The Syndicate

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] ^ ^ ouch!

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 1:28 pm Gg fellas, how'd I do this game? Glad I didn't get all my reads wrong this time.

I think you did a good job Drago. Looking forward to playing more with you!

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 7:00 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 6:52 pm birdwithteeth11 Ihope you will play with us again!!!
I'm glad @Spacedaisy asked me to play again after not playing for about 2 years now. I can officially say I have the mafia itch back again and I already signed up for Zootopia!

Oh yay, I will be helping Jack with that I think!

[mention]birdwithteeth11[/mention] Ihope you will play with us again!!!

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 6:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 6:38 pm And let's never talk about this again.
You helped us so much. Thank you.

In your face [mention]MacDougall[/mention] ! Ouch!

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 6:35 pm Sabie’s role was fun, she gave out instructions that people didn’t have to do. BWT was silenced by her, but he could have posted if he wanted. Juliet’s didn’t really have a -2 vote. Drago didn’t follow his instructions correctly so we killed him. But Veronica redirected my power to Drago on the same night, so I thought I was busted. I don’t know what happened there.

oh damn I didn't have -2? I mean I really was on pins and needles about using that vote.

[mention]Rej[/mention] you were fine and I'm looking forward to playing more games with you! You didn't ruin anything.

yeah Mac guessed who I was and called me bad in the chat! So we were not really working together in the beginning.

Well I had fun anyway.

And wow mata played what I consider to be her civ game.

I'm glad it wasn't bwt, and I knew it wasn't Mac, but I thought Rej for sure after that "info-dump" that had to be not true.

Yeah I'm not sure why the game ended?

linki: yes sabie so now you can't protest when we suspect you! Congrats though!

So congrats Mata/indi/sabie!

nutella if sabie is bad and you're not she could have skipped the Lynch. She says its because she thought she would be penalized but there was no reason to think that. The whole thing makes me feel like you are busing.

[mention]Rej[/mention] sorry I didn't alert you. What do you think about sabie?

Rej, what do you think about sable?

Rej, here's what I don't understand. If what you say is true it is called info-dumping and it's against the rules.

I'm going to take a break and come back to this in a bit.

Something is wrong here. All the mafia are voting for nutella. I don't like it.

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 1:50 pm Guys my vote on nutella is based on me having TMI. Oreki was 100% a mislynch from my side I really have a bad run today and also the other days and I also play games on other forums. I don't mind being shot off by mafia next day and keep up the MyLo up for you guys.

Rej, when you say TMI here what do you mean?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 12:54 pm I swear I'm one of like two people actively trying to solve the game and you are all just unthinkingly piling your votes on me. The town is willingly giving up its chance to win here and the mafia are happily tagging along and/or pushing for my lynch.

nutella, I'm not sure what your definition is of actively trying to solve the game. I'm still pushing people for information and asking about reads, like your read of bwt. It would be helpful for you to tell us your case.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 12:53 pm who wants to vote for bwt with me anyone

nutella, what is the case on bwt?

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 11:08 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 3:04 am Can you tell me why you're not considering juliets?? Do you have any reason to think she's town? Because I don't.

Juliets/Rej/[Mata or Indi] is there any reason that wouldn't make sense to you?

I think she's asking Mac that question even though it looks like she's asking us.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 11:08 am
indiglo wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 11:07 am
juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 11:04 am
indiglo wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 10:43 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 9:13 pm I want everyone to try their best to ISO read Rej. I can't make heads or tails of him except to say that I almost feel like he is POE clamped as he appears in every combination I can muster.

He has found me incredibly hard to deal with, but I am still alive, that is an indicator that I am the patsy here. That the Mafia feel like they can defeat me personally. I feel like if Rej is in the Mafia team he is not in control. Nutella is in control.

Rej + Nutella + Sokoth/Sabie. I really feel that.

We really need BWT's presence to win this though.

@indiglo can you please help?

Uh oh, this is not good. She can't talk. Can you still vote Indi?

Ok thank goodness.

I'm so sorry, you did vote. I didn't see it.

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 11:07 am
juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 11:04 am
indiglo wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 10:43 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 9:13 pm I want everyone to try their best to ISO read Rej. I can't make heads or tails of him except to say that I almost feel like he is POE clamped as he appears in every combination I can muster.

He has found me incredibly hard to deal with, but I am still alive, that is an indicator that I am the patsy here. That the Mafia feel like they can defeat me personally. I feel like if Rej is in the Mafia team he is not in control. Nutella is in control.

Rej + Nutella + Sokoth/Sabie. I really feel that.

We really need BWT's presence to win this though.

@indiglo can you please help?

Uh oh, this is not good. She can't talk. Can you still vote Indi?

Ok thank goodness.

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 10:43 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 9:13 pm I want everyone to try their best to ISO read Rej. I can't make heads or tails of him except to say that I almost feel like he is POE clamped as he appears in every combination I can muster.

He has found me incredibly hard to deal with, but I am still alive, that is an indicator that I am the patsy here. That the Mafia feel like they can defeat me personally. I feel like if Rej is in the Mafia team he is not in control. Nutella is in control.

Rej + Nutella + Sokoth/Sabie. I really feel that.

We really need BWT's presence to win this though.

@indiglo can you please help?

Uh oh, this is not good. She can't talk. Can you still vote Indi?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 10:50 am
juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 9:30 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 8:44 am I wasn't saving anyone I made a wrong decision thinking I needed to vote quickly. I now see I could have just not voted and no one would have cared because some people just never even showed up at all. I thought not voting was considered an issue. I didn't think my vote was going to be enough to lynch nutella because she only had one vote on her. Juliets seemed less sure about it at the time but I didnt know that was because of her voting power. I always think participating is better than not and I keep trying to get better but I think I'm just so misunderstood by people that I get accused every time I try to make an effort.
I am willing to consider rej could be bad as he was leading the lynch on oreki. He comes off kind of aggressive at times and uses a lot of emojis. He says he thinks hes going to be the next mislynch which could be genuine concern or that he knows people are on to him. I am interested to see what his response is to juliets question.
sabie, the reason why your vote looks suspicious is it seems like it would be impossible to arrive at the thread at 5:57 and within two minutes read the thread enough to see my case on nutella and a case on Oreki. And if you are talking about Rej's case, I don't see how you could have digested it and made sense out of it in such a short time. I'll go back and read your explanation post about your vote again, maybe I missed something.

Also what do you think about nutella?
Well and that's what I'm saying I made a mistake and read too quickly and made a judgement before I should have. I read that and the thing where they were focusing on worrying about a cop role and I thought that was where I should vote. I felt bad about forgetting about the poll and read the case too quickly and voted. Looking at it after I was like damn that was not the best move. Trust me I feel really bad about it looking back now I should have just stuck with my gut and voted nutella. I admit that I made a snap judgment without taking enough time to think about it and now I feel like I messed things up.

Ok so sabie I re-read your explanation about you were about to go out with your bf and remembered you needed to come here first. You said you voted for Oreki based on his asking questions about a cop role and Rej's case. Bear with me because I'm still trying to understand. Can you tell me exactly what you did from the time you came into the thread and posted at 5:57 and when you voted sometime in the next 2 minutes after that. What was the sequence of your actions in that 2 minutes (actually less than 2 minutes because you had voted Oreki when I voted at 5:59). Be as precise as you can please. Maybe I will understand better if I can understand exactly what you did, what you looked at, in what order, etc.

Sorry sabie, I didn't notice that you had voted nutella so no need to answer the last question I asked.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 8:44 am I wasn't saving anyone I made a wrong decision thinking I needed to vote quickly. I now see I could have just not voted and no one would have cared because some people just never even showed up at all. I thought not voting was considered an issue. I didn't think my vote was going to be enough to lynch nutella because she only had one vote on her. Juliets seemed less sure about it at the time but I didnt know that was because of her voting power. I always think participating is better than not and I keep trying to get better but I think I'm just so misunderstood by people that I get accused every time I try to make an effort.
I am willing to consider rej could be bad as he was leading the lynch on oreki. He comes off kind of aggressive at times and uses a lot of emojis. He says he thinks hes going to be the next mislynch which could be genuine concern or that he knows people are on to him. I am interested to see what his response is to juliets question.

sabie, the reason why your vote looks suspicious is it seems like it would be impossible to arrive at the thread at 5:57 and within two minutes read the thread enough to see my case on nutella and a case on Oreki. And if you are talking about Rej's case, I don't see how you could have digested it and made sense out of it in such a short time. I'll go back and read your explanation post about your vote again, maybe I missed something.

Also what do you think about nutella?

Hi Rej, I am looking at your switch to Oreki at the end of the day after being on nutella most of the day. Here is the post you made:

Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 5:34 pm I am here peeking in and out, Oreki as said isn't that ambitioned to hunt scum right now and form a wagon. So I will try to do it lowlife mafiastyle as I am used to. Oreki lacked in some interactions and even if he has the same experience grade as me, he gave me more of the feeling of sheeping on the one or other wagon previously.

For Mac I am still torn.
I am also torn on Nutella, geting the same manipulative vibes than from Mac.

I hope low activity is reasoned through the weekend^^ I also wouldn't mind extending this DP by 24 hours additionally if there is a rule that allows that.

You first said "Oreki as said isn't that ambitioned to hunt scum right now and form a wagon". I looked through your posts and didn't see anywhere that you previously pointed out that he wasn't hunting scum. What did you mean by this post?

Secondly, you said "Oreki lacked in some interactions". What specifically are you talking about here?

Finally you said "even if he has the same experience grade as me he game me more of the feeling of sleeping on the one or other wagon previously". What wagon are you talking about here? Didn't you also sheep on previous wagons? What do you mean by same experience grade as you? Oreki seemed very very new to mafia and you have played many games.

I'm just overall having trouble understanding why you moved to Oreki basically out of the blue toward the end of the lynch. Did nutella say something that all of a sudden convinced you she was good? If so what was it?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 9:17 pm BWT is definitely town. We really have a 3/4 shot here. At what stage during the lynch did Indiglo vote? Someone, anyone?

Wait - indigo didn't vote. She says she lost her signal.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 9:17 pm BWT is definitely town. We really have a 3/4 shot here. At what stage during the lynch did Indiglo vote? Someone, anyone?

Let me look back.

Matahari wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 8:30 pm I just looked up mylo on mafiascum wiki, so I looked up FOS too. It means finger of suspicion. Is no lynch a good thing? It seems like wasting a day and allowing another nk.
I trusted Mac somewhat by the two games we were in, and thinking he’s posting suspicions by experience with players. I’m halfway through his iso but I don’t know if it’s going to change my mind.
Nutella, at one point, made a case against Juliet’s that I disagreed with, but it was a strange case. Like a three way with people arguing in circles. I’ll have to go back to the point in her iso, then flip over to the thread to recall who the third person was.
I’m going to close my eyes for awhile. I’m tired and my head hurts, so I’ll finish my reading later. I’m hoping the other absentees will be back in posting mode tomorrow.

Thanks Mata for FOS! I don't ever think to look things up over there.

After you read nutella's case be sure to read my rebuttal. You can find my rebuttal in my ISO or let me know and I will copy it here for you to read. Also, consider what my mafia motive would have been for putting -2 votes on Oreki?

Hope you lose that headache, you're probably just dog-tired from all the stress.

Rej wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 6:54 pm
Mac and Drago were synergizing in the earlier DPs for some reason and they participated in some wagons, gave me the vibes of Mac using Drago and at this point I had the feel he could have thrown him off and buffy up another person in some manipulative way.

Oreki could have profitted because Drago would be about to make a case on Oreki it is something Oreki would handle hard and Oreki would have known that other people including me would jump on that accusation.

I stated why I thought Matahari wouldn't kill Drago, because in my enviroment I am used to not kill people pointing their FOS on you.
My 50/50 on Juliet is justified by gut feeling. I also think nutella is mafia right now.

I could have convinced drago that I am town, it would have been easier by that stage of game, atleast I would have rumbled on that one.

Rej what is FOS?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 6:13 pm Still don't really get why you think I'm bad though. I'm giving you a second chance but you're not giving me one for some reason. Why are you so stuck in this tunnel?

I can't find a reason to see you as civ. It's not that I don't want to because I do. Maybe somebody else will come up with something. I'm reading Mac as civ so I'll see where he's parked when he comes in again. [mention]MacDougall[/mention] what are you thinking about nutella today?

Dang Long Con. RIP.

So we are at Mylo. For now I am going ahead and voting nutella because I have not seen anything since my post about her to make me think that she's civ. I need to do more searching though because if nutella is bad there are still others who are bad with her. LC suspected indiglo at least for a time iirc so I'll re-read her.

Hi [mention]Rej[/mention] could you please answer these questions I posed and LC seconded? I never saw any cases.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 9:48 am
juliets wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 6:31 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 6:23 pm I just wrote a half case and it got deleted, I cry q.q

Short summary:
Mac profits from Drago kill
Oreki profits from Drago kill
Matahari profits in no way from Drago kill
BWT leaning town
juliets unsure
Long Con/Nutella/Sabie12 one of them might be Wolf
Rej, I would have to see your cases tomorrow.
Drago called Mata bad so why wouldn't she profit from his death?
Drago also called you bad, so don't you profit from his death?
Why does Oreki profit from his death?
I want to hear answers to these questions

Matahari wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 12:28 pm I'm sorry to everyone for being so absent yesterday evening. Funeral is this afternoon but I will be here more today

I’ve been reading the game but I’m not quite finished.

Mata it was totally understandable why you weren't here. I certainly never expected you to be here. Your priority is with your family at this time.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 9:28 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 8:03 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:44 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 5:34 pm I am here peeking in and out, Oreki as said isn't that ambitioned to hunt scum right now and form a wagon. So I will try to do it lowlife mafiastyle as I am used to. Oreki lacked in some interactions and even if he has the same experience grade as me, he gave me more of the feeling of sheeping on the one or other wagon previously.

For Mac I am still torn.
I am also torn on Nutella, geting the same manipulative vibes than from Mac.

I hope low activity is reasoned through the weekend^^ I also wouldn't mind extending this DP by 24 hours additionally if there is a rule that allows that.
This and then the post where oreki was trying to figure out if there was a cop role and if they'd be announcing results. Like they were worried they had been checked and would be found out. I had very little time to try to get my vote in. Sorry this game ends so much earlier than I'm used to and I made a real quick decision. Also didnt know you had that weird vote thing juliets. Is that like a curse or something?

I think the whole situation looks worse for nutella at this point.
sabie, which part of this case spoke to you? Rej says Oreki had not hunted scum, lacked in some interactions, gave the impression of sheeping. The case is pretty vague with no examples and keep in mind Oreki is very new to mafia. I don't think you had time to read Oreki's posts before you voted so I'm surprised that this case convinced you. I hate to think this but it looks like you got here at 5:57 and a mafia teammate or mates told you to get in there and vote Oreki. It just looks so suspicious, but I'm not going to vote for you next round if I'm still alive.

As for my vote, I'm not sure if it was meant to be a curse or a gift. My first reaction was it was a curse but then when I thought about it I could see that a -2 vote could be very useful. So, it may have been a gift rather than a curse.
I guess I could see why you might think that, but no that's not what happened.
I'll be completely honest with you I was about to head out the door to go out on a date with the boyfriend and was like wait what time is it? Realized it was almost 6 checked in realized there was no time saw the options read those posts and voted. I thought it was weird people weren't here and there was only 1 vote on nutella. I had just subbed in so I didn't want to miss a vote. I made a quick decision and made an incorrect one. I also had a civ read on you and saw you hadn't voted nutella despite voicing suspicion and you were here so at the time I thought maybe I missed something. I wasnt aware you had that vote thing so I put my vote on oreki. I thought missing a vote was going to make me have to get subbed in again or modkilled or something and I read too fast and made a decision too quickly. It was poor playing and judgement on my part and I should have been paying more attention. Sighhhh one of these days I'll get better at this game. Blahhhh

ok sabie thanks. I probably should have put a vote on nutella so it wouldn't be confusing to someone who came in late and then pulled it over to oreki before time expired.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:44 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 5:34 pm I am here peeking in and out, Oreki as said isn't that ambitioned to hunt scum right now and form a wagon. So I will try to do it lowlife mafiastyle as I am used to. Oreki lacked in some interactions and even if he has the same experience grade as me, he gave me more of the feeling of sheeping on the one or other wagon previously.

For Mac I am still torn.
I am also torn on Nutella, geting the same manipulative vibes than from Mac.

I hope low activity is reasoned through the weekend^^ I also wouldn't mind extending this DP by 24 hours additionally if there is a rule that allows that.
This and then the post where oreki was trying to figure out if there was a cop role and if they'd be announcing results. Like they were worried they had been checked and would be found out. I had very little time to try to get my vote in. Sorry this game ends so much earlier than I'm used to and I made a real quick decision. Also didnt know you had that weird vote thing juliets. Is that like a curse or something?

I think the whole situation looks worse for nutella at this point.

sabie, which part of this case spoke to you? Rej says Oreki had not hunted scum, lacked in some interactions, gave the impression of sheeping. The case is pretty vague with no examples and keep in mind Oreki is very new to mafia. I don't think you had time to read Oreki's posts before you voted so I'm surprised that this case convinced you. I hate to think this but it looks like you got here at 5:57 and a mafia teammate or mates told you to get in there and vote Oreki. It just looks so suspicious, but I'm not going to vote for you next round if I'm still alive.

As for my vote, I'm not sure if it was meant to be a curse or a gift. My first reaction was it was a curse but then when I thought about it I could see that a -2 vote could be very useful. So, it may have been a gift rather than a curse.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 9:44 pm If juliets isn't mafia I'll tie my dick in a permanent knot and I don't even have one so you know I'm serious about this suspicion. She's trying to get so much credit from trying to save oreki but I'm not bad either so she has to be.

I'm sorry nutella but I am not mafia. You've played with me enough, I feel like you should know my civ game. I wanted Mac to know that I was not a civ slanker and I did indeed try to save Oreki but it wasn't enough. WIFOM or not, you have to admit it makes no sense for a mafia with a -2 vote to do what I did. I could have easily thrown my vote somewhere else and never told anyone it was worth -2. Why would I have voted for civ Oreki if I were mafia?

If you aren't bad, who is?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 9:04 pm My thoughts are if the civs in this game just continue to take the piss then we might as well give up. I was busy for a day and the laziest lynch to ever lynch took place.

If Nutella isn't Mafia I will eat my own hand.

If we just come out tomorrow and lynch the lowest hanging fruit again the game is over.

Mac, I don't know if you read the thread but my vote for Oreki was worth -2 so it was a vote for nutella. I tried to talk about nutella earlier in the day, LC said he thought the summary was good but then he didn't vote for some reason. bwt is out of town and mata had a death in the family so they didn't make it. Rej was voting for nutella but then he changed to Oreki because he felt worse about him. sabie came in with 3 minutes left in the lynch and within 2 minutes said she had read a case on Orek and voted for him. I don't know why the rest of the people didn't vote.

Had 1 person come in and voted for nutella or Rej had not changed his vote or if sabie hadn't voted so quickly for Oreki (I have asked her to answer a question about her vote) we would have lynched nutella instead. We were really close. We just can't let this happen again tomorrow.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 7:23 pmOh yay

I'm thinking this is facetious.

Come back and share your thoughts Mac.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 6:04 pm Voted oreki based on the recent case being brought up on them
I didn't think they have done a whole lot this game though I'm still wary of nutella especially if oreki ends up being a mislynch.

This end of day was kind of disappointing. I'm sorry I wasnt here but it seems like not many were

sabie, you came into the thread at 5:57 pm and voted Oreki a couple of minutes later, prior to 6:00 pm. Which case prompted you to vote Oreki? And how did you find it so quickly?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 6:17 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 6:07 pm My vote was worth -2 today. It was gifted to me by someone. Sorry Oreki I couldn't save you.
Huh, so I guess you technically did tie it if I'm counting right?

I believe that is right since you had 3 votes without me and I negated two of them. That would have left you tied with Oreki. I don't know how Daisy is resolving ties, I don't remember if she said in the beginning.

My vote was worth -2 today. It was gifted to me by someone. Sorry Oreki I couldn't save you.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 5:48 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 5:47 pm I still think it's nutella.
"it"? Is there only one scum then? lol

"it" out of the choices we have today which right now is only you and oreki

But I'm not positive. I hate that my vote is going to determine this.

I still think it's nutella.

Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 5:37 pm Would scum leave the power of decision to 2-3 people?

Doesn't make sense.

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