The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:Where are we at with determining game orders? I could do it soonish if there's an opening.

Hey LC, see the following explanation for how the queue for full jobs is being managed. They just did a three month queue and I don't know when the next call for game submission will be but MP probably has a good idea. I suggest contacting him directly to find out when to submit your game. I hope you are in the next batch to vote on. Here is the explanation.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 21#p304714

Long Con wrote:

Long Con wrote:Soul Shade - Influences one player each night. The influence will be different for each role.

John Locke: Will think he is Special, and receive a fake Quest Win Condition

Just want to mention that I was sad that this one never got to happen.

You can save it for your next game which i hope will be soon!

Yes! Go ahead with the sequel!!

That was such an intense game. We had one night where Tranq had to decide whether to use a parchment he found to add two extra votes so he wouldnt get lynched or go with the tie, depend on a coin toss and use the parchment the next day. We were crazed that night (Typh wasnt there) trying to decide what to do. Turned out we used the parchment but it was a cursecrafter item and did nothing so it ended up a toin coss and Tranq died anyway. All that angst over something that didnt matter. That was one of the times I loved our bts the most. I can't say enough about my team, SVS, Tranq, Typhoony, Luke, as you can expect it was a lot of fun and i couldnt ask for a better team as i knew all of them so well except Luke. Almost everyone stayed totally involved even after they died.

LC and BR your games are always excellent and this was no exception. It seems like I call each one the best I've ever played but maybe that just shows you do better and better each time. I had loads of fun.

Congrats to the Circle. You were a formidable group and who was on your team surprised the hell out of me. Like others, Golden and Hamb boy surprised me the most. We had an argument in our bts about sorsha - 3 of us thought she was bad and one thought she was good. You really did a bang up job. Excellent.

And finally, for those who said i just sounded "off" I hope you realize I sounded the same as i would sound as a civ. I knew when I started hearing that that you had info on me and I was done. Its ok though i still had my team.

LoRab wrote:Saw this and thought of this game, the Dr Dre-idel.

http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/241045

This is too cool Lorab!

Turnip Head wrote:

juliets wrote:And as for finding baddies, anything I pointed out would be seen immediately with suspicion just because it's me who's pointing it out, or worst case, i would point out some baddie behavior and everyone would think they were civv.

I don't think that's true, in fact it's only really true if you are lynched and flip baddie. This feels like a copout answer juliets. You're saying you aren't looking for baddies because people suspect you.

Well I do think it's true.

LoRab wrote:

juliets wrote:

LoRab wrote:Really? You have no idea why you weren't lycnhed? I find that hard to believe.

At the time I did not. Since then Mac has spread so many hints around I think I might know. As he said in his hints, and I'm paraphrasing, it was not me that caused him to be lynched.

How about why you and k-nuk were tied? Do you not know that, either?

And Mac has more hinted why he survived the lynch, not why he was the candidate. And if both of you are bad, then, well, I'm not sure I believe him, either.

No I don't know why me and canuck were tied. And I also have no idea why Mac was a candidate. I know I voted for him because I was trying to save myself, but why everyone else did I have no idea. They said it was because he was asking for votes which I still don't understand.

LoRab wrote:Really? You have no idea why you weren't lycnhed? I find that hard to believe.

At the time I did not. Since then Mac has spread so many hints around I think I might know. As he said in his hints, and I'm paraphrasing, it was not me that caused him to be lynched.

Turnip Head wrote:C'mon mang I can't hold your hand. Look at her posts from the past couple of cycles and tell me if it feels like a civvie in danger, or a baddie lying just low enough until she can squeak by with some vote trickery.

I have responded to everything I can respond to. For all of those saying it's my tone or something similar there's not a lot I can say about that except I have the same tone every game, whether I'm good or bad. It's a mistake to use my tone as the reason to vote me. Many of the people who are doing that haven't played with me before or haven't played with me for a long time. Not all but many. So I dont want to repeat myself over and over. And as for finding baddies, anything I pointed out would be seen immediately with suspicion just because it's me who's pointing it out, or worst case, i would point out some baddie behavior and everyone would think they were civv.

So I don't know what else you want me to say. I see no reason why I wouldn't be lynched today and to whoever said it earlier today (Mac I think) I had no idea Mac would be lynched.

Draconus wrote:

Matt F wrote:Drac, do you think the person with the Obsidian Dagger killed Epig to frame you or juliets, or do you think you or juliets killed Epig?

I still think it's possible that Timmer killed Epi with the Dagger. Especially after spouting all of that stuff about items not being what they appear to be. I can't say what his thought process was regarding the kill, but he almost seemed apologetic about it To answer your first question, I don't think anyone was being framed there. At least, I didn't feel framed.

I totally agree with Draconus and also do not feel like someone was trying to frame me.

RIPIYWG Typhoony. I don't know whether to be glad or sad that you were deaded but as a person I'm sorry you're out of the game.

I'm voting for I7.

Oh, I said i was voting fall and then never voted. I'm voting now.

Well, fall=football so I'm voting for fall. I'm happy to be around for another day though I had nothing to do with it.

I'm going to vote Mac. I wish I could have found the right words to convince those of you who voted for me that I wasn't bad. Some of you know I'm not bad and you will not be surprised that I am civ. Some of you I think genuinely feel I'm bad but you will see that I am not. I've enjoyed playing with you all!

Sorsha wrote:

juliets wrote:I got in earlier than expected and have read through today's posts.

First RIPIYWG sig and Epi. Sig I don't know for sure but I'm pretty sure you are good. Epi I thought you looked good too but you never know.

Golden, you've at least convinced me to go back and read timmer 2.0.

And I see people are still thinking about voting me. Sorsha, could you give me just the short and sweet on why you think I'm bad? Lorab, could I ask the same from you?

Also I am happy to answer any questions. I will be here tonight, early tomorrow morning then gone to an appointment from 10:45 - 4:00 then back in the thread.

It was mostly your defensive posts that pinged me. You seemed to change your mind once you were under pressure, changing who you were voting for to appease those who were suspicious of you... Makes me think that you don't really care who gets lynched as long as it's not you/someone on your team.

Thanks Sorsha. I did change my mind twice but it's because I was convinced by others that my vote was wrong. First was sig. I voted for him because of what I saw as a slip-up. I did not know anything about sig when I voted. Then, multiple people including Golden, Epi and HamBoy began to speak out and say that this was a very common thing for sig and if I knew him I would understand that. I became concerned that they were right - I certainly didn't know sig and certainly didn't know his meta. Thats why I changed my vote to nutella who I also suspected.

The next change was from Luke to nutella. I explained that change in the post I made last night so I won't go through it again but I would like to point out that nutella was the Darkness, not exactly a benign role.

I do care who gets lynched and in fact thats why I took the risk of changing my mind.

HamburgerBoy wrote:juliets, what are your opinions on Bass_the_Clever and DFaraday (who I just realized isn't on the poll)? In addition to your view on what their alignment may be, do you have any meta-related insights regarding them for someone like me that hasn't played with either before?

I haven't paid much attention to Bass or to DFaraday this game because they both are so quiet. I went over Bass's posts and the only thing that stood out to me is except for the vote about the lynch, he tends to not be a part of discussions until it's time to vote. When he votes he provides some context for the vote. Mainly, from a meta point of view I see him as quiet, many times blendy. He is neutral to me at the moment.

DFaraday is a little different. From a meta standpoint he is another one that does not post much but is likely to have good insights when he does. Like this game, he goes his own way by which i mean if his vote looks like a bandwagon vote he doesn't back off because of that. He votes who he votes - he doesn't seem to care if others are poo-pooing the vote, it's what he believes and he's going with it. He's sometimes called blendy in games. The trouble is from what i have seen he is this way no matter his alignment. I am leaning good on him this game.

Others may provide a better insight than I can give on these two.

Well, there seems to be nobody here tonight well, except Mac showing his pretty face. So, I'm going to bed. Feel free to leave any questions and I will get to them in the morning.

MacDougall wrote:juliets do you resent being made scum by the host?

I think that's a question you should ask yourself.

I got in earlier than expected and have read through today's posts.

First RIPIYWG sig and Epi. Sig I don't know for sure but I'm pretty sure you are good. Epi I thought you looked good too but you never know.

Golden, you've at least convinced me to go back and read timmer 2.0.

And I see people are still thinking about voting me. Sorsha, could you give me just the short and sweet on why you think I'm bad? Lorab, could I ask the same from you?

Also I am happy to answer any questions. I will be here tonight, early tomorrow morning then gone to an appointment from 10:45 - 4:00 then back in the thread.

Dom wrote:

juliets wrote:

Dom wrote:

juliets wrote:

Dom wrote:Didn't sound very worried here:

juliets wrote:I'm voting Canuck for obvious reasons.

I was of course worried. It looked like I was getting lynched. I don't know what you expected me to say to "sound worried".

I am going to vote "it depends" because I have played in both open and closed formats and it is different depending on format.

I'm not sure how simply saying "I'm voting someone for obvious reasons" is urgent.

Urgent? What do you mean? Urgent in that I needed to get it in before the lynch ended? I think you may mean something else, not urgent. Can you ask in a different way?

You made the absolute bare minimum attempt to save yourself.

Oh I see. That's because I was only on long enough to vote - there wasn't time for me to go through a defense, it was a very busy time for me with family and they were more important than the game. Now that I am facing lynch again and I have more time to argue my case and I am doing so. There's not a lot for me to grab onto except the issue about my nutella/luke votes and the fact that I don't "feel" right.

Just in case I'm not on again tonight let me just remind everyone I drive home tomorrow. I will be online Fri morn early, have an appointment mid-day and will be on again in the late afternoon and evening.

MacDougall wrote:juliets if you were scum who would you defibitely not kill?

I can't even imagine being scum.

Dom wrote:

juliets wrote:

Dom wrote:Didn't sound very worried here:

juliets wrote:I'm voting Canuck for obvious reasons.

I was of course worried. It looked like I was getting lynched. I don't know what you expected me to say to "sound worried".

I am going to vote "it depends" because I have played in both open and closed formats and it is different depending on format.

I'm not sure how simply saying "I'm voting someone for obvious reasons" is urgent.

Urgent? What do you mean? Urgent in that I needed to get it in before the lynch ended? I think you may mean something else, not urgent. Can you ask in a different way?

Golden wrote:Juliet, one thing I'm interested in.

Do you agree - whether for civ or bad reasons - with assertions that you are playing this game noticeably different to usual?

No, thats one of the things that surprises me about what people are saying. I'm playing the same game I always play so I don't understand what people are seeing. That may be the most frustrating thing about this whole thing for me. I've even gone on trips before during games and not been able to post, just like this game.

I have been reading back over the last couple of days and see that there is still confusion about my nutella vote and my luke vote on the day we voted twice. i voted luke first in the first part of the day which I'm pretty sure was Friday night. Epi then made a point that he didn't understand why people who had voted nutella the day before (I was one of those people) weren't voting her in the first half of the day.

Epignosis wrote:I'm voting nutella now. It astonishes me that Luke had one vote Day 3 when nutella had 9, and now Luke has a mob on him.

I think it's telling that some people thought two people would be lynched Day 3, voted nutella, and then make little to no mention of her now. And some of these people were uncomfortable with the notion of a double lynch for Day 4.

I commented that this was a good point and changed my vote to nutella, underlining here why i hadn't already.

juliets wrote:Epi's point is a good point and like I said, my vote for luke was provisional. I haven't stopped suspecting nutella I just didnt think it could happen today. So I will change my vote to nutella.

For the next half of the day I was on the road all day. When I got to my destination early I went in and reviewed the thread for the day to see if Luke (who I already suspected) had answered any of the questions people had thrown at him. He had answered some but the answers weren't sufficient so I voted for him. I voted for him last because I didn't even log on that night until somewhere between 8:30 and 9:00.

I really don't understand why any of this is suspicious. People who think it is suspicious should take another minute and read my posts during that period of time. I have the impression that people are taking it for granted that these votes are in some way bad. I'm happy to answer questions about this - i have answered some already - just bear with me on the timing of my response.

Dom wrote:Didn't sound very worried here:

juliets wrote:I'm voting Canuck for obvious reasons.

I was of course worried. It looked like I was getting lynched. I don't know what you expected me to say to "sound worried".

I am going to vote "it depends" because I have played in both open and closed formats and it is different depending on format.

Dom wrote:So, Juliets, you knew you weren't being lynched?

I did not know I wasn't being lynched. I wasn't able to get on because I was busy.

Turnip Head wrote:The thing I think is odd is that juliets hasn't been around today to defend herself. She posted quite a bit yesterday but not at all today. She usually lets us know when she's not going to be around. I wonder where she is.

TH, I apologize I traveled to be with my parents and brother for a few days for my mothers birthday and we have been busy with family. Today should be a little better and then Thursday we are driving back all in one day.

RIP Canuck. I hope to play again with you soon.

I'm voting Canuck for obvious reasons.

HamburgerBoy wrote:That whole quote pyramid seems to involve Floyd and BUGLA though, not Luke.

HamBoy I went through all my posts and the best I can figure I said Luke when I should have said Floyd because Floyd was the person I reinterpreted Tranq's question for. So I think thats just a mistake.

HamBoy, this is the quote that shows the question Tranq asked and the question I asked. I thought Bugla didn't understand the question which is why I paraphrased.

I wasn't trying to help Luke, I paraphrased hoping he could give a better answer. It was in no way any kind of defense of Luke - it was more an indictment. In day 4 part 1 i shifted my vote because I though Epi made a good point that we had shifted to Luke instead of staying with nutella from the day before. I was in and out that day just like you said.

I think i already explained day 4 part 2 but since I had had Luke in mind the day before I wanted to see if he had relieved the qualms I had or not so I checked to see if he had answered the questions people had. He did a weak job and so I voted for him. I hadn't suspected him because I wanted to set him up for a bus but I guess there is no way to actually prove that.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:juliets was an SK in the Hobbit. She replaced into that game I think.

Yes I was smaug. I don't think a game where I was a LMS indie is comparable to a game where I was a baddie but please bring forward anything you think is relevant.

Dom wrote:Juliets, it's more that you voted for nutella and then Luke and I don't see really why you picked Luke. I don't see why Nutella was your choice on 4.1 versus Luke on 4.2

I voted for nutella because even after she responded to her accusations the fact still remained that she still didn't give any hint to Sorsha that she was going to vote her, thus giving her no chance to respond. She also avoided breaking the three way tie. Then I voted for Luke because when I checked to see if he had answered the questions that people had addressed to him that day (this was late on Saturday after not having been in the thread all day) I found only a weak attempt to answer those questions. That was the last straw to me and I voted Luke.

I'm not understanding why the order in which I voted people is an issue.

HamburgerBoy wrote:

Typhoony wrote:And last but not least, HamburgerBoys post about juliets. He says that:
- Juliets was the last one on the Luke train and this is a really bad look.
- She was pressured by Epi to change her vote from Luke to nutella.

My opinion:
Ok?
- How does this make her look bad Hboy? Juliets was indeed the last one on the Luke train, she had also said multiple times that she was away and wouldn't know for sure when she would be back.
- She already said her vote for Luke was provisional.

Saying it was a provisional vote isn't really a good thing. Luke's level of activity and his (often lack of) response to others' questioning means he was on the way out regardless, and therefore an easy person to bus. A provisional vote can just as easily mean "Hey I want people to know that I had been looking at Luke early, but he's still my scumbuddy so I'll wait until it looks like a lynch is guaranteed". Additionally, she didn't appear to be away to me; her vote change was made 3:16PM my time, her "torn about Luke" at 2:41PM, she had asked MetalMarsh about you at 12:15PM, and had even posted a RIP for Turnip four hours before that. All of that indicates she had been viewing the thread on and off over a good portion of that day. In fact, all of the other vote changes prior to hers (from Draconus, Floyd, and golden in that order) happened in between her 2:41PM post and her 3:16PM post.

Saying it was a provisional vote means I could change it if something else compelling comes along. I don't agree that it really isn't a good thing. The way I look at it if I'm not voting last then there's always something that could come up that causes me to change my mind. Also, I am confused about what day you are talking about that I was in the thread. If it was Sat. Nov. 7th I was not in the thread all day because I was traveling. I got to my stop that night just in time to skim for Luke answering questions and then vote. Other days I have been in the thread off and on. Which vote are you talking about?

Well, I should have clicked on Canucks link. I didnt realize it was this game when I said she found a game where i was a baddie. That's not what we're looking for, but thanks Epi for finding one. I am not a nub.

Typhoony brought up the same questions I have about this suspicion around me. I cannot think of a game where I was bad - it's been awhile - to link everyone to. The closest I can come is an LMS role I had but that's not the same. I will go back through some games a little later to see if I can find one where I was bad.

Meanwhile I've got a question for Dom:

Dom wrote:Given Luke's alignment, I don't think it's implausible for Juliets to be his teammate.

Dom, what is it about Luke's alignment that makes you think it's possible for me to be his teammate? If it was my vote keep in mind I was traveling that day and wasn't able to get on-line until late in the voting process. Otherwise please clue me in so I have an opportunity to respond.

linki: looks like Canuck already found a game so i wont have to do that later

I am voting no. For people who replaced in like Draconus I don't think it's fair. Plus I just don't want the lynch restricted.

Tranq wrote:

juliets wrote:I parked my vote on the host option because i do not have a decision made as to who I will vote for.

What happened to your sig suspicion?

And why is this in OT?

Several people who know sig convinced me that this is the way sig is and that my read on him was not correct. So I moved my vote from him. Nothing has happened that has made me go back to my original suspicion.

I don't know why I put that in green except for I was writing my reminder about my trip and it just led into explaining why my vote was sitting in the host area. I turned the whole paragraph green.

I found where Luke attempted to answer some questions and no offense to Luke but the answers left a lot to be desired. I'm going to vote for Luke.

Got here early and am going back through today's posts to see if Luke answered any questions. Will vote soon.

Couldn't be happier that we got the Darkness. Losing a win condition is terrible and is probably the most dastardly role LC and BR have ever cooked up. Nutella, as always it was good to play with you again and hope to see you in another game soon.

Just a reminder I will be out of the thread all day today and half the day sunday. I don't know exactly when we'll be arriving at our destination tonight but I'll do my best to vote when we get there if the wi fi is working. I parked my vote on the host option because i do not have a decision made as to who I will vote for.

Epi's point is a good point and like I said, my vote for luke was provisional. I haven't stopped suspecting nutella I just didnt think it could happen today. So I will change my vote to nutella.

I am torn about Luke because he could easily be just an inactive civ like Draconus was asking about or like others have said he could be hiding behind his low posts. Tranq pointed out the few questions Luke asked but there is no digging for info like I would expect from someone who asks questions. There's just not a lot there (though SVS makes a good point that he has posted more than Canuck who voted for him for not being present). Despite some reservations (like this is feeling like a bandwagon) I'm going to go ahead and vote Luke and change my vote if something else comes up that I feel is a better vote.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oops, wrong Dutch. I apologize.

Typhoony

Metalmarsh, what are your reasons for voting Typhoony?

RIPIYWG Turnip Head. I'm sorry you as a player are out so soon. I'll see you back in the Fantasy thread.

I'm voting for non-changeable votes, and Draconus welcome.

I am getting ready to leave for a long trip that will be driving all day Saturday, stopping but after lynch time, and then driving part of the day Sunday. I will have to vote before I go to bed on Friday night to get my vote in. Draconus, welcome.


Glad to have you Draconus, welcome.

Good-bye Tiny and I hope to see you in another game.

I'll have to think about which of these lynch options I prefer. None of them jump out as favorites.

Epi these are not my only posts for Banana but my main reason for voting for him was I found his vote suspicious and I wanted to pressure him to tell me the reason he had voted such. I left my vote there because I continued to be suspicious and he continued to not respond. After he flipped civ I knew my finding his vote suspicious was wrong and thus my vote for him was wrong. I don't comment on everything going on in the game just like many other people and I am not at the keyboard all day every day.

juliets wrote:

juliets wrote:

NANANANANANA_BANANA wrote:I vote for Matt F because he has caused a lot of arguments for no good reason.

Banana, I dont understand. What has he done exactly to cause an argument? What arguments are you talking about?

Banana you were just here but didnt answer my questions so here is a reminder in case you're still around. I persevere when people don't answer my questions so might as well do it now.

I'm going to go ahead and change my vote to nutella from sig. If nutella comes in and convinces me other wise I will move my vote.