The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Well, I guess Zodac didn't get the memo regarding the usefulness of an Elo lynch to the baddie-hunting cause. For all reasons previously outlined, I'm very inclined to vote her again today.

But let's think about the likely outcomes if you vote for me again today. If I'm Fetus, you can't kill me until BWT passes his random search, which is basically a coin flip and a potentially wasted lynch. If I'm Cohen, you'll have wasted a lynch on an almost entirely harmless indie role. If I'm MacGuyver, I'm invincible until Penny dies, so you'll gain no new information from my lynch (unless timmer was Penny, in which case you'll be killing a civ).

So if I were in your shoes, I'd be searching for a better target than me.

So... you are not saying you are a civvie? You are trying to talk us out of lynching you based on probablities?

You're bad, IMO.

Hedgeowl wrote:RIPIYWG juliets! Apologies for forgetting. I honestly haven't been doing that for anyone much this game because I keep forgetting and so many people are being rezzed etc.

I don't know what to make of Booms frustration, but it reminds me of how Russti acted as a baddie in Mario. At the time it really made me think he was a civ and doubt myself. So makes me wonder about Boomer, but not enough to vote him now.

I don't know what to say other than that I legitimately missed the evidence that convinced you. I'll read Nev's quotes more thoroughly when I have time and hopefully get it. But I'm heading out for the rest of the day/evening and need to vote. And I'm going to throw one at Elo, because I think we need to generate some conversation about someone who's essentially an unknown quantity at this point.

S~V~S wrote:You are not listening to what I am saying, Boom. I have said all I plan to on this topic.

But this has kinda shot you way up on my list.

I'm just very frustrated right now. I make a good-faith effort to understand a point that no one will actually tell me, and I'm shot down with a flat "no" and increased suspicion. I went to the place you first used "illuminating," read back until I found FH's explanation, and found it useful. I honestly don't know what else you want from me.

S~V~S wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

timmer wrote:Boomslang, the Nevin thing is a bit subtle, but the host has essentially proven bwt is Meat Boy. Saying bwt isn't cleared just means you aren't paying attention.

Gah, I knew that. Excuse me for getting lost in two threads and exchanging players and the host not updating the player list with the revealed info, like he did for when Lizzy got brought back as Mycroft. Ok, so I was wrong there. The Nevin thing is "subtle." Care to enlighten me?

No. You have to hit me over the head with a brick for me to notice role subtleties~ and I saw it. Read back.

And re my targets, the first time, night one, both of my original targets have since died, and neither came up as a civ. The second they are both alive, one I trust implicitly. The other is on my "?" list, but MP seems to be saying that only one would redirect, so that point is moot.

@Lizzy~I could go with your list. And something good happened for me a while ago, something caused by Bea at that time. It happened again last night

I will be back in tons of time for the poll (9:54 PM my time) and will keep up with the thread during the day (just won't post much at work on phone).

I'm sorry, but I still don't see anything obvious. I see Nev doing decent analysis, getting insanified, and then "yes-manning" the discussion. I also think it's very interesting how Timmer fell into line with you today after you threw the merest hint of a suspicion at him a couple days ago. Agreeing with a confirmed civ is a smart and blendy move.

Timmer "fell in line with me" because I believe he read back and found my point. Search "illuminating" and read back from my post using it.

Alright, I think I get it. Baddie Team 1 tried to kill him, then frame him, and no Baddie Team 2 role has the required protection. But... again, correct me if I'm wrong, but it was FH who brought this up, not you. So again, it's interesting that Timmer didn't bring up FH as the source of the info. Instead, he used a confirmed civvie.

Flyin' High wrote:Thanks for the response, DF.

I checked back on voting records and saw that SD voted two days in row to lynch Epignosis, and one of those days he came close to getting lynched (he had 5 votes to Vomps' 7 votes). So I think it's less likely that she's a Video Game Baddie. She could still be a Manipulator and my original ping had to do with her socks post. So at this point she's still a question mark for me, but I feel better about her not being Creeper or Fetus.

I read back through all of Elohcin's posts. There is so little substance there. The only think I took from it is that she's not Percy because she was very suspicious of BDH and even voted for him.

On to more reading!

*Woah, linki world!*

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Nevinera wrote: linki bwt - if he's even still alive. Folks have been dropping like flies. Or do you think you'd know if he died?

Well MP is still asking me nightly to search for him, so I would assume he's still alive because of that.

Linki: That is true. I still have 2 more lives to spare, and I die when the third one is extinguished. I guess my main concern is that the baddies might try and target me every single night to get rid of me. But even if I were dead and Fetus were still "invulnerable", I would imagine there would either be a way around that or other ways he could die other than being NKed.

Ehhhhh, might as well go ahead and mention it. I only need to find him one more time, and I currently have a 50% chance of finding him every night. So the odds dictate that I should find him on either Night 11 or Night 12.

Thanks for the information! This news is very encouraging. If anything I'd argue it encourages the baddies to look for other targets, as they figure they can't stop you from finding Fetus now. Unless they think you're bluffing about your progress...

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Lizzy wrote:Bea - I trust FH because someone I trust trusts her.
SVS - I know.
Nev - Woohoo! We could have a discussion about Cohen, but getting Creeper is a priority right now. If he randomly explodes, he takes at least one person with him. I wonder if Fetus is already dead or if not, at least lynchable.

At the risk of painting a huge target on my head, I will simply say for now he is not vulnerable, but it is close. I will elaborate more if enough people I feel okay about wish to know.

I'd imagine it's reasonable that you'd get some further info about Fetus, being Meat Boy and such. So why the worry about the target? You have several more lives, no?

Nevinera wrote: What is "yes-manning", by the way?

"Yes-manning" is seeming too agreeable with the general tone of the discussion. For example,
"Oh, I still don't get what's up with bea, but I no longer think she was on rumples team. I'll trust SVS on that assessment," and "Certainly, baddies should come first!" In response to Mongoose and Lizzy, respectively.

S~V~S wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

timmer wrote:Boomslang, the Nevin thing is a bit subtle, but the host has essentially proven bwt is Meat Boy. Saying bwt isn't cleared just means you aren't paying attention.

Gah, I knew that. Excuse me for getting lost in two threads and exchanging players and the host not updating the player list with the revealed info, like he did for when Lizzy got brought back as Mycroft. Ok, so I was wrong there. The Nevin thing is "subtle." Care to enlighten me?

No. You have to hit me over the head with a brick for me to notice role subtleties~ and I saw it. Read back.

And re my targets, the first time, night one, both of my original targets have since died, and neither came up as a civ. The second they are both alive, one I trust implicitly. The other is on my "?" list, but MP seems to be saying that only one would redirect, so that point is moot.

@Lizzy~I could go with your list. And something good happened for me a while ago, something caused by Bea at that time. It happened again last night

I will be back in tons of time for the poll (9:54 PM my time) and will keep up with the thread during the day (just won't post much at work on phone).

I'm sorry, but I still don't see anything obvious. I see Nev doing decent analysis, getting insanified, and then "yes-manning" the discussion. I also think it's very interesting how Timmer fell into line with you today after you threw the merest hint of a suspicion at him a couple days ago. Agreeing with a confirmed civ is a smart and blendy move.

timmer wrote:Boomslang, the Nevin thing is a bit subtle, but the host has essentially proven bwt is Meat Boy. Saying bwt isn't cleared just means you aren't paying attention.

Gah, I knew that. Excuse me for getting lost in two threads and exchanging players and the host not updating the player list with the revealed info, like he did for when Lizzy got brought back as Mycroft. Ok, so I was wrong there. The Nevin thing is "subtle." Care to enlighten me?

Mongoose wrote:^ Is that sarcastic? The orange is throwing me off.

I can neither confirm nor deny these rumors, but you might guess that I wouldn't try to put a serious point in sarcastic orange unless I was being coerced by a certain eldritch entity As far as I can tell, we haven't gotten definitive answers on either Nevin or BWT. Correct me if I've missed something; the multiple thread thing really threw me off.

S~V~S wrote:I have very good reason to trust Bea~ I am not going to vote for her. I am also not voting for Nevin, or Lizzy or BWT. That leaves:

Boomslang, DFaraday, Elohcin, Flyin' High, Hedgeowl, Mongoose, Spacedaisy, Timmer.

Those who are better at explaining why Person X is Role Y than I am (not my Mafia forte) tell me who on that list is likely to be good.

Lizzy is obviously out, and Bea has been a bone of contention for practically the entire game, but why are you discounting Nevin and BWT out of hand? Other than that Nevin agreed with you re: Bea and BWT has made some very impassioned pleas about turning up civ if he gets lynched. You've painted a wide array of targets, so it's interesting to see who you didn't indicate

thellama73 wrote:I admit I was wrong about bea, but I still think it is weird that everyone immediately assumed it was a tie when the votes didn't read that way.

I already said I am not Dr. Fetus, so that destroys one of your points.

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:This is not a discussion of you.

Everything is a discussion of me. There are just varying levels of tangents.

BigDamnHero wrote:

timmer wrote:B D H I think
You seem pretty up in arms
About the spotlight

I love the spotlight....don't care so much about the being lied about part, though. Especially when it comes to non-game related matters which have absolutely ZERO chance of being countermanded in any way. Unless MP wants to step in (and I really wish he would, though I understand why he might not to), there's really no way of me to prove what Nev says is 100% completely false except to refer you to my previous post where I profess that no wrongdoings have taken place. NONE of Nev's theories would be in play had I not revealed my REAL LIFE connection to Bea. So yeah, it's bordering on personal here.

BigDamnHero wrote:@Fh: I'm st work on ohine so hafta make thus quick...it's not just her role hints. I have outside access that no other player does. Evryone's gotta trust me on this: BEA IS A CIV.

thellama73 wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:I think SVS has a point, it does seem like so many people dropped their suspicion of llama rather quickly after Nevin and DH posted their analysis.

Doesn't that say more about them than me?

thellama73 wrote:What are people's thoughts on Bea's behavior yesterday? Typically, when people seem so desperate to be lynched, I am n favor of granting their wish.

bea wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Bea is not on the lynch poll,
Da'fuck's the point in begging for her death-toll?
Part of me is confused,
The other is slightly amused.

I completley didn't see I wasn't on the poll.

for the love of god, civ protecter - please please please protect me tonight so I can be lynched tomorrow.

I swear. I SWEAR. My lynch gives civs more info than my NK does.

Epignosis wrote:When I was The Exaggerator, I used my role to craft paranoia. You cannot use such a role to help a teammate.

Nevinera wrote:

BigDamnHero wrote: Well SHITAKE...what more can I say? My statement is the truth whether you choose to believe me or not. Obviously u don't & that's your fungai perogative, I guess.

That is an interesting claim you appear to be not quite making there.

Vompatti wrote:Voted for gleam because I don't think he'd mind being lynched if you know what I mean.

Also, if you read back and consider all the facts that have been presented, you will find that I'm probably a civvie.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:There is nothig to defend.

Bullzeye wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Sorry for more big posts. Just musing for now.

I also think it's weird the modkill last night didn't even to deflect to the person with the second most votes. Dom was on the poll, but got no votes. Unless MP has a beef with Dom (which I very much doubt), it got deflected to a random player on the poll.

I think we've caught a baddie BWT. Someone let me know if I'm getting tunnel vision on that though. However, if DP really is Zodac, he's probably an even bigger priority for now. And I think Elo and bea should be covered.

Exactly, I think cost-benefit analysis on that one is much more Pro. Meaning DP. I went through about 5 or 6 different theories yesterday (and I like yours above a lot too) and more of them are nefarious for DP than innocuous.

Since Bob is dead, is it still as important we spread out the vote? I sincerely want to know.

Bob's recruit can still kill if they don't get a vote. Personally I don't know how much spreading the vote can help, if it's spread out too far and we don't see a recruit kill tonight then we've still not learned anything. Also it's possible they might be allowed to choose not to kill anyone, thereby framing someone who did get a vote even if they didn't.

Mongoose wrote:Would that night poll count as an NK? The only thing that worries me is he could be:

• Trusty John - [Grimm's Fairy Tales] – Is always valiant and has the Kingdom's best interest at heart. The first time he is targeted for a NK, he will survive and there will be two days in a row. The second time he dies.

I guess we will see if there are two days in a row, which is the only real thing staying my hand at this point.

Bullzeye wrote:

BigDamnHero wrote:is there anything really left to say? DP already has the majority of the votes. It'd take a miracle to save him at this point (cuz from what I've read I don't see an ability to stop lynches that occur at night).

We don't know that this is definitely a lynch. I understood it as DP will receive some kind of punishment, but not necessarily be killed. Was I the only one who took it that way?