The Syndicate

I'd like to use the Chun Qiu Annals to make the History of the Han description public.

So nobody tried to NK me the entire game? That was the main reason I was excited to be Dong Zhuo in the first place. :P

I'm surprised none of the civvies seemed to really take their own win conditions into account, everyone pretty much played it as civvies vs. baddies. I wonder if Epi anticipated that or more faction consideration.

indiglo wrote: Also, there were so many moments when I was expecting a reprimand from Epi for being blatantly obvious in my posts. I apologize if I did not play my info role well, I don't recall ever having a role like this before, so I tried to balance being a team player for my civs with not breaking the game. I also want to apologize again to you, DF. I know it sucks to be in that position. You handled it with class, grace and aplomb my friend!

No worries! Though I would have tried killing you next if I hadn't died, just for putting me in that position. :P

So Zuo Ci didn't have any info? Because the way he talked made it sound like he had concrete reasons for believing a bunch of people were civ.

I'm seriously so mad how the last couple of phases went, but congratulations winners. You weavers of mats. And great game, Epi.

Aragorn wrote:
Boomslang wrote:I feel like I'm being set up. Literally the last post of the previous day was Scotty calling me out for a rushed vote, and then he gets NK'd. Of course that's going to throw suspicion my way.

And I realized that we didn't finish our inactive hunting—we need to vote Aragorn. Jan was absent from Day 3 through Day 12 before Aragorn took over. There's also some negative back-and-forth between Aragorn and Scotty buried in Day 13, long enough ago that he might have thought able to get away with the NK now.
I always find inactive hunting as distraction. There was (a very tiny amount of) discussion between myself and Scotty, but I don't see how you would come to the conclusion that I'd want him dead over it.

I commend you for still trying to actually play the game instead of going along with the vouch fest that is the rest of this day's comments. I'm never a fan of games devolving into "I'm just really sure about him, guys!" Especially when I end up on the short end of the stick. Pity party over.

Boomslang and Simon.

I finally just figured out why Indiglo probably is so sure of Ninja. If that's the case, it still doesn't tell me Ninja's faction though. Come to think of it this whole game we haven't really considered factions, even though they are vital to endgame.

I will likely vote Boom, since as he's the only other person whom nobody is vouching for he could very well be the SK, and as for my other vote, maybe Mata. I'd consider Aragorn too, except Zuo Ci seems to be sure of him.

indiglo wrote:Yes Zou, I'm willing to be a team player here. I do hope I have shown that, and I thank you also for your willingness to do so. I am trying very hard to be super stubborn this game and will do my best to continue. It is very, very hard for me to let go of my suspicion of the clever fish. As you know it has been plaguing me for a number of days now. I will do my best to tamp that down for yet another day, if that is what you need.

I do think it is most likely Boom that we need to defeat, and I do feel that it is less likely to be DFaraday, but I could be wrong (though, just ask Dex, that hardly EVER happens ). Yes, let's work together and figure this out.

I would vote with you again today, Zou, as I did yesterday, with a bit of reluctance and hesitation.

I am feeling some super teamwork happening here, and I am loving it! Let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya, and then figure out who to mercilessly force into a duel to the death.

It's hard to want to sing Kumbaya when everyone seems to want to put me up to duel. :P

So far, the only people I feel really confident about are Indiglo, because apparently she has info on Ninja, and Ninja, because apparently Indiglo has info on her.

Quin feels very civ to me, though I don't have anything to support that feeling. Anyone else is a viable option, though I'm not sure if Simon would have sent in a kill, or if he would have killed Scotty first.

Scotty wrote:Well I sure hope y'all are right about nijuu or else she is a warrior who can defeat leetic.

Does the game keep going if SK is activated? I would assume that would count as a LMS type of thing then

The front page says the three kingdoms need the Nanman, the YT, and Dong Zhuo dead, so I think it keeps going until they are all eliminated.

And I do want to point out that we're all kind of taking it for granted that leetic is the last YT (which is most likely), but until that's proven to be the case I don't think we should assume it to be true.

Zuo Ci wrote:The choice is simple, and it is done.

Zuo Ci is a wise spirit.

If the Nanman haven't been taken out, it seems likely that the last member is inactive as well. Either way, leetic is a good candidate for YT, and I still feel Ninja is as well.

Boomslang wrote:I think Zuo Ci's analysis of leetic is spot-on. If we remove the last of the completely inactives, we can close the book on that entire line of reasoning for the identity of the YTs. I'll be placing a vote there today.

As for my other vote, I feel like a lot of my suspects are still in the poll. Blooper, Simon, Bass... Mac's desperation and rapid posting read as genuine to me; I can't see a baddie drawing all that attention to himself, especially in a game where inactives have gotten to coast so easily. Which leads me to question indiglo for continuing to jump down his throat. Will do some reading of that tomorrow.

Not really. Simon has been so absent and non-contributory that I don't think it would be a stretch at all if he's not sending in kills. And given how late Aragorn and Indiglo subbed in, if they were YT it would certainly be wise not to submit kills for the time being.

I guess it doesn't matter now anyway, but I'm sticking with Mac and Ninja.

indiglo wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
indiglo wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I could be way off base, but I'm getting the impression that Mac is Lu Bu. The non-Mafia aligned comment, how he put forth a theory on Lu Bu (and people do like to talk about their own roles), plus the fact that he beat a warrior yesterday and is confident about dueling again. If that's the case, I wouldn't be opposed to voting that way again.

On a side note, assuming there were no voting shenanigans yesterday, nobody who voted Bullz can be Wu.
I'm pretty sure Mac is Nan. We should still vote there, and simply ignore his protestations (as Zou put it).

On the side note, I looked into that possibility as well. There was no other 2nd place contender close enough to make a call about who is Wu that voted Bullz. Bullz had 8 votes total, and the next closest opponent was Ninja/Blooper with only 2 votes. So, some of those 8 could definitely have been Wu. But I like where your mind is at.
I'm dumb. For some reason I was thinking of it as a tie situation in the lynch, which is weird because this game has been going for so long. Forget my comment about the Wu then. And forget my comment about Bullz being a Warrior, I don't know where my head was at when I was posting earlier.

I assume the one who strides is Aragorn, otherwise known as Strider.
Ah, thank you for the clarification on Aragorn. This is my first time meeting him, so I don't yet know his other monikers. That's how I found out who Blooper was in a game. You crazy kids and your crazy nicknames.

I meant the character Aragorn is introduced as Strider in Lord of the Rings.

indiglo wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I could be way off base, but I'm getting the impression that Mac is Lu Bu. The non-Mafia aligned comment, how he put forth a theory on Lu Bu (and people do like to talk about their own roles), plus the fact that he beat a warrior yesterday and is confident about dueling again. If that's the case, I wouldn't be opposed to voting that way again.

On a side note, assuming there were no voting shenanigans yesterday, nobody who voted Bullz can be Wu.
I'm pretty sure Mac is Nan. We should still vote there, and simply ignore his protestations (as Zou put it).

On the side note, I looked into that possibility as well. There was no other 2nd place contender close enough to make a call about who is Wu that voted Bullz. Bullz had 8 votes total, and the next closest opponent was Ninja/Blooper with only 2 votes. So, some of those 8 could definitely have been Wu. But I like where your mind is at.

I'm dumb. For some reason I was thinking of it as a tie situation in the lynch, which is weird because this game has been going for so long. Forget my comment about the Wu then. And forget my comment about Bullz being a Warrior, I don't know where my head was at when I was posting earlier.

I assume the one who strides is Aragorn, otherwise known as Strider.

I could be way off base, but I'm getting the impression that Mac is Lu Bu. The non-Mafia aligned comment, how he put forth a theory on Lu Bu (and people do like to talk about their own roles), plus the fact that he beat a warrior yesterday and is confident about dueling again. If that's the case, I wouldn't be opposed to voting that way again.

On a side note, assuming there were no voting shenanigans yesterday, nobody who voted Bullz can be Wu.

MacDougall wrote:Faraday how do you get a civ read on Bass?

He kept pushing the desire to duel so hard that I have a hard time believing a baddie would invite being up for lynching like that. I don't see anything suspicious in his voting record either.

nijuukyugou wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I did a reread over Dom and Boomslang and reviewed their votes (all of the above, incidentally, is extremely tedious and time-consuming; it's one of the reasons I don't like case building, along with not wanting to die). Anyway, I feel alright about Dom, but if I had to guess a baddie alignment, I'd say Nanman; he makes very little mention of any of the Nanman and didn't vote for any of them as far as I can see; he did briefly suspect MP and voted Daisy, so I think it's less likely he's YT. But either way, I don't have a strong suspicion of Dom.

As for Boom, I slightly amend my earlier statement regarding him and Mac; I'd slightly prefer voting Mac. Upon review, I noticed that Boom voted MM on Day 1 as well as Day 2, and was the first to vote INH on his lynch. That does it a bit less likely that he's Nanman.

I still believe that Mac isn't a baddie per se, but rereading his exchanges with Dom and others really struck me by his wording. He framed the case against him only within the terms of him being on a baddie team, specifically referred to himself as "non-mafia aligned", and seemed particularly interested in Lu Bu. I'm thinking Mac is indy, and as far as I can tell, all of the Indies are or can be bad news.

My list as it stands (before analyzing Quin, Indiglo, Mata, Bass, Scotty, and Ninja):

Scotty (pretty heavily anti-Nanman at least, seems legit)
Quin
Indi
Mata
Bass
Dom
Boom
Bullz
leetic
Simon
Aragorn
Mac (as an Indy)
Ninja (I still think she's bad news)
Oh yeah? Why?

DFaraday wrote: I'm considering a Ninja vote, for purely circumstantial reasons. She voted Russ on the day MP was lynched, explaining that she thought he wanted to duel. Given the timing of the vote, it could be an easy reason to vote the next viable option besides a teammate.

I think you could very well be a YT, voting to try to save MP early on, then becoming inactive enough to stop sending in kills. And on the occasions you do post, you make no attempt at contributing or analysis, which is a bad look too.

I'm going to go ahead and vote Mac and Ninja.

I did a reread over Dom and Boomslang and reviewed their votes (all of the above, incidentally, is extremely tedious and time-consuming; it's one of the reasons I don't like case building, along with not wanting to die). Anyway, I feel alright about Dom, but if I had to guess a baddie alignment, I'd say Nanman; he makes very little mention of any of the Nanman and didn't vote for any of them as far as I can see; he did briefly suspect MP and voted Daisy, so I think it's less likely he's YT. But either way, I don't have a strong suspicion of Dom.

As for Boom, I slightly amend my earlier statement regarding him and Mac; I'd slightly prefer voting Mac. Upon review, I noticed that Boom voted MM on Day 1 as well as Day 2, and was the first to vote INH on his lynch. That does it a bit less likely that he's Nanman.

I still believe that Mac isn't a baddie per se, but rereading his exchanges with Dom and others really struck me by his wording. He framed the case against him only within the terms of him being on a baddie team, specifically referred to himself as "non-mafia aligned", and seemed particularly interested in Lu Bu. I'm thinking Mac is indy, and as far as I can tell, all of the Indies are or can be bad news.

My list as it stands (before analyzing Quin, Indiglo, Mata, Bass, Scotty, and Ninja):

Scotty (pretty heavily anti-Nanman at least, seems legit)
Quin
Indi
Mata
Bass
Dom
Boom
Bullz
leetic
Simon
Aragorn
Mac (as an Indy)
Ninja (I still think she's bad news)

Scotty wrote:I think Boomslang is as good a candidate as any for the Nanman. Indiglo mentioned some things that Boom doesn't look good in.
And maybe Mac. He disappeared from day 8 to...uh...some time recently. Someone started talking about him in day 12 I think it was, and he was there to regurgitate some snark. So he is paying attention, but only soooo much.

Would it be more prudent to keep voting for Nanman scum since we are relatively safe from YT kills for now, or so it would seem? I could very well vote for Mac and Boom.

I'm still torn between DF and Dom as secondary candidates for Nanman. They're both just sneaking by.

And yo, DF, this isn't an attack on your inactivity- since I know you don't appreciate that being a legitimate suspicion, but this game, the best adjective I can use to describe you is "blendy". I've mentioned this before, but either it's a scumtell or a civ tactic to last longer into the game. I just can't tell which. Either way, I can't remember the contributions you've made towards actual scum hunting. I just can't remember. I'm like Dory. (I'm blue)

I made a whole case on LoRab, and pushed it more than once. It turned out to be completely wrong, but I still did it.

Now that we're down to a smaller pool I can look over everyone more closely. It's hard for me to devote the energy to analyzing everyone when there are 30 other players around, but I'll give my reads on the remaining players later this phase.

Regarding the two picks you mentioned, I think Boom would be a better option than Mac. I think Mac's early vote on Wilgy is a good look for him not being Nanman. Boomslang did vote for MM, but it came late enough that MM was pretty much a lock to duel, so I think it's more plausible that Boom was bussing a teammate than Mac.

Voting Lorab and Ninja. My suspicions haven't changed.

Epignosis wrote:
Aragorn is replacing Jan.

What exactly is the case on Mac? He voted for Wilgy, which makes it unlikely he's Nanman, and his feud with MP early on felt too real to be staged, so he's probably not YT.

indiglo wrote:I plan to begin my reading just a bit tonight, and then do more tomorrow due to "time" and "scheduling".

Anyway, I have to ask, (since I'm new here) when did this determination to get rid of all the inactives take such a firm hold on everyone's thinking? I understand that the remaining Yellow, or Indy with the Yellow NK seems to be inactive, but there is only 1 (or 2) of them, while the Nan have stayed active, and there are more of them remaining? Yet no one seems to be looking for them? Everyone just seems to plow ahead on the inactives. I'm genuinely curious here, not judging.

I've suspected Lorab as one for days, but until now, nobody has seemed to consider her as a viable lynch option. But I think people are focusing on the YTs because we seem closer to figuring out who the last one is, and we need them dead as well.

I went with Dunny and Ninja. I don't think we should discount Ninja and Simon when discussing inactives. They have been absent enough that missed kills wouldn't be a surprise, and I have thought Ninja looked bad for awhile anyway.

LoRab wrote:
Yes, I went back and forth on Glorf. I don't see how that makes me suspicious. I believed him, voted to lynch a civ; with that new knowledge, changed my mind about how I perceived the nature of his post. That's it, really.

And going after TH and continually listing reasons that I suspect him, even if they aren't the same as what you would find suspicious, is what I mean by tunneling. When I suspect someone, yes, most of their behavior I see as bad. And yes, I point out all sorts of things that other players don't see as suspicious. And yes, I do see that as tunneling. At least that's how I use the term. So, I apologize for forgetting part of your post.

You seem convinced that I'm bad, and I don't think I'm going to change your mind. You will see that you are wrong (unless you are falsely accusing me as a baddie).

Well, that's a fair response. I'm not by any means convinced you're civ, but this does help a bit.

Matahari wrote: Dunny dueled INH, INH lost the duel. He was a Nanman warrior. If Dunny won, then I'm going to assume he was also a warrior, and they had the same odds of winning. If Dunny was a warrior, he would be a civ warrior, or he would be Jinhuan Sanjie, a warrior teammate of INH, or Lu Bu, alignment unknown. In the discussion about voting Dunny again, I'm thinking he has 2 shots at being a mafia warrior, and more chances of being a civ warrior. So- I'm not sure whether I want to vote him again. I don't know, maybe someone has good reasoning for selecting Dunny, and I will appreciate any input on decisions for dueling.

Why are you assuming that? For all we know, INH rolled a 1.

I'm considering a Dunny vote, especially given that Zuo Ci seems to feel pretty strongly about him.

Scotty wrote: Wait, where was this canon? I don't think we know that at all. Did I miss something?

D'oh, you're right. Given that he voted decisively in MP's lynch and was killed by the Nanman, I just got it into my head that he was civ.

LoRab wrote:Kidnapped again. Meh.

I need to go back and check who mentioned me early on both times I was silenced, as I think it was perhaps purposeful.

I'm not bad. I may have unpopluar points of view and I may be stubborn as shit about them. But that's me being me. Yes, I voted INH late. Because that's when I got online. And I saw that there had been good points made about him. No, I hadn't mentioned him before. He was slightly pingy in the back of my brain for running for prefect and disappearing, but it was a dull and minor ping, and was never relevant enough (or pingy enough) to mention.

That seems to be the basic gist of the case against me. If there is anything else, let me know.

I mean, I made a whole case on you before that wasn't about tunneling.

Since it's absurdly long, I'll just link it here. The basic reason is in response to this train of events:

Glorf presents a case on Timmer
Lorab: That's a convincing case *votes Timmer*
Timmer turns out to be civ
Lorab: It was all a baddie ploy, Glorf is bad!

Going along with the case, then immediately (literally, her very next post) turning around and going after the guy who presented it when it turns out to be incorrect struck me as very shady, even more so now that we know Glorf was civ.

In addition, as I outlined in my earlier post, Lorab was not only tunneling TH, she was, in my opinion, twisting the facts to fit her case on him. The fact that she keeps saying the only case on her is for tunneling (as she also did here)only makes me more suspicious of her.

Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:The daisy vote seems to be coming from the mindset that the YT's are inactive as opposed to dead, which I'm not too fond of but I'm not going to fault it.

I'm okay with a sig vote, but what's the case against Dunny?
I'm not fond of it either, and look with suspicion upon the person pushing it, who mostly seems to be Scotty, who I already didn't trust. I think Scotty is YT.

Even when we had known YT's alive, their kill rate was low. I think there is some pre-condition to be met for their kill to go through.

The Turbans are already at a numbers disadvantage to begin with, I doubt they'd have a prerec on top of that. I think it's more likely they just haven't been sending them in. I'm going to go ahead and vote Lorab and Daisy.

That's some pretty unhelpful behavior from Daisy. And, as Scotty said, she does fit the bill for a Turban.

I'll vote later, but right now I'm most likely going with Lorab and Daisy.

Scotty looks pretty good to me now that INH flipped bad. I kind of doubt he's YT though, since the Turbans haven't killed the last 3 nights, and I don't see Scotty being neglectful (unless the Turbans just have terrible luck). I'm starting to suspect the remaining Turbans might be inactives at this point.

Scotty wrote:Oh, and for a change of pace...

I think LoRab's vote yesterday looks weak as hell. She had not mentioned INH before placing her pile-on vote.

What say you, Golden?

I've long thought Lorab was shady. Most of her votes have had little reasoning, and she seems to tag along with popular trains of thought for the most part. Her suspicions of Glorfindel and Mac seemed legitimate though.

Golden wrote:I trust Zuo Ci.

I do as well, but I don't know as he would be so blatant as to vote two baddies, if he does indeed know everyone's roles. I'm going to stick with Ninja and put the other on Dunny, just to see if it pans out.

Scotty wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
nutella wrote:Quin, I'm not sure why you think I'm "potential nanman," and to be honest I don't really understand how you arrived at most of your list (I kind of get the Dom and TH part I guess). Could you elaborate? What makes you think I could be nanman based on those posts and taking my voting record into account?
I'm just quoting because I also want to hear more from Quin about this. I haven't seen anything particularly suspicious from you.

I'm also not sure of the reasoning behind not wanting to vote for people who have dueled before. Sure, they get prizes, but I kind of doubt the prizes are boosts to help them win more duels; that seems a little broken. Having said that, I don't plan on voting Bass as I'm reading him civ at this point.
I've disagreed with pretty much everything you have said this game or your votes and haven't really given you any heat because I deemed it as a confused civ. I just don't know if you're just that or are just bad.

Voting for those that have already dueled is not the problem at the root. It's he pattern of the people continually getting up to duel shouldn't be dueling if there is we think they aren't bad. And that's why I was trying to get at: I don't think Bass is bad. i haven't seen the merit in Bass's suspicions and I think he has handled himself well in the wake of his duels.

That makes sense, I suppose; it seemed like other people just didn't want to send anyone to duel twice on principle.

And sorry you feel that way about me. Though why should me disagreeing with you throughout the game mean I'm either bad or a confused civ?

nutella wrote:Quin, I'm not sure why you think I'm "potential nanman," and to be honest I don't really understand how you arrived at most of your list (I kind of get the Dom and TH part I guess). Could you elaborate? What makes you think I could be nanman based on those posts and taking my voting record into account?

I'm just quoting because I also want to hear more from Quin about this. I haven't seen anything particularly suspicious from you.

I'm also not sure of the reasoning behind not wanting to vote for people who have dueled before. Sure, they get prizes, but I kind of doubt the prizes are boosts to help them win more duels; that seems a little broken. Having said that, I don't plan on voting Bass as I'm reading him civ at this point.

I went with TH. I still think he was civ, and given how he was a talking point for some time, it would be useful to know more about him, whatever the poll does exactly.

Went ahead and voted, I didn't feel like waiting around.

I'm also not sure why INH is taking votes now.

I feel Bass has been pretty genuine lately, so I don't think I'll be voting there again. As I also don't suspect Mac, I'm left looking at people who haven't been discussed much.

I'm considering a Ninja vote, for purely circumstantial reasons. She voted Russ on the day MP was lynched, explaining that she thought he wanted to duel. Given the timing of the vote, it could be an easy reason to vote the next viable option besides a teammate.

I'd also consider voting Scotty again, for reasons previously discussed. That he seems to be silenced again makes me think it's a ruse even more.

And since we're still on the misrepresentation thing:

DFaraday wrote:
Dom wrote:
Scotty wrote: -Domald voted for me and JJJ. Let's see what he had to say about suspicions:
Dom wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking Dom's rationale regarding Bass. Since Bass is generally a low poster, that feels like Dom is setting up an easy excuse for voting down the road.

Also Sorsha wanting to vote prefects sounds like a bad idea to me. I get the impression that prefects have important abilities or something, so why would we want to put them up to lynch right away?
And there's this DFaraday guy. This DFaraday guy-- he's just... well.. do I have to say it? He's not good. No good at all. Lies and twisting the fact like the crooked media. Rooting against me.

Listen folks, Bass better stay active. Otherwise he's saying empty promises and looking to be ignored. That's just despicable. We, as a game, cannot let him get away with this, folks.

(c) Paid for by Dom/NJU 2016.
Wait, that's funny. It looks like he meant to vote DF and Bass, but accidentally voted for me and JJJ. Whoops, must be some mistake. Because I just reread all his posts multiple times, and the only time he expressed any sort of sentiment toward me is when I criticized his posting gimmick and he called me "sad". He doesn't really mention JJJ as far as I can tell.

Dom and Bubbles are my top priorities today. I will most likely be voting there.
Lyin' Scotty is teaming up with Tricky Jay in an alliance to take me down!

Why would I vote bass? Right now-- I think Bass is a good guy. That could change. I have explained why in the past. You can look it up-- plenty have written about it.

Folks, don't trust Lyin' Scotty and Tricky Jay. Lyin' Scotty looked for an opportunity to seize power without any sort of content. Tricky Jay has used bad thinking all game. Not good, folks, not good.

(c) Paid for by Dom/Nju 2016.
That's not really answering the question of why you voted Scotty and JJJ. And you think Bass is a good guy?

Also, you say that you think Bass is a good guy, a claim which is not supported by your previous interactions with Bass:

Dom wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:On a side note it feels so good to play with everyone again and have enough time to keep up with the thread. I am trying to be 200% more active this game then my last few poor showings .
Better keep this guy to his promise. I know this bass guy very well and believe me, if this post comes and flakey happens-- plenty of people know it's true that he's bad.

(c) Paid for by Dom/Nju 2016.

Dom wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Dom wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:On a side note it feels so good to play with everyone again and have enough time to keep up with the thread. I am trying to be 200% more active this game then my last few poor showings .
Better keep this guy to his promise. I know this bass guy very well and believe me, if this post comes and flakey happens-- plenty of people know it's true that he's bad.

(c) Paid for by Dom/Nju 2016.
I'm confused by this ? Are you saying g if I'm active I'm bad?
What the truth of the matter is that you have to realize that after-- hey, believe me...
If you aren't active, let's just say something else might be going on. I don't know what, but something else! Believe me. For sure !

(c) Paid for by Dom/Nju 2016.

So first you establish a potential suspicion of Bass to come back to later, but don't actually vote him, instead going with guys you haven't provided reasoning for. Then when questioned, you've thought Bass was good all along? Dom is flip-flopping more than...some sort of public official.

I assume the enlarged are primarily what you are referring to. The first statement, to me, makes it sound like you established already that you think Bass is good but that could change later if he doesn't post. I found that odd, because you hadn't made any indication about already thinking Bass was civ before that. I did correct myself once I'd realized what you meant though.

That's just about all I said on the issue at the time, so if there's anything else I can address,

Dom wrote:
DFaraday wrote:Bass wants to duel again? He's really pushing his luck. I'm starting to think he's civ, because I doubt a baddie would keep putting themselves out there like this.

Dom wrote:
Sloonei wrote:What do you mean with regards to DFaraday? What did he do that initially brought your attention to him, when did his participation drop off and why do you see this as a bad thing?
I supected him bc he misrepresented my views on bass. The second I dropped off tge radar bc school started, DF disappeared.
Disappeared? Pretty sure I've been posting at about the same rate all game.
17/28 of your posts are from Days 0-4. 11 are from 5-8.

Okay. I went back over my posts and counted, and the results are as follows:

Day 0 - 1 post
Day 1 - 3 posts
Day 2 - 5 posts
Day 3 - 4 posts
Day 4 - 4 posts
Day 5 - 4 posts
Day 6 - 3 posts
Day 7 - 3 posts

And the majority of those posts have contained active contributions to the game. I'm not JJJ or Golden when it comes to case building, but I'm participating, and you're making it sound like I turned into an inactive.

Bass wants to duel again? He's really pushing his luck. I'm starting to think he's civ, because I doubt a baddie would keep putting themselves out there like this.

Dom wrote:
Sloonei wrote:What do you mean with regards to DFaraday? What did he do that initially brought your attention to him, when did his participation drop off and why do you see this as a bad thing?
I supected him bc he misrepresented my views on bass. The second I dropped off tge radar bc school started, DF disappeared.

Disappeared? Pretty sure I've been posting at about the same rate all game.

Scotty never responded to my post on him, and his recent posts haven't made me think better of him. Voting Bass and Scotty.

Scotty wrote:Stop kidnapping me and just kill me, you cowards!

That I have been silenced twice and not killed because of it is telling me I'm mussing with someone I 'shouldn't be'.

Let's see. I've been on INH's case for coasting this game since like day 3, and was ballgagged on day 4. Started getting on nutella's case as well as INH and Quin on day 5. Blindfolded and given sleeping gas on day 6. But yet they won't kill me. Why?

Why, indeed.

Scotty wrote:Either way, it's hard for me not to read into my silencing as less than purposeful. I think i upset Nanman.

You seem to really want people to know they want you silenced.

Scotty wrote:Cut to today, and already Golden has dropped his push for Simon, and has latched onto this Mac case.

Yes, he latched onto the guy he said he's not voting for.

Scotty wrote:That Caps wagon had been creeping up over the course of a few days and since you all seemed so willing to lynch him TWICE I would like to put the eye on those that voted him. If you did vote him, what about Russ, who has been up twice and won twice, has you peeled away? Why does he get a free pass?
I dunno, I just felt like both he and Russ were the low hanging fruit for lynches and it just comes off as lazy.

How are TCF and Russ comparable?

Scotty wrote:INH I think you are bad. Still. I may not have info on you or a lucrative case, but I feel like you have been coasting. What cases have you built this game? Can you remind me, or is it just agreeing with other people to live another day? I'm going to keep pressuring you, even if I am once again the only one to vote you, because I don't think you are good.

-that all said, I think Mac has looked coasty as well- he even says so himself- and I'm still on the fence about him.

Why are coasty players necessarily suspicious? That's the kind of thinking that equates high posters with civ, which as we all know is often not the case.

Scotty isn't looking good to me here. It feels like he's straining to find reasons to suspect people and too eager to call attention to his silencing.

I do agree with Mas that there could be something between Sorsha and Eloh, but I doubt they're Yellow Turbans considering that Eloh voted in MP's lynch. It could have been a bus, but I typically go with Occam's Razor, which says she is most likely not his teammate.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Doubling down on Bass. He was saved last day and that needs to be fixed.

Doubling down on Mac. I'm tired of him not even reading the posts accusing him. And going omgus on me after calling me a civ read multiple times early? Not classy, Mac.

Yes Im voting now. U mad? Come at me. If you guys wanna lynch me, let's make this fun.
How was I saved?

It is possible there was a save based on the order the votes came in, but not terribly obvious if so.

LoRab wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Why did you vote for me?
Because, as I stated above, and you didn't respond to, you aren't playing like usual. That makes me suspect you.

But Mac's usual style applies when he's bad too, so I'm not seeing the correlation.

I went ahead and voted TCF and Bass.

Golden wrote:@DF - there are like half the game full of inactives. For me, the DP vote was taking one person I suspected (capsfan) and one person that felt very inactive.

I feel a bit better about capsfan now so I won't vote there again.

Inactive doesn't mean bad. And killing them kills any chance of active players replacing in to civvie roles. It felt like an easy way for people to shirk responsibility for the vote by kicking an easy target while he's down.

I think it bothers me because I don't like seeing players getting lynched for their playstyle, especially when it's something which never changes due to their alignment. Having suffered that many, many times, it raises my hackles.

Cross-referencing the DP voters with the ridiculously fluctuating Russ votes, Eloh and Ninja stood out to me. But Eloh has voted for baddies repeatedly, so she's looking most likely civ to me. I'm going to look over Ninja in the morning.

RIP Glorf. I was wrong about you, probably.

Russtifinko wrote:Oh also, what happened to the suspicions/voting of me? That was a thing, right?

The voting patterns in this game have been weird. And the surge of votes for DP yesterday was sketchy as all get out. Most of the players here know DP's style, yet a bunch voted him for doing the same things he literally always does. I still suspect TCF, and if I'm wrong about JJJ being a teammate, it's possible one (or more?) of those DP voters was trying to save him.

I also find Bass' driveby suspicious, so I'm leaning Bass and TCF right now. I still don't think any better of Lorab, but everybody seems convinced she's civvie for some reason.

I won't be on again before the day ends, so I'll give some quick thoughts:

Boomslang is reading pretty genuine to me. DDL less so, but I'm not feeling terribly bad about him either.

Scotty, Golden, and Nero (when he's around) are coming across civ to me.

I am still suspicious of Glorfindel, but I want to pursue the Caps case this time.

I do think Nutella has been blendy and rather too agreeable all game, so I need to review her posts.

I noticed that votes for Russ seem to fluctuate wildly from day to day, which gives me pause in regards to Russ voters.

After reviewing DP, the only suspicious thing I can say about him is that he voted on the Russ train when MM got lynched. Beyond that, he's exactly what I expect from DP.

I still think a JJJ/MP/Caps team isn't so farfetched, so I'm going to vote Caps. And people are saying that Lorab feels civ without providing any reasons, and I don't find her answers to my case very satisfactory, so I'll be voting her again as well.

LoRab wrote:I could get behind a caps fan vote. As I stated last round, I have found him suspicious. I also still suspect glorf.

As for suspicion of me, yes I'm tunneling. It's what I do. I'm also stubborn. That seemed to be the gist of suspicion of me. I'm not sure how to defend it. Yes, I did that. But it's not indicitive of anything other than I'm playing the game.

None of my case on you was for tunneling. It was for supporting a case, then when it proved incorrect, immediately turning around and suspecting the person whose case you followed. It was also for trying to force facts to fit your narrative of TH. A laser focus is one thing, but it seemed like you were looking for any reason, however shaky, to justify your suspicion.

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