The Syndicate

Also, great job team!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:09 am

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:03 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:57 am

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:33 am I did suspect Wilgy a good bit at one point, can't remember why I didn't go harder on a lynch.

I suck as civ.

In response to you Jackofhearts, the only games I've played in full (two) I have played as mafia and have won, so yeah, I really don't know how to be town apparently.

How do you play when you're mafia?

Imo, mafia play is often an impression of self's townie play. So I'm curious.

I'm not even sure of my style honestly, it's been 2 plus years since I played a game. I've been told I'm very hard to pin. I'm more involved than I was this game, I think. I'm better at deflecting or steering that I am at actually hunting out mafia, that's for sure. I guess that will come with practice.

Hopefully I can play with you guys for another game.

Well done to mafia, anyway.

You absolutely should.

And yes, the mafia certainly played a strong game and earned the win.

Though you wouldn't know it from the way everyone kept saying how stupid our kill choices were.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:43 pm I am inclined to not vote Faraday again seeing as he's still insisting it won't do much good. I wonder if Quin is right and he's the unkillable indie.

I have said earlier in the game Wilgy pinged me too, although right now I couldn't give you examples off the top of my head other than what I said before about him fishing for information without giving much of an opinion himself. Im going to need to go back and re read him.

I can assure you, DFaraday, that I am most definitely not scum. And with numbers dwindling it would really really not be in civillians best interest to lynch me now. The scum slip you boldened was just a typo. I have ADHD and when I get typing like this, my brain gets ahead of my ability to type and i make all sorts of fucked up typos.

Really wasn't trying to lean *too* heavily on the newbie aspect, but I really had forgotten most everything of mafia, so I'm relearning. I'll keep that more to myself from now on.

I don't have time to read more now, because quite honestly, I have a dashing man waiting for me and a bottle of Pinot Grigio in the fridge.

I'll be back for some alcohol fueled mafiaing later.

In case I get too drunk, I'm putting my vote on Wilgy now.

Fair enough, Neverwhere. I feel more confident of Wilgy than you, but if he's lynched and comes back bad I'll feel stronger in my earlier theory.

And yeah, bringing up your newbieness too much usually comes across as trying to avoid contribution or being viewed as a threat.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:40 am I want everyone to start thinking ahead of the current day. Let's focus on combinations. If DFaraday is lynched and flips mafia, which player makes the most sense to you as the last baddie? If DFaraday flips indy or civvie, what two players make the most sense as the last two baddies?

Reasons to support your thoughts are preferable.

Voting me is not going to accomplish anything. It won't help the civ cause. If you're looking for the baddies, I'm thinking it's Wilgy and Neverwhere.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:05 am MOOOOOOOOM, LC broke the siiiiiite.

Gman's notes brought me back to these lists.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:10 pm Boo
Gman
Dizzy
Nutella
Speedchuck
DF

Thats my proposed list. You guys post yours. I propose we make a deadline for it and then everyone sends their votes. Is 3 hours before the end of N0 good enough?

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:40 pm If we're still considering alternatives to Jack's list:

G-Man
Boo
DDL
Dyslexicon

Those are the only ones I'm leaning somewhat civ on so far.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:08 pm For what it's worth, here's a list of players I'm considering sending my point to:
Jack
G-Man
Long Con
Speedchuck
Dyslexicon
Timmer

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:22 pm So I don't get the purpose of putting 6 names down. From what I can read in the OP it's just one person you vote for. But my list is as follows:

Speedchuck - because we're CPI buddies
Dom - because I'm afraid of Dom. Always.
Jack - because I "like" jack as a person
DrWigly - because he's a doctor
LC - because I like LC as a person
Mac - because I haven't seen Mac in forever it feels like

Everyone above, has your list from before changed? how has it changed? has it narrowed down or widened? why?

DDL, DF, Hazelnut, you had all 3 chosen Gman. Why G-man in specific.

Sprityo, in regards to your list specifically, you and Jack were the only ones to list me. Why did you choose me? beyond that of "he's a doctor?" Am I still on that list? Why did you choose Dom and Mac as one only posted today, and the other is still out?

There are more players that I no idea what to think than players who I have thoughts on. I'd say the null and void atm are DF, Dom, Eloh, G-Man, Mac, Neverwhere, Sprit and Tink. From all of you, can you let me know which player you find the most interesting, and why?

And for now...

Adios muchachos.

He calls his view on Neverwhere "null and void" in this post. Later that day:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:18 pm

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:39 pmDr. Wigly pings me off a bit too. He seems helpful, but fishes for a lot of information and asks a lot of questions without giving much of his own opinion sometimes. I think he just reminds me a lot of me when I've been scum.

I like this. Information gain without use is just fluff, even if it brings discussion.

If you want my opinion, feel free to ask me. I'm at a point where I have too many nulls. These nulls make it hard for me to judge the active players.

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:00 pm If you all had to choose between the following five people for today's lynch, who would you vote for? Right now, I'm wavering between two of them, possibly a third.

-Fredwood
-Neverwhere
-Nutella
-Sprityo
-Tink

Tink.

Here Wilgy commends Neverwhere for calling out Wilgy's commenting without really contributing. Incidentally, Wilgy doesn't actually address the concern, and in addition Neverwhere herself ends up playing that very way later in that game.

They then later both vote Eloh, but then after the lynch Neverwhere comments:

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:23 pm Yeah, I'm really sorry guys, I was super excited to sign up for this game and then life got super busy the minute it started. Feeding the little girl and ill drink a cup of coffee to stay awake tonight.

I am 100% town. I think one of my struggles this game is a lot of my scum reads are turning out to be town. Genuinely thought Eloh could flip town. I've only ever really played as mafia. My first game on another site I was mafia, in OMERTA I was mafia. The last game i played here 2 years ago was my first town game but I ended up ending my relationship in the middle of the game and I had to bow out because of that. I think I'm trying to find my feet as civ. It's definitely much harder. Saying all of this could totally draw attention to me, but whatever, its the truth and im going to try harder.

I'd written up some notes on what I thought of players thus far and I'm going to try and go back to revise though.

If it's between Fredwood and me, I'm really not sure. I'm definitely civ and I'm not sure I have a great read on Fred. I genuinely don't know. I'd like to look more at the remaining users that weren't on any of Eloh's lists.

Could have just meant scum, could be a slip.

And then just recently there's this odd little exchange.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:52 pm

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:19 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:26 pm It is also possible that DFaraday is either town or Mewtwo and also absorbed the night kill last night.

Is he immortal in your head Quin?

Why poking fun?

A 3rd party that can survive a lynch, that's fine.

A 3rd party that can survive a nk, also fine.

Both? Now I have speculation as to how serious this comment was.

Add to all of the above Wilgy's suspicious behavior on the day of Sprityo's lynch, his continued insistence on voting low posters except when it's convenient not to, and Neverwhere leaning really, really heavily on the newbie card, and I believe those are the baddies.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:38 pm Just skimmed through DF, and DDL is right regarding him never interacting with Sprityo.

Is this a slip?

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:53 pm We've been getting kills every night up until now though. I guess Tink could have been sending kills up to this point, but it doesn't seem likely to me.

If I were bad, wouldn't I say "we've been sending kills"?

Seriously, don't lynch me.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:17 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:11 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:10 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:07 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:59 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:55 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:35 pm



DFaraday would rather vote a no-show over someone he doesn't suspect. That's fine, but it should also mean that he'd rather vote someone he suspects over a no show. Yet here he is on Day 3 supporting lynches for no-shows when he's got a suspect in boo. He voted him yesterday. Now he's not a consideration. Why?

Because I'm not consistent? Most people aren't.

I know Boo can't go into do much detail for fear of role outing and such, but I really don't know what exactly it is he thinks I know. Since Eloh was confident of Tink from Day 1, I figured her being bad was the most likely way she'd know a civ alignment.

I was going to vote Boo for leading a lynch on me, then realized I still have a potential chance, so I'm sticking with Wilgy.

But what happened that moved boo from earning your vote to entertaining no-posters as an option again?

His Day 3 posts felt pretty sincere and tracked with what he'd said previously. I thought he jumped from his LC suspicion onto Timmer too easily, which made me suspect him, but he explained where he was at after that lynch and it made me feel a bit better about him. Lately he's really got me convinced he's civ, even though he's going after me.

But you just said you were thinking of voting boo for leading a lynch on you

I don't suspect him, I just thought my lynch was a done deal and would give a throwaway vote. Then I realized that the numbers could still swing my way, and voted someone I actually suspect.

Why would you not at least put a throwaway on someone you suspect? I am aware you did that in the end with Wilgy, but that vote wasn't a throwaway. The purpose of it being a throwaway specifically is important to me.

Because I was thinking at that point that it was a done deal if nobody changed their votes, and that it wouldn't matter where I voted. I voted with purpose when I saw that I had a chance.

Also, I hate to say it, but if people are insistent on trying to lynch me, I really need to let you know that you're wasting your time. It won't be a good civ outcome if I'm up for lynching.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:10 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:07 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:59 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:55 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:35 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:08 pm RIP. Chrome ate my post. Time to retype.

Right now, I have tonal pings from both DDL and Boo though I'm unsure the direct cause. I don't think Boo is on a team with Hazelnut. I want to see where the Boo suspicion goes and see thier thoughts on having the vote lead.

I'd say put both DF and Timmer on the chopping block again for their shitty votes last cycle. Timmer's vote now has high momentum. He and Boo are probably not on a team.

Anyone wanna tie Mac and Dom, and have them fight to the death as they aren't here lol? Also now that I have some hindsight, it kinda sucks that TSP died right as he entered the game. Probably should have saved him rgardless of the alignment. Oh well, wasn't here.

Sorry, you've made me one of your top suspects because I voted for a (at the time) no-show, then in the same post propose trying to get the other no-shows out?

I'm of the belief that when it comes to voting for someone I have no suspicion of and someone who is contributing nothing to the game, voting the latter is the better option. On Day 1 I didn't have any suspicions, so I would be forcing any reason I had to vote someone.

I'm not liking Boo's Timmer vote. It feels NO U-y, and doesn't make sense coming right after his campaign against LC and Nutella. I'll go ahead and vote Boo for now.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:50 pm I would be fine with voting Tink or Dom, as they haven't contributed as of yet. If Dys doesn't offer something again soon, I'd say get her out as well. Eloh at least has, although I think it's bizarre that she keeps insisting that Tink is good, when I don't see how she could know that so early in the game.

DFaraday would rather vote a no-show over someone he doesn't suspect. That's fine, but it should also mean that he'd rather vote someone he suspects over a no show. Yet here he is on Day 3 supporting lynches for no-shows when he's got a suspect in boo. He voted him yesterday. Now he's not a consideration. Why?

Because I'm not consistent? Most people aren't.

I know Boo can't go into do much detail for fear of role outing and such, but I really don't know what exactly it is he thinks I know. Since Eloh was confident of Tink from Day 1, I figured her being bad was the most likely way she'd know a civ alignment.

I was going to vote Boo for leading a lynch on me, then realized I still have a potential chance, so I'm sticking with Wilgy.

But what happened that moved boo from earning your vote to entertaining no-posters as an option again?

His Day 3 posts felt pretty sincere and tracked with what he'd said previously. I thought he jumped from his LC suspicion onto Timmer too easily, which made me suspect him, but he explained where he was at after that lynch and it made me feel a bit better about him. Lately he's really got me convinced he's civ, even though he's going after me.

But you just said you were thinking of voting boo for leading a lynch on you

I don't suspect him, I just thought my lynch was a done deal and would give a throwaway vote. Then I realized that the numbers could still swing my way, and voted someone I actually suspect.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:59 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:55 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:35 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:08 pm RIP. Chrome ate my post. Time to retype.

Right now, I have tonal pings from both DDL and Boo though I'm unsure the direct cause. I don't think Boo is on a team with Hazelnut. I want to see where the Boo suspicion goes and see thier thoughts on having the vote lead.

I'd say put both DF and Timmer on the chopping block again for their shitty votes last cycle. Timmer's vote now has high momentum. He and Boo are probably not on a team.

Anyone wanna tie Mac and Dom, and have them fight to the death as they aren't here lol? Also now that I have some hindsight, it kinda sucks that TSP died right as he entered the game. Probably should have saved him rgardless of the alignment. Oh well, wasn't here.

Sorry, you've made me one of your top suspects because I voted for a (at the time) no-show, then in the same post propose trying to get the other no-shows out?

I'm of the belief that when it comes to voting for someone I have no suspicion of and someone who is contributing nothing to the game, voting the latter is the better option. On Day 1 I didn't have any suspicions, so I would be forcing any reason I had to vote someone.

I'm not liking Boo's Timmer vote. It feels NO U-y, and doesn't make sense coming right after his campaign against LC and Nutella. I'll go ahead and vote Boo for now.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:50 pm I would be fine with voting Tink or Dom, as they haven't contributed as of yet. If Dys doesn't offer something again soon, I'd say get her out as well. Eloh at least has, although I think it's bizarre that she keeps insisting that Tink is good, when I don't see how she could know that so early in the game.

DFaraday would rather vote a no-show over someone he doesn't suspect. That's fine, but it should also mean that he'd rather vote someone he suspects over a no show. Yet here he is on Day 3 supporting lynches for no-shows when he's got a suspect in boo. He voted him yesterday. Now he's not a consideration. Why?

Because I'm not consistent? Most people aren't.

I know Boo can't go into do much detail for fear of role outing and such, but I really don't know what exactly it is he thinks I know. Since Eloh was confident of Tink from Day 1, I figured her being bad was the most likely way she'd know a civ alignment.

I was going to vote Boo for leading a lynch on me, then realized I still have a potential chance, so I'm sticking with Wilgy.

But what happened that moved boo from earning your vote to entertaining no-posters as an option again?

His Day 3 posts felt pretty sincere and tracked with what he'd said previously. I thought he jumped from his LC suspicion onto Timmer too easily, which made me suspect him, but he explained where he was at after that lynch and it made me feel a bit better about him. Lately he's really got me convinced he's civ, even though he's going after me.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:23 pm I think I'm gonna vote DF for that, for the fact I'm having a hard time reading his intentons (which scares me), and because I'm curious. Also because I want Boo to shut up about him.

votes DF

That's what I aim for in every game. I don't like leaving meta traces.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:35 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:08 pm RIP. Chrome ate my post. Time to retype.

Right now, I have tonal pings from both DDL and Boo though I'm unsure the direct cause. I don't think Boo is on a team with Hazelnut. I want to see where the Boo suspicion goes and see thier thoughts on having the vote lead.

I'd say put both DF and Timmer on the chopping block again for their shitty votes last cycle. Timmer's vote now has high momentum. He and Boo are probably not on a team.

Anyone wanna tie Mac and Dom, and have them fight to the death as they aren't here lol? Also now that I have some hindsight, it kinda sucks that TSP died right as he entered the game. Probably should have saved him rgardless of the alignment. Oh well, wasn't here.

Sorry, you've made me one of your top suspects because I voted for a (at the time) no-show, then in the same post propose trying to get the other no-shows out?

I'm of the belief that when it comes to voting for someone I have no suspicion of and someone who is contributing nothing to the game, voting the latter is the better option. On Day 1 I didn't have any suspicions, so I would be forcing any reason I had to vote someone.

I'm not liking Boo's Timmer vote. It feels NO U-y, and doesn't make sense coming right after his campaign against LC and Nutella. I'll go ahead and vote Boo for now.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:50 pm I would be fine with voting Tink or Dom, as they haven't contributed as of yet. If Dys doesn't offer something again soon, I'd say get her out as well. Eloh at least has, although I think it's bizarre that she keeps insisting that Tink is good, when I don't see how she could know that so early in the game.

DFaraday would rather vote a no-show over someone he doesn't suspect. That's fine, but it should also mean that he'd rather vote someone he suspects over a no show. Yet here he is on Day 3 supporting lynches for no-shows when he's got a suspect in boo. He voted him yesterday. Now he's not a consideration. Why?

Also, your logic doesn't quite track. I might be okay with lynching no-shows over people I do suspect, especially when my suspects aren't likely to be up for lynching again.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:35 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:08 pm RIP. Chrome ate my post. Time to retype.

Right now, I have tonal pings from both DDL and Boo though I'm unsure the direct cause. I don't think Boo is on a team with Hazelnut. I want to see where the Boo suspicion goes and see thier thoughts on having the vote lead.

I'd say put both DF and Timmer on the chopping block again for their shitty votes last cycle. Timmer's vote now has high momentum. He and Boo are probably not on a team.

Anyone wanna tie Mac and Dom, and have them fight to the death as they aren't here lol? Also now that I have some hindsight, it kinda sucks that TSP died right as he entered the game. Probably should have saved him rgardless of the alignment. Oh well, wasn't here.

Sorry, you've made me one of your top suspects because I voted for a (at the time) no-show, then in the same post propose trying to get the other no-shows out?

I'm of the belief that when it comes to voting for someone I have no suspicion of and someone who is contributing nothing to the game, voting the latter is the better option. On Day 1 I didn't have any suspicions, so I would be forcing any reason I had to vote someone.

I'm not liking Boo's Timmer vote. It feels NO U-y, and doesn't make sense coming right after his campaign against LC and Nutella. I'll go ahead and vote Boo for now.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:50 pm I would be fine with voting Tink or Dom, as they haven't contributed as of yet. If Dys doesn't offer something again soon, I'd say get her out as well. Eloh at least has, although I think it's bizarre that she keeps insisting that Tink is good, when I don't see how she could know that so early in the game.

DFaraday would rather vote a no-show over someone he doesn't suspect. That's fine, but it should also mean that he'd rather vote someone he suspects over a no show. Yet here he is on Day 3 supporting lynches for no-shows when he's got a suspect in boo. He voted him yesterday. Now he's not a consideration. Why?

Because I'm not consistent? Most people aren't.

I know Boo can't go into do much detail for fear of role outing and such, but I really don't know what exactly it is he thinks I know. Since Eloh was confident of Tink from Day 1, I figured her being bad was the most likely way she'd know a civ alignment.

I was going to vote Boo for leading a lynch on me, then realized I still have a potential chance, so I'm sticking with Wilgy.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:30 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:20 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:10 pm I am a little disappointed by lack of discussion around boo. He tied for the lynch on Day 2. What happened?

Idk, his interactions with Sprityo proved that he's probably not a teammate, but his recent activity has me second guessing myself.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:03 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:13 am The actions of mafia are full of manipulation and lies.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:30 am

Quin wrote:Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:37 pm I recall a lot of mechanics talk by Luffy in the beginning of ASOUE, and he was town. I don't think it's odd for him.

I'm a tournament pokemon player.

Im having a field day with this game.

Speaking of which, when will the next VGC format be announced?

@Domoquin, have you finished forming a read of me? Do you have any questions? what do you think?

I'm still down for murking the ever-missing Dizzy. This shit's getting ridiculous.

I did just now. My only real qualm is that I don't understand how sprityo's lack of condemnation of low-posters influences your read on Dizzy. Can you elaborate on how Dizzy is a compatible teammate?

As for you, I'm content with a light town read. You don't steer me any which way, but the lack of pings on Day 6 is a point in your favour.

Unless I missed something, Sprityo and Dizzy never interacted and that makes me slightly concerned.

DF claims that I was chummy with Sprityo, but I don't see it as Sprityo's ISO seemed consistently chummy with all of his interactions (perhaps there's some bias in there). This makes me think the inconsistencies he would have had when interacting with teammates were hidden by avoiding them all together.

Not that that seals the deal on Dizzy, more so I think it validates my want to elimimate the wallflowers he didn't even interact with. You and Mac would be included in that, but you seem to be wanting to be more involved and Mac is one of the players I think I have a good read on.

I was hoping for a minute there you'd have more posts of mine to discuss.

I remember that DFaraday more or less just said 'cool' to my case on boo when I initially posted it, and said he'd look into his votes which hasn't come to anything yet. It was only a disappointment then, but it's 'helped' reassure me in my read of boo, which I could do to hold off on to figure out how I feel about DFaraday.

@DFaraday, did you ever look through boo yourself? What did you think?

Wilgy, I got to page 2 of your ISO and still didn't have anything to talk about. That did annoy me, because you mentioned how you thrive better when there's stuff to talk about with you.

I've done a cursory look into Boo, but I've had to be on my phone a lot, which is really frustrating to do for long. His votes look okay, and I'm reading him as genuine scumhunting, even though his early behavior threw me off. I'm feeling pretty good about him right now.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:41 pm If we're thinking it's a missed nightkill, Tink and Dizzy come to mind first. Tink's been gone since Night 1, and Dizzy never posted during the night. I think everyone else did, though I'll verify that.

We've been getting kills every night up until now though. I guess Tink could have been sending kills up to this point, but it doesn't seem likely to me.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:19 pm That's a very useful graph G-Man. Thank you for taking the time to make it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:49 pm I'm gonna keep the meta theory that Mac is civ when he is being rude and unlikable.

In the one game where I caught him as scum, he was being civil and likable.

So he's probably a civ here.

I can point to many of my Mafia games where I was bad and a prick.

Just out of curiosity which was the scum game that you caught me in that I was being nice?

That being said, this is a play at emotions. What about my posting in this game has been "rude and unlikable"? Was it the part where I have a scum read on you?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:54 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:35 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:50 am Hey everyone. Try actually reading what la said before she died and go, "derp, lets obviously lynch DF now."

She did the work for you. And we still can't get it done? For real?

If by work you mean "point out when Sprit correctly said I wasn't on the chopping block", then yeah, she did the work. I wouldn't even call what he said defending me.

Mac raises some intriguing ideas about DDL. I've been reading him as civ all game, mainly because he contributes a lot. I'm still leaning for a Wilgy lynch right now though.

On a scale of 1 to 10: how does your opinion of me depend on other people making "intriguing" reads of me, specially if they are voting for me near the end of the day?

I don't understand this post. Who voted for you near the end of the day? Is 1 a lot or 10? How much or how? It's a weird post.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:07 pm Reading back over my own posts, I'm inclined to side with boo and say I'd be interested in a DFaraday lynch. I remember reading back through Sprityos posts Mac and DFaraday stood out as people sprit was possibly defensive of.

And then I voted to lynch Sprityo in such a way as to not earn any credit for it. Intelligent move.

1- Sorry I don't remember which game. I didn't exactly catch you. More like you were my biggest suspect but people only lynched you 2 days after I died.

2- It's irony. I'm snarking at the possibility DF is just following others, and setting up a possible wagon jump on me should it happen.

Yeah, just following others. That's why I've been the only person who actively suspects Wilgy.

And by my earlier post I meant that Mac raised an idea I hadn't considered before (posting a lot about game mechanics to appear contributory), so I want to look over your posts to see whether that holds any water. As for his second point, since I believe Wilgy is bad, you wouldn't be a baddie buddying up to him, so I'm thinking it's an either/or situation.

boo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:50 am Hey everyone. Try actually reading what la said before she died and go, "derp, lets obviously lynch DF now."

She did the work for you. And we still can't get it done? For real?

If by work you mean "point out when Sprit correctly said I wasn't on the chopping block", then yeah, she did the work. I wouldn't even call what he said defending me.

Mac raises some intriguing ideas about DDL. I've been reading him as civ all game, mainly because he contributes a lot. I'm still leaning for a Wilgy lynch right now though.

That was for Wilgy.

Possibly. I just think a last second switch makes it seem like you didn't really want Sprityo to get lynched.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:25 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:57 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:22 pm Goodluck and godspeed Gman.

Linki - neat, would you say my tone is overly chummy towards sprit when compared to others?

Not really, but Sprit seemed to be joking around with you and Fred and not really anyone else that I noticed. For now I'll put my vote on you because I think Fred's voting on the day Sprityo died looks a little better for him.

Odd, I strictly remember him also joking with JoH and afew others.

Interesting that you say Fred's vote looked better. How does Fred's NA vote hold more value than my Tink vote? How does it compare when you take into account that both of us moved off Sprit at one point?

When you switched your vote super late in the day, it pinged me, like you might be trying to save a teammate.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:05 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:00 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:57 pm Quin, why boo?

I just said stuff about him last night. I think it's on the last page.

Page before last. Woops.

Rainbow list incoming.

Yeah, found it. Fair points about Boo, but I'm going to check his votes again to see how that reflects on him.

Quin, why boo?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:22 pm Goodluck and godspeed Gman.

Linki - neat, would you say my tone is overly chummy towards sprit when compared to others?

Not really, but Sprit seemed to be joking around with you and Fred and not really anyone else that I noticed. For now I'll put my vote on you because I think Fred's voting on the day Sprityo died looks a little better for him.

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:47 pm Is anyone suspicious of Dragon D. Luffy or DrWilgy? According to my spreadsheet, neither one has received a vote all game. There's been mentions of them but never any votes. Neverwhere hasn't received any votes either but her circumstances are different. DDL and Wilgy have plenty of content to comb through and haven't had as many things holding them back from the thread. Perhaps these folks haven't been high enough on our suspiciometers or perhaps we collectively latch onto other options that push them aside.

Thoughts?

Linki: well then. Hi there Wilgy. Any other thoughts on Dyslexicon, DDL, or Fred? What other specifics stand out to you?

Wilgy is one of my top suspects today because of his chummy tone with Sprityo. Also his voting record doesn't help him at all. Mac and Fred are also possibilities, so if I can look over their posts and try to find any Sprityo connections. That's a big if right now though.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:13 pm Hi everyone I am on vacation in rural Maine and forgot this game existed! Sorry! What up? Someone catch me up?

You, um, got replaced.

boo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:59 pm No, I want to get straight to the part where we lynch you.

That's a lame way to play Mafia.

So Boo, you want to actually accuse me of something?

Of course.

Later I'm going to look over the five I listed as possible Sprit teammates.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:13 pm @Nutella, can you elaborate on your suspicion of DF? I see that it's through the interactions between him and Sprit, but I don't follow it.

(I think his meta/style is pinging me bc he's usually quieter as a civ)

You literally say this about me every single game we're in together anymore. At some point, if every game is the exception to the rule, it's not an exception, it's the rule. I know I'm only focusing on that one line, I'm just really tired of hearing that.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:20 pm 1. Fredwood, maybe Neverwhere
2. DrWilgy maybe? Tougher list
3. Absolutely DF. I've been thinking DF is likely bad since I skimmed sprit's iso earlier today and saw him question a suspicion of DF (from DDL I believe?) and thought that could be a soft teammate defense/deflection. Then DF's vote for Eloh today, so if Fred turns out to be bad that seals DF for me.

@Eloh: I do, lol, and I think you're both civ and people who don't just don't know you.

Why is my Eloh vote suspicious? I didn't see any reason to vote Fred at the time (I'm still not that keen on voting him).

And your basis for thinking me bad is that he questioned why Wilgy said I was on the chopping block (when I wasn't)? There's really nothing for me to defend against there.

I just skimmed through Sprit's posts. Here are what stood out as highlight interactions to me, in note form.

On day 0 only directly interacted with civs (Jack and Speed). Dom/Wilgy/Mac are on his points list along with confirmed civs. Minor conflict w/ Nutella, but ends up feeling mildly civ about her. Accuses Boo of twisting words and looking shady. Asks Wilgy why I'm on the chopping block (which I also asked Wilgy). Votes Boo. Says he feels good about DDL. Jokes around a few times with Wilgy and Fred. Keeps Mac and Wilgy on points list, says Fred looks better than G-Man. Has a bad feeling about DrWilgy, boo, Dom/Dyslexicon/Eloh, and G-Man.

Overall Boo looks pretty good, what with Sprit voicing suspicion of him, then following through and voting him. He interacts with Wilgy a few times, but never really has much of a read on him, and they do joke around a bit, which Sprit also does with Fred. I'm not sure whether they all have history, but the familiarity could suggest partnership. He keeps saying he had a bad feeling about G-Man, but never really elaborated on that.

He only mentioned Tink once, and that was when voting her in that lynch. Not much either way there, but doesn't discount the possibility of that lynch being bad/bad. He also didn't mention Dys at all, aside from lumping her in with a bunch of people he's vaguely suspicious of.

Overall, I would say Sprit's posts make Boo look civ, and if I had to guess his teammates, I'd say some combination of Wilgy, Fred, Mac, Dys or Tink. Fred's vote made him look better though, so I'm probably feeling the best about him.

Just realized Wilgy is currently voting Eloh, but just said he would change. Still, what's your rationale, Wilgy?

I think Mac and Fred both make good points in favor of their civvieness. It doesn't strike me as likely that baddie Mac would come in, vote a teammate, then sit back and do nothing when said teammate started taking a lot of votes. And Fred's voting at the end of Day 3 doesn't make much sense if he were Sprityo's teammate. Furthermore, I'd like to hear why Nutella, Wilgy, and Boo are all confident in Fred's baddieness.

I definitely feel like Eloh is a stronger possiblity. Her nonfactor Dys vote could mean she didn't want to look like she was trying to save a teammate, and either way could be a way of easily avoiding responsibility in the outcome (though I support third party voting irl ). Also, her frequent insistence that Tink is civ is something she couldn't have known on Day 1, when she started doing it. Only baddies would know who all the civs are (or maybe Mew, I guess). It reads like buddying the more I look over it.

I'll go ahead and put a vote on Eloh.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:39 pm Fucking A...So clears Tink...no way does Mafia save her over Spirit so I think they were a V/W wagon. Glad I at least moved my vote off her to at least give her the chance in a tie.

I'm taking a couple pings of G-Man because I think he was the first to vote Spirit post Macs Early vote. Though I don't want to town clear him fully yet, I think he fully knows if he votes Tink there and it's a town flip, his goose is cooked. However he did cast shade on Spirit early in the phase, so he's in my wary group.

Not sure what to do about Mac's vote, and the last time I gave voter credit for Nutella it came back to bite me in the ass.

I think given the timing Nutella's vote makes her look really good. I agree that Mac's isn't saying much either way.

Oh wow. Good job, Sprit voters!

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:23 pm I guess I voted at 1021 not 1020...wouldn't let me change. Was hesitating because I thought the Spirit wagon came out of no where. The eff man. Like he wasn't even mentioned.

That was really out of left field. If Tink is lynched and comes back bad I'll be thinking save.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:18 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:12 pm Went ahead and voted Tink.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:01 pm The issue I have here with Elo is that there has to be a TDome with Boo I think, but I don't think Eloh is active enough to warrant a true one. A Boo flip will clear or damn Elo. An Elo lynch doesn't necessarily clear or damn Boo. IE if Eloh flips town, we still have questions about Boo, but if Boo flips town it's almost an auto-lynch on Elo at that point.

I can see the latch from a certain perspective as tonally read someone and to cut off the habit of lynching people on vacation. There's so many low posters that they all can't be scum. I just feel if Eloh is scum, a hard latch just doesn't make sense. I don't know enough about Elo to make that judgment if that kind of ballsy play is one she makes as scum. I think an Elo scum lynch would spew Tink clear though.

Wait, why's that?

Because she voted him at EOD with like 5 minutes left. She doesn't have enough town equity to survive a Boo town flip. In a scenario where both wagons are V/V it's very reasonable that scum wants the biggest threat gone. Boo was at least putting up his own defense last phase, Timmer from my recollection didn't have as much as a strong case on Boo. So if I'm in scum shoes there, I want a Boo lynch over Timmer lynch.

Okay, I misinterpreted. Makes sense.

Went ahead and voted Tink.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:01 pm The issue I have here with Elo is that there has to be a TDome with Boo I think, but I don't think Eloh is active enough to warrant a true one. A Boo flip will clear or damn Elo. An Elo lynch doesn't necessarily clear or damn Boo. IE if Eloh flips town, we still have questions about Boo, but if Boo flips town it's almost an auto-lynch on Elo at that point.

I can see the latch from a certain perspective as tonally read someone and to cut off the habit of lynching people on vacation. There's so many low posters that they all can't be scum. I just feel if Eloh is scum, a hard latch just doesn't make sense. I don't know enough about Elo to make that judgment if that kind of ballsy play is one she makes as scum. I think an Elo scum lynch would spew Tink clear though.

Wait, why's that?

I would be fine with voting Tink or Dom, as they haven't contributed as of yet. If Dys doesn't offer something again soon, I'd say get her out as well. Eloh at least has, although I think it's bizarre that she keeps insisting that Tink is good, when I don't see how she could know that so early in the game.

What don't people like about G-Man? He's not a super high poster, but I'm getting a genuine attempt at helpfulness from him.

Boo, you said before you wanted to lynch LC. Is this still the case?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:08 pm RIP. Chrome ate my post. Time to retype.

Right now, I have tonal pings from both DDL and Boo though I'm unsure the direct cause. I don't think Boo is on a team with Hazelnut. I want to see where the Boo suspicion goes and see thier thoughts on having the vote lead.

I'd say put both DF and Timmer on the chopping block again for their shitty votes last cycle. Timmer's vote now has high momentum. He and Boo are probably not on a team.

Anyone wanna tie Mac and Dom, and have them fight to the death as they aren't here lol? Also now that I have some hindsight, it kinda sucks that TSP died right as he entered the game. Probably should have saved him rgardless of the alignment. Oh well, wasn't here.

Sorry, you've made me one of your top suspects because I voted for a (at the time) no-show, then in the same post propose trying to get the other no-shows out?

I'm of the belief that when it comes to voting for someone I have no suspicion of and someone who is contributing nothing to the game, voting the latter is the better option. On Day 1 I didn't have any suspicions, so I would be forcing any reason I had to vote someone.

I'm not liking Boo's Timmer vote. It feels NO U-y, and doesn't make sense coming right after his campaign against LC and Nutella. I'll go ahead and vote Boo for now.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:51 pm Shit. I was busy shopping.

I was hankering on voting DF or Timmer. Womp womp.

Why me?

I won't be able to post again before the poll ends, so I have to vote now. I don't have any actual suspicions, so I randomized between the noposters and got Tony Stark.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:39 pm We are accepting votes until 8am EST tomorrow because of poor wording in one of the posts. Future evolution votes will occur during Night phases.

Cool. We might be able to coordinate.

And by we I mean you guys. Tell me who to vote for by tomorrow, and I'll try to get it in.

Didn't you vote already?

I voted after Epi said we had more time, but now people are talking about coordinating, even though it seems most of us have voted already.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:23 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:02 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:26 pm I'm not fine with putting such a strategy together based solely on one person's preferences. If Jack wants a list, let's all submit five or six names and select the ones that appear the most. If the plan can indeed thumb the scale in our favor, then it's too important to be nonchalant about picking names.

I agree. I don't even know some of the people on Jack's list. Although I'm really not crazy about this plan, since there's every chance we could end up empowering one or more baddies, who then will immediately take out their fellow power roles. Furthermore, if Mew/Mewtwo are part of the Oceanic Six, we'll spend the game funneling points into a black hole.

I think it might be more effective to allot points this round to a group of six, as suggested, then rotate on future rounds so that other players can get powers. Granted, this strategy pretty much ensures giving Mafia powers, but it would also keep an array of civvie powers in play even if Mafia start NKing power roles.

Okay. So we might empower a bad guy and give them a block or frame or whatever so they can impede town rolls....how is this worse than just letting the town all be vanilla?

So we might funnel a bunch of points into a Mew and nobody gets a power. How is this worse than tossing points about at random and nobody gets a power?

I didn't say at random. I said on rotation. If we focus all our points only on six players the baddies can easily pick off the threats to them (especially if any of those six are baddies/Mew/Mewtwo)

If we're still considering alternatives to Jack's list:

G-Man
Boo
DDL
Dyslexicon

Those are the only ones I'm leaning somewhat civ on so far.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:26 pm I'm not fine with putting such a strategy together based solely on one person's preferences. If Jack wants a list, let's all submit five or six names and select the ones that appear the most. If the plan can indeed thumb the scale in our favor, then it's too important to be nonchalant about picking names.

I agree. I don't even know some of the people on Jack's list. Although I'm really not crazy about this plan, since there's every chance we could end up empowering one or more baddies, who then will immediately take out their fellow power roles. Furthermore, if Mew/Mewtwo are part of the Oceanic Six, we'll spend the game funneling points into a black hole.

I think it might be more effective to allot points this round to a group of six, as suggested, then rotate on future rounds so that other players can get powers. Granted, this strategy pretty much ensures giving Mafia powers, but it would also keep an array of civvie powers in play even if Mafia start NKing power roles.

I loved Pokemon growing up, so this is going to be fun.

Hosts, do the Pokemon types have any bearing on the game? If so, what?

Also, what happens if Mew or Mewtwo receive evolution points? Nothing?