to discuss who they like or dissent are S~V~S, Golden and Eloh. Epig appears to be willing to vote Opt now. INH doesn't seem to have an issue with recognizing Opt's game. No idea what the others think.

One thing that occurs to me is Epig could be persuaded by Elo's feelings about Opt and decide not to vote for her based on those feelings. Hard to tell though.

Funny that opt voted Elo not knowing Quin had the idol. Elo sounds like she will not vote Opt. Epi indicated he would if Elo wasn't in the final. SVS probably won't unless Lorab is her only other choice. Opt should probably take Lorab into the final to give her the best chance. I guess a lot depends on who gets immunity though.

Anything exciting going on in bts Scotty? The thread is dead.

DharmaHelper wrote:Well like I said if they let the Idol Recycling Quin through past tonight that's just silly. If he *wins*, that's even sillier.

I wouldn't mind seeing him win though I wouldn't mind seeing any of them left win.

DharmaHelper wrote:
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If anyone is silly enough to let Mr. Idol walk into the end, the jury shouldn't give him the win anyway. The only thing he's done all game is use his built in idol radar to keep himself safe.

I don't quite understand this. What else should he have done? We cant see his btsc so no telling what he is doing in there.

Scotty wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:What I meant was I don't have to worry about being suspected as a mafia, because everyone else is equally as innocent or guilty as I am as far as the game is concerned. But yeah, you do make good points.
The slight difference in this game is that some players are malaligned with their abilities and are not necessarily looking to play fair. So for someone like, say, the Nurse, their best interest would be to eliminate others that pose a threat to the unity of the tribe in the early goings.

Not that players knew this, but that element exists to give players perspective

Yeah some people are "mafia like" because they've got those negative powers.

juliets wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Did Sorsha use her special item? From the sound of it, it could be yuuuuuge.
I don't think she's used it and I don't think I know what it is.

Oh wait I think scotty told us what it was, wasn't it

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Ricochet wrote:Did Sorsha use her special item? From the sound of it, it could be yuuuuuge.

I don't think she's used it and I don't think I know what it is.

Scotty wrote:
juliets wrote:
Scotty wrote:I'm actually surprised Golden is so bitter about being played. I figured he of all people would have more of an open mind.

Should be an interesting outcome. I have no idea who the jury is probably going to vote for now.
He doesn't sound that bitter to me but maybe I'm reading him wrong - more surprised that Opt would do that. Scotty, are you going to let them have bts until the end? I was thinking you said you were going to limit them to 1 each to force more behavior into the thread where the jury could see it.

Also, I think Quin has a good chance now.
I'm trying this auto-BTSC today, and already didn't think it through. This will change again tomorrow because I think almost every person will have BTSC.
For final 4, i will definitely have a limit of 1 match per person.
I'd prefer the game players to be able to have a little strategy over Jury seeing everything. But I also don't want a dead thread. Can't win em all

Oh I see, I was thinking the jury was supposed to see the strategy so I was just thinking about it wrong. And yeah, everyone will have bts unless they forget to send in their names it seems.

Yeah Rico I tend to agree, grudge is grudge. We'll see though.

Ricochet wrote:I think S~V~S has already said in the Jury thread that Opt would not be among those whom she'd give her vote. I think Golden might have issues too? That's two, already.

Yeah and it seems like Epi made some comment about her winning all that immunity. She might get the vote though because she is new.

I'm not sure why Quin used his idol on Sorsha. He must not have been in the loop.

Scotty wrote:I'm actually surprised Golden is so bitter about being played. I figured he of all people would have more of an open mind.

Should be an interesting outcome. I have no idea who the jury is probably going to vote for now.

He doesn't sound that bitter to me but maybe I'm reading him wrong - more surprised that Opt would do that. Scotty, are you going to let them have bts until the end? I was thinking you said you were going to limit them to 1 each to force more behavior into the thread where the jury could see it.

Also, I think Quin has a good chance now.

DharmaHelper wrote:Although the only #BIGMOVE left is Golden so...

Yes I think thats got to be it - if they go through with it.

Scotty wrote:Y'all wanted a big move? Well, one player is making that #BIGMOVE in BTSC.

We'll see how all this works out tonight, but maybe it won't be as straightforward as first thought...

Cool!

Scotty wrote:Golden and Quin are talking. I'm not sure Golden is being completely honest.

But Quin thinks he is safe, and just admitted to Golden that he will play the idol at final 5 (since it is the last time he can) and play the fake idol tonight.

Twould be a good time to blindside Quin.

However, LoRab and Opt can't talk to Golden with that info, so it might just be a straightforward vote of either Sorsha or Elo

It will be interesting to see. I'm not sure Golden can risk blindsiding another person who will be on the jury. SVS seems to think it will be Sorsha tonight but who knows.

DharmaHelper wrote:That seems like a drastic misunderstanding of the game of battleship to me. Like, the reason we waited to get results on our guesses was to make sure we were hitting.

I'd still quite like to see it

You'll have to ask them why they did it that way. I don't remember them explaining their rationale in the thread.

DharmaHelper wrote:
juliets wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Pretty much the only thing I want to read back on the old game is the other tribe's performance during the battleship game.
I cant remember which team you were on but the winning team guessed one coordinate at a time while the losing team guessed like 4 at a time.
Oh I won the shit out of that challenge.

Oh so you want to see how the other team lost? There really wasn't much to see, they just for some reason made guesses in bunches instead of one at a time.

DharmaHelper wrote:Pretty much the only thing I want to read back on the old game is the other tribe's performance during the battleship game.

I cant remember which team you were on but the winning team guessed one coordinate at a time while the losing team guessed like 4 at a time.

DharmaHelper wrote:If what SVS said is accurate and they already know who they're voting off, it's Quin tonight.

I thought Quin had an immunity idol? Maybe not. It looks like SVS expects it to be Sorsha.

Scotty wrote:LoRab
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gave up after 14 minutes because she was sure that Golden would have beaten her time anyway. How right she was!

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Ricochet wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Have I created a monster after screwing with Scotty in Watchmen?
Nah man. Can't beat the technical villainy that was those goddamn puzzles.

The difference is that mine have a solution.

Yours created problems
The best kind.

Hahaha that sounds like Rico!

Who knows though she could have different feelings depending on what people say who come into the jury thread.

DharmaHelper wrote:
juliets wrote:I see SVS as more of a risk for Golden than for Lorab.
I dunno, looking at Ponderosa and considering the blow up that got her the votes, I'm leaning LoRab.

Well, here's what she said about Lorab:

"When do we start voting? Final two or three? Becasue if they get rid of Quin, I think LoRab should win. Golden is so besotted with Opt, he threw his primary alliance under the bus, and I think LoRab has played them all. If Quin makes it to the final three, I think he should win since Opt seems to be blaming the DH thing on me, but it was all Quins idea. I jumped into the thread after the fact about it to protect Quin, who was in more danger at that time than I was, and focus their attention on me. "

And then in a later post she called Golden treacherous.

I see SVS as more of a risk for Golden than for Lorab.

DharmaHelper wrote:On the one hand, solid play to get rid of SVS. On the other hand, you gotta figure Golden's a major target now. A poor strategy to be the only big play maker in the game left. You have to have cover if you want people to vote your way. Who will Golden be able to pitch as a better vote than himself?

Yeah, I think Golden should have left SVS in the game for several reasons but one is so he wouldn't be the only major target in the game.

Scotty, are you letting them go back to bts?

Well I hate that SVS got blindsided but she is taking it well. She knew she was taking a risk. Hard to believe Golden turned on her though.

Scotty,

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DharmaHelper wrote:Critical error on LoRab's part to go after Sorsha and not defend better against SVS

I'm not so sure she's going to vote for Sorsha.

I never watch Survivor but it happened to be on just now and I watched their tribal council. Holy hell. I may have to continue to watch.

DharmaHelper wrote:
juliets wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:The stage is now set for a big move. I'm hoping my OG Mamana amigos recognize the threat SV S poses, and SVS's spat with LoRab does her in.
I would hate to see that but it is what it is.
I just don't see how anyone could let that spree of posts from SVS slide. LoRab was incredibly paranoid in my interactions with her. Any whiff of anyone going at her and she was on that shit like mad.

SVS is too good a player to keep in the game for too long, and this is just as good an excuse as any to convince people to get her out.

It is what it is. I'm just surprised they don't go after Golden.

DharmaHelper wrote:The stage is now set for a big move. I'm hoping my OG Mamana amigos recognize the threat SV S poses, and SVS's spat with LoRab does her in.

I would hate to see that but it is what it is.

Scotty wrote:Y'all ready for this?
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With DF gone, Elo now feels safe to use her poisoning power. She has poisoned Golden and LoRab with no clear way of them getting better.

Golden and LoRab are talking about SVS being too volatile and seriously considering voting her out next.

Scotty:

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DharmaHelper wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
juliets wrote:DH, if you knew Quin had the immunity idol why didn't you bring that up in the thread to talk about? It could have kept you from getting voted off.
Didn't really feel like it at the time :P
Part of me felt like there was a chance he wouldn't play it, part of me just didn't care one way or the other. I had the fun I wanted to have. Would have been boring steamrolling everyone post-merge

Steamrolling? This group? I don't know about that.

Should be a good match between Quin and Opt Outside tonight. There's really not many people left playing. I hope nobody dies in the challenge.

DH, if you knew Quin had the immunity idol why didn't you bring that up in the thread to talk about? It could have kept you from getting voted off.

I also am glad there is no bts. I think there should not be anymore bts in the game except for some special occasions. It forces them to discuss things as a group.

I like SVS's move if Lorab really was trying to get DF out. I don't understand why anyone except Elo voted for the doctor- that seems short sighted.

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