The Syndicate

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 7:43 am Virtue seems to have been absent for me last night.

@DharmaHelper my post at you sounded witty and snarky in my head at 12:30 a.m., but my brain woke me up over it twice last night. Now it reads more like a nasty asshole wrote it. That is not what I aspire to be. I apologize.

The salient point is that I brush past individual observations like yours most of the time and only slow down when it seems like misinterpretations and mischaracterizations are catching on as either a spreading theory or groupthink. You had a lot of points about me that were wrong but it would have been too much time and effort to slow down and refute that many points. Too much micro-focus on stuff like that is also something baddies fall into. I have the luxury of not needing to worry about little details that much because I am a civvie.

Sorry if my post pushed you further to or further over the edge.

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:50 am I have never tried DH's strategy to be offended all game long, is it viable ?

Votes are still changeable at least. I went a bit over llama again, also worth remembering the post where they agreed that kate was a candidate for faking mafia role usage on self.
Tis the legacy:

Therefore, if I should die before I wake, look at Quin, Bea, Kate, G-Man, and Sig to be possible culprits.

I'm less inclined to sus G-Man. The thoughts seemed genuine without much fluff in his later more sizable posts.

I want to focus on Bea for today because I think by Day 3 everyone should have done a few prods and pokes towards players they suspect. But I still have no insight whatsoever into whom bea has as possible mafia (and didn't vote yet).
I don't know if Tangrowth did anything

bea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 2:12 am Another thing to look into: did we see any evidence of Tangrowth this phase?

but she seems to avoid talking about the eliminations, most of the time.
We are looking for peeps who fake their scumreads and I can't do that when I don't know them.

I have no idea how Sloonei ended up with a townread on bea either. But it came along with an equally strong TR on Quin. I think I might have to undig the Sloonei suspicions again because this reads a lot like a mafia would treat a pair with one teammate in it (among Bea and Quin). Sloonei sticks out with these two reads I think.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 2:21 am Your efforts to provide comprehensible content while insanified are appreciated, Bea.

Also you can have a town read. Congratulations!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:29 pm Kate, Bea, and G-man all feel like players we could have stronger reads on collectively.

I'm probably not going to oppose a DH lynch, though. Because I have no idea what their posts are meant to achieve, recently.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:08 am I've never played with Kate. Hi Kate!

Kate has been generating reads, but the vast majority of them are developed in reaction to other's posts. Very little proactive scum hunting is happening. I'm seeing this as a scum doing the rounds to respond to lots of prompts, but not generating anything new of her own accord.

Can you comment on this, @Kate ?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:32 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:25 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:14 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:04 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:55 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:45 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:17 pm

I am dying.

no i am

Pretty heavy handed.

Why on Earth would mafia kill you right now? You’re prime miselim material if you’re town

The ONLY way he is killed at night right now is if his own team sacrifices him to distance themselves from him. This is an idea I wouldn't even have considered in my previous games however, if you can win while dead, then why not?

In a world with a known “rez please” role for people who haven’t flipped only, I think there is reason to be careful with who is rezzed

i'm quoting golden but addressing the whole of this discussion when i say i bet a dh who wasn't completely disenchanted with playing this game would have something to say about this discussion.

Do you want out of this game?

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:31 pm You know what?

Let’s just end with the sarcastic digs at golden eh? Is that too much to ask?

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:14 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:04 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:55 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:45 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:17 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:57 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:43 pm Hello scotty would you like to play a game of snap with me.

Is that the one where we lick each other in the balls as hard as we can until someone yells mercy?

I am dying.

no i am

Pretty heavy handed.

Why on Earth would mafia kill you right now? You’re prime miselim material if you’re town

The ONLY way he is killed at night right now is if his own team sacrifices him to distance themselves from him. This is an idea I wouldn't even have considered in my previous games however, if you can win while dead, then why not?

In a world with a known “rez please” role for people who haven’t flipped only, I think there is reason to be careful with who is rezzed

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:17 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:57 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:43 pm Hello scotty would you like to play a game of snap with me.

Is that the one where we lick each other in the balls as hard as we can until someone yells mercy?

I am dying.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:19 pm I’m just gonna say this once and then I’m done with it and I’m not going to engage any more.

My suspicion on DH came from reading his posts. All of them. And I never claimed they had no substance. And I engaged with him repeatedly.

Al the ‘I just want people to read’, ‘people say I have no substance’, ‘goldens reads are probably wrong by me providing one post and calling that an objective fact about my game’ is nonsense stuff, and it’s all of this that has me reading him as bad.

I see he claimed to Kate he just wanted people to engage with him and he deeply tried and woe is him for no one being willing to engage back.

Bullsuit. The opposite is true. He called the suspicion ‘meaningless’, ‘a bit’ etc…

I have been trying to engage everyone in good faith. I’ve also really really tried to walk away from DH, but he just can’t help but put in another boot in bad faith.

I’m not here for it, and I can’t see it’s civ behaviour.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:19 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:17 pm i guess i could do that if i cared to.

It’s fine, I found some.

What does {3) tend to be more careful and blendy and don't grab attention} look like in practical terms?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:43 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:59 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:57 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:47 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:46 am Dredging this back up:

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:12 pm Q: how likely is the “multiple mafia teams” slip that DH had in multiple posts yesterday to come from a town vs a mafia mindset?

I don't think its alignment indicative unless you consider that if I am SK or Mafia I tend to dig my teeth into the game more than if I am CIV vis-a-vis mechanics and I also tend not to put my foot in my mouth and I also tend not to do anything to draw an unnecessary amount of attention to myself.

But I personally don't think it means much, from an alignment perspective.

So I pitched that question to the general public, and you were the only one to answer. And your answer was a WIFOM, consisting of basically “if I were bad, I’d just talk with wild abandon, which is what I’m currently doing” so thanks for that

Anyone else pause at DH’s mafia team confusion in D1? Or at least think it holds any weight?

I swear to God someday somebody is going to read my posts.

By your own admission I’m the only one seemingly reading your posts so what am I missing?

I explained in my color-post, but

And your answer was a WIFOM, consisting of basically “if I were bad, I’d just talk with wild abandon, which is what I’m currently doing”

Is not true because what I said was "When I'm Mafia/SK, I tend to focus in on and utilize mechanics more than when I'm civ, and I tend to be very careful about what I say"

Which is the opposite of what you said I said. Which means you didn't read what I said.

If that was your intention, it didn’t come out like that to me. Here’s the quote:
“…if I am SK or Mafia I tend to dig my teeth into the game more than if I am CIV vis-a-vis mechanics and I also tend not to put my foot in my mouth and I also tend not to do anything to draw an unnecessary amount of attention to myself...”

Separated the thoughts by colors.

I’m no English major like Sloonei but can you not see how that would be confusing and not just me not reading your posts?

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:59 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:55 am Its not illegal to give a reason for your suspicions at night. The only reason one wouldn't has nothing to do with whether their a moron (Which I didn't say, but not reading what I'm saying/Saying I'm saying different things is very on brand and in vogue so no sweat).

One would repeatedly refuse to give a reason for their vote/suspicion, I'd think, because they didn't have a good one that would stand the test of scrutiny.

I want to engage with someone, anyone at all really, who has a legitimate reason for suspecting me, but Every time I do try to do that, I get nothing back. Which is cool and fun.

So glad you're having a good time.

*it's they're

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:57 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:47 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:46 am Dredging this back up:

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:12 pm Q: how likely is the “multiple mafia teams” slip that DH had in multiple posts yesterday to come from a town vs a mafia mindset?

I don't think its alignment indicative unless you consider that if I am SK or Mafia I tend to dig my teeth into the game more than if I am CIV vis-a-vis mechanics and I also tend not to put my foot in my mouth and I also tend not to do anything to draw an unnecessary amount of attention to myself.

But I personally don't think it means much, from an alignment perspective.

So I pitched that question to the general public, and you were the only one to answer. And your answer was a WIFOM, consisting of basically “if I were bad, I’d just talk with wild abandon, which is what I’m currently doing” so thanks for that

Anyone else pause at DH’s mafia team confusion in D1? Or at least think it holds any weight?

I swear to God someday somebody is going to read my posts.

By your own admission I’m the only one seemingly reading your posts so what am I missing?

And your answer was a WIFOM, consisting of basically “if I were bad, I’d just talk with wild abandon, which is what I’m currently doing”

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:49 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:46 am

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:45 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:41 am

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:56 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:08 am Kate - "I suspect you, DH"
Me - "Okay why, like explain."
Kate - [exits, pursued by a bear]

Interesting and very civvie.

I was having an internal hissy fit last night and had to walk away from you, in particular. I'll get back to it in the day period. That's the way I play, deal with it.

You responded to several other people and were at least lurking for a while but assuming you did actually step away, now that you have, you are free to share your suspicions/reasons for voting for me aren't you?

As I said, I had to walk away from YOU in particular.

Yes but now (and every time) That I ask you why you suspect me you can't seem to say why.

I guess I'm just a moron. I'll do what I want to do about your request of me in the DAY PERIOD. Can I make that any more clear to you?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:47 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:46 am Dredging this back up:

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:12 pm Q: how likely is the “multiple mafia teams” slip that DH had in multiple posts yesterday to come from a town vs a mafia mindset?

I don't think its alignment indicative unless you consider that if I am SK or Mafia I tend to dig my teeth into the game more than if I am CIV vis-a-vis mechanics and I also tend not to put my foot in my mouth and I also tend not to do anything to draw an unnecessary amount of attention to myself.

But I personally don't think it means much, from an alignment perspective.

So I pitched that question to the general public, and you were the only one to answer. And your answer was a WIFOM, consisting of basically “if I were bad, I’d just talk with wild abandon, which is what I’m currently doing” so thanks for that

Anyone else pause at DH’s mafia team confusion in D1? Or at least think it holds any weight?

I swear to God someday somebody is going to read my posts.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:46 am Dredging this back up:

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:12 pm Q: how likely is the “multiple mafia teams” slip that DH had in multiple posts yesterday to come from a town vs a mafia mindset?

I don't think its alignment indicative unless you consider that if I am SK or Mafia I tend to dig my teeth into the game more than if I am CIV vis-a-vis mechanics and I also tend not to put my foot in my mouth and I also tend not to do anything to draw an unnecessary amount of attention to myself.

But I personally don't think it means much, from an alignment perspective.

So I pitched that question to the general public, and you were the only one to answer. And your answer was a WIFOM, consisting of basically “if I were bad, I’d just talk with wild abandon, which is what I’m currently doing” so thanks for that

Anyone else pause at DH’s mafia team confusion in D1? Or at least think it holds any weight?

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:45 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:41 am

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:56 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:08 am Kate - "I suspect you, DH"
Me - "Okay why, like explain."
Kate - [exits, pursued by a bear]

Interesting and very civvie.

I was having an internal hissy fit last night and had to walk away from you, in particular. I'll get back to it in the day period. That's the way I play, deal with it.

You responded to several other people and were at least lurking for a while but assuming you did actually step away, now that you have, you are free to share your suspicions/reasons for voting for me aren't you?

As I said, I had to walk away from YOU in particular.

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:56 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:08 am Kate - "I suspect you, DH"
Me - "Okay why, like explain."
Kate - [exits, pursued by a bear]

Interesting and very civvie.

I was having an internal hissy fit last night and had to walk away from you, in particular. I'll get back to it in the day period. That's the way I play, deal with it.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:18 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 2:21 am Your efforts to provide comprehensible content while insanified are appreciated, Bea.

Also you can have a town read. Congratulations!

And also successful, I read them all.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:40 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:37 pm Anyway, I know talking in the night is a scary thing for a lot of people. It’s when the witches and zombies come out to play pickle ball or whatever, but that’s fine. I’ll continue to speak my mind, and like Einstein once sang, ‘Live Like You Were Dying”.

Sloonei is so defensive of Quin, I can actually hear Quin’s voice whispering ‘QUAAAAIIDDD’ from beneath Sloonei’s shirt. He’s gone into detail about this town read- gushing over Quin’s genuine attempt to flesh out his read of Scotty vs Elo on D1. And without any other addition today, continued to peddle his undying love.

I believe Golden has bought the swill due to maybe thinking Sloonei is a particular town role. But I don’t buy it. It’s too heavy handed.

The question then becomes: if Sloonei is actually mafia partners with Quin, how likely is he really to be so over the top in defending his partner? It’s a wrinkle, but not unheard of. I try not to do full pairings by putting the goose before the plane, but this particular duo seems linked to me. I think Quin should he the first to go, however, because that would help solve a lot of wagons in these 1st two days.

The player I have as my strongest town read is being widely suspected for reasons that I feel are misguided, by several players I trust. In the absence of a strong suspect, I am going to stick up for the player I town-read as my primary focus.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:33 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:31 pm Was Sloonei ever interested in a Quin lynch? Is there any reason to believe Sloonei isn't bad?

You’ve done isos on Sloonei.

Did you miss that Quin has been his top town read for ages? Sloonei has been very clearly and openly voting to save Quin.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:20 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:02 pm The question you really ought to be asking is if Llama moved his vote off of me and back onto Quin genuinely or if he did that because he knew he could safely tuck in a vote for his teammate.

My vote was never on you, guy. It was briefly on Lorab.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:19 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:18 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:17 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:16 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:11 pm
Why did you continue to vote yourself during the entire ordeal? It sure seemed like you were content to be the proverbial pin the tail on the donkey

Because I was content to be the proverbial pin the tail on the donkey. If the choice was "Get lynched or vote for an obviously townie LoRab" I am going to get lynched.

That you were the only person in the thread (besides LoRab) that thought she was obviously towny just made my eyes turn inside out

If I thought she was mafia I would have said so in my ISO, or voted for her to save myself.

But you chose not to vote for Quin, who is obvious mafia

Wouldn't have mattered.

It very much would have.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:17 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:16 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:11 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:02 pm The question you really ought to be asking is if Llama moved his vote off of me and back onto Quin genuinely or if he did that because he knew he could safely tuck in a vote for his teammate.

Why did you continue to vote yourself during the entire ordeal? It sure seemed like you were content to be the proverbial pin the tail on the donkey

Because I was content to be the proverbial pin the tail on the donkey. If the choice was "Get lynched or vote for an obviously townie LoRab" I am going to get lynched.

That you were the only person in the thread (besides LoRab) that thought she was obviously towny just made my eyes turn inside out

If I thought she was mafia I would have said so in my ISO, or voted for her to save myself.

But you chose not to vote for Quin, who is obvious mafia

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:16 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:13 pm Also it was funny and it made some of the mafia tip their hands panicking trying to figure out how to end the day without getting lynched and without making their efforts to save (I assume) Quin super obvious.

I saw you kept saying how obvious mafia were being, and yet you weren’t pointing to said obvious mafia.

So you think Quin is obvious mafia?

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:11 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:02 pm The question you really ought to be asking is if Llama moved his vote off of me and back onto Quin genuinely or if he did that because he knew he could safely tuck in a vote for his teammate.

Why did you continue to vote yourself during the entire ordeal? It sure seemed like you were content to be the proverbial pin the tail on the donkey

Because I was content to be the proverbial pin the tail on the donkey. If the choice was "Get lynched or vote for an obviously townie LoRab" I am going to get lynched.

That you were the only person in the thread (besides LoRab) that thought she was obviously towny just made my eyes turn inside out

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:11 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:02 pm The question you really ought to be asking is if Llama moved his vote off of me and back onto Quin genuinely or if he did that because he knew he could safely tuck in a vote for his teammate.

Why did you continue to vote yourself during the entire ordeal? It sure seemed like you were content to be the proverbial pin the tail on the donkey

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:03 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:02 pm The question you really ought to be asking is if Llama moved his vote off of me and back onto Quin genuinely or if he did that because he knew he could safely tuck in a vote for his teammate.

Why are Llama and Quin teammates?

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:51 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:42 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:40 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:36 pm Unfortunate.

Yea, it should have been you.

I guess I'll humor you and ask why, though. Just to see what you think.

Why so you can snarkily disagree with everything I say, then put me down?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:48 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:46 pm I laughed out loud when I got to this in my reread:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:22 pm A vote for Bea at this stage would be a total shot in the dark. That is better than voting for a town read, but it is not ideal.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:24 pm [VOTE: Kate] aubergine

The hell was this vote, Sloonei?

DharmaHelper raised an intriguing point about Kate, and I wanted to see if he would take any action at all if I presented the opportunity to start a wagon against somebody he suspected.

He did nothing and continued to yell about how unfairly we were treating him.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:40 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:36 pm Unfortunate.

Yea, it should have been you.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:40 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:36 pm Unfortunate.

Yea, it should have been you.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:45 pm DFaraday/Kate/Vivax/Quin/Scotty is probably where I would start my hunt but what do I know.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:59 pm [VOTE: lorab] aubergine

Gut tells me this is stronger