Scotty wrote:Do we think that any of Nero's teammates would have jumped on him early without provacation?
Looking through some people that voted sig, I'm finding DFaraday fishy.
DFaraday wrote:Scotty wrote:Question to my voters yesterday (Dom, Mac, juliets, and DFaraday):
How likely are you to vote for me again tomorrow at this point in time?
Hypothetically if you don't vote for me, who would your vote go to right now?
1. Moderately unlikely. I don't agree with your stance, and it still feels unhelpful to the town, but I was in a hurry and slightly pinged by it. If any stronger suspicions arise I'll be voting for them instead.
2.
Maybe Nerolunar, since his recent posts sounded like he was trying to encourage suspicion on SVS for missing the vote.
This is the first time he mentions Nero, bringing him up as a suspect early on when he hadn't much of any heat. This is the one thing that goes in DFaraday's favor. Why mention Nero, out of all the people her could have named as a potential suspect?
Because he seemed shady. I'm not really analyzing players in depth this game, mainly just going by what strikes me.
DFaraday wrote:Matt wrote:Nerolunar wrote:Why would anyone try to engage discussion on what their role does? Almost nobody joined me, but I can´t see how that would have benefitted me at all if I was the Riddler, maybe except the possibility that you guys would have thought that I was not the Riddler.
I think it is a vague read for "Top priority lynch".
Knock knock.
Who's there?
Well
Well who?
Well, I don't even believe you to be the Riddler anymore based on Enrique's insane magical case where I am "bad because I targeted the Joker but you're not worth looking at despite saying I think we should lynch you", I believe you to be mafia, on Enrique's team.
Enrique did say it's possible Nero is the Joker. And if you were lynched and came back as a role with a night targeting ability, that would certainly lend credence to the Nero-as-Joker theory.
I do think the numbers heavily suggest that Matt is not a civ, especially since nobody seems to be silenced, meaning Montoya is an unlikely explanation.
This is where DFaraday seems like he might be defending a bit.
Nero complains that he isn't the Riddler. Matt comes in and calls out Nero to be mafia. Then DFaraday swoops in and brings up Enrique's theory that Nero might be the joker BUT BUT BUT then does a good job of waving the carrot on a stick back over to Matt during Day 2, suggesting Matt isn't town, and should be lynched to see if Nero is really the joker.
Ignoring Matt's claim that Nero is mafia instead of the Joker/Riddler.
Honestly, I thought the best way to get some leads instead of going in endless circles was to just lynch one of them and see what happens. I didn't want to say that because it sounds like a terrible strategy, and probably is.
DFaraday wrote:MacDougall wrote:
"That is a great idea. That way if someone targets him, then they will immediately know that who they targeted is the Joker and whenever they start posting in curses in the thread, everybody else will also know that they targeted The Joker... making it easy for them to lynch The Joker!"
Not that easy, since we're still debating whether that's even how the role works, and if that is what happened and Nero is the Joker, he's not as much of a prime lynch target right now as you would suggest.
As far as I can tell, these are the most plausible solutions based on what we know of roles and game mechanics:
1. Matt is a baddie/Inmate and targeted the Joker, getting cursed as a result.
2. Matt is Harvey Bullock or Batman and tracked the Joker, getting cursed as a result.
3. Matt is Harvey Bullock and tracked Nero, finding Nero to be a baddie/Inmate, but was then cursed by some other role.
As it stands, I find option number 1 the most likely statistically, but I'd be open to exploring number 3.
Matt: Why do you suspect Nero?
DFaraday keeps with this Joker theory, offering scenarios that Matt could be using to find Nero bad, but settling on the "statistics" that Matt is probably Bad.
"Matt: Why do you suspect Nero?" Is the grandstanding question he uses to size Matt up. I think this could be because DFaraday knew Nero was bad, and wanted to figure out how Matt knew.
I asked him that because his reason for suspecting Nero would help us figure out what was going on. If it was based on something that happened at night, I'd have felt even more strongly about the Joker possibility, but if was due to thread based evidence, I'd think better of Matt.
DFaraday wrote:a2thezebra wrote:I am shocked that people are choosing to vote for Nerolunar - a player who none of us are very familiar with - over sig, who is clearly demonstrating his baddie meta moreso than his civ meta, and who has openly advocated what the host has said is not in our best interest, even voicing suspecion (and because of this, pressured) of those who didn't follow his lead. I don't see how anything Nerolunar has done tops this, especially since we are unfamiliar with his meta.
I do have a bit of suspicion of Nero, but it seems like a lot of people are just jumping on him because it's convenient, which is seeming shady to me. If anything, Sig's recent comments are making me feel worse about him (I had no real opinion of him before).
DFaraday uses zebra's defense of Nero as a springboard. He says he's sorta suspicious of Nero, but puts the blame on the bandwagoners and the "convenience" of his vote. Throwing them under the bus even before the result of Nero's alignment. To further distance, he comes out of nowhere with a 'sig's comments make me feel like he's bad'.
I wasn't calling them out for their suspicion of Nero, I was calling them out for offering no real reason for their votes and blatantly just following the popular trend. I call that out in a lot of games, and in recent games have made it a point not to vote for popular options if I feel another case is better, regardless of the number of votes that player has. If that had been happening to someone else I would have brought it up as suspect just the same.
While we're at it, I'm still pinged by Sorsha and Juliet's votes. They felt super coattail-riding.
DFaraday wrote:LoRab wrote:a2thezebra wrote:LoRab wrote:
Or are you just coming in, looking at the poll, reading someone's posts who has the most votes (and not the discussion about them), and deciding based on that?
And so you haven't seen me accuse you of making a really odd post that I really don't see how it could have come from an honest place.
Why Nero? Is that what your teammates told you to do?
That said, I'm voting Nero, as well.
What you're talking about here is literally what you just did.
No, it's not. I've mentioned my suspicions before, and have been considering a Nero vote since yesterday.
I have been reading the thread.
I don't think I've ignored anyone who has mentioned me.
So, I haven't actually done any of the things that I've described Bubbles doing.
Looking back over your posts, the only thing you said about Nero was that he might be the Joker, since Matt was hinting at that. Except Matt has denied claiming Nero as the Joker, and you haven't cited any reasons since for still suspecting Nero.
*Voting sig*, since I think he looks worse right now, but LoRab isn't making me feel too good at this point.
He gets on LoRab's case for only claiming Matt is the Joker. Which is calling the kettle black, because that's ALL DFaraday has done concerning Nero.
This is a misrepresentation of my post. I pointed out that she had only briefly mentioned Nero specifically because she said she was looking at other players, and she singled out Nero as someone she's been considering. My point was to show that her suspicion of Nero and consideration of voting him was not apparent from her posts in the game, and it felt like she was trying to create the illusion of focusing on other players when she really had been more Bubbles-focused than she was claiming. This has nothing at all to do with my thoughts on Nero, which admittedly were not all that deep.
"Matt has denied claiming Nero as the Joker" -oh, so now he's giving credence to Matt's suggestions?
I thought it was pingy that LoRab only had one point to bring up against Nero, and it's the one that Matt denied. So while I was open to that possibility myself, I thought that LoRab mentioning just the one point without considering the other possibilities surrounding them felt like she was just picking something which stood out, even though Matt himself suggested other options.
"you haven't cited any reasons since for still suspecting Nero" -defending again.
How is that defending Nero? I was calling LoRab out for saying she's been suspecting Nero without actually sharing much of that supposed suspicion. It wasn't about whether Nero was innocent, it was about LoRab's suspicion (or lack thereof).
He finally settles on sig, but not before feeling suspicious of LoRab, for doing exactly what he was doing.
Again, I was not suspicious of LoRab for doing things I was doing. If she wanted to consider the Joker angle, fine. I think I made abundantly clear that that was not what was suspicious about LoRab to me.
Nero's team wanted sig dead.
I dunno guys, I don't think DFaraday is looking good from my standpoint.
