The Syndicate

Kate wrote:

juliets wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Also I knew JC was bad you guys should listen to me more often

Hahaha - DH, in every single game we've played you've said I was bad. In all the others i wasn't. This time I was.

Remember west wing?

Yes! West Wing is where it all began.

DharmaHelper wrote:Also I knew JC was bad you guys should listen to me more often

Hahaha - DH, in every single game we've played you've said I was bad. In all the others i wasn't. This time I was.

I don't understand what happened to all the other people who were alive. I thought maybe they blew up but I don't see any post saying that. Someone, what happened?

bea wrote: alex - I really wish you would consider the idea of boom and I both winning. I know it goes against his win conditions, but since we are stopping the game w/o playing it all out....he played hard and he played well. I played hard and I played kinda ok. I think we both deserve it. I dislike that my win comes at the expense of his. You are the host - you can create or dis-create at your pleasure. I'm only in this game in the first place because daisy decided that everyone on team Blue Lazor won - live or dead, playing or not. As far as I'm concerned, boom would have been a townie had I not been conned.

Alex - I totally agree with this.

In case you don't though here's how I see it. Cohen's win conditions say this: "Wins by surviving, but only if everyone else alive has never doubted him." Since bea is the only one left alive and she has doubted Cohen I think that makes bea the clear winner. Bea congrats, regardless of how the poll comes out. Maybe my logic is screwed up but I have no time to think through it anymore - I am voting for bea. Boomslang, you played a marvelous game and congrats whether you win or lose.

oh wait - i dont think thats what you were talking about. never mind me.

lol S~V~S, timmer told us in the post right above yours.

I don't think it (the red room) will just vanish either. MP went to all that trouble to make all those roles, each so precisely us, that it's hard to believe he would discard it. I agree it's hard to believe they will continue to take 3 people each day - unless we really are all transferring over there and that becomes the real game, and that would be like starting over. Whatever MP has in mind I'm sure it will be fun!

On the subject of bea I believe I have figured out how she could have killed herself and be rezzed and still be a civv even though she doesnt have the rezz power. The way I see it happening though there should be no hesitation on her part about the self kill, i.e., she should know exactly how it happened. Her hesitation, i.e., her saying she's pretty sure she knows how she killed herself has me a little puzzled. I don't know if my idea of how it could have happened matches with Mongoose or not and I haven't yet done what bea suggested and gone back and read around the points where she was freaking out or other odd things were happening to her. Maybe I'll have another idea once i do that.

I don't want to spend all my time in this next day phase looking at bea though. I think it's important to figure out whether she's good or bad but in case it looks like she's still civv I want to have someone I am comfortable voting for. I went wrong voting for bwt (and welcome back by the way) and I don't want to do the same again.

Mongoose wrote:

juliets wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:

Sorry to see you go! I really enjoyed finally getting to meet you!

linki timmer - I don't think she brought herself back. That was something else.

Mongoose, do you have a theory as to what that could be?

I do! I'm leery about saying too much. I'm confident Bea has no idea how she was rezzed, if that helps at all.

OK, i'll think on that.

Mongoose wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:

Sorry to see you go! I really enjoyed finally getting to meet you!

linki timmer - I don't think she brought herself back. That was something else.

Mongoose, do you have a theory as to what that could be?

Mongoose, have you got a theory you would like to share ?

Hedgeowl, here's what timmer said a few minutes go so looks like he has an idea how this might be, if you can hang around long enough for him to come back.

timmer wrote:I actually have some thoughts about how Bea is civ. I need to get the kids to bed but I'll be back.

bea wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I am not doubting her because of BWT,I am doubting her because what I thought her role was and made me feel comfortable with her is no longer valid. Bea, do you know why you rezzed?

I'm pretty sure I know how I commited suicide - as to my rez - I'm a lot more fuzzy about that.

Oh no bea, I was sure you were one of the two rezz roles. I think Timmer asked you to point us to where you hinted about your role. Will you do this for us?

linki daisy

timmer wrote:

juliets wrote:

timmer wrote:Hmm, I see bwt is claiming he will die and come back. I can see one possibility in the roles that will become obvious if he is that role. While that sucks if its real, because it means we wasted a lynch, at least he will come back and we will have another trustable civ...

Timmer, aren't there actually two possibilities, both civv? Or did I miss something?

There is, but I believe Bea is one of them, so I'm assuming BWT is the other.

Yes, ok so am I.

timmer wrote:Hmm, I see bwt is claiming he will die and come back. I can see one possibility in the roles that will become obvious if he is that role. While that sucks if its real, because it means we wasted a lynch, at least he will come back and we will have another trustable civ...

Timmer, aren't there actually two possibilities, both civv? Or did I miss something?

Thank goodness i saw the discussion about the time! There seem to be a lot of people still missing. I'm voting for bwt today, I trust some of the people voting for him and that earlier comment about his being bad in the other game while using the same reason as this one gave me a ping.

*vote bwt*

My responses to each of DH's posts. I cannot figure out why some of the links are not showing up as links but I think they can be pasted in the bar and will work. If someone has an idea as to why they are not showing as links tell me and I will repost. Sorry this is long - i wish I had lines or boxes to make this easier to read but basically it is DH's original link from his last post about me followed by my answer, either in the form of another post where i answered him or text where appropriate.

Here are some links to take a look at my thoughts on JC

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 948#p55948
My response: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 979#p55979

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 804#p54804
My response: I am not positive but i think the quote above have my responses to date.

One thing I want to add on the issue of my comment after kate's death. This is what I said:
"Wow, that was quite a night. BIH Bob but RIP Dom, like someone else said i didn't see anything that made me believe you were bob. And RIP Kate IYWG and I have no reason to believe you weren't. It's a shame you both personally are out of a champions game early, but i have to say I'm relieved we don't have to worry about bob anymore. There were some other things in that night post but i need to go back and read it because everything was overshadowed by the kills."

So DH I'm still not seeing where I "talked her up". The underlined statement is the only one that applies directly to kate. Maybe you are talking about some other quote but you'll have to point it out to me because I can't find it.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 791#p54791
My response: this is just a post saying he believes I am on one of the teams. There is no added information in this post.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 789#p54789
DH says it pings him that mongoose "came to my rescue". I don't know why mongoose commented as she did, you will have to ask her. But, she is not my teammate as I have no teammates.

DH says I am either not on AP's team because I expressed the desire to vote for him or I was showing irritation with him in the thread. viewtopic.php?f=50&t=280&p=51124#p51124 - AP was not a teammate - I have no teammates. I was not showing irritation with him in the thread I was expressing my desire to vote for him.

DH says I was trying to steer away from conversation on media and up to that point i had focused on media/zodac interactions and not on baddie hunting viewtopic.php?f=50&t=280&p=51418#p51418. Yes, I was focused on Media/Zodac. Besides Epi and someone else I can't remember wasn't almost everyone focused on media/zodac? I don't see how this has anything to do with me being bad. You could take an instance of anything I said and say "see, she was focused on this instead of baddie hunting".

DH said I did a 180 about INH viewtopic.php?f=50&t=280&p=51470#p51470. I did change my mind, does that mean I'm bad? This is just another example of DH just pointing out something I did and trying to add it to evidence of me being bad.

DH points out i brought up a bwt suspicion but said it was not enough to vote on. This is absolutely true. I had a ping but there was not enough for me to vote on. DH points out bwt voted for kate's rezz. If the implication here is that bwt and I were teammates, that is simply not true. bwt is not a teammate, and in fact I have no teammates. So this is a suggestion that someone else is bad and I didnt vote for him. It is possible bwt is bad but at the time I had not seen enough evidence to warrant my vote. I thought I made that clear in my post.

DH points out I wanted to see who Kate had posted about prior to her death after she died. He guesses I had a vested interest. I did not. I simply couldn't remember anything controversial Kate had said and in fact, didn't find anything when I reviewed her posts. He also said my inquisitiveness made it look like i was involved in her death. So, here he seems to be saying i killed kate instead of being on the same team as kate.

DH says I am acting like LT or Dom. When I asked about that, saying that was extreme, he admitted that he didnt think I acted at the same level as the two of them.

I think I answered everything else in this post inside the post.

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=280&p=54753#p54753
This post covers the same ground as the previous post as far as i can see. The only thing I noticed that was added is that I voted for bea to have the shield. I did indeed vote for her - how does that make me bad??

Any responses that anyone has a question about please ask and I will answer.

linki Devin

Nevinera wrote:

juliets wrote:I will post my response to DH, which I have posted before, in just a bit. I do want to point out however that even Nevin admits his word analysis is faulty.

Proven false, *not* faulty.

But much of incredibility argument against Juliets was based Seemer her Venomous Imp interactions with Bea, so I don't see a lot against her in TokyoRose analysis anymore.

Certainly I don't overconfidence that 'she used a King of Hearts oddly' is a strong argument.

Sorry, proven false.

DH, just a quick note, I wasn't one of the people who said supper.

DharmaHelper wrote:Two things off the top of my head

1. Nev's thoughts on his Rumpelstiltskin anaylsis - I believe (Correct me if I'm wrong) that quote you pulled was in regards to the analysis as it related to bea, not you.
2. "The case on Vomps was strong enough that you also voted for him, DH" - I would hope so, since I myself made the case on Vomps.

No DH, he was actually talking to me in that quote and talking about the analysis as it relates to all of us.

Yes, you made the case on him (Vomps) so I just dont get why you take exception for me voting for him. It had nothing to do with Epignosis.

My answers in blue since i couldnt figure out how to separate these quotes:

DharmaHelper wrote:

juliets wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:In terms of suspects/cases, I think evidence has been presented that could reasonably point to JC being either a Manipulator or a Video Game mafia person.

And I have answered all of your allegations - I am not a manipulator or a VG mafia.

DharmaHelper wrote:Sure you've answered them, but I don't think you've answered them satisfactorily.

I totally disagree.

DharmaHelper wrote: Does anyone else have any other suspects?

@Bea Sure I can pull together some stuff. If you want specifics I pretty solidly put forth voting evidence that suggested JC might be with Kate's team and Nev put out a good bit of evidence that might point to JC using shifty language to get a vote boost from Rumpelstiltskin. But off the top of my head these things come to mind

1. Voted for Kate in the rezz poll

As I stated earlier, I thought at the time Kate was a civv. I had a small ping that FH might be bad, I had no pings about kate and thus I went with kate over FH.

DharmaHelper wrote:2. Nev's analysis of the Rumpelstiltskin power includes JCK

Here is just one of Nevin's comments about his analysis. He was talking to me: "Vomps is gone, and my argument against you and bea is disproven, so there's not anything else solid to bet on that I'm aware of."

DharmaHelper wrote:3. When Epignosis (Whom I suspect was PP) was a contender for the lynch, JC voted the other candidates, helping Epig avoid being lynched.

This is from my answer to DH's earlier post:
- Day 5 was the day llama submitted the case against you DH. I defended you in the thread and voted llama for what I thought was an attempt to get you lynched.
- On day 6 I was still neutral on both Epig and bwt. I re-read Vomps and FH had brought up an important point about Vomps so I voted for him. The case for him was strong enough that you also voted for him DH.

DharmaHelper wrote: Here are some links to take a look at my thoughts on JC

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 948#p55948
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 804#p54804
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 791#p54791
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 789#p54789
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 753#p54753

I will address each of the quotes above in a separate post since this one is getting lengthy

And nev's rumpelstiltskin possibility
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 749#p54743

See my post above about what Nev thinks of his analysis. Here is another quote from Nev regarding his analysis: "You're welcome to try to pry additional leads out of that type of analysis,
but I didn't find much aside from the short list I presented before,
which is now clearly inaccurate"

Hope that helps.

And i hope these answers help. More to come a little later (the figure skating is on now)

I will post my response to DH, which I have posted before, in just a bit. I do want to point out however that even Nevin admits his word analysis is faulty.

BDH, I have to go to the other thread to figure out what you did (I guess you posted again) but I didn't know anything about opposite language either. If it was in a post somewhere I just completely overlooked it which would be my bad. I didn't play Twin Peaks so had no reference point to tell me. I was ready to post in there also thinking we were being encouraged to post. I'm sorry to lose Thomas but I am also sorry to lose you and hope you are not saying you are retiring from mafia all together because I love when you're in the game.

DharmaHelper wrote:In terms of suspects/cases, I think evidence has been presented that could reasonably point to JC being either a Manipulator or a Video Game mafia person.

And I have answered all of your allegations - I am not a manipulator or a VG mafia.

bea wrote:JC - from what I can gather from the red thread, it looks like yes, they are voting to invite some people to their thread. I'm guessing that one or all of them will be lynched in here and join the dead side? That's how I read it anyway.

Again, purely speculative, but there's a large number of baddies already in that thread. I wonder if their goal will be to get teammates with them or to seek revenge on the living civs. I gotta admit, I'm a little worried about how this is going to shake out.

Insane goosey is no fun.

Nev and Goosey - short sentences work best.

Ohhhh bea i didnt think about them being deaded in here to get into that game. Yikes.

Welcome back SVS, I'm glad to see that wrong was righted. Nice going MP host with the most.

I don't know what to make of that red thread. It looks like they are trying to vote the same 3 people and if they do that they will only add 3 people to a 30 role game. How odd. I didn't play Twin Peaks so if there is some logic here that I don't understand about this other game then please someone pipe in and say.

bea, sorry I wasnt around yesterday to confirm we were in AGods. Your info is more than I know because I never read the book. We didn't have that much detail in the game so I guess I'm doubtful that MP spent time researching what the different places meant in the book. Your idea though is just as good as any other idea we've had about where to place a vote and there is always the possibility that I'm wrong about MP and he did research those places.

DharmaHelper wrote:Keep in mind this is just the math and is very slapdash. And this all assumes Epignosis was PP, which may or may not be a leap in logic.

1-UP poll wrote:
Kate
11
Mongoose (3), bea (8), Epignosis (15), thellama73 (17), Spacedaisy (20), Devin the Omniscient (31), birdwithteeth11 (34), juliets (43), Vompatti (46), Bullzeye (49), AceofSpaces (57) 19%

Epignosis voted for Kate, which supports the idea that Epignosis was PP and Kate was Big Daddy.

As I think I have said before, I voted for kate because at the time I thought she was civv and I had a slight ping about FH. The ping about FH has since gone away and I now believe Kate was Big Daddy but none of that was clear at the time.

Day 5 Lynch wrote: Epignosis
6
Spacedaisy (7), S~V~S (14), birdwithteeth11 (15), blindfaeth (18), AceofSpaces (23), Hedgeowl (27) 22%

thellama73
10
DharmaHelper (8), Nevinera (10), Devin the Omniscient (11), Flyin' High (12), Mongoose (13), juliets (16), Elohcin (19), Bullzeye (21), Epignosis
(22), DFaraday (24) 37%

DharmaHelper wrote: Devin, Goose, Juliet, and Bullz/Timmer all voted for Kate for the 1-UP AND voted for llama in the D5 lynch. Interesting!

Day 5 was the day llama submitted the case against you DH. I defended you in the thread and voted llama for what I thought was an attempt to get you lynched.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Day 6 Lynch wrote: Epignosis
5
S~V~S (15), birdwithteeth11 (19), Nevinera (20), Spacedaisy (22), timmer (23) 21%

Vompatti
7
Boomslang (12), DFaraday (14), Flyin' High (16), DharmaHelper (17), Elohcin (18), juliets (21), Epignosis (24) 29%

Going by the placement/timing of their votes for Epignosis, I think we can discount SD and Timmer from being teammates with Epig if Epig was PP. Someone we cannot discount however is Juliets. That's where my eye will be turned for this coming day :P

On day 6 I was still neutral on both Epig and bwt. I re-read Vomps and FH had brought up an important point about Vomps so I voted for him. The case for him was strong enough that you also voted for him DH.

All this is predicated on the fact that Epig was PP and we have no way to know that at this time.

I will be somewhat busy this afternoon and then have Jeopardy and then dinner so I'm not sure I'll be back on here today until late or even tomorrow morning.

I'll answer your suspicions later DH, I don't have the time right at the moment.

I just stopped in to vote Oklahoma because that's where my mother is from and her family is still there.

I can't imagine MP would charge us for missing a vote on a day that ended immediately. And with SVS, I have to say again it is frustrating to lose you. Terribly bad luck.

DharmaHelper wrote:Keep in mind this is just the math and is very slapdash. And this all assumes Epignosis was PP, which may or may not be a leap in logic.

1-UP poll wrote:
Kate
11
Mongoose (3), bea (8), Epignosis (15), thellama73 (17), Spacedaisy (20), Devin the Omniscient (31), birdwithteeth11 (34), juliets (43), Vompatti (46), Bullzeye (49), AceofSpaces (57) 19%

Epignosis voted for Kate, which supports the idea that Epignosis was PP and Kate was Big Daddy.

Day 5 Lynch wrote: Epignosis
6
Spacedaisy (7), S~V~S (14), birdwithteeth11 (15), blindfaeth (18), AceofSpaces (23), Hedgeowl (27) 22%

thellama73
10
DharmaHelper (8), Nevinera (10), Devin the Omniscient (11), Flyin' High (12), Mongoose (13), juliets (16), Elohcin (19), Bullzeye (21), Epignosis
(22), DFaraday (24) 37%

Devin, Goose, Juliet, and Bullz/Timmer all voted for Kate for the 1-UP AND voted for llama in the D5 lynch. Interesting!

Day 6 Lynch wrote: Epignosis
5
S~V~S (15), birdwithteeth11 (19), Nevinera (20), Spacedaisy (22), timmer (23) 21%

Vompatti
7
Boomslang (12), DFaraday (14), Flyin' High (16), DharmaHelper (17), Elohcin (18), juliets (21), Epignosis (24) 29%

Going by the placement/timing of their votes for Epignosis, I think we can discount SD and Timmer from being teammates with Epig if Epig was PP. Someone we cannot discount however is Juliets. That's where my eye will be turned for this coming day :P

I'm not sure why you've picked me out of the group to focus on but I'm sure you will explain and I'll answer tomorrow.

BigDamnHero wrote:

Nevinera wrote:What just happened? Did someone have a 'end the day immediately' item or something?

RIP SVS :-\
That sucks.

I've gotta fess up....I'm pretty sure this was MY fault, unfortunately. I had a prize from my MacGuyver story, though I had NO IDEA what it did, just that I could only use it during the day phase. I'm so so very sorry SVS.

But BDH, somehow she had to get a vote didn't she? You didnt do that. Or was it considered a tie because none of us got any votes? And Zodac decided? That just doesn't seem right because if Zodac is civvie-leaning why would he choose SVS? This whole thing just doesn't make sense to me.

Yes SVS, RIP. I was so into how this could have happened I didn't stop and tell you how much I think we'll miss you - and yes, I did pick up what you were laying down! The game wont be the same without you.

linki: ah yes dh I agree

This is what the poll says:

S~V~S
0
No votes

So how did she get lynched??

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Anyone else notice that bea is off the pole again? Lol.

Wasn't that Ibis who took people off the poll and isn't he dead?

Anyway, I will go ahead and cast my vote for llama. I noticed Daisy was here for awhile but did not answer the questions in the thread. Maybe she was at work or didnt have time but it did notch my pings up a little. I want a chance for her to explain though so i won't put a vote that way today.

*votes llama*

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, I just read ten pages at 40 pp and there is this scene playing in my head from Chicago. I feel like I should be singing "give 'em the old Razzle Dazzle..." This day period has felt like a three ring circus. There are two distinct groups pulling in two different directions. SVS, Bea and BDH are kind of grouped together and pointing at Llama and Nev. Nev and Llama are pointing at Bea. And then you have DH coming in with this Vomps stuff. It just seems like a lot of confusion. I liked Nev's word analysis. But I am hearing SVS and what I am hearing is not, "I suspect, I believe" It is "I know." She would not be saying that if she did not know. I also believe BDH believes Bea is Civ. and yes I think he would know her well enough to know how to read her a lot better than me. And I originally thought she was bad until she was targeted for a NK. I have a waffled a lot on her so this has been tough. Also, I don't understand the logic of killing Bea if you believe she is Martell. If she is, we have no way of knowing it for certain. Why is she the logical choice from your group of three that emerged in the word analysis? I'm just not understanding.

Vomps... DH surprised me with that one. To be honest it seems the most like desperate attempt to distract. (It was DH who brought this us, was it not? Stuff melds together when reading ten pages in one sitting.) anyone can copy and paste. To say that it looks like Vomps because of that seems like a HUGE stretch. And Vomps seems like an easy target to me.

Arg. I don't know if Vomps is bad, but I don't like the case against him. But I have a bad feeling about the way this lynch has gone and particularly about the idea of lynching Bea so I am going to cast a vote on Vomps and see how the chips fall.

Spacedaisy, going back through your posts I stumbled on this one again. So much was happening during that lynch I didn't even notice that you said this until re-reading you. You seem to really not want to vote for Vomps - everything you said was about not voting for him. Yet you vote for him. Wasn't there anyone else you at least had a ping about that you could have voted? It just seems odd.

I want to hear what Daisy has to say about the socks/cold/feet and her explanation here before I would consider voting for her, so I may very well vote llama today.

FH, the way I read the Rumple definition is that whoever says the magic word gets their vote doubled so if that's true, Timmer's list isn't narrowing down who is Rumple after all. I should have re-read that role when he posted.

Also, I agree with the comment about SD's post being odd. Why not just put on your socks and then start your post - what need is there to tell us that. I meant to take a look at her posts the other day but didn't get to it so I will do so today.

Here is a list of how I am feeling about people at the moment:

People I feel OK about: BDH, DH, Lizzy, SVS, bea, Nevin
People I feel neutral about: BF, Boomslang, Devin, Eloh, FH, Mongoose, Timmer, Hedge
People I'm concerned about: llama, bwt, Daisy, DF

"Concerned about" does not mean I feel sure they're a baddie necessarily, it just means i at least have a ping about them. I obviously need to clear my neutrals to either an "OK" or "concerned about".

timmer wrote:I think one of these
is rump: faraday, hedgeowl,
Mongoose, juliets.

This is an interesting analysis Timmer which bears some scrutiny. I am not Rumple however.

Last time I collected the evidence on bwt I was not convinced he was bad but I'm concerned that we never saw him yesterday yet he posted in the other game. I don't want to think he is avoiding us but I'm not sure what else to make of it at this time.

I have re-read bf and bdh and saw nothing in either one that I could attribute to their being bad. I want to read through a few more today, I think concentrating on the names Timmer brought up. Someone(s) have got to be bad, whether in the Timmer group or somewhere else. I agree with something SVS said earlier, too many people are seeming good.

Again, if I don't find anyone I am comfortable with I will vote for llama, though I'd much rather have someone other than him.

bea! If this is what I think you are clever, and as I suspected at the end of the lynch, civ. Welcome back!

I think the Nev vs. BDH argument was civv on civv and hope that now that bea is back it calms down. I've though Nev was civv for some time now for the reasons FH outlined.

I don't know who I want to vote for today. llama is a possibility but someone (Nevin was this you?) convinced me so thoroughly that a lynch of llama was totally a waste, though I understand that it could give us some information. I'm going to take a look at some people who have not been in the discussion and see if I can find anything in their posts. I will also look at SD since FH has brought her up as a possibility (and like she said, someone mentioned her yesterday).

To be clear on what I'm saying about the night post, Zodac evidently agreed with our selection of Aces so s/he did not intercede. I'm not sure in that case whether we would say Zodac killed Aces or not - the important thing though is it had nothing to do with the lynch.

timmer wrote:Okay guys, settle in, then, this will be a long post full of…. the maths.

Looking back through the polls, one of the ones that caught my eye the most was the Day 5 lynch. Epig had 6 apparent votes, the llama had 10, and yet the lynch apparently ended in a tie since ultimately Zodac took over and decided it (picking Aces, for whatever reason he had to do that). So in the process of trying to figure out how it all happened, I've come to some interesting conclusions.

Timmer, I'm not sure why you think Epig and llama tied on day 5. Aces was killed Night 5 because he was on the night poll and we voted for him. Zodac didn't kill him. Maybe I'm missing some huge point here and if so, just straighten me out.

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:

Nevinera wrote:BDH's posts do give me pause, because I can't think of a single reason for him to behave as he is.
But I've been able to say that a lot lately.
Hopefully at the end of the game someone will be able to explain wth has been going on.

Votes *bea*.

I can't figure it out either but I'm uncomfortable enough to not vote for bea because of it. Maybe that will change as time goes by (if bea lives through today).

I think we're far enough into the votes that I can vote now and I'm voting for Vomps. I think the analysis about him being Jack holds water.
*votes Vomps*

This doesn't do much to dissuade me that you are on Bea's team.

Well, if you read the thread you saw in my conversation with svs that bea was high on my list. BDH's post though gives me great pause, and I'm not sure why it didnt give you great pause. I knew if I didnt vote for bea people like you would point that out but I'll be damned if I'll vote someone i have serious doubts about just because others might think its because she is my teamie.

Nevinera wrote:BDH's posts do give me pause, because I can't think of a single reason for him to behave as he is.
But I've been able to say that a lot lately.
Hopefully at the end of the game someone will be able to explain wth has been going on.

Votes *bea*.

I can't figure it out either but I'm uncomfortable enough to not vote for bea because of it. Maybe that will change as time goes by (if bea lives through today).

I think we're far enough into the votes that I can vote now and I'm voting for Vomps. I think the analysis about him being Jack holds water.
*votes Vomps*

S~V~S wrote:Then again, it is totally possible that the two of you are totes manipulating me, since you two are the people most likely to be able to manipulate me.

Who is on your short list? Your long list?

SVS are you asking me? Just in case you are I have 3 people on my short list: llama, bea, and vomps. llama is out for a vote today and bea was my next choice but this bdh information has me uneasy, as i just said. So, I'm thinking I'm going to go with Vomps. As for a long list, I dont have one. I don't think I've ever had a long list because I don't count small pings until they are backed up with either something stronger from a gut feel standpoint or good solid evidence.

I'm still waiting because I still cant tell if i'm going to have to vote a save. bea, by the way, there are two hours left until the vote is over.

S~V~S wrote:

juliets wrote:SVS, if you hadn't voted llama because he's not likely to die in the lynch, who would you have voted?

To be honest, i am not sure. I would have considered a Bea vote until BDH said what he said. The fact that the word thing did not apply to you as far as i am concerned could also mean it does not apply to her. Although that "supper" as "super" thing was pingy.

Linky @ FH~ I think maybe he just understands bea well.

Yes, I am slightly uncomfortable given what bdh says about bea voting for her.

SVS, if you hadn't voted llama because he's not likely to die in the lynch, who would you have voted?

S~V~S wrote:I think he means he knows her, really, really, really, really well.

lolol, ok -

S~V~S wrote:Um, I think it's kinda obvious, lol~

And FH, bea ALWAYS wants to be lynched when under suspish as a civ. As a HV player i thought you might remember that?

So he's talking about outside the thread communication? I didn't think that was allowed.

BigDamnHero wrote:@Fh: I'm st work on ohine so hafta make thus quick...it's not just her role hints. I have outside access that no other player does. Evryone's gotta trust me on this: BEA IS A CIV.

I'm just going to flat out ask, what kind of "outside access"?

S~V~S wrote:Well, people are saying that they know his role (??) and that it would be a waste, so I dunno if you should. I am not 100% sure he is any specific role, I am sure he lied, and then backpedaled about it. It's all in the thread. I do think he did so willfully, and I am not sure why anyone NOT a baddie would do so.

I hope you are seeing what I put out, JC~ you of all people should

I hope you are not bad, lol. If i missed it (I am not fully caught up today, we had Blizzard #7878957 today) did you say your opinion on Bea?

Ok, yes i do see why some people are saying it would be a waste and I'll revisit that before I make a final decision.

Unfortunately, at this point in time I think bea is probably bad. You may not share that opinion and if you don't, I would love to know why. Maybe you can open my eyes to something I'm overlooking.

S~V~S wrote:Devin, it was a lie. He flouted his curse. He is bad.

Although apparently I guess i don't know what I am talking about, lol~ you all can just ignore me.

Also, Devin, I am not bad (although you have been wanting to find an excuse for thinking me so). I think anyone who has played many games with me, or who I have hosted, or especially who i have cohosted with, should know that.

I don't think you're bad at all and I'm intrigued with your 100% positiveness about llama. Why would you say this unless you know for sure? I'm considering a vote with you here because you are so sure but i first have to assure that I'm not going to have to save myself.

Summary of what's been brought up about Vomps.

1. Votes day 0 and says he doesnt want to talk about it
2. Votes for Dom for reasons he says he can't reveal
3. AP stood up for him and said he would vote anyone who voted Vomps
4. Early in game vote by gleam because vomps only made 2 posts and not even any jokey ones
5. Said its possible he was on a baddie team and his fellow baddies told him who to vote for
6. Very quiet but talking in spanish, throws a vote on him to participate more
7. (Note: talk of Vomps in another game being a high posting civv)
8. Part of VAL voting block
9. A Person announces he will protect Vomps
10. Could be AP teammate because who else would let AP behave like that
11. Votes 11 for no other reason than he has an affinity for 11
12. Vomps voted for Kate
13. When asked about why he changed from voting Dom, did not want to got back in the thread to remember how he voted and why
14. Seems to steer clear of the popular vote maybe to avoid detection
15. Vomps is suspected of being Jack due to his rescue from the lynch and the message posted