The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:34 am
DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:33 am I think the biggest takeaway here is that if I didn't keep getting hit with additional Mafia powers I'd have been the undisputed civ MVP of this game. 100% prediction rate y'all
Nice thinking with the N2 self-protect. You were aware that the mafia might catch on to your soft claim the way I did.

I had considered being a little more blatant in the thread but figured I'd keep it just vague enough for deniability. Although I'm not familiar with strongman roles (I don't recall that being a thing around here when I played frequently) so my two guesses about what happened were honestly all I had to work with.

I think the biggest takeaway here is that if I didn't keep getting hit with additional Mafia powers I'd have been the undisputed civ MVP of this game. 100% prediction rate y'all

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:41 pm I bet nobody in this site has gotten mislynched more times in lylo versus any other phase than me. It's a weird statistics but it's a thing. It's happened 3 times so far.

Everyone just spends the whole game suspecting me but letting cold logic keep me alive. Then when they get desperate they throw logic to the window and go "screw it DDL is a weirdo let'st kill him".

Mafias of the world, keep me alive till lylo in every game. It pays off.

This is somewhere between misrepresentation and guiltripping. There's not a compelling logical case for you as a civ and the references to past mislynches reads like an appeal to emotion. This only makes me feel more confident in DDL as our last villain.

I'm leaning much more towards DDL than Quin. DDL's recent posts come across like he's throwing everything at the wall and hoping something sticks so he can get out of the hot seat. The SK scenario he keeps pushing strikes me as unlikely in a relatively small game like this, especially seeing as his version of the SK is pretty weak if he can't do anything until the Mafia are eliminated. Much more likely to me is that DDL is bad and gave me a reload to gain cred (thanks for that).

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:59 pm @DFaraday are you a doctor or a jailkeeper?

I'm a doctor, and I did protect someone on Night 2. I don't know whether I protected the person the Mafia targeted (or if they tried to kill at all), so I can't say whether Quin is telling the truth just for that.

I'm actually decent at Mafia when it's in the endgame, so give me a little while and I'm going to come back with my thoughts after I've caught up.

A quick overview of Mac and Epi's arguments has me feeling more convinced by Mac. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

And for the record, DDL did restock my protects so I'm feeling good about him.

So DDL, how about sending me more reloads to ensure I have enough protects for the rest of the game? If you're indeed civ that is.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:50 pm Yeah sorry DF, but I think this is necessary. If I'm right and you end up killed for it, it prevents your being lynched anyway. I may not even be right, and if I am not I need someone to protest it so that I stop leaving you out of my pool.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:23 am There's either a role blocker or a redirect in play, and they're either bad or a wildly incompetent civ.

I don't know why Mac thinks Dunya was a weird choice for NK, she was one of the most blatantly civ players in the game. I figured it was pretty much 50/50 for either her or Jay as the first to go.
This was DF's first post of Day 2, after dunya had been killed. I think it suggests that he is a doctor or jailkeeper who had protected dunya and was then confused to find her dead anyway (perhaps due to a mafia strongman if not the possibilities he mentioned).

I’ve seen enough movies to know when someone is acting. [VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:41 am I would have just voted for Sabie anyway. RIP Sabie.

I don't think Reywas either though. Not enough attempt at saving. Didn't even self pres vote. Gotta think a Mafia cares enough to check in there.

I agree, especially now that he's subbed out Reywas just seems like a civ with no time to play.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:21 pm Something smells funky. Recommend reassessment across the board, including of MacDougall. I am very pressed for time today, but I will try my best.

Do you mean regarding Sabie's lynch? Because that felt pretty shady to me. I don't see any reason for Sabie to get lynched, especially early in the game with plenty of options on the table.

Just letting everyone know I’m about to go on a school field trip so I won’t be checking in at all until some time tonight. So basically I’m just posting like normal.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:25 am DFaraday is a civilian. I don't even care what the role claim is.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:45 am My first thought is that DDL staged that entire burst into the thread during the night phase to insist with a certain tone that dunya is a mafioso, so he could then kill her and rely on WIFOM.

That was my first thought too. I saw that Dunya was dead, then in catching up stopped at DDL's post and thought, "This feels like setting himself up to look good when Dunya is NKed."

There's either a role blocker or a redirect in play, and they're either bad or a wildly incompetent civ.

I don't know why Mac thinks Dunya was a weird choice for NK, she was one of the most blatantly civ players in the game. I figured it was pretty much 50/50 for either her or Jay as the first to go.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:21 pm
DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:25 am
DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:15 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:56 am
DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:45 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:41 am

I agree with his general sentiment that an isolated "call out" of my mechanics post is a suspicious thing. I direct that at DDL primarily.

DF directed it at nobody and didn't answer me when I asked him to gimme names, so that's bad. I feel no compulsion to call him a civilian.
Sorry for being at work?

I was referring to Epi and Mac, but more so Epi since Mac didn't actually imply that the charting meant that JJJ was bad. These posts from Epi show him suggesting that JJJ's efforts were a Mafia smokescreen:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:30 am

Civilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:32 am Jay is more concerned with the setup than with who is bad. I have solved this thing for you.
If Epi can offer evidence that JJJ primarily does this sort of analysis as a baddie but not as a civ I'll reconsider, but as it is I don't buy his reasoning here.
I thought that Epi was doing it as a way to gauge 3J's alignment. No idea about Mac though.
In Mac's case it did come across as trying to discourage JJJ's analysis by making his confusion with JJJ's methods highly visible, but his motive for doing so is harder for me to get a read on than Epi's posts. However I was just going over Mac's posts and this is suspect to me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:18 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:28 am no one asked me, but ima go ahead and tell you why i think mac is mafia.

he comes in here to demotivate jjj. he has an issue with jjj taking the leader role. he's vocalizing it to make others aware of these issues he has with jjj. he is trying to renounce jjj's place in the thread. ok...

but then nah, he doesn't wanna take jjj's place after all. he's happy being led. he's happy jjj being himself.

there was no purpose for the former or the latter. when someone comes in strong and then contradicts everything said, it is always a plot to weaken or cause conflict or shake trust in a person. macdougall here was initially trying to take civ jjj off course, and whether he continued or not, the posts are there. they have already garnered agreement from at least 2 other people. there is purpose behind every post, especially one that criticizes another player's playing style, and especially when macdougall is no newbie to jjj or his playstyle. it gets old ya know. the pocketing approach may have worked in ass-class, but it wouldn't work in any game i'm in.
This is all very basic analysis from someone with an intuition based game. You're bad because you picked the most logical case to put together that you could see, when ordinarily you are capable of deeper analysis than this.
He doesn't deny or even defend himself here, and actually says that Dunya has a logical case. But his reason for suspecting her is that she normally would put together a more complex case? To me this comes across as Mac trying to deflect rather than engage with Dunya. I'll likely be voting Mac or Epi today.

So do you have anything to say that actually addresses Dunya's points?

[VOTE: MACDOUGALL] aubergine
You would rather me address Dunya's points, who is currently not scum reading me, as opposed to yours who is voting for me. Why would that be?

Perhaps it is because you would rather incite violence between Dunya and I than get your own hands burned by the bright flame of MacScrewgall? Hmmm?

I didn't say I don't want you to address my points. As it is, you're not really addressing anyone's points.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:49 am i like DF's contributions. his sentiments echo my own, apart from his Epi suspicions. he's only made 5 posts; i don't like the 3 votes on him right now. screams scapegoat to me.

the only thing i wasn't too hot on is the transition between focusing on epi and being able to read epi to voting for mac, someone whose intentions he claims are harder for him to get a feel on. but even so, he gave good rationale for voting for mac unlike some other people in the thread tbh. i've never played with him before, i'd like to see more of him and see what he can offer. i won't be voting for him today.

A lot of great movies have a sacrificial lamb to motivate the survivors to band together and win the day. If I have to I'm fine with being the Coulson to your Avengers, the Apollo Creed to your Rocky, the Sean Connery in the Untouchables to your everyone else in the Untouchables. At the very least it would expose the people piling on to the vague and weak bandwagon forming around me.

As for Epi, I did feel worse about his approach to JJJ than I did Mac's, but in reviewing Mac's other posts I began to feel more strongly about him overall.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:25 am
DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:15 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:56 am
DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:45 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:41 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:38 am Quin is good, unlike the announcements.

I'd rather hear your take on two-bit DF.
I agree with his general sentiment that an isolated "call out" of my mechanics post is a suspicious thing. I direct that at DDL primarily.

DF directed it at nobody and didn't answer me when I asked him to gimme names, so that's bad. I feel no compulsion to call him a civilian.
Sorry for being at work?

I was referring to Epi and Mac, but more so Epi since Mac didn't actually imply that the charting meant that JJJ was bad. These posts from Epi show him suggesting that JJJ's efforts were a Mafia smokescreen:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:30 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:27 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:26 amLiterally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.
That's why civilians lose.
Civilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:32 am Jay is more concerned with the setup than with who is bad. I have solved this thing for you.
If Epi can offer evidence that JJJ primarily does this sort of analysis as a baddie but not as a civ I'll reconsider, but as it is I don't buy his reasoning here.
I thought that Epi was doing it as a way to gauge 3J's alignment. No idea about Mac though.
In Mac's case it did come across as trying to discourage JJJ's analysis by making his confusion with JJJ's methods highly visible, but his motive for doing so is harder for me to get a read on than Epi's posts. However I was just going over Mac's posts and this is suspect to me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:18 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:28 am no one asked me, but ima go ahead and tell you why i think mac is mafia.

he comes in here to demotivate jjj. he has an issue with jjj taking the leader role. he's vocalizing it to make others aware of these issues he has with jjj. he is trying to renounce jjj's place in the thread. ok...

but then nah, he doesn't wanna take jjj's place after all. he's happy being led. he's happy jjj being himself.

there was no purpose for the former or the latter. when someone comes in strong and then contradicts everything said, it is always a plot to weaken or cause conflict or shake trust in a person. macdougall here was initially trying to take civ jjj off course, and whether he continued or not, the posts are there. they have already garnered agreement from at least 2 other people. there is purpose behind every post, especially one that criticizes another player's playing style, and especially when macdougall is no newbie to jjj or his playstyle. it gets old ya know. the pocketing approach may have worked in ass-class, but it wouldn't work in any game i'm in.
This is all very basic analysis from someone with an intuition based game. You're bad because you picked the most logical case to put together that you could see, when ordinarily you are capable of deeper analysis than this.
He doesn't deny or even defend himself here, and actually says that Dunya has a logical case. But his reason for suspecting her is that she normally would put together a more complex case? To me this comes across as Mac trying to deflect rather than engage with Dunya. I'll likely be voting Mac or Epi today.

So do you have anything to say that actually addresses Dunya's points?

[VOTE: MACDOUGALL] aubergine

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:56 am
DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:45 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:41 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:38 am Quin is good, unlike the announcements.

I'd rather hear your take on two-bit DF.
I agree with his general sentiment that an isolated "call out" of my mechanics post is a suspicious thing. I direct that at DDL primarily.

DF directed it at nobody and didn't answer me when I asked him to gimme names, so that's bad. I feel no compulsion to call him a civilian.
Sorry for being at work?

I was referring to Epi and Mac, but more so Epi since Mac didn't actually imply that the charting meant that JJJ was bad. These posts from Epi show him suggesting that JJJ's efforts were a Mafia smokescreen:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:30 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:27 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:26 amLiterally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.
That's why civilians lose.
Civilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:32 am Jay is more concerned with the setup than with who is bad. I have solved this thing for you.
If Epi can offer evidence that JJJ primarily does this sort of analysis as a baddie but not as a civ I'll reconsider, but as it is I don't buy his reasoning here.
I thought that Epi was doing it as a way to gauge 3J's alignment. No idea about Mac though.

In Mac's case it did come across as trying to discourage JJJ's analysis by making his confusion with JJJ's methods highly visible, but his motive for doing so is harder for me to get a read on than Epi's posts. However I was just going over Mac's posts and this is suspect to me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:18 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:28 am no one asked me, but ima go ahead and tell you why i think mac is mafia.

he comes in here to demotivate jjj. he has an issue with jjj taking the leader role. he's vocalizing it to make others aware of these issues he has with jjj. he is trying to renounce jjj's place in the thread. ok...

but then nah, he doesn't wanna take jjj's place after all. he's happy being led. he's happy jjj being himself.

there was no purpose for the former or the latter. when someone comes in strong and then contradicts everything said, it is always a plot to weaken or cause conflict or shake trust in a person. macdougall here was initially trying to take civ jjj off course, and whether he continued or not, the posts are there. they have already garnered agreement from at least 2 other people. there is purpose behind every post, especially one that criticizes another player's playing style, and especially when macdougall is no newbie to jjj or his playstyle. it gets old ya know. the pocketing approach may have worked in ass-class, but it wouldn't work in any game i'm in.
This is all very basic analysis from someone with an intuition based game. You're bad because you picked the most logical case to put together that you could see, when ordinarily you are capable of deeper analysis than this.

He doesn't deny or even defend himself here, and actually says that Dunya has a logical case. But his reason for suspecting her is that she normally would put together a more complex case? To me this comes across as Mac trying to deflect rather than engage with Dunya. I'll likely be voting Mac or Epi today.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:41 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:38 am Quin is good, unlike the announcements.

I'd rather hear your take on two-bit DF.
I agree with his general sentiment that an isolated "call out" of my mechanics post is a suspicious thing. I direct that at DDL primarily.

DF directed it at nobody and didn't answer me when I asked him to gimme names, so that's bad. I feel no compulsion to call him a civilian.

Sorry for being at work?

I was referring to Epi and Mac, but more so Epi since Mac didn't actually imply that the charting meant that JJJ was bad. These posts from Epi show him suggesting that JJJ's efforts were a Mafia smokescreen:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:30 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:27 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:26 amLiterally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.
That's why civilians lose.
Civilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:32 am Jay is more concerned with the setup than with who is bad. I have solved this thing for you.

If Epi can offer evidence that JJJ primarily does this sort of analysis as a baddie but not as a civ I'll reconsider, but as it is I don't buy his reasoning here.

My initial reaction is suspicion of the people calling out JJJ for focusing on game mechanics and structure. JJJ is well established as our exposition character, so suspecting him for that feels like trying to ignore everything that came before, like Rian Johnson did with Last Jedi.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:52 am Still yet to hear from;

@ColinIsCool
@colonialbob
@DFaraday
@Dragon D. Luffy
@novaselinenever
@Quin

I set the over under of DFaraday's post count by the time he has to be subbed out at 3.

I would never sub out of a Community Mafia game, but I can see where you're coming from. I have a more disappointing track record than Shyamalan.

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