Matt wrote:Yeah I understand. All I can is derp a derp. I think you are misinterpreting things that may look like teammate behavior but really isn't. But again, derp a derp.
MM - If ya all kill me tonight now that I have dropped suss of you (for the temporary time being), I'm gonna be a saaaad panda.
If it were one thing I could understand maybe I'm misreading or misinterpreting. However, It's a big fuckin' stack of evidence at this point. As an exercise, if you can explain these things to me in a way that doesn't show that Wilgy and Sorsha are teammates, I'd love to hear it:
***As I started this post I quickly realized it became another precise case building post RE: Sorsha, so if you want to address that also, go ahead***
Particularly in the face of these posts:
Sorsha wrote:DrWilgy wrote:DharmaHelper wrote:DrWilgy wrote:DharmaHelper wrote:DrWilgy wrote:DharmaHelper wrote:Wilgy confirmed mafia RIP
Why does this confirm me as mafia DH?
Also... Boomslang why?
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Because it does. RIP.
Pretty massive fucking coincidence the Boomtrain came out of nowhere to save ya aint it RIP tell your team I said RIP
DH, you realize what you are saying don't you? If the boomtrain is a thing, then it consisted of two players trying to lynch a baddie and survive, Sorsha, and someone who left his vote there for a half day.
Wow... I believed you were civ and tried to help you and now you're going to try to flip this on me?
Sorsha wrote:So... I'm not bad you guys. I believed wilgy was good and I thought mm was telling the truth about being neutral. I still think something weird is up with booms flip, even if I'm wrong about it and that was his role it doesn't make me bad, just wrong about him. I've been wrong about a lot of players this game and none of you civs can say that you haven't been either. We have lynched one baddie, at least I was right about that one
Today I'm not so sure about wilgy or mm....
the way wilgy pounced on the boom vote after me and then turned on me after the lynch I had just tried helping him in makes me feel like trusting him was wrong. If he wanted to save himself he could have just kept his vote on mm.
I'll have to go back and see what his reasoning was for switching there.
Now, my problem with these posts in particular is, as I've already explained, the post made by Wilgy in no way implicated Sorsha. It named her among the people that voted for Boomslang, sure, but it did not in any way indicate that Wilgy had negative feelings as to Sorsha's alignment. In context, that first quote is clearly distancing/bussing. If there were a mafia textbook, that would be Figure 1-A under the vocabulary term "Bus" and Figure 1-A under the vocabulary word "Distancing". There is no civ reason to react to THAT post in THAT way. It reads completely contrived.
And the second quote: Sorsha expresses reservations as to Wilgy, but does not at all follow through with any of them. Hollow suspicions this late in the game? Distancing.
When I confronted Sorsha with Wilgy's *obviously fabricated and completely bad* case against me, this was her response.
Sorsha wrote:What about it DH? I remember you bringing up my name earlier in that game, I don't remember for what exactly without checking though.
I don't think you are Draco's teammate... I don't know what you want me to say about that post really. You'll just throw it back in my face and call me bad anyway.
I'm not 100% sure wilgy is good. If I had picked between mm and wilgy yesterday it would have been wilgy but I feel like they are both civ so I went with boom. I had no idea wilgy was going to switch (and whoever else did).
I'm out at dinner now so I don't know if ill be back anytime soon.
Explain to me how that makes sense in a civvie context. Explain to me how:
A civvie would ignore a damning piece of evidence against someone they were accused of being teammates with
A civvie would refuse to offer even any opinion on the case on the grounds of "You'll just call me bad"
And another question: Sorsha claims if she had to pick between MM or Wilgy she would have voted Wilgy, but she feels (or at least according to her) felt Wilgy was civ? So is she or isn't she suspicious of Wilgy? As Rico pointed out, Wilgy was calling for help right as Sorsha placed her vote.
I'm legitimately asking you Matt to explain to me how I may have misinterpreted the distancing, the group voting, the inconsistency in how they do or do not suspect each other.
