The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:I just found out yesterday that Sam McDonald is still alive.

...Despite your best efforts?

Missing Person wrote:I honestly never had a scumread on you. I should've pushed based on LC's suspicion of you once I felt he was cleared. But it never came to mind for me, so that's 100% hindsight.

In fairness to you, I am a badass.

Also, I had Golden in my pocket for most of the game, Glad you weren't killed early this game Golden

Missing Person wrote:I'm particularly proud that I found a way to improve this game.

-Didn't tunnel on Golden, was right not to.
-Managed to sort him and Long Con out before I went nuts on them.
-Caught MP07's forced response quick, responded late.

I definitely liked this format. If it's cool, I may run this at JTM sometime.

You played well, and I was concerned you might eventually turn your attentions to me.

Hedgeowl wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:That's what I would change. Standard end times for the day/night.
I agree with this. I found it hard to keep track with the times changing, and missed a lot of votes. But I did enjoy the speed aspect of it at the same time.
Yes ^wss. It was good tactic on the your part to throw us off though. Also when they came in so fast, it had to be from an active player, but I didn't put DH in that role until too late.

I was playing DnD with Epi one lynch, and just told him to kill DREAM in the lynch post :P

That's what I would change. Standard end times for the day/night.

TinyBubbles wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis, if you were to create another game like this, is there anything you would change? I'm curious how it all panned out from your point of view.

Linki: Yeah Golden, I was starting to come on to DH. I managed to let myself get distracted though. And of course, my vote was the clincher.
At that point, I was confident we'd already won. I figured Tiny Bubbles wouldn't vote, and worst case scenario it would be 3-3. I didn't get the impression that Epi would want to stretch out the game by breaking the tie in the civs favor.

I tend to go into cruise control if I think I've won.
good intuition -_- i was out all day at my cousin's wedding, had no time to vote

I was banking on the bullshit poll times fucking with at least one person :P

The funny thing for me was sending in the kills in order to change the poll times to throw people off. That should have been an indicator of my guilt at least, that I was always/mostly on point with posting/voting.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis, if you were to create another game like this, is there anything you would change? I'm curious how it all panned out from your point of view.

Linki: Yeah Golden, I was starting to come on to DH. I managed to let myself get distracted though. And of course, my vote was the clincher.

At that point, I was confident we'd already won. I figured Tiny Bubbles wouldn't vote, and worst case scenario it would be 3-3. I didn't get the impression that Epi would want to stretch out the game by breaking the tie in the civs favor.

I tend to go into cruise control if I think I've won.

Golden wrote:What I should have done, though... was take one vote on the chin and used one more post to respond to DH's allegation that it was 'last day fuckery' - which for me cemented the fact he was bad. I could have taken the vote, knowing DH had already voted for hedge, but I didn't think it through.

(I would have been all out for you tomorrow, DH, but I also have a feeling I would have been NKed if we'd successfully lynched splints).

Good intuition.

I found the 4 post limit exceptionally useful in steering conversation and overwhelming the thread with narrative.

Golden wrote:
Neverwhere wrote:I just wanted to win so badly just so I could laugh at you again Golden
I should have known you guys bussed MP when it all came out of nowhere.

Might have been a miscalculation on our part, but I think it would have been a scummier looking lynch if a civ had been lynched.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Shhhhhhhhhhh.

Some people took that too literally.

fingersplints wrote:I thought we killed llama because we thought it was him?

We did, but I also thought it could be LC :P

Dang, from the way LC built his case on me I figured it might have been him.

Who was the rolechecker, by the way?

Shout out to our 5th teammate TH

Hedgeowl wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ohmygod, Golden and Hedgie suddenly trust each other! Let's lynch 'em!
Right? DH was great at ignoring everything I posted, but still sounding like he was the all confidant civ.

Had I addressed any of your points, it would have been too clear you were making good points.

ayy lmao

Holy fucking shit. How did Golden and Hedge go from suspecting each other to buddy buddy so fast? Is this some kind of end game fuckery?

Golden wrote:I think hedge is betting splints comes back bad and you lynch me tomorrow, based on her post, yes.

But honestly, if you see it from my point of view (knowing I'm civilian) and look at the vote train for MP - I think that primarily because unless MP was bussed it's the only correct answer.

The only other possibility is that either you, TB, or neverwhere is bad and:

MovingPictures07
5
TinyBubbles (3), Missing Person (4), DharmaHelper (6), Neverwhere (7), thellama73 (8)
36%

Neverwhere
0
No votes

thellama73
4
MovingPictures07 (5), Metalmarsh89 (9), Elohcin (12), Hedgeowl (14)

I mean, I guess Neverwhere could be bad, that's possible. TB and you don't seem that likely based on vote order.

I'd be fairly happy to go splints but since you have already gone hedge, I'm going to wait to see what others have to say.

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What you're saying makes sense, and I think we're six of one, half dozen of the other as far as this lynch goes. I felt a hedge vote was our best shot as I've been consistently seeing baddie hedge, so we'll see.

Golden wrote:That's actually a pretty good case on splints.

Dunno where you get your case on me from at all, except perhaps that we both voted for you and it's just a no u. If splints is bad for seeing my civ game, then I suppose everyone else is too.

But you've given me pause for thought, at least....

But here is what I think happened... you guys can win if you just get ONE civilian lynch.

So, get civ cred by taking out splints, and then you look better.

TB, Neverwhere and DH all voted for MP. I don't think there is any evidence he was bussed. I know I'm not bad. So to my mind, the three baddies are splints, MM, hedge.

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So you think Hedge/Splints are just betting that we lynch one of them and take the other as a civ, which will clear the way for them to win?

I really don't know what to make of you accusing Golden of being mafia with a straight face.

Expected the thread to be locked for the night, but DREAM just posted in dead red, so I guess its day? Nothing has changed my mind about Hedge and I've got DND to play, so voting for her.

Turnip Head wrote:In my defense I had no idea I was starting a bandwagon.

splintsy's vote looks bad, because it ensured that no one but DREAM will be lynched (excepting me posting too much and accruing extra votes) despite the fact that she does not see the case on DREAM.

DREAM if you vote for me it will be a tie because of my punishment votes!

linki: DH y u not vote for me to save DREAM

It wouldn't have saved Dream

Also, bullshit you "didn't realize" you were starting a bandwagon.

Voting for Hedgeowl.

Also, that cheeky MM/TH exchange has my attention.

This DREAM thing is freaking me out. Suddenly TH starts playing and his first act is to start a bandwagon with really shaky wheels? :P I am more confident in my Hedge suspicion, but we'll see how the votes fall.

Actually screw it, I'll explain my Eloh suspicion right now before I go back to watching Netflix:

I suspect Eloh for her cheap cop out suspicion of TH. TH, it seems clear to me, is not a threat to the civs at this or any point. But by continuing to vote for him, Eloh avoids having to come up with any real suspects.

I suspect Eloh based on how the MP lynch went. She broke from her TH vote in order to vote for Llama and bring MP closer to being saved.

And she was very subtly vouched for/defended by Hedge's "I think that the non-voters list contains mostly inactive civs rather than baddies" remarks. Hedge being another llama voter.

I am voting for Eloh. If anyone would like me to explain my vote further, let me know, I'd love to.

Hedgeowl wrote:
Golden wrote:I'm not surprised to discover LC is good. He read that way to me. The paranoia in me goes 'was that kill DH, or to frame DH' - I feel sure it's one or the other.

I was reading Elo as civ for the first time ever . and then she didn't vote...

The thing that really stood out for me was how many missing votes there were on day 2. Really? These people voted (in this order)

ika
MP
MM
TH
Golden
Missing P
Neverwhere
Long Con
DH
Llama

That means no votes from:

DREAM
Elohcin
fingersplints
Hedgeowl
TinyBubbles

OK, thats less bad than I thought when I see it like that. But still, when someone is lynched with only 3 votes, 5 votes is a significant chunk. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of these were people who felt absolutely no compelling reason to vote. And that, at least, is one reason to feel sort of ok about TH (since I would find it hard to categorise ika's lynch as a save). But, I mean, with four baddies the results are far too easy to manipulate with so many people missing. I don't expect me can catch baddies unless we are all voting!

Hmm, and interesting, DH makes a big case on elo and LC being teammates. Proving LC is civilian by NKing him might be a good way to take heat off elo, so perhaps she is bad.

Missing Person wrote:
Golden wrote:I still tend to think, though, that my 'filler' may have contributed to Missing Person linking me to LC, despite him wanting to claim the thing was useless. (Which is funny. Cos personally, I think that catching something going down like that is EXACTLY why that post is not useless.)
I'm not seeing how this links you to LC, care to fill me in? It was more like, "I think one of you two are scum, I don't see a plausible scenario where both of you are." I think I said exactly that in perhaps my 3rd post of Day 1?
Well, I don't think it does, but I thought you might have painted it that way on day one. But you didn't. It's sort of in the past now anyway, I'm feeling better about you now.

Also, I'm feeling pretty ok about Neverwhere right now.

I'm pretty anti these rainbow lists, but in a game with so few players and so few posts its a good way to get my thoughts across, so here goes. Lets call red 'top suspects', orange 'very wary', yellow 'I don't fully trust you', green 'I have no read', blue 'I trust you', (f**k indigo), and violet is golden, because I get to mess with the spectrum like that.

Look, it's an actual rainbow!

Elohcin
Hedgeowl
TH
MP
MM
Missing P
DREAM
splints
TinyBubbles
DH
Neverwhere
Llama
Golden

See you all in the morning, since now the poll closes after I wake

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The Day 2 voters I think are the group where we would have at least 3 baddies. Although today's lynch will be telling for sure.

MP
MM
TH
Golden
Missing P
Neverwhere
DH
Llama

That means no votes from: (I think it likely that in this group we will fine more inactive civs, but maybe 1 baddie.)

DREAM
Elohcin
fingersplints
Hedgeowl
TinyBubbles

I also disagree that people with no compelling reason to vote are more likely bad. Civs have way less motivation than baddies to vote. A team creates social expectation of participation, is more organized, etc. than single civs or indies with no organization and penalty for missing a vote. Also, who have we lynched so far? low hanging fruit of inactive unhelpful civs, perfect baddie targets. Just sayin'

Well, as long as you're convinced the group that is most suspicious is the one without you in it, I'm not sure how anyone can possibly disagree with that logic.

Turnip Head wrote:Sorry guys, I have not taken this game seriously at all. Just pretend I'm on the sideline and that will helpfully narrow the field of people you need to be looking at in order to lynch a baddie today. I'm just here for the peace and quiet.

NO! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BRING POSTS TO THE THREAD, NOT DESTROY IT! IT WAS SAID YOU WOULD LYNCH NON PARTICIPATORS, NOT JOIN THEM!

Don't do it TH, I have the high ground

Hedgeowl wrote:I will say that the Nk targets are interesting. Someone is taking out the vets. I almost suspect Llama for his "omg my buddie died" schtick, but he and I have a horrible history of reading each other despite his HedgeBaddie nickname for me. But it makes me wonder who would be the ones to take out Roxy and LC? Roxy can read some people particularly well and I wonder who was so threatened by her.

Once upon a time and long ago, I was chewed out big time for commenting like such on the Night Kills. Since then, I have been psychologically programmed to be wary of anybody offering commentary that the NK targets are "odd" "weird" or "interesting". Hedgeping.

I'm not surprised to discover LC is good. He read that way to me. The paranoia in me goes 'was that kill DH, or to frame DH' - I feel sure it's one or the other.

I know that it is the latter, not the former. You see,"L"atter and "L"ast start with L. "F"ormer and "F"irst, start with F. I know this next bit is gonna sound a touch meta, but you made a whole meta post so I'm sure you'll appreciate this: I do not tend to NK people for going after me, to avoid this exact type of discussion. I am of the school of thought that I can handle a majority of the suspicion thrown at me by someone, and spirited in-thread defense over a long period of nights looks much better than a NK. Not to mention I was in the process of linking Eloh and LC together, as well as my vote for LC yesterday. Whomever it was that killed LC, if it was in fact even a frame job (Missing Persons has an alternate idea about why the kill took place), it was a poor one. Made by someone who does not understand my style.

Golden wrote:OK, thats less bad than I thought when I see it like that. But still, when someone is lynched with only 3 votes, 5 votes is a significant chunk. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of these were people who felt absolutely no compelling reason to vote. And that, at least, is one reason to feel sort of ok about TH (since I would find it hard to categorise ika's lynch as a save). But, I mean, with four baddies the results are far too easy to manipulate with so many people missing. I don't expect me can catch baddies unless we are all voting!

"No compelling reason to vote", or no comepelling reason to take a stand by picking into a civ lynch. Could be any number of the non-voting crew are too afraid, in a game like this, to hitch their wagon to any one suspect or lynch. No voting record means less to analyze, easier to blend in. They've also got a team of voters, so one vote won't break their bank. Just some devil-advocating.

thellama73 wrote: MovingPictures07
In like of Ika's flip, less happy here too. This post reeks of insincerity.

Yeah, that post pricked my ears way back up with MP. Way back in Day 1 he did one of the things I was watching for baddies to do, which was asking questions/directly engaging people with little or no posts left. His response to that was kind of "Doh, yeah oops.", but I let it go. Now the case against him grows, and I am happy to revisit that suspect.

TinyBubbles wrote:^i'm a good guy llama, also I'm gonna take your reading of MP on faith and vote him, I'm assuming you know his regular post style better I do. Sorry to everyone for not posting much BTW, just been busy and also am unsure what to contribute.

Then again, stuff like this sketches me out. A low-flying player, popping up to basically stroke llama's ego and vote immediately for MP.... smells off, but maybe I'm reading too deeply into it. Eye on Bub's for now.

linki: LOL MP's most recent post is the sketchiest he's been all game.

My suspects in no particular order:
MP (Sock)
Eloh
Hedge
Bubbles (?)

RIP LC. Sad to see you go, even sadder to see I was wrong in my assessment of you. My eye is firmly planted on Eloh for today's lynch, for simultaneously warning us that lynching non-contributors would be bad, and then voting for TH, a non-contributor. Doesn't add up.

I will have to re-read everyone else to get a better grip on them.

Good morning everyone! This is my last post, so I will try and make it count. First off, I have several things I want to address. Here goes:

LC - Are you fucking with me?

I didn't accuse you having a fear of being nightkilled

That's word for word what you said. You asked me if I was worried about being killed for saying I had thought of strategies to catch mafia.

Very little evidence indeed. So, you've got some big ideas of how to catch Mafia, eh? But wait, what if the baddies kill you for saying that? Aren't you - - worried about that?

Interesting plan, but I don't suspect you for lack of plan. You could have thought of that plan after I accused you, I have no way of knowing. My original judgment - that you were just trying to seed cred for yourself by mentioning a plan - still stands. And you're my most likely vote today. I know that kind of stubbornness must be frustrating, but I'd just rather be stubborn and wrong, than to back down when I was right. I'm sure you understand.

Ah I see. When I mentioned I had plans to catch mafia using the game's mechanics, you shat your pants and wanted to scare me into revealing those plans so you and your team could avoid doing the things I was watching out for? That's the only reason I can think of for you going from this:

So, what is it about Omertà Mafia that gave you not only one, but *a few* new strategies to try and catch Mafia? It's a pretty basic game, with the one big difference... talking about 4 posts per page, of course. So, I'm really interested how this setup has given you this number of ideas.

I'll lay it out because talk ain't cheap here. You are being dishonest about the ideas you say you have. It's a Mafia ploy. And that's terrible.

To this:

Interesting plan, but I don't suspect you for lack of plan. You could have thought of that plan after I accused you, I have no way of knowing. My original judgment - that you were just trying to seed cred for yourself by mentioning a plan - still stands

You're wrong, I don't understand how you could possibly spew that nonsense with a straight face. I don't need to use the four-posts mechanic to catch this mafia, folks.

Also, the asterisk was supposed to lead to me explaining, in a snarky way, that I was joking about you being terrible at catching mafia. I had typed up the post when the thread was locked in order to post in the next day phase and waffled between putting in the disclaimer or not. I was joking, though.

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Now for my next point of discussion: Eloh.

I'd bet money on Eloh being mafia.

Firstly, if I am right about LC, then this post makes more sense:

Elohcin wrote:I don't see the case on LC. As of right now, i am thinking civ on him and I don't see the waffling that Missing Person pointed out about him.

@ llama - can you tell me why you think LC is bad? I know he has a way of tricking me so if I'd like to hear your thoughts.

That reads to me as Eloh defending LC and then leaving the door open with the "oh but he could be tricking me" comment.

But perhaps the most damning thing about Eloh is this collection of posts:

I think it's very frustrating that Rico was civ. I mean, why come into a game and act like that and be lynched. Help out your team, man! Others who have not been contributing/helpful (Ika is who comes to my mind right off the bat), if you are civ, please be helpful with your posts and act like you care so we don't have another mislynch.

She implores those contributing less to...contribute more, which I agree with. She says that she is worried about the prospect of mislynching someone because they are not contributing. Makes a lot of sense, until you look at her other posts.

Elohcin wrote:So, DH, Llama, and Ika are on my radar. But then I decided to look back at TH's posts b/c of Golden and I encourage all of you to click on this link:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 8&sr=posts

I am voting TH today. I don't know how he thinks he can get away with posts like this in such a quiet game.

Eloh names 3, count 'em, 3 suspects before her vote on TH. Myself and Llama who have been contributing in different ways, and then Ika, a (sorry but its true) Non/low contributor. Further evidence that Eloh's suspicions and her votes are disingenuous. First she agreed with TH for a case he never made, and now she is voting for TH for not contributing EVEN THOUGH she expressed concern that lynching non-contributors would lead to continued mislynches as was the case with Rico. No me gusta. No me gusta MUCHO.

These are my two biggest pings, and my vote is likely to go to one of the two of them. If something fucky happens with the lynch and I have to vote for someone else I will explain myself after the night if I am able to, I guess.
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DharmaHelper0
DREAM XXXX
Elohcin 0
fingersplints XXX
Golden 0
Hedgeowl XXXX
ika XXX
Long Con XX
MetalMarsh89 XX
Missing Person XXX
MovingPictures07 XXX
Neverwhere XX
thellama73 X
TinyBubbles XXXX
Turnip Head X

Long Con wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:@LC - Firstly, I was put off by the rudeness of your post here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p145811

Having known you for some time I can get your sarcasm/jokes/ribbing, but Missing Person and some of these other players are playing with you for the first time, I expect? Maybe I’m reading too deeply into it, but you really fired back at Missing Person there, and I’m not sure it was called for.
First of all, I'm currently playing 90's Kids Mafia on Jesus Toast Mafia, hosted by Missing Person himself. He is a very involved host, and I now currently reside in the Dead Players' Area, where Missing Person is a high poster. I was and am pretty sure that MP could handle a little barb, and, well, I thought he handled it quite well:

Missing Person wrote:Oh snap, my first putdown on this site. I'm actually pretty aroused by this.
I LOL'ed.

And anyways, it wasn't even an insult. It was simply an analysis of the situation. Missing Person read my post and believed I had said that I was voting for DH for being too helpful. There are two reasons I can think of for that to happen: a) he read my post and didn't comprehend what I had said (aka a "reading comprehension issue"), or b) he understood what I meant just fine, and was trying to twist my words to make it look like I was flip-flopping. If he wants to let me know that it was Option B then I'll take back what I said, but I doubt he would admit to doing that. So... Option A, no insult, just an analysis of the situation. You're being too sensitive, DH. If it's rude to say that, then I claim an equal level of offence at being called a "flip-flopper". I do not respect flip-flopping, and it upsets me slightly to be accused of such a thing, especially when it's not even true.

And furthermore, I smiled when I said it. Like that. It's like a signal that says "This is friendly". If I was trying to be a dick, I would have used maybe.

As for your comments about me, I’ll forgive your obvious oversight, because you are historically bad at catching mafia compared to me*, but if I *TOLD* the mafia what I was looking for in order to catch them, they wouldn’t fucking do it would they, big guy? Am I worried about being NKed? No more so than I would be in any other game. I’m NKed more than lynched by a wide margin. I’m not going to let fear of being NKed affect my strategy though, and you should know that.
First of all, don't tell me what I "should know". It just makes me more suspicious of you. You don't know how I read you, how I analyze you, and how I remember your post play in games. You know how YOU do these things, but the things I know, remember, and analyze are not going to be the same as you. And I didn't accuse you having a fear of being nightkilled, I accused you of saying something that could make you a target to the Mafia without saying much else.

So you have a plan. Something up your sleeve. "A few ideas and strategies in order to try and catch mafia".

DharmaHelper wrote:An interesting game conceptually and one that will play counter to my usual strengths. I think that early-game will be particularly difficult, given that there will be very little evidence to go on (even less than a usual early-game.) I have a few ideas and strategies in order to try and catch mafia, so we'll see how that plays out. For now, I'll be carefully watching to see who is posting the least valuable information and go from there.
Your last sentence is almost ironic, given that this entire post really says nothing valuable.

So, what is it about Omertà Mafia that gave you not only one, but *a few* new strategies to try and catch Mafia? It's a pretty basic game, with the one big difference... talking about 4 posts per page, of course. So, I'm really interested how this setup has given you this number of ideas.

I'll lay it out because talk ain't cheap here. You are being dishonest about the ideas you say you have. It's a Mafia ploy. And that's terrible.

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Missing Person wrote:
Long Con wrote: but this one looks like a much more intentional misread of what I said. It's pretty clear that I think DH is bullshitting for some time or cred by saying he has some "ideas on how to catch Mafia" in this game, without actually saying any more. If that were true, then the Mafia would be smart to kill him before he gives his big ideas... so that would make it not smart of him to tell everyone that he's got those big ideas. But he did. He did because he's not afraid of being nightkilled. And there's only 3 players in the game that don't have to fear a nightkill.
+Insightful

Long Con wrote:... and this site does have Multiquote capabilities. When Replying, simply click "Quote" from the Topic Review below, and that post will slam on up into your reply within Quote tags. Not the most ideal multiquote, but it's better than nothing.
+A Double Insightful!
Missing Person, could you explain what +Insightful means? I'm not familiar with that.

I take it that it was accusatory. Is it shorthand that is meant to identify when Mafia add insight to the thread to try and seem Civ?

Long Con wrote:WTF is "Mafia in-thread communications"? Are you assuming the Mafia doesn't have BTSC, Missing Person? I've never seen that accusation before.
Mafia hiding out in the open, essentially. It's been done before as the "So obvious it's too obvious" play.

Indeed, a time-honoured tradition for the bold and evil. I'm not doing that though; I am a Civilian.[/quote]

Your explanation of the M. Person thing satisfies my curiosity. I didn't think you'd intentionally shit on somebody, but the post did come off differently without context than it does now that you've cleared some things up.

Also, when I said "you should know that," I meant "this is something you should keep in mind moving forward." Meaning, don't expect me to act timidly or hold back just because I might get nightkilled. A more complete and probably less confusing way to have phrased that would have been "That's something you should know/keep in mind moving forward."

Wrapping up, LC, I think this 4-Post mechanic actually makes for some really helpful ways to look for/sniff out mafia. Players who target those who are nearing the end of their 4-post limit, or bait others into meeting/exceeding their limit and getting penalty votes, for example. I'm not sure how you can in one breath condemn me for assuming anything about your thought process, and slam my thought process about finding baddies using the novelty of this game's set up.

Also, the baddies will be spending a significant amount of time in BTSC, chatting it up while the rest of us are locked out of the dang thread for a whole phase. I'm interested to see if this increase in interaction spills into the thread. These are just some of the ideas I had, thinking about the ways to flush out mafia using the mechanic of the 4-Post limit.

Anyway, you wanted to know, and you called me dishonest (which Epi did ad nauseam during Death Note, which really hit me in the gut for some reason), so now you know.

I realize this is my third post, but today was surprisingly scarce on content anyway, so my last post tomorrow will have to suffice in order to explain my suspicions and thoughts on the day, once everything has had time to develop and more people check in.

Elohcin wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Nobody's here.
That said, I can see your case on DH as having validity
???

This was stated right before he was lynched. Then right after the lynch, DH piggybacks by saying this.

DharmaHelper wrote:
Other Thoughts:
To clarify my Eloh vote, since I was rushed and had just woken up: I found her post to be suspicious because she said she thought TH’s case on me had merit, when TH hadn’t built anything close to resembling a case. He’d just voted for me.
I don't think he actually had a reason to vote me and he stole this later to justify his vote.

Anyway...looking back at TH's posts, I clearly made a mistake about who made the case on DH. I do remember reading one though .

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I justified my vote for you IN MY VOTE POST.

@LC - Firstly, I was put off by the rudeness of your post here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p145811

Having known you for some time I can get your sarcasm/jokes/ribbing, but Missing Person and some of these other players are playing with you for the first time, I expect? Maybe I’m reading too deeply into it, but you really fired back at Missing Person there, and I’m not sure it was called for.
As for your comments about me, I’ll forgive your obvious oversight, because you are historically bad at catching mafia compared to me*, but if I *TOLD* the mafia what I was looking for in order to catch them, they wouldn’t fucking do it would they, big guy? Am I worried about being NKed? No more so than I would be in any other game. I’m NKed more than lynched by a wide margin. I’m not going to let fear of being NKed affect my strategy though, and you should know that.

Other Thoughts:
To clarify my Eloh vote, since I was rushed and had just woken up: I found her post to be suspicious because she said she thought TH’s case on me had merit, when TH hadn’t built anything close to resembling a case. He’d just voted for me. Her saying that TH’s case on me had merit smelled like a cookie-cutter baddie type of post to me, and I wanted to put her on notice. I’ll be watching how Eloh chooses to post today for certain.
Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but I really do not get the heat being thrown at Golden. His last couple of posts read to me as genuine frustration as well, which was on one hand funny when considering his comments regarding MP’s emotional outbursts, but also an early indicator of actual frustration, which I can totally get. I think we’ve got much better things to worry about than Golden.

RIP Roxy and Rico, btw.

I just woke up, literally. I voted for Eloh. Her comment about TH's "Case" on me made no sense and reeked.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Oops, duly noted, DH. I totally forgot that asking questions will lose a lot of purpose here, I didn't even think of that while I asked it.

ika, why do you think that? (you don't have to answer in a separate post, I suppose)

This game is insanely restrictive to me; I can't handle it. I'll just post this one more time I guess and will have to post all of my reads and make my final vote with my last post.

It's not a problem. Actually the first thing I thought of when I saw the game mechanics was that my usual baddie hunting style would be cut off at the knees, lol. The 4-Post restriction definitely cuts down on conversation, but I'm confident that we can find a happy medium. As I said in my other post, MM basically forced himself into that situation, and so I don't suspect you for it as much as I would have if he'd had 3 or even 2 posts remaining.

I've decided to burn my 3rd post here, but I'm gonna milk it for all its worth. Ika is added to my list for similar reasons to MM/Rico. It seems like an odd observation to contribute, positing that LC is the Independent (A role civ's do not, as far as I can tell, need to lynch in order to win..) and the confrontation brewing between Missing Person and Ika is something to keep an eye on. I find it noteworthy that Ika is on Missing's scum list and that Ika then follows by accusing one of Missing's "town reads" of being the independent.

Editors note: I am trying to use as much of the "lingo" that our new members are familiar with as possible to ease the transition :P If I confuse anybody, I'm sorry.

The (actual) day is winding down, so this is likely to be my last post of the (actual) day. For anyone interested, here is a record of who has posted and how frequently they have done so:

A green X indicates remaining posts. A red number indicates how many votes a person has accrued for going over the post limit.
DharmaHelper XX
DREAM XXXX
Elohcin XXX
fingersplints XX
Golden XX
Hedgeowl XXXX
ika XXX
Long Con XXX
MetalMarsh89 1
Missing Person XXX
MovingPictures07 XX
Neverwhere XXXX
Ricochet XX
Roxy XXXX
thellama73 XX
TinyBubbles XXXX
Turnip Head XXXX

My thoughts at the end of today:

I do appreciate the work Golden has put in early, even if i is all "meta". I've been trying to focus on my gut reads more often recently, and my gut right now has Golden pegged as a civvie. (I guess you new dudes would call that townreading or leaning townread or something.) The immediate impression I got from his post was Roger Rabbit, which I read along with for the first few days.

I do not like Rico's posts so far. In a game such as this when every post counts, it pays to be as concise and helpful as possible. 50% of his legal posts out of the way and he's contributed dick. I also, and no surprise here, don't like what MM is up to for several reasons. I get the "having fun with it" angle, but what Rico/MM need to get a grip on is that their antics will have direct, negative effects on the civ chances. If they are mafia, they're doing some really funny and brilliant WIFOM right now with how they are acting, but if they are civ they are doing not just themselves a disservice. Drawing attention to themselves, and in MM's case actively making lynching a mafia more difficult (if he continues to post, which let's face it, he will, he could potentially lynch himself just by penalty.)

Just my two cents. I also caught a slight ping with MP actively engaging MM in conversation (and thereby either forcing MM to gain another vote or ignore a direct question), but MM dug that hole for himself so its nothing I can really blame MP for just yet. If he employs that tactic again in the future however, I will be watching him closely.

An interesting game conceptually and one that will play counter to my usual strengths. I think that early-game will be particularly difficult, given that there will be very little evidence to go on (even less than a usual early-game.) I have a few ideas and strategies in order to try and catch mafia, so we'll see how that plays out. For now, I'll be carefully watching to see who is posting the least valuable information and go from there.

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