The Syndicate

FZ. wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Who do you think is Light FZ? Who do you think is Mikami?

I have no idea. I don't care Epi thinks a detective is supposed to follow every change and secret in the game. I'm just regarding it as baddies vs. civvies. The only thing that I'm not ignoring in terms of theme, is the roles that can't be lynched. If Mata can't be lynched today, I will not vote there even if I think she's bad. Other than that, I'm playing with no who's who. I want to find a lynchable baddie this day.

So who do I think is bad? n
I think Bass' last post looks like a baddie who feels like we're going to be disappointed in him, so he's saying he didn't mean what we thought he meant. So I think we should probably vote for him this day.

Then, I have no idea what to do with BR. I feel like she hasn't been herself the entire game, but now she has RL issues and she can't really defend herself.

And then, there are Epi, Boo and llama, who at some points really concern me, and then at others, I feel better about them.
I don't think Spaceydaisy is bad, and I don't think DH is either. Zeek seems pretty okay to me, and with Rico, I'm trying to see your suspicions, but it's not happening for me. Can you please give a succinct list of reasons why you think he's bad?

Whats that n?


I think my vote will go on Bass unless someone convinces me otherwise.

Matahari wrote:I have a theory about the shinigamis, especially Sidoh. I'm thinking that if they don't get voted twice, they win. They can't die, so what kind of incentive do they actually have to be helpful? With Sidoh being an indy, I think it doesn't stand to reason that he can win with the detectives or some such. I believe he only needs to convince the detectives he is working for them, and prevent his second lynch, and he wins. Hopefully you survivors will make sure that all shinigami suspects will receive second lynches after I'm gone.

I'm probably going to vote a shinigami.

Matahari wrote:I have a theory about the shinigamis, especially Sidoh. I'm thinking that if they don't get voted twice, they win. They can't die, so what kind of incentive do they actually have to be helpful? With Sidoh being an indy, I think it doesn't stand to reason that he can win with the detectives or some such. I believe he only needs to convince the detectives he is working for them, and prevent his second lynch, and he wins. Hopefully you survivors will make sure that all shinigami suspects will receive second lynches after I'm gone.

I'm probably going to vote a shinigami.

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I AM SKAZGAAR KING OF THE FROG PEOPLE

SKAZGAAR

Would you lynch spacedaisy?

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Epi which sounds better:

Ohm, Director of COSINE

or

[My Characters Real Name], Director of COSINE

You shouldn't be worrying about that until you can tag things properly.[/ot]

DharmaHelper wrote:Epi which sounds better:

Ohm, Director of COSINE

or

[My Characters Real Name], Director of COSINE

Ricochet wrote:EBWOP: By lynched, I obviously mean just that she was the lynch target.

zeek wrote:Caught up. I am satisfied with FZ given the lynch fail and would like to move on. (Any ideas how long we should wait to lynch Mata now we're in another day period?)

I'm interested in reviewing BR, Bass and boo. And back to work I go

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Mikami gains BTSC with Takada only once he has started killing. If Takada is deceased at that time, Mikami will not be able to contact anyone, but god (Light) will be made aware of his true identity.

This is getting humiliating for me.

This is only relevant if Mikami starts killing, fyi.

Mikami gains BTSC with Takada only once he has started killing. If Takada is deceased at that time, Mikami will not be able to contact anyone, but god (Light) will be made aware of his true identity.

Ricochet wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I do think looking at Epignosis is a great place to start for finding Higuchi, but personally I'm not convinced yet that Higuchi has even got his Death Note. If Mata or FZ passed a Death Note to Higuchi, we will become aware of it very soon through the phone call, but it hasn't happened yet, so Higuchi hunting might still be a bit premature. That said, I'm not sure which Kira would be the best to specifically look for today, other than Mikami, who's always a good bet to die.

I think it's time to start talking about Black Rock. In my opinion she's been neglecting this game to the point where I'm officially uncomfortable about her allegiance. I think she would be much more involved if she's a detective, but even if she's a Sympathizer I think she would be posting more because she would have more of a handle on the game, so this makes me think she is Yotsuba. It seems to me that BR doesn't much care to be involved in the discussions, maybe she doesn't care which way the lynch ultimately swings, and that seems to fit Yotsuba's goals more than the other factions. There's only one Yotsuba we need dead though, and like I said, that role still might be unkillable. But I'm curious to hear what people think of her.

I thought you thought FZ. was detective.

What do you think of my idea that Mata could potentially be Higuchi? I mean, I can guess what you think she is instead, but still: 50-50 chance, if L's read on her is truthful.

linki: huh? Where does it say Light can accept the Eye Deal?

Turnip Head wrote:DH, I remember you saying that Kira should have killed BR on the night they killed Zomberella unless they knew who BR was. Given that Metalmarsh and Co. seemed to know that Boomslang would show up as Watari - which is my working theory for why they wanted Mikami to kill himself yesterday, to make it two nights instead of two lynches - what do you think of the possibility that one of their Kiras took the Shinigami Eye Deal? I think they might have role-checked Black Rock and Zomberella together that night, and decided that BR's role wasn't worth killing. That could point to her not being a detective.

Turnip Head wrote:I do think looking at Epignosis is a great place to start for finding Higuchi, but personally I'm not convinced yet that Higuchi has even got his Death Note. If Mata or FZ passed a Death Note to Higuchi, we will become aware of it very soon through the phone call, but it hasn't happened yet, so Higuchi hunting might still be a bit premature. That said, I'm not sure which Kira would be the best to specifically look for today, other than Mikami, who's always a good bet to die.

I think it's time to start talking about Black Rock. In my opinion she's been neglecting this game to the point where I'm officially uncomfortable about her allegiance. I think she would be much more involved if she's a detective, but even if she's a Sympathizer I think she would be posting more because she would have more of a handle on the game, so this makes me think she is Yotsuba. It seems to me that BR doesn't much care to be involved in the discussions, maybe she doesn't care which way the lynch ultimately swings, and that seems to fit Yotsuba's goals more than the other factions. There's only one Yotsuba we need dead though, and like I said, that role still might be unkillable. But I'm curious to hear what people think of her.

boo wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

boo wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

But there aren't a lot of possibilities for your role now that you've survived a lynch, and you seemed to have prior knowledge about when the NK would take place, and who would be killed (and it seems to me like you already knew their role, which means you've taken the eye deal I think).

Boo can you elaborate on this?

What part of it?

Everything bolded and underlined.

Ya.

During the last lynch, right before the kill:

FZ. wrote:I just want to remind you all, that we haven't had a NK yet and I don't know when it's going to come, but if a certain role is killed, it could have a big effect on the lynch as well.

The NK was 4 minutes later. Boomslang (Watari, obviously) being lynched, did have a big result, it caused two straight lynches. So it seems to me like FZ knew that was coming. She was also already pushing lynch discussion for the next lynch after Boomslang died, which makes me think she knew this would be the follow up.

Or she was set up, and played right into it and the actual Boomslang killer is just sitting back and enjoying watching it happen.

Which is WIFOM, but I don't think, in this situation, it's a back and forth I have to go through a lot.

thellama73 wrote:Question for everyone who's not a Shinigami: does TH voting for me because I didn't succumb to his ridiculous threats sound like genuine baddie hunting?

Turnip Head wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I would like everyone to take note of FZ and TH's transparent sham attacks on me. TH demanded I name new suspects, immediately. If I don't, he reasons, I must be bad. FZ helpfully piles on.

This is one of those "Have you stopped beating your wife?" kind of questions. If I comply, I look opportunistic and desperate to get the spotlight off myself. If I refuse, I look uncooperative, despite the fact that me naming names proves nothing. A baddie could easily spit out two or three suspects at will.

These are not real attacks based on evidence. They are just petty attempts to set me up.

You could share your thoughts though.

I believe I just did.

So your additional suspects are "FZ and TH."

To be fair he did just make a post about Epi being Higuchi :P

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I would like everyone to take note of FZ and TH's transparent sham attacks on me. TH demanded I name new suspects, immediately. If I don't, he reasons, I must be bad. FZ helpfully piles on.

This is one of those "Have you stopped beating your wife?" kind of questions. If I comply, I look opportunistic and desperate to get the spotlight off myself. If I refuse, I look uncooperative, despite the fact that me naming names proves nothing. A baddie could easily spit out two or three suspects at will.

These are not real attacks based on evidence. They are just petty attempts to set me up.

You could share your thoughts though.

I believe I just did.

thellama73 wrote:I would like everyone to take note of FZ and TH's transparent sham attacks on me. TH demanded I name new suspects, immediately. If I don't, he reasons, I must be bad. FZ helpfully piles on.

This is one of those "Have you stopped beating your wife?" kind of questions. If I comply, I look opportunistic and desperate to get the spotlight off myself. If I refuse, I look uncooperative, despite the fact that me naming names proves nothing. A baddie could easily spit out two or three suspects at will.

These are not real attacks based on evidence. They are just petty attempts to set me up.

boo wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

But there aren't a lot of possibilities for your role now that you've survived a lynch, and you seemed to have prior knowledge about when the NK would take place, and who would be killed (and it seems to me like you already knew their role, which means you've taken the eye deal I think).

Boo can you elaborate on this?

What part of it?

But there aren't a lot of possibilities for your role now that you've survived a lynch, and you seemed to have prior knowledge about when the NK would take place, and who would be killed (and it seems to me like you already knew their role, which means you've taken the eye deal I think).

thellama73 wrote:There is one player in the game has practically been screaming "I am Higuchi" since day one. His name is Robert, but round these parts he goes by Epignosis.
The evidence against FZ still exists, and I still find it persuasive. If she were Light, that fits.
The thing that made me think she was lying in her defense was how adamant it was, which I would not have done if I had been an unlynchable civ. Having to relinquish the death note to save herself explains this.

It all fits. It's very elegant.

Epignosis wrote:This game FINALLY got interesting.

thellama73 wrote:Turnip Head, I was obviously referring to the person who sent in the kill, the current Kira. I have no information on who that person may or may not have BTSC with. It was not a slip. Go nettle someone else, Shinigami, it grows tiresome.

linki: call it all you want. See who listens. I don't take my orders from you.

Turnip Head wrote:I want to bring this to everyone's attention:

Turnip Head wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Speculation requires a statement. I just asked a question. However, there is exactly one person in this game who knew at what time Boomslang would be killed.

Uh... there could be up to 4 people who knew exactly when Boomslang would be killed. Are you saying you know that the current Kira is working alone? Why did you not share this information sooner? Is this a slip-up?

I don't understand what you think FZ would have to gain by saying anything about it if she knew it would happen.

Llama only responded to the second half of my post, bypassing completely my insinuation that he slipped up:

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote: I don't understand what you think FZ would have to gain by saying anything about it if she knew it would happen.

I don't know. I just think it's weird.

boo wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

boo wrote:Alright, does this mean what I think it means?

FZ seems to have seen that coming. She's Light, gave up the note to Higuchi so she wouldn't be lynched, but now Higuchi can be.

Now, if you're anything like me, Epi has been the obvious Higuchi for most of the game, and he has tried to take cover behind making it look like he's just a regular Yotsuba. I do not believe he's a regular Yotsuba (and even if he is, for me, that's not a loss, which I hope I've made clear by this point).

So... Epi already thought FZ was probably Light, and was pushing for her lynch to make her give up the note, so that he could get it?

Are there any other good Higuchi candidates? Anyone who has previously survived an attempt (that isn't FZ, if we're working under the assumption she's Light, which I can accept and work into other things I believe) is a candidate, but I don't think it is any of them.

My read of Epi is that everything he's done has been driven by a desire not to be lynched or Nked. If he was Higuchi and thought that FZ was Light, it would be the last thing he'd want to do to get her lynched. Because he'd be invincible without his DN.

What about winning though? Does it make sense that Higuchi could be an unkillable role the entire game and win?

boo wrote:Alright, does this mean what I think it means?

FZ seems to have seen that coming. She's Light, gave up the note to Higuchi so she wouldn't be lynched, but now Higuchi can be.

Now, if you're anything like me, Epi has been the obvious Higuchi for most of the game, and he has tried to take cover behind making it look like he's just a regular Yotsuba. I do not believe he's a regular Yotsuba (and even if he is, for me, that's not a loss, which I hope I've made clear by this point).

So... Epi already thought FZ was probably Light, and was pushing for her lynch to make her give up the note, so that he could get it?

Are there any other good Higuchi candidates? Anyone who has previously survived an attempt (that isn't FZ, if we're working under the assumption she's Light, which I can accept and work into other things I believe) is a candidate, but I don't think it is any of them.

boo wrote:Alright, does this mean what I think it means?

FZ seems to have seen that coming. She's Light, gave up the note to Higuchi so she wouldn't be lynched, but now Higuchi can be.

Now, if you're anything like me, Epi has been the obvious Higuchi for most of the game, and he has tried to take cover behind making it look like he's just a regular Yotsuba. I do not believe he's a regular Yotsuba (and even if he is, for me, that's not a loss, which I hope I've made clear by this point).

So... Epi already thought FZ was probably Light, and was pushing for her lynch to make her give up the note, so that he could get it?

Are there any other good Higuchi candidates? Anyone who has previously survived an attempt (that isn't FZ, if we're working under the assumption she's Light, which I can accept and work into other things I believe) is a candidate, but I don't think it is any of them.

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Who would you guys like me to lead you towards? There are so many good options.

Now I know you're just bullshitting.

It takes you until Day 10 to figure that out?

Doesn't make him bad.

FZ. wrote:Do we have a blocker or a role that can save at night? I can't read all the roles again

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:We continue to lynch the unlynchable, Kira continues to kill the killable.

You can try convincing people instead of browbeating if you believe we are wrong.

boo wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Bass's third "suspect", llama, has vanished from his radar, replaced by yet another unlynchable (and in this case pretty much confirmed) baddie. Is there a reason for that? Does that make sense?

sorry but like said before I wasnt really paying attention when I made that list.

You're here. You're posting. Address this:

At one point, you agreed with TH's suspicion of MM. Fine, good.

And then you identified your top three suspects as:

TH
MM
llama

*In that order*. Which tells me you are a liar. If you actually agreed with TH that MM was suspect, it would make more sense for MM to be at the top of your list, followed by TH. That you (consciously or otherwsie) ordered your list the way you did makes me certain that you were just throwing names up. No detective would do that, no matter how far behind they were.

I wanted to put MM and TH together at one and two. TH did make good points about MM . But the more I thought about it the more I was having trouble trusting either at the time.

Isn't this also an idea you suggested DH, that TH and MM were being absurd in thread because they're both baddie shingami who aren't worried and are doing some weird kind of distancing?

Bass doesn't seem to be putting it the same way, but it sounds like the same argument to me. And if there's one person who wouldn't know you already brought it up, Bass would be a strong contender (if he's being honest about how little he's kept caught up, but who knows?).

ugh, linki , you people interrupt me to much.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Bass's third "suspect", llama, has vanished from his radar, replaced by yet another unlynchable (and in this case pretty much confirmed) baddie. Is there a reason for that? Does that make sense?

sorry but like said before I wasnt really paying attention when I made that list.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Bass's third "suspect", llama, has vanished from his radar, replaced by yet another unlynchable (and in this case pretty much confirmed) baddie. Is there a reason for that? Does that make sense?

sorry but like said before I wasnt really paying attention when I made that list.

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote: I don't understand what you think FZ would have to gain by saying anything about it if she knew it would happen.

I don't know. I just think it's weird.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:You had time to catch up Bass, okay, but you didn't respond to any of the suspicion against you. How is that supposed to make people feel about you?

it was all the same suspicious . It was because people felt I was laying low and not paying attention. The latter was true because of RL I wasn't trying to lay low. If there is something I miss I would be glad to address it.

thellama73 wrote:Does anyone else think it's weird that FZ's comment about the night kill came less than four minutes before the night kill? Coincidence?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Im going to go ahead and vote FZ. I agree that its odd that she is defending so hard if she is going to survive. My top suspect is mata but we can't lynch her today.

RIP Boom

To recap:

1) I suspect Bass because he is not putting forth an honest effort. He is parroting people's suspicions, going for easy votes, and his own list of suspects indicate a disinterest in actually helping the detectives

2) I confront Bass about this, the sum total of his response being "Yeah I guess so."

3) He does the same exact god damn thing.

Ok so you are voting me because when I finally had time to catch up everything has been said about the people I find suspicious?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Im going to go ahead and vote FZ. I agree that its odd that she is defending so hard if she is going to survive. My top suspect is mata but we can't lynch her today.

RIP Boom