The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:59 am This was in 2015.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:22 pm

Long Con wrote:

Made wrote:Hey, yo guys, so uh my vote was forced so I'm just gonna get that out of the way now.

Voting Boomslang.

I'm not going to post the exact message, so that way we can have a sort of key to prove when someone is telling the truth, and someone is lying about being vote forced.

So next time someone claims votes force i'll ask for like the 5th or 3rd word in the message and if they match up, they're clear.

Thoughts?

There's no guarantee Epig would write the PM the same every time. Especially after you say something like that. You really think Epig would be able to stop himself from messing with you?

BR pretty much only went after DH and TH. If they're connected, then that would be a good reason to kill BR.

I voted for DH last time and not a lot has happened since then to make me say "Hey, that person is more suspicious!". That, in addition to the BR kill and her suspicions, supported by the concept that votes are still changeable... makes it easy to vote for DH again right away. *votes DharmaHelper*

Now, I have Lorab as a Tag Team partner. She hasn't said a lot so far, and I sometimes like to be chatty. So it will be a difficult balance. There'll be no back-and-forths unless it's between partners. I think that's another reason to lay my cards on the table early, discussion will be more difficult, so it's good to let people know where you stand right away.

Of course, if I really feel like I have to say something, maybe I'll just have to double-talk after people I like!

I'm surprised that you can't see the obvious frame-up in killing BR.

Anyway, I have a lot to say and since this is gonna be a tough day to post things;

Close to 90% of my Day 1 antics were a ploy. I was concerned at first that I would be caught out, and the facade ruined (particularly with INH's post, and several posts pointing out how strange and/or funny I had been acting). Yes, a ploy. Built carefully with one goal in mind: The careful observation of the reactions to my plot. One in particular caught my eye. I hinted only once at this falsehood, when I mentioned the sweet irony of the similarity of this game to Misfits mafia.

This being a Championship game, and an opportunity to reflect on our past victories, I decided to play this game (for at least day one) in as much of a contrast to my Misfits game as possible. Where in Misfits I was the rational, careful and plucky manipulator, I decided here to abandon that strategy and go balls out.

One man should have seen through my facade, and did not. I suspect due to his own baddieness. So, my vote will go to Made.

As Long Con points out, we can change our votes whenever. I doubt mine will change, though.

Now that I've successfully pulled an INH, lets get back to this posting contest.

Roxy wrote:I just want to apologize for the crap I did this game.

DH you are a mafia god and played a beautiful game. Sorry if I made it un-fun for you.

I really, really loved this game and set up Epi and apologize to you as well. Great role though and great fun while it lasted!

Epignosis wrote:

Made wrote:

Dom wrote:

Made wrote:JFC!?!? Dh, Dom, Mongoose, AND Snow? Foul?

what does this mean

JFC=Jesus Fucking Christ
No, but that baddie team sounds op af
(Op= overpowered)(af= as fuck)

And completely random.

Dom wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Made actually forced me to vote for him D2. I don't think he realized how persuasive I can be.

It served its purpose, though. We did NOT think Made was bad after that.

Dom wrote:

juliets wrote:

Dom wrote:Of the people in the end game, the only person who was not outed/didn't out themselves was DH-- when excluding inactives because they don't matter at that point.

That's a problem.

Honestly, this is the second game on this site that has been absolutely DESTROYED because of info dumping and role outing. There's good in info dumping, but there's also, "hey i'm not bad and it rhymes with "prom".

I never outted myself.

Juliets, like LC, I apologize, I was not in my right mind when posting that and didn't even consult a player's list.

bea wrote:Thanks llama - I am pretty cool in lots of things -but I'm not great at mafia - and I never claimed to be. I do however, love to learn and welcome instruction.

you're cool too sir!

TH - you would have been fun to have back too! I voted where I wanted to there. I couldn't believe anyone who picked Abed is Batman was bad.

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Long Con wrote:I agree, I think "info dumping", or at least info-hinting, should be a vibrant part of Mafia. It's the reason why giving the baddies a dead-role-checker (or even a regular role-checker) is so good. What an opportunity!

Perhaps the better way to combat the perceived info-dumping problem is for hosts to introduce things into the game to specifically neutralize the possibility. More baddie roles that can cause wrong information to seem right, variants on the Seemer role, roles that are listed as Civvie but are actually bad...

Also, it's worthwhile to point out that the baddies have a WAY better record on this site than the Civvies. The baddies win disproportionately more. So an infodumping problem isn't hurting the overall baddie win chances.

Baddies win more than civvies here because the civvies do not play. Nonparticipation significantly drops the difficulty for mafia

Stay tuned for what we hope will be a pleasant surprise on that front.

Long Con wrote:I agree, I think "info dumping", or at least info-hinting, should be a vibrant part of Mafia. It's the reason why giving the baddies a dead-role-checker (or even a regular role-checker) is so good. What an opportunity!

Perhaps the better way to combat the perceived info-dumping problem is for hosts to introduce things into the game to specifically neutralize the possibility. More baddie roles that can cause wrong information to seem right, variants on the Seemer role, roles that are listed as Civvie but are actually bad...

Also, it's worthwhile to point out that the baddies have a WAY better record on this site than the Civvies. The baddies win disproportionately more. So an infodumping problem isn't hurting the overall baddie win chances.

thellama73 wrote:Lol, this game was ridic. I still cannot believe that the entire thread literally caught Made in an outright lie, yet explained it all away and didn't lynch him until many days later. I would say how proud I am about being right about him, if it were not for the fact that it was the most freaking obvious thing I've ever seen.

Dom wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Dom wrote:Dh--- you played our team amazingly well. I wish it would have turned out better.



TBH-- Epi you are a great host. I love your games a lot.

Everyone on the team played amazingly. I was just the last one to get shot in the face.

our BTSC chat was awesome too. I'll miss it.


TBH, DH, you have more patience than I do-- I would have, and did, have an in-thread fit. You played it better than I ever could.

Dom wrote:Dh--- you played our team amazingly well. I wish it would have turned out better.



TBH-- Epi you are a great host. I love your games a lot.

Epignosis wrote:Also, the order of the themes was decided by Day 0, of course, but dead people's votes no longer counted. So the order could change.

The Hobbit was obviously a pro-Sorcerer place, but we never got to Film Noir, which was a pro-Suit place:

Film Noir
The Hays Code is in Effect.- Any profanity of any kind will result in Preacher Harry Powell’s vote the next Day becoming +1 for each instance.

Epignosis wrote:

timmer wrote:Oh yeah! Y'all should have answereded the knights who say NI's questions! You got to ask them if a certain player of your choice had "ni", and since most roles had the word universe or night in them, most were a yes, but if you hit a NO like we did with Long Con, you could learn a lot about him!

Yeah, I thought that was a fun, quirky mechanic, but nobody else sent the PM.

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

zeek wrote:Good game with Russ as well, didn't expect him to be the other suit.

I had list after list of names I had been analyzing trying to find the suit. Figured I'd snipe Russ and gain the kill. Little did I know MP would inherit the kill

But MP got the kill and you recognized that and redirected it to spacedaisy, stopping him from winning.

I told him not to out himself.

zeek wrote:Looks like it ended before MP could get his win, sorry :P

zeek wrote:Good game with Russ as well, didn't expect him to be the other suit.

timmer wrote:

juliets wrote:Yeah the hatter told me to name 3 people and underline their name in the thread and that the four of us would be going to a party. I underlined the names but nobody noticed and nothing ever happened.

I noticed!!! i noticed!!! I noticed that FZ did the same thing!!! But I could never figure out what it meant, so I didn't say anything!

Long Con wrote:Was the Hatter's win condition just survival? Also, I believed his threats were empty!


I changed his message to me to try and get Mongoose some sort of cred by grouping her with Civs.

Severus Snape- S~V~S
Gleeok- Elohcin / bea

timmer wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

timmer wrote:This might be DH's greatest game, honestly, and if the info dumping and vouching hadn't happened, I think he'd have won.

Coming from you this chokes me up, thanks.

Your voting record pointed to either a suit or an indy, no WAY a sorcerer!

timmer wrote:This might be DH's greatest game, honestly, and if the info dumping and vouching hadn't happened, I think he'd have won.

zeek wrote:Well MP talking about not wanting to be redirected got me hoping you'd actually do it. Used my power accordingly and now you're caught DH So long.

Was kind of caught the minute everyone else decided to out themselves/each other. But I get your point.

Long Con wrote:Good times, man. I loved the last awesome balls-kick, it's kind of epic karma.

Epignosis wrote:

Are You Being Outed?

"Mr. Harmon," Captain Peacock said. "Do clean up that body. The store opens in five minutes."

spacedaisy has been killed by Tyler Durden.
It is now Day 12. You have 24 hours to lynch someone.

timmer wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I think we just ought to lynch DH tomorrow. I think getting the info. from his lynch would be best for us.

Actually the funny thing is, even though I'm civ, I don't think yall have ANY clue who I am.

I think I do, actually, which was why way back days ago I said I wasn't going top go after you anymore. I mostly just voted you yesterday out of frustration. But I still want to know from you why you think the game isn't over, if indeed you were right about Boom?

Elohcin wrote:I think we just ought to lynch DH tomorrow. I think getting the info. from his lynch would be best for us.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:The game WOULD be over if Boom was the last sorcerer and he was lynched, but you forget we just rezzed someone we don't even know.

"Who is Dead" I assume meant Dr. Who is Dead, which on its face makes it likely we've rezzed the Doctor. (Shut up, you already as much as said it.)

BUT

Both baddie teams have dead role checkers. It would be easy for a baddie to claim a dead role in the hopes of getting rezzed.

Does this mean you believe The Ghost is the last Sorcerer? That doesn't line up with the kill on N8, however.

Be back later tonight, folks.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:The more I think about it, though, the more that DH being the last Sorcerer explains his behavior throughout the entire game so much.

In what ways.

That's a good question!

- Your opportunistic push of Made, whether or not you actually believed he was lying, does not conflict with your baddieness if you are Sorcerer (since he wasn't).

It also has no bearing on me being a Sorcerer period, but nice try. Never seen somebody use "You suspected a baddie!" before as evidence.

- Perhaps most notably, your suspicion of the Llama voters, and particularly Bass, gradually fell off your radar as the Dom/Bass lynch occurred, and you gradually shifted suspicion onto Dom, who you had not mentioned at all previously. I know you're not well known for throwing teammates under the bus, so this was a genius move.

How exactly is it genius to vote for ones teammate as opposed to...literally anyone else? Particularly when there is only one other option. Particularly when the vote was as close as it was. How exactly is it genius to not only do that, but to ACTIVELY DRIVE SUSPICION to your teammate?

- How you knew from the beginning that S~V~S wasn't Voldemort. Makes the most sense for you to defend her as "confirmed civ" this whole time; why would a baddie cast doubt on that if they ran the risk of being wrong, especially when S~V~S had some serious heat on her for a bit?

I knew from the beginning SVS was not Voldemort because I have brain cells.

- Your genius distancing move of Snowy; as the tension built up on him, figuring he was eventually a goner, you made sure you were one of the first five or so to really throw your gauntlet behind his lynch.

Again, not seeing how this translates to me being a Sorcerer. Ask anyone, (even yourself). I don't throw teammates under the bus, and I definitely never say die in terms of trying to keep teammates alive.


- Most notably, yur push of the Boomslang lynch, where suddenly within the previous cycle or so you started hinting at FoB, subtly, to try anything you could to prolong your survival -- this is most damning coupled with the facts that timmer pointed out, that dead players retained BTSC with their teammates, and that there was a huge push to convince players that there was a Seemer role, when otherwise there was no evidence of the sort. It's the kind of hail mary move that makes so much sense for a baddie team to make at this stage of the game where victory seems unlikely.

I disagree

There's more, but those are the main points.

Like I said, brilliant game. I wish you could win, honestly.

MovingPictures07 wrote:The more I think about it, though, the more that DH being the last Sorcerer explains his behavior throughout the entire game so much.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:But it wont end the game is what I'm saying. Doofus, I'm not the last sorcerer.

Well, if you're right, that's true. Who is it then?

S~V~S wrote:I told you guys I wasn't Voldemort.