Whoever asked me about Sorsha, I'm feeling better about her, but I don't understand her reasoning for anything in this game.
One of Lorab's posts pinged me, so I decided to do a reread, and didn't like what I found.
LoRab wrote:So after that lynch, this post from Glorf I'm reading in a different light:
Glorfindel wrote:I don't know if anyone has made this observation yet but I'll go ahead anyway - If someone has, please accept my most sincere apologies.
I was going back looking at MM's votes during his somewhat limited time with us and would like to make the following observations:
Day 1: MM's votes for Day 1 were on: Dr Wilgy (21) and Turnip Head (22). I obviously don't know MM as well as most of you but is it really THAT likely that he would've voted for TWO of his Nanman team mates on Day 1
From an outsider's perspective, I should think it somewhat unlikely - which on balance is a better look for TH. I'm happy to reconsider this if anyone would like to offer an alternate opinion.
Day 2: MM was the last to cast his votes for Dom (54) and Russtifinko (55). Prior to placing his votes, Russ was 'runner-up' wagon on 7 votes. The next highest wagon was timmer on 6 votes. So assuming MM's vote was a 'hail Mary' self preservation vote, wouldn't it have been more logical for him to have voted the next highest wagons (Russ and timmer) than to place his vote on Dom? Admittedly, timmer's last vote (6) was made immediately before MM's (by Nutella) but I wonder what conclusions could be drawn from that? The vote for Dom was on a slow burn from the beginning of the Day phase (starting on vote (5) and followed by votes (9), (13), (23) and (43). In comparison, timmer's vote was meteoric - picking up 6 votes in a matter of hours (votes (26), (31), (33), (41), (48) and (53). If self preservation were his goal, I'd have thought MM would've voted timmer before Dom
It looks like a whole bunch of smoke and mirrors to get people to turn away from TH and towards Russ. I know this post was influential in m own thinking about Timmer. I can't help but wonder if this wasn't the push of a baddie to get a lynch train going at the top of the hill so that it could speed up on its own.
More suspish of TH now. Starting to be suspish of Glorf.
Can someone summarize why people are suspicious of Sorsha?
I don't like this one because, for one thing, we have no idea of either TH or Glorfindel's status, so it feels unconvincing to me that this is a save attempt. Possible, of course, I don't see it though. In addition, Lorab cites this very post as a reason why she voted Timmer (elsewhere she called it "a good case" and "good pickup and analysis"), yet now suspects Glorfindel for it after the fact. I tend to find people who propose a wrong theory less suspicious than people who go, "Yeah, that sounds good," and even more suspicious than that are people who go along with it, then claim it was suspicious after it was disproven, as if the guilt rests entirely with the original case maker.
I also feel some of her points re: TH are weak:
LoRab wrote:Turnip Head wrote:Well first of all, if I may say, RUDE. I really thought you guys were gonna do it. I really did.
I have read everything.
So I don't have time to respond point by point to each of my accusers from yesterday, but the first major talking point seemed to be about my banter with MM to start the game and I mean yeah, in light of the Wilgy business I can definitely see why that's worth looking into, believe me. But it seems that no one considered the fact that, ever since MM and I became shinigami bros in Death Note Mafia, we mayormaynot vote for each other
in
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So, I mean yeah, obviously you have to look into this after MM and Wilgy took turns pulling the WIFOM wagon, but the truth is that this is just a thing that MM and I do, pretty fucking often, and I'm surprised no one has ever noticed it before
(And to the person who said we caught MM for WIFOM so it might work with me too, I would argue that MM's WIFOM alone isn't what got him lynched - at least it wasn't for me. MM slipped. He voted Wilgy as prefect and then he also voted for him Day 1. And then he couldn't come up with any plausible answer for why. That's why I voted for him, and I'm sure it factored into many other's thought processes too; JJJ first and foremost, as he was the one who initially brought it up. For you to then reduce that case to "WIFOM"... I'll bet Jay was rolling in his grave and MM and Wilgy were high-fiving each other in Hell.)
The second point that I noticed that was common among my accusers was "He's rubbing me the wrong way" "He refuses to answer my questions." And to that I say... so what?
There's more than one way to scumhunt, and one of those ways is not answering questions that I feel don't need answering. In pretty much every game I will do something "completely unhelpful" such as not answering someone's question directed at me and inevitably someone always gets upset when it's
their question. The truth of the matter is Scotty, I didn't feel like answering your question because your question was so far removed from what I was trying to do, that it ended up being more fun to just fuck with you a little bit. Call that unhelpful if you want, but it's not like I'm not trying to be helpful in other ways. I'll say again that there's more than one way to play a good civ game, and sometimes that means playing the slow burn. Some people like JJJ and Ricochet come out here displaying their beautiful civvie feathers and they get taken out before the game even gets interesting. I'd argue that the only players who are worried about "looking weird" are the baddies, and they try to avoid it, because look what happens. Lynch the weirdos during the Day and take out the rational overt civvies at Night. It's a baddie formula that has worked since the dawn of time.
Anyways, to actually be RIGHT about MM this early in the game, only to get silenced by his team the next Day, then taking 5 votes and almost being sent to a duel despite not being able to say a word, only to survive and now have to face the mob of "HE WAS SAVED!!!!" ... it's as if it's all going according to my devious plan. I'm just as shocked as anyone to see I wasn't lynched the way those votes flew in at me in the eleventh hour. You know how much civ cred any of my teammates could have potentially gotten from sealing my fate while I was
silenced?! I'd have told them to fucking take that free civvie card, because that kind of cover almost NEVER comes around. So yeah, if you want to now go after the "He was saved", well, you go on ahead with that, since I guess I can't really defend how anyone else played yesterday, and I certainly have no content of my own to point towards from yesterday, on account of being silenced and all
I've got some thoughts about specific people that I wanted to pursue, but I needed to get all that off my chest tonight.
I'm not convinced.
You mischaracterize the accusations on you.
It wasn't just voting for MM, it was about you buddying up before that. And his voting for you for prefect. And where you commented that you were his only neutral lead and hahaha, maybe you're teammates.
First of all, no one is saying you were saved--or maybe someone did and I missed it. Can you point out where that was brought up? You put that out there when it isn't even what's happening in the thread. You weren't lynched because it was realized you were silenced. And the votes for you didn't come at the elevnth hour--they were coming in throughout. You're painting the last lynch in a way that it didn't happen.
Also, you seem like an odd choice to have been silenced. And how do you know who silenced you? Yes, there is a silencer on MM's team, but there are also plenty of secrets in both civvie and baddie roles.
It honestly seems more plausible to me that your own team silenced you than to think that MM's teammates silenced you.
I'm sorry, but I'm just not buying you as civ at this point.
Linkitis: Keep in mind, I was days behind, and read things with the knowledge of later lynches (because I read those posts right away). So, in reading Day 1, I already knew that MM was bad. It was in reading your day 1 posts that I started to suspect you. They just didn't ring true and read like a baddie bantering with a teammate in the thread.
The enlarged points read to me like Lorab has already focused in on TH and is looking for more reasons to justify it. She says that the banter in this game is different from previous games, and thus may be indicative of them being teammates, but this means that A. they have a particular banter style when not teammates as when they are, and B. that the banter as teammates would necessarily involve them publicly declaring their teaminess. I don't even know whether the former is true, and don't take it for granted that a different style of banter indicates their being on a team.
The other point, that TH would be an unlikely choice for silencing, feels forced. Occam's razor suggests that Meng Huo was the silencer; that Lorab calls into question TH's assertion of this point is odd considering the alternative is a potential secret silencing power. It feels like subtle undermining of TH's credibility. She then says that he would be an unlikely target and thus was more likely targeted by his own teammates. Considering that by my count TH had 64 posts at the time of his silencing, I see no reason he should be an unlikely target for silencing. Again, it feels like trying to make the facts fit the narrative.
Add the fact that Lorab did not vote for either confirmed baddie to date, and all of this is to say, I'm likely voting Lorab today.
You make a good point that she didn't vote you yesterday, though if she is bad she'd need Timmer gone anyway.
