The Syndicate

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Hey everyone , wow 7 pages in night zero. I'm voting for the only role I recognize.

You played Death Note but don't recognize Watari?

Let me see if I can cover what I said with any level of efficacy.

1. I find the discussion around RadicalFuzz more suspicious than RadicalFuzz. Seems like an easy place to start a train and place a copout Day 0 vote.

2. I don't think LoRab is suspicious, and I don't think the argument that her posts are "careful/crafted" holds up. I can see the thought process behind it, I just don't think it is solid.

3. I questioned Golden at one point regarding why he would trust Mac's gut if he finds Mac to be suspicious.

4. I slammed Rico some more regarding his rainbow list, and I posited to Golden that the purpose of the list and Rico's general behavior was in an attempt to look civvier than he is and to hide behind humor, basically.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Long Con wrote:Oh. Well, that is pretty crappy for those of us whose speakers are currently dead... or for people on phones with no headphones... or for people playing in church... or about a thousand other reasons why listening to audio can complicate things for people.

Seems like a real pickle.

On a serious note, I can reiterate anything you need me to reiterate in text.

Ricochet wrote:I don't understand why people would want to keep me around, with such a personality? We could be in here for a month. That sounds like a terrible idea, having me around for that long.

In fact, why wouldn't they rather want to keep DH around for his personality, always making such lucid, thoughtful contributions?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Long Con wrote:Oh. Well, that is pretty crappy for those of us whose speakers are currently dead... or for people on phones with no headphones... or for people playing in church... or about a thousand other reasons why listening to audio can complicate things for people.

Seems like a real pickle.

Long Con wrote:These links are audio recordings, right? Vocaroo? Are they serious, in-game content, or jokes?

Yes to the first, Yes to the former of the second

Golden wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I was ready to open all of these up and hate them, but I ended up liking them.

Maybe the same thing will happen when you record yourself.

Worst idea ever.

Best idea ever. I did like it. It reminded me slightly of GLADOS from Portal, which is at once both unnerving but also awesome.

linki @DH - well, I dunno, I always feel like sometimes people don't see my suspicions because I don't explain them well. But you explained your bit of it well.

I agree with what you said. I also had the thought that the rainbow list was added to make Rico look super duper civtacular. But if it was a parody/spoof list, that would discount that theory.

Golden wrote:@DH - the answer to your question is that I try and maintain a duality about what could be going on so that I don't close my mind. Sure, I may suspect mac, but if he is town (as I noted in that post) I know he is truthful when he says he has good day one instincts. It's not useful for me to shut out the concept of Mac being good and to think about the implications of that, just because I have a suspicion of him.

Is your conclusion on rico that you agree with my suspicion, or just that you can explain why I do better than me?

Do you genuinely think I explained it better?

Golden wrote:Lol @ Dharma using Rico's patent spoof of rainbow lists as the example for why we should hate on rainbow lists.

@DH - you don't have to find them effective. People will continue to use them who find them useful and you can continue to ignore them. It's kind of a win win.

Was it a spoof? I could barely tell. It hit on several of the problems I have with rainbow lists regardless.

Also, I would argue the definition of a win win.

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Another thing, Why the fuck am I in two places and in two colors?

Three.

Well hot damn.

Ricochet wrote:My rainbow list so far

Ricochet
DharmaHelper
MacDougall
thellama73

DharmaHelper

a2thezebra
bcornett24
Bass_the_Clever
Black Rock
Boomslang
dfaraday
DharmaHelper
Dom
Dr. Wilgy
Draconus
Elohcin
Epignosis
Golden
Hamburger Boy
JaggedJimmyJay
Juliets
Long Con
LoRab
Matt
Metalmarsh
nijuukyugou
RadicalFuzz
sig
Sorsha
Spacedaisy
Timmer
Tranq

If I can side track the entire thread for a moment.

This is a prime example of what is wrong with rainbow lists. They are bloated for one thing, why the hell do I need to know who you don't find suspicious? You're putting energy into telling me something vestigial. Anything in blue or green is totally useless to me. Another thing, Why the fuck am I in two places and in two colors? What does that mean, and did doing that take you longer than it would have taken to just say what you think of me as a suspect? Another thing, the placement of anybody in red is completely arbitrary (especially this early). And again, why am I supposed to care if you suspect over 2/3rds of the game.

Rainbow lists tell me nothing as to why you suspect any of the people you suspect. It's just noise.

Rainbow lists are the Kardashians of mafia culture. Some of them are pretty. A majority of them are bloated messes. They're all stupid.

Ricochet wrote:I'm going to update mine every six hours (while awake).

You're an awful human being.

My rainbow list sense is tingling. I'm gonna give whoever it was that tainted the thread with those abominations the benefit of the doubt for now.

I wonder if 48 hours is enough time or not enough time.

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Elo and Metalmarsh made their first posts at very near to the same time. Discuss.

Are they having an affair?

Coincidence, MacDingus.

I was being sarcastic Epi. Did you see the posts they quoted.

I didn't even notice that.

Theory: baddies don't have to read the thread as thoroughly as Civvies. Converse.

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Long Con wrote:I see we are fully under way in classic scandalous Syndicate style! I (pretty much single-handedly) won Biblical Mafia so I'm going to high-five my vote directly on to Ezekiel for this poll.

I don't know if this Macdougall instinct thing is legit or not, but I'll be impressed if it is!

I was gonna be a smart ass but halfway into this post I realized I only won Biblical because my win condition was "you win the game lol"

You were shitting your pants when Paul (MP) was around.

Fucking chatterbox RIH

Long Con wrote:I see we are fully under way in classic scandalous Syndicate style! I (pretty much single-handedly) won Biblical Mafia so I'm going to high-five my vote directly on to Ezekiel for this poll.

I don't know if this Macdougall instinct thing is legit or not, but I'll be impressed if it is!

I was gonna be a smart ass but halfway into this post I realized I only won Biblical because my win condition was "you win the game lol"

Golden wrote:What about conscious playstyle change?

Actually, hold on a tick, wouldn't choosing not to play the same as before be conscious rather than unconscious?

RADICAL FUZZ MORE LIKE RADICAL LIAR

RadicalFuzz wrote:Voting for Watari because Death Note.

Also, I'm not going to play the same as before, so unconscious playstyle change isn't a valid accusation against me this game. Looking at you J3.

Scandalous.

If I have never played with you before how do I know you are telling the truth when you say you will not play the same as you have before? Why is this a valid defense? Were you a baddie when last you played?

Golden wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I agree with Mac that this poll doesn't seem a big deal, nor is deciding upon an option.

OK, well since in your world taking a point of view = 'being so sure'

What makes you so sure in your judgment that the poll doesn't 'seem' to be a big deal? What is it about the poll that makes it seem unimportant? Why is deciding upon an option so easy for you? It also seemed easy for DH, but then you picked different options...

@HOSTS - does any player have any particular potential benefit from any of the poll options getting more votes than the others?

linki @Mac - call it day one magic, then, eh. I don't find that post you made about me 'knowing LoRab is good' to have any frame of reference in Dune or Star Wars. You knew full well that isn't what I said or meant, and it certainly wasn't a ping. It was just you setting a trap.

That is because I unburdened myself. Make free your mind and you too will know which poll option to vote for.

Golden wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Making a big point over a bunch of nothing = u bad.

Saying day zero polls are a bunch of nothing = you bad (ok, maybe not, but I really don't like the sentiment).

How much more content did I post about the day zero poll in Star Wars, Mac? I analysed those options good. Were you right about me being bad there?

I have fewer pet hates then people treating day zero/night zero polls as useless. In my games, they are always meaningful and solvable, and I treat them as such in anyone elses game. So many people dismissing it as unsolvable bothers me.

FTR, I don't dismiss this poll as unsolvable. I just happened to solve it rather quickly.

Linki- Buddying up to Mac "Han Solo" Dougall super early so he won't add you to his U-Bad List?

Ricochet wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Golden wrote:OK, here's what I got.

Xander and Watari both appear to rely on another role from their own game being in the game. In Xander's case, the role seems almost entirely pointless and unable to adapt to this game. Watari I could see being adapted, and its also kind of cool so I could see it being used.

Duncan Idaho is decent, but relatively normal. There are other more interesting roles from Dune I think would be more likely to be included. Finn McMissile also seems like a relatively normal role, although in a game that seems relatively traditional all up. So Finn is a decent option.

On the other hand, the role of Ezekiel seems seriously epic, but in a game where there are lots of unusual and interesting roles to choose from. But I think Ezekiel stands out to me the most, so thats the way I'm going.

You seem to be relying on the assumption that the roles have been copy/pasted from their source material. Any one of these roles could have been reflavored to fit the GoC.

Copying what others say, huh?

Check.

Saying what others copy, eh?

Mate.

Golden wrote:OK, here's what I got.

Xander and Watari both appear to rely on another role from their own game being in the game. In Xander's case, the role seems almost entirely pointless and unable to adapt to this game. Watari I could see being adapted, and its also kind of cool so I could see it being used.

Duncan Idaho is decent, but relatively normal. There are other more interesting roles from Dune I think would be more likely to be included. Finn McMissile also seems like a relatively normal role, although in a game that seems relatively traditional all up. So Finn is a decent option.

On the other hand, the role of Ezekiel seems seriously epic, but in a game where there are lots of unusual and interesting roles to choose from. But I think Ezekiel stands out to me the most, so thats the way I'm going.

You seem to be relying on the assumption that the roles have been copy/pasted from their source material. Any one of these roles could have been reflavored to fit the GoC.

S~V~S wrote:I am seeing a woeful lack of rules reading

Reading is 4chumps

Golden wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Golden wrote:It's kind of scandalous that none of those 5 roles are mine. Now I'm going to have to go research to see which ones I think are cool enough to be included.

It's kind of scandalous that all 5 of these roles are mine.

So this poll is an I.W.I.N. button?

More like D.A.R.W.I.N

Ricochet wrote:DH hasn't complained about Golden posting without voting. Confirmed baddies.

Golden is bae tho.

Golden wrote:It's kind of scandalous that none of those 5 roles are mine. Now I'm going to have to go research to see which ones I think are cool enough to be included.

It's kind of scandalous that all 5 of these roles are mine.

Ricochet wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Wilgy, Rico, do you want to form a voting bloc with me

No.

DharmaHelper wrote:Tranq posted but didn't vote. Mac voted but did not post. Discuss.

Confirmed civs.

Tranq posted but didn't vote. Mac voted but did not post. Discuss.

Wilgy, Rico, do you want to form a voting bloc with me

Watari-san

What poll?

Furzt lolz