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NAA/Vivax is still alive.Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:51 pmYou say you don't feel better about three living players and a dead one. But do you feel worse about any of them?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:28 pmI don't feel any better about G-Man, I don't feel any better about Scotty, I don't think I feel any better about NAA/Vivax (and the propensity for Mafia to be substitute-priority doesn't help here)Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:26 pmI am asking explicitly because I want to talk about your reads with you. I don’t need fully detailed ISOs. I just want to see what progress has been made.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:24 pmNobody would read them if I did anyway so who caresSloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:23 pmHave any of your reads developed since you shared all your work on Day 1?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
Other than that I don't really care/don't have anything of substance to offer.
Interesting dichotomy here.Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:35 pm I think this is an easy vote. [VOTE: Lorab] aubergine has not only been unhelpful, she has had no shame in telling us she has been and will be unhelpful.
Linki: I definitely disagree. I think sheeping is lazy mafia play and you could be unknowingly following a baddie. I encourage everyone to read for themselves and make their own decisions. It's like going to the doctor and taking a medication they prescribe without reading up on it first. You may fuck yourself up in all kinds of ways bc of your blind trust. Nuh-uh. Sheeping is a no no in my book.
Ah yes but I'm the one "posting and saying nothing"G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:03 pm Vanishing for most of the phase was not my intention. Here is a short version of what I have so far:
Several tiers based on participation-
Big Talk- Scotty, Sloonei, Golden coward, DH- I would be shocked if there wasn’t a baddie in that group. Maybe two, but lots of productive chatter for the most part.
Llama in a tier of his own, but I still feel loose llama is good llama.
VivAxe or Viv2.0, Eloh, Michelle, Quin- mixed bag here. Eloh was sussed yesterday, Viv2.0 is a reset and still murky on D1 NAA read, Michelle feels most ambiguous (her posts didn’t make any impression on me), and same goes for Quin. These folks are at radar-level. I need to ISO to see if I detected a skimmer.
Kate, sig, Bea, Wilgy- 1/2 seem off the table today and the sig is less memorable that Wilgy licking everything in sight. Under the radar crew- also need ISOs to find manufactured content.
G-Man, LoRab, DF- low posters. Not ideal to find myself in that camp that must be ‘dealt with’ before too long. I saw points about LR’s evasiveness but I’m not exactly one to harp on that without being a hypocrite just yet. DF… just needs to show up for the weekend and get some content before he becomes an afterthought to everything happening in the present.
I will try to speed read the day and make a vote after I get back from wife’s birthday dinner.
Too many null reads for me right now- not a good look. Need to get my head back in the game and sort out some townclears to help my poe.
I think this might be the funniest thing I've read all day.
I don't think your suspicion of me is "a bit", I think the funny part is that you've said I've done things that I've proven I haven't done.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:55 pmI wanted you to not call my suspicion of you 'a bit' tbh, and for the rest you can do whatever you want. You're not obligated to act in a way that doesn't raise my suspicion of you.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:51 pmIn all earnestness what do you want me to do? He's not responded to my initial points against him so the conversation is dead. He's barely posted anything else to examine so I can't do that.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:48 pmI'll just finish by saying that this is 'not forgetting my suspicion exists' in the same way that DF hasn't forgotten this thread exists and leave it there, because I'm getting steamed.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:36 pmDont mind me just forgetting my G-Man suspicion exists lmao I'm so crazy.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:19 am Genuinely haven't read much recently, did G-Man ever address anything I said or is he suffering the same "I can't see DH's posts" affliction that sig was?
Which of my posts haven't you read that drew you to this conclusion?thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:51 pmHonestly, it wouldn't surprise me at all if DH is mafia, so I approve of you bringing attention to him. Maybe I'll even vote with you if you're nice to me.
In all earnestness what do you want me to do? He's not responded to my initial points against him so the conversation is dead. He's barely posted anything else to examine so I can't do that.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:48 pmI'll just finish by saying that this is 'not forgetting my suspicion exists' in the same way that DF hasn't forgotten this thread exists and leave it there, because I'm getting steamed.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:36 pmDont mind me just forgetting my G-Man suspicion exists lmao I'm so crazy.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:19 am Genuinely haven't read much recently, did G-Man ever address anything I said or is he suffering the same "I can't see DH's posts" affliction that sig was?
Dont mind me just forgetting my G-Man suspicion exists lmao I'm so crazy.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:19 am Genuinely haven't read much recently, did G-Man ever address anything I said or is he suffering the same "I can't see DH's posts" affliction that sig was?
I don't know why you would say provably untrue things about my posts and use them to justify votes/suspicions against me and then expect to be able to walk away without push back, but I do find it very funny.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:31 pmI've made a vow to myself not to be wound up and have circular conversations like I used to easily get to in the past. They're unproductive, they're circular, and not fun for others. I don't want to be *that* Golden any more.
I'm not tunnelling on you, I've spent quite enough bandwidth talking about you, and I have other things to say and talk about.
God I hate when audience members interrupt the comedian on stage to do a bit.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:30 pmThat’s fair. His Day 2 attitude does seem to just be obstinate.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:22 pmHe fixated on you all freaking day until the isos. I liked the logic for his suspicion on the iso, and he did make the list of five that suddenly had G-Man at the top long enough to vote G-Man and not you...Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:20 pmthanks, keep that healthy suspicion on me.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pmI don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:10 pmYes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.
Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.
I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.
I just rechecked DH’s ISO parade from yesterday and found his progression actually much smoother and logical than I remember. He does express the most suspicion on GMan, with some others sprinkled in. He even added his list of 5 people he would be willing to vote towards end of day, with GMan at the top.
Now, Elo was also on that list, and he didn’t go near that wagon and was fine standing pat on a vanity wagon, so that’s not the greatest look. But his suspicion progression isn’t out of nowhere
And promptly seems to have forgotten his suspicion on G-Man ever existed.
His day one didn't ping me. His day two is what pings me.
I think asking where his GMan suspicion is fair.
I could even unironically see a DH/GMan pairing even though I have GMan as a Townread. GMan was never taking off as a wagon yesterday.
I don't feel any better about G-Man, I don't feel any better about Scotty, I don't think I feel any better about NAA/Vivax (and the propensity for Mafia to be substitute-priority doesn't help here)Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:26 pmI am asking explicitly because I want to talk about your reads with you. I don’t need fully detailed ISOs. I just want to see what progress has been made.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:24 pmNobody would read them if I did anyway so who caresSloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:23 pmHave any of your reads developed since you shared all your work on Day 1?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
Nobody would read them if I did anyway so who caresSloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:23 pmHave any of your reads developed since you shared all your work on Day 1?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
Are you doing a bitGolden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:22 pmHe fixated on you all freaking day until the isos. I liked the logic for his suspicion on the iso, and he did make the list of five that suddenly had G-Man at the top long enough to vote G-Man and not you...Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:20 pmthanks, keep that healthy suspicion on me.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pmI don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:10 pmYes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.
Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.
I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.
I just rechecked DH’s ISO parade from yesterday and found his progression actually much smoother and logical than I remember. He does express the most suspicion on GMan, with some others sprinkled in. He even added his list of 5 people he would be willing to vote towards end of day, with GMan at the top.
Now, Elo was also on that list, and he didn’t go near that wagon and was fine standing pat on a vanity wagon, so that’s not the greatest look. But his suspicion progression isn’t out of nowhere
And promptly seems to have forgotten his suspicion on G-Man ever existed.
His day one didn't ping me. His day two is what pings me.
THANK FUCKScotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:20 pmthanks, keep that healthy suspicion on me.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pmI don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:10 pmYes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.
Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.
I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.
I just rechecked DH’s ISO parade from yesterday and found his progression actually much smoother and logical than I remember. He does express the most suspicion on GMan, with some others sprinkled in. He even added his list of 5 people he would be willing to vote towards end of day, with GMan at the top.
Now, Elo was also on that list, and he didn’t go near that wagon and was fine standing pat on a vanity wagon, so that’s not the greatest look. But his suspicion progression isn’t out of nowhere
No it doesn't because I read G-Man as bad and voted for him and repeatedly asked him to address my suspicions and he wouldn't.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pmI don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:10 pmYes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.
Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.
I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.
I semi-solved the FEB secrets and nobody cared :PGolden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pmI don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:10 pmYes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.
Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.
I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.
I don't think its alignment indicative unless you consider that if I am SK or Mafia I tend to dig my teeth into the game more than if I am CIV vis-a-vis mechanics and I also tend not to put my foot in my mouth and I also tend not to do anything to draw an unnecessary amount of attention to myself.
Yes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
What wasn't clear about me explicitly saying what I thought about the people I took the time to read?Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 1:06 amI’m still up for some reason.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:54 amHe has not ruffled my feathers yet. I admittedly have not taken any time to focus on any players in particular this game. Nearly all of my activity has been sitting around and engaging with the thread in real time.
I expect to fix that tomorrow afternoon.
One thing I want to address is his ‘thorough’ reads of each player- the ones where he summarized every player’s narrative and put it in spoilers? In the moment it looks dandy, but at the end of it, I didn’t get a clear picture oh what conclusions he drew from it. It was as if he was just stenciling a Monet and presented it as his own art.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:26 pmI see. And how has that ass moved, exactly?
I side with Golden in this kerfuffle, and not just because that was my predisposition. DH's objections feel arbitrary and/or to be missing the mark. That does not need to mean that he is mafia though.Spoiler: show
While I'm talking about DH, I want to revisit a point that Scotty made yesterday. DH spent some time ISOing everybody on Day 1. And while that work is appreciated, and he came out of it with reads, I do not feel as though he has had much momentum in pursuing those reads since. There has not been much, if any, follow through on the work he started.
The rules seemed simple enough to meScotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:50 pmNot really. To the same degree that I would expect mafia to play with the same level of activity they’ve already played with.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:48 am Anyone think that its worth noting that only a handful of people participated in the Prog thing and that mafia would be more incentivized to do that
I’m more perplexed by the amount of people that seem to have admitted submitting a song and either didn’t follow the rules or just didn’t get judged for whatever reason
Shot/Chaserthellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:38 am You know what, I changed my mind. [VOTE: Quin] aubergine
thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:29 amOkay. [VOTE: Lorab] aubergineScotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 9:59 pmLet’s put some pressure on them then.thellama73 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 9:57 pmThis is my contention, and part of why I think they are taking it easy right now.
Vote LoRab with me. She says she is going to post more, and we’re now less than half the day left, and she won’t give reads.
Or vote Quin, who is content to just shrug about everything.
I note that Quin has also voted Lorab. Bussing would not surprise me if she flips bad.
I dunno quite yet. Maybe nothing, who knows.Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:22 amAnd what do you have for us today?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:54 am Yes I know he meant "lack" of substance, no I don't think its fair to say I lacked substance Day 1 when I've repeatedly had to point out that I sparked both the Eloh and Scotty discussions, and then offered substantial thoughts and reads on literally every active player.
Well I mean in a world where I could, it would be because I could.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:46 amLol!DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:42 am As to why I'd be on him *today*, over say G-Man
Because I can.
(DH, whatever your alignment, I love playing with you. It takes balls to give the answer of 'because I can' when Scotty is literally not on the poll so you literally can't!)
I feel like the answer to that question is in the substance that I posted that I seem to be lacking according to some people.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:38 amYou had, perhaps short of a fixation, but certainly a focus on scotty on day one. He was in your baddie mix after you did isos, but ultimately you went with G-Man. What made you choose G-Man over Scotty yesterday, and why do you feel like that's swapped over today?
Okay.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:08 amI vote for people for a number of reasons. One of them is ‘to assist me in getting a read on someone’.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:03 am So what does "troubles me" mean and do you normally vote for people you don't think are bad?
And ‘troubles me’ means ‘troubles me’. It’s not a read, it’s an emotional/gut unease.
There we goDharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:07 am Troubles you? Troubles you how? Like, I'm troubling? I trouble you? Like I'm some kind of clown? I'm here to trouble you?
Because in the absence of meaning any meaning can be interjected by a skilled tactician. Thank you for both proving my point and complimenting me.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:58 amIf it means nothing how did you manage to frame it up to mean something else that I didn’t say?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:55 amNo I meant that your post literally means nothing. You said nothing there. "You're imitating yourself" and "Because I don't think you're town, I can't not think you're bad"Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:53 amYou think i should consider it NAI?
Nothing.
Also, its NAI.
No I meant that your post literally means nothing. You said nothing there. "You're imitating yourself" and "Because I don't think you're town, I can't not think you're bad"Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:53 amYou think i should consider it NAI?
