The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 11:47 pm I hope everyone had a good time.

I hope everyone experienced frustration from time to time.

I hope everyone listened to at least one Steely Dan tune.

I hope I win a lot of money this week.

It was a very clever game Epi, full of twists and turns - just the way I like it. And Deacon Blues is an ear worm in my head.

OOOH it looks just like our Gasparilla Pirate ship!

Oh actually, not really - I think it looks like our Buccaners pirate ship.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 3:30 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 3:28 pm Why is the site called Oro Jackson? Who is that?
It's the name of a famous ship in One Piece

Ok I see, thanks nova

Why is the site called Oro Jackson? Who is that?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 2:45 pm They used to be common in my home forum. They were usually soft capped at 5 days though, 'cause the lack of deadline to reach majority resulted in a circular flow that went nowhere.

You kind of need that looming deadline to make people productive and work together lol.

That sounds like a good idea, to cap it at some number of days. Our games would last eons without that I think.

I can't even imagine a game like JJJ describes, lol!

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 11:58 am
juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 11:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 11:16 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 9:13 pm I thought the mafia team was done. Mac lynched Day 1. Jack caught Night 1. That's half the team.

Hello ladies.
Previously on wolfchat...

Mac: Being mafia is so easy.
Jack: Yeah, townies are dumb.
Jack, honestly I think this is rude. We aren't calling you stupid for getting lynched so early and I would appreciate it if you didn't do it either. The game is over, it is what it is, there is no reason to call people dumb.
I think he's just joking, and mostly making fun of himself and Mac for thinking that'd be an easy win then getting taken out so quickly.

Ok, I hope so because I never thought Jack was mean.

And nova I hear your dilemma. One reason I like 48 hour games more is at least people have more time to weigh in even if they can't be right there at EOD. It's still not perfect but imo it's at least a little better.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 11:16 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 9:13 pm I thought the mafia team was done. Mac lynched Day 1. Jack caught Night 1. That's half the team.

Hello ladies.
Previously on wolfchat...

Mac: Being mafia is so easy.
Jack: Yeah, townies are dumb.

Jack, honestly I think this is rude. We aren't calling you stupid for getting lynched so early and I would appreciate it if you didn't do it either. The game is over, it is what it is, there is no reason to call people dumb.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 10:29 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 10:24 am I'm not sure if this is something that can really be solved by policy. My gripe was more with culture than policy, tbh. A lot of the time I just want to make a vote earlier then forget about the game, but people will often think that is "scummy" or "inactive". I wish we treated a 24 hour game as that: a 24 hour game. Not real time. Which means you can play at any moment of those 24 hours, depending on when you are available. If you want real time, play a burglary.

Sometimes I wonder if unchangeable votes weren't a good thing.
I think you mean 'were'.

The idea that 'inactive' (not being around for phase end) is scummy does need to die, I agree.

I usually just tell people my schedule and let them know if I won't be around. That's been called scummy a time or two but I don't want people to think I'm just not showing up.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 9:40 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 1:03 am But at the same time I don’t think there’s a scenario in which I would want to ask people not to actively play the game when they’re able to do so. If you’re online and you have something to say, say it. I’m just wondering if there’s a way we can reach a more balanced environment where players don’t feel like they’re being left behind if they miss out on a particular window of action.
Majority hammer lynches make it where day phase can end at any time. Might help?

But doesn't that mean the host has to be here all the time since we don't have an automated way to handle it? Maybe I'm confused.

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 2:30 am Maybe hosts can give a time period, example “host posts will be sometime between 6 pm and 10 pm est” on their game sign up page. To give players a chance to decide if that will work for them.

Thinking about our international players I would rather see the host post the specific end of phase time like "7 pm edt" for example. A range of 6-10 pm is not a bad idea but even for me, here in the USA, it makes a difference as to whether it's 6 or 10, e.g. 6 is fine but 10 means I can't play. For those in Europe I think 9 or 10 would be a non-starter while 6 would probably be fine. I usually remember to ask the host pre-game what time the EOD will be so I can make an informed decision about playing.

Also, there is a way to always end the phase on the mark so the time doesn't creep but it requires some sacrifice for the host. I have found that having a co-host is very handy for this reason if no other, if the host isn't available to end the phase the co-host will be.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:48 pm I called both dunya and eloh at some point tho. And defended Luna.

I need to start taking myself more seriously

No one would listen to me or to Mata. No one. It was obvious in my opinion.

Sorry, I got news in the middle of that EOD that one of my good friend's father died and I was trying to deal with that, my mom, and EOD.

oh gosh nutella's making me even more nervous.

If it's dunya I'll never forgive myself.

I don't know whether this is right or not.

Ok its a tie.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:19 pm juliets would you rather lynch LC over Luna today?

I am feeling so indecisive considering this is the same place I was in Space Force and I lost that game for everyone.

I'm sorry on phone with mom. Trying to get off. Vote and I will follow.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:06 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:03 pm What happened in BTSC exactly? I didn't get invited since I always had more posts than him
We just talked about who we suspected, who had been to his chat, what their roles were. He asked LC to chat after LC pointed to chat.

My mother is calling, be right back.

I meant after LC pointed out Jack was bad.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:03 pm What happened in BTSC exactly? I didn't get invited since I always had more posts than him

We just talked about who we suspected, who had been to his chat, what their roles were. He asked LC to chat after LC pointed to chat.

My mother is calling, be right back.

I wish he would come on line but he is probably working.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:57 pm LC has peculiarly ignored Kites...except for one post on Night 5 semi defending Kites from Daisy.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:42 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:40 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 12:27 pm
Kites wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 3:00 am I was also very confused at first reading people celebrating a civ lynch lol

At first? When did you come in the thread?
This is a good catch...
Why is this a good catch? When I first came to the thread, the host post was already corrected, and I saw Juliets' comment about how it was the unfortunate right thing to do, or something... I was confused as well.
Granted, LC has a total of 60 posts so it doesn't mean a whole lot but still. It's peculiar to me and drew my attention when I was seeing the compatibility between LC and Kites potentially.

So...should we change our votes to him? I'm just thinking back to speed being so sure about him (LC hasn't admitted it but he was speed's second person in btsc).

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:48 pm oh. I didn't know it had to be a role thing. couldn't LC have just been the messenger?

Yeah it could be that LC didn't really have the role, his teammate did and he claimed it but that doesn't make a lot of sense.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:47 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:45 pm If it is LC, then the mafia wanted someone who was quiet to receive civ status. It could be that LC is super busy IRL, pulled a mafia role and asked to have it be him so that he could lay low and still help win for his team. That is the nly scenario where I see it being LC
But the mafia wouldn't have chosen which role they wanted to be, or did they?

Oh wait I see what you mean now.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:45 pm If it is LC, then the mafia wanted someone who was quiet to receive civ status. It could be that LC is super busy IRL, pulled a mafia role and asked to have it be him so that he could lay low and still help win for his team. That is the nly scenario where I see it being LC

But the mafia wouldn't have chosen which role they wanted to be, or did they?

If it's LC I will never trust him again no matter what he does.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:36 pm Eloh makes more sense than a Long Con vote. Really hope it's right though.

I can vote there.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:28 pm dang it, I want to vote Long Con, but so much about that doesn't make sense.

Are you both convinced Elo is town? It's probably Kites and one other.

Well [mention]Lunalee[/mention] I'm not voting you. Fat lot of good it does but I don't think you're bad. I think you were set up to be the easy lynch today for the mafia to win.

Kites wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:21 pm I couldn’t have blocked anyone as I used my power to remove myself from the poll

But you could have been the teammate if there are two left.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] ok I see so protection doesn't make sense.

I just noticed something in those quotes above that escaped me earlier. Kites said the mafia either blocked Luna or protected her target. I did not think of a protection until just when I read that and I have to consider whether that is what happened. I have been thinking "block" this whole time.

Sorry Luna I didn't answer your questions but I want to go read through the conversation from earlier today.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:56 pm Then who are you leaning to, Jules?

I'm not right now. I'm just taking everything in and reading back.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:55 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:49 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:46 pm I am wondering if Luna is just trying to find blame where she can since she has a vote and knows she is top suspect of some. I am still liking the "it would have been Jack" defense better.
I'm a little confused Elo - when you say "better", better than what?
Oh, I just meant better than the idea of it being LC, sorry.

Oh yes, I think both your point about "it would have been Jack" and Luna's point that "it doesn't make sense that LC would have bussed him before he was suspected by anyone" both make sense. That together with speed assuring me that LC is good takes me off of the line of thought that LC is bad for now.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:49 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:46 pm I am wondering if Luna is just trying to find blame where she can since she has a vote and knows she is top suspect of some. I am still liking the "it would have been Jack" defense better.
I'm a little confused Elo - when you say "better", better than what?

Actually my thought on Luna is she is sounding civ today, trying to hunt. I'm not sure whether the mafia left her alive so she would be a top suspect or whether she is one of them. I'm not leaning strongly toward her being bad right now.

linki

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:46 pm I am wondering if Luna is just trying to find blame where she can since she has a vote and knows she is top suspect of some. I am still liking the "it would have been Jack" defense better.

I'm a little confused Elo - when you say "better", better than what?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:41 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:36 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:28 pm I see kites is trying to prove himself worthy of civ status. I know we cannot vote him, but he would have been who I voted for.

My next suspect is Luna (still). Everything about her and her role seems very fishy to me. Tell me if this is correct. I read she wasn't able to even use it til last night and then it was blocked last night. I also read that we have yet to have feedback with the words "blocked."

Juliets would be my deepwolf pick. If she is bad, she deserves a win. She has done well, but I feel like the past few days have been wonky. She got real rigid in her civ reads and then when she was getting too much attention, she started backing off a bit.

linki - at this point it is very difficult to know. The only thing keeping LC out of my POE is the fact that if Mafia pulled off a gambit with LC's claims, then it would have been Jack to do the dirty work since he was more involved and could then be thought of civ the rest of the game. As for dunya. I have a hard time reading her. Her role *sounds* civ...I know, I know...means nothing really. I suppose I could actually lump her in as deepwolf like my thoughts on Jules. I have thought them both to be civ this game. Juliets/Dunya could be w/w. Wouldn't that be something. They did the little heated argument in the thread yesterday that ended in
Yeah Elo the point about "wouldn't it have been Jack doing it" was made earlier and a pretty good point. I just don't know what to think. My head is a scrambled egg. On the Luna suspicions, I would have to read the roles again to see if there is anything with the word "block" who's not already dead. All the roles aren't revealed in the OP though so I'm conscious of that.
okay, and for jack to be in most player's town pool before Long Con accused him is a little weird. Why not wait until a teammate is even a little bit suspected before outing them for civ cred?

I don't remember Jack being in my town pool at that time but maybe he was, but yeah why do it then if it was for civ cred. Wait until he is suspected by some.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:28 pm I see kites is trying to prove himself worthy of civ status. I know we cannot vote him, but he would have been who I voted for.

My next suspect is Luna (still). Everything about her and her role seems very fishy to me. Tell me if this is correct. I read she wasn't able to even use it til last night and then it was blocked last night. I also read that we have yet to have feedback with the words "blocked."

Juliets would be my deepwolf pick. If she is bad, she deserves a win. She has done well, but I feel like the past few days have been wonky. She got real rigid in her civ reads and then when she was getting too much attention, she started backing off a bit.

linki - at this point it is very difficult to know. The only thing keeping LC out of my POE is the fact that if Mafia pulled off a gambit with LC's claims, then it would have been Jack to do the dirty work since he was more involved and could then be thought of civ the rest of the game. As for dunya. I have a hard time reading her. Her role *sounds* civ...I know, I know...means nothing really. I suppose I could actually lump her in as deepwolf like my thoughts on Jules. I have thought them both to be civ this game. Juliets/Dunya could be w/w. Wouldn't that be something. They did the little heated argument in the thread yesterday that ended in

Yeah Elo the point about "wouldn't it have been Jack doing it" was made earlier and a pretty good point. I just don't know what to think. My head is a scrambled egg. On the Luna suspicions, I would have to read the roles again to see if there is anything with the word "block" who's not already dead. All the roles aren't revealed in the OP though so I'm conscious of that.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:20 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:19 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:14 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:09 pm I am here y'all. I still have a couple household chores, but I am taking a break so I can talk.
Hi! What do you think of the likelihood of a dunya/Long Con/Mac/Jack team?
This is an interesting scenario Luna, based on that quote Kites pulled. I need to ponder (as always).
once I typed it out, it seems a bit over-powered. But then again, we have some really strong town players in this game as well.

I haven't played with dunya as much as I have with LC and know he is totally capable of big gutsy moves but when I asked speed for example (because I trusted him a lot) what he thought about LC he unequivocally said LC was good, no doubt whatsoever. So that kind of got me off that train of thought.

I would like to know what Elo thinks though.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:14 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:09 pm I am here y'all. I still have a couple household chores, but I am taking a break so I can talk.
Hi! What do you think of the likelihood of a dunya/Long Con/Mac/Jack team?

This is an interesting scenario Luna, based on that quote Kites pulled. I need to ponder (as always).

I will have to do some reading before I name anyone who I think is bad. There are many alternatives.

Also [mention]dunya[/mention] I don't understand why do don't see me and Kites as compatible teammates. I have defended him all game (and not to pocket you Kites, it was because I thought the suspicions of you were wrong). So I don't understand that and it makes me go hmmm.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:20 pm My problem with juliets is how she has treated me specifically, how she had me as her second suspect but didn't have a single reason why I'm bad beyond using Mata as a reason as soon as she was killed. She came in strong about it as soon as Mata died. I also hate how she kept pushing roles to be alignment indicative in this game.

Her frustration with me for suspecting her seemed genuine though. I really hate to make juliets feel like she's not enjoying a game so I feel like an ass if I do and silly if I don't.

So you expressed throughout the game after I claimed that you thought I was town. Are you saying that just because I suspected you, you decided that I was suspicious? We called that "no u" in the olden days.

And yes, after Mata died I looked back at her posts and saw you were at the top of her suspect list along with Elo. I didn't vote for you though because I personally had a stronger suspicion of Elo. Mata had an info role. I don't think it is crazy for someone to look at her role and look at her highest suspects and think there is some correlation.

Also, would you show me the posts where I "pushed" for roles to be alignment indicative? Not the post where I explained why my role is civ but posts where I pushed that all the roles are alignment indicative because that's what you are implying.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:16 pm I'm inclined to trust Long Con for his role in the Jack lynch. But he has sort of used the town cred from that to take a step back and not do much else.

Eloh still looks town to me. Just her tone and frustrations with the game seemed genuine, and I really don't think a scum Eloh would have a fit about teammate Mac getting lynched. She would quietly buss and stay out of the line of suspicion.

Juliets I want to trust based on her role, but I realize it is risky to do that. She revealed it when it looked like she might get lynched, but it still could have been a genuine or fake claim.

Luna, my role wasn't a fake claim - you can see it in the OP. And I hinted about it early in the game. That's why Daisy guessed it.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:31 am I would be less reluctant to trust her if she had used it. I can't believe she didn't use it on Long Con for example if she was bad.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. Why would she have used it on LC if bad? Wouldn't it have just made him target Jack again but he couldn't because Jack was dead? And he couldn't repeat his vote because Jack was dead. Maybe I'm not understanding her power.

Ok guys gone til this afternoon.

In a few minutes I have to get ready for work and then won't be back until this afternoon, I don't know what time. I don't know yet how to vote. Does anyone have any thoughts about who is bad at this early hour (well early for me anyway).

Can anyone think of a good way to use Elo's power, whether it be for civs or against civs? Did someone already give an example? I just can't wrap my head around it. Epi had to have something in mind.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:57 am
dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:55 am
juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:28 am
dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:06 am Spacedaisy kinda saved me. She told me to protect myself after I role claimed. I didn't clarify that self-targeting wasn't allowed, and maybe the mafia thought I would. Neither is double targeting, though, so I protected Luna on the off chance she's civ and Mafia would kill her before she could use her lie detect on anyone. That clearly didn't happen.

I have never been a doctor in all my mafia career and this game has been the worst in my civ power use history. I'm really sorry everyone.
Does your role protect from just kills or does it protect from any power?
I asked Epi already, obviously he's asleep. If I somehow blocked Luna then I deserve worst player award. I don't think I block, but we'll see. Traditional doctors don't block, but this game is a mindfuck and nothing will surprise me.
Oh wait, I see what you mean. Does my doctor protect her from blocks or just NKs. I'll ask Epi that too.

Yes that's what I'm asking.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:41 pm Unfortunately my role failed tonight. Ugh.

Luna, do you have any details about why it failed? Though I can't say I'm really surprised. The mafia had to either kill you or prevent you from using your power, or you are one of them.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:08 am Can't wrap my head around the fact that Luna has a role that she hasn't been able to use in 8 days (or 7 since we can't count Day 1).

@Kites is your role like DDL's?

I can't find DDL's role description "Bad Sneakers" in the OP. Am I blind? Anyway, can you remind me what his ability was?

I think I know Luna's song but I see no reason to reveal it unless the rest of you can think of a good reason.

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