The Syndicate

Well done, everyone! And great job, MP! This game looked utterly insane to try to run.

I'm also wondering if I ever got targeted for kills. I spent the later half of the game just trying to use powers that would make me unkillable for that night.

Why don't the people who haven't voted just try to make it a tie?

Nothing against Boom, but I can't vote against Bea. *Votes Bea*

I doubt I'll be around for the end of the lynch, so I'll go ahead and vote now. I'll stick with my suspicion from yesterday. *votes Elohcin*

SVS, if it makes you feel any better, I feel irrelevant most of the time.

But you're a confirmed civ, so you're one of the most valuable players we have!

Hedge, I think the suspicion of you mainly comes down to process of elimination. SVS, LIzzy, and BWT are basically confirmed civvies, we have pretty solid reason to believe Nev, Bea, and Daisy are civvies, and Boom is probably Cohen (though he might be a straight-up baddie as well). That leaves you, me, FH, and Elo as the potential baddies. And FH at least has the Piranha thing, which alleviates my suspicion of her somewhat.

And I seriously doubt MP would introduce a 50-50 kill option this late in the game, but what do I know?

Flyin' High wrote:RIP and welcome back Spacedaisy. I suppose prizes could be in play, but considering I had already started thinking you weren't bad based on your past votes, I feel good about this.

Right now my top two suspects are Hedgeowl and Elohcin, plus a little bit of Boomslang. There isn't really evidence directly supporting either of them as being bad, but the timing of Hedgeowl's vote for Epi on Day 5 does make me think she could have been using that vote to distance. I will read back and see if she was consistent in suspecting Epi, or if that was a one time thing.

Also, as was pointed out earlier, Epignosis is pretty loud and proud about defending his wife when she's a civvie. That never happened this game. Is it because they were once again baddie teammates? Gonna read back through Epi and Elohcin's posts as wel to see if anything jumps out.

I feel like bea went very quiet after Mongoose's death. Could be she's just busy, or maybe just mad that we didn't listen to her, which is fair enough.

I'm pretty sure Epig always defends Elo, pretty much regardless of alignment.

I can never read Hedge, but I do feel like one or both or her and Elo are the remaining baddies. I think FH being killed by the Piranha plant way back gives her a bit more civvie cred.

S~V~S wrote:
bea wrote:I'm going to be on my phone most of the day.

In terms of ? my largest ones are for Boom, Elo and SD.

Hedgey and goosey are in the next level. It's possible one of them are conning me in my feelings of civness.

I feel pretty sure that DP is civ.

Then SVS, Nev and Lizzy.

I'm most sure I'm civ.

I have no idea where to vote, but I'm willing to follow what those I trust most think is best. I've had crap luck trying to figure anything out.
Based on that, I am not sure who you think to be Percy. Or, should i say, there is only one person you could be alluding to based on process of elimination, and i have read that persons posts over and over before today, and i have no idea how you would get that idea of this persons role, or indeed, any idea of their role at all, based on their posts.

I'm not sure if you're referring to who I think you're referring to, but I feel like the Percy hints haven't exactly been subtle.

RIP Mongoose. I hope Macgyver is still out there to stop this trainwreck of a run we've been having.

I don't know as I'll be on to vote before it ends, so I'll go ahead and *Vote Elo*

Well, Boomslang does have a good point there. And for the record, here's my suspish-o-meter as things currently stand, from most to least suspicious:

Elo
Mongoose
Boom
Hedge
Daisy
Bea
FH
Lizzy
Nevin
BWT
SVS
DF

I should have more to say, but I often lose my train of thought. Still, Elo is probably where my vote is going today.

I agree that it's better to focus on Fetus over Cohen at this point. I've not seen any reason to suggest Boom being one of those roles over the other, unless I missed something (which is quite possible).

No!!! Ugh, I fail so hard! I am so sorry MP, I'm not being a good champion.

And if I HAD remembered to vote in time, I would have stuck with Mongoose.

S~V~S wrote:TBH, Faradays post is making me want to vote for faraday~ he dismisses one circumstantial bit of belief out of hand, but fully accepts another circumstantial bit about someone else.

That's how I always play.

I have a tendency to go a bit off the rails rather than objectively analyze patterns (in Mafia, not necessarily in life).

And I tend not to put stock in Epig because every time I can remember Epig and Elo in a game together, he has defended her at least a little bit. I just feel like there's not anything to glean from this particular tangent, whereas I feel like the Mongoose thing could at least lead somewhere, since it's not like Mongoose votes along with Kate in every single game. If she did, I would discount that here as well.

I don't feel like we can determine much about Elo from Epig's actions, since he'd vouch for her no matter her alignment. However, I think I'm leaning more Mongoose at this point. I do feel like the Kate stuff is pretty solid evidence (and I'm often someone who doesn't even pay attention to evidence).

Lizzy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:You are not listening to what I am saying, Boom. I have said all I plan to on this topic.

But this has kinda shot you way up on my list.
You know, this could go either way:
1. He really doesn't know.
2. He's a very clever baddie and he's risking it all.

BWT, cheers for the Fetus insight. Here's what I'm thinking: I may have the numbers wrong; Moriarty is no more (no reveal), Creeper is probably still out there (killed last night); Fetus is probably still out there; Cohen is probably still out there; I may have the numbers wrong; but this is all there is left... and Catherine died somewhere in the process.

I'm very intrigued by Hedgie's analysis of Goosey... and I'm almost inclined to give her a chance based on her last post addressing my suspicions. But there's still the fact that her game has mostly been an indie hunt. And I'm good buddies with the indies, except when they get towards the end and choose the dark side.

I have a role in mind for DF. I'm trying to think of a way to phrase this so I won't out him: have you learnt anything interesting about any of the players?

kilinki - oh Boomslang! even I saw it eons ago and I'm probably worse than SVS at attributing roles to people.
Hedgie - thanks!

I don't know if you could say I've learned very much, really. You're probably on the right track though (at least I hope so

).

And interesting about Mongoose, I've been thinking civ for her for awhile. I'm also still open to an Elo lynch.

Flyin' High wrote:Thanks for the response, DF.

I checked back on voting records and saw that SD voted two days in row to lynch Epignosis, and one of those days he came close to getting lynched (he had 5 votes to Vomps' 7 votes). So I think it's less likely that she's a Video Game Baddie. She could still be a Manipulator and my original ping had to do with her socks post. So at this point she's still a question mark for me, but I feel better about her not being Creeper or Fetus.

I read back through all of Elohcin's posts. There is so little substance there. The only think I took from it is that she's not Percy because she was very suspicious of BDH and even voted for him.

On to more reading!

*Woah, linki world!*

Yeah, I definitely knew she wasn't Percy, but I haven't gotten a read on which side she's even on. As for Hedge, I'm hoping I can find time to read back on her today. I do feel better about Daisy after you pointed that voting pattern out.

And FH, I said you have a reputation for quietness. Maybe you're playing exactly the same as ever, but somehow it feels like in the past you've been a lot more post-y. Having said that, your recent posts seem very much like the ones I associate with you. And I don't actually have any suspicion of you besides that I thought you were posting different.

Today I will be looking mainly at the people I mentioned earlier.

EBWOP: BWT, Is there something in particular about me that you find pingy?

Flyin' High wrote:I was thinking about juliets and Creeper killing her. Could juliets have been Creeper and last night she exploded hoping to take down 4 people with her? The 2 players above her and 2 players below her alphabetically are me, Hedgeowl, Lizzy, and Mongoose. Lizzy is a civvie and I'm a civvie, not 100% certain on Hedge or Mongoose at this point. But if there was no chance of taking out a teammate by doing it, that would have been an excellent way to remove 4 players.

Occam's Razor tells me that theory is not likely to be true. But it popped into my head and I wanted to see what everyone else thought.

Also, I was reading back through some of MP's night posts and the scene in this one stood out to me. The baddies are gathered around playing poker. Catherine Martell, Moriarty, Creeper, and Dr. Fetus are mentioned, as well as Sander Cohen. Is that a hint that as of Night 9, those roles were all still alive? It true, then Rumpelstiltskin is dead and it confirms our belief that Big Daddy and Pirahna Plant are dead.

Also, there was this:
MovingPictures07 wrote:The players then walked over to the bus, ready to head to Illinois. Then, familiarly, it started raining papers, which read:

"I feel pretty confident that DF is a civvie. Also Bea and DH are pretty trustworthy, imo. Not so sure about BWT..."

The papers were signed by Jack Torrence. "Wait... wasn't Jack Vompatti??? And wasn't he dead???" inquired juliets. The champions pondered.
Was this the work of the sinister exaggerator, or something else?

There is at least one civvie role that could have something to do with that.

BWT, I pointed out FH's quietness because she has a reputation for being a talkative civ with long, detailed posts (like the one I just quoted, actually. That I wasn't seeing much of that pinged me. My play style, on the other hand, is exactly what you've been seeing this whole game.

Out of the remaining players, I feel the least trusting of Elo, Hedge, and Daisy. I am also wary of FH not being talkative as usual, but she might be busy classifying bugs that resemble this:

Also, I have no read at all on Boomslang.

I was at school at didn't realize it ended early! I would have gone with BWT though, and I do think Bea is civ.

Elohcin wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Anybody else have any thoughts or suspects? SD/Eloh in particular pop to my mind when I think of blendy players that may be baddies hiding from the crossfire.
blendy? pff! j/k I know I'm blendy. It works for me as a civ. But on top of that, my cakes have been a full time job this month and are continuing to be. Then I have homeschooling and housework on top of all that. I'm busier than I've ever been.

High five for being a blendy civ!

And high five for homeschooling!

And you're doing fantastically, MP!

bea wrote:I am pretty sure that elo wasn't his partner. of that I can be at least pretty positive of.

I'm pretty sure you're right about that.

What the heck, BDH?????

RIP SVS! And sorry host for missing the Day 8 vote!

I'm not sorry about missing the Day 9 one though, because come on.

I was wrong about Llama, I did think he was bad. But I was leaning civ for SVS, so at least I got that right.

I went with Tennessee, because it's pretty there and I met a kitten there once.

Nevinera wrote:
Flyin' High wrote: thellama73 - narrowed down to roles that aren't on Video Game Killers
I'm not sure I'm interpreting your strike correctly, but why can't llama be Fetus again?

I would also like to know this, because Llama is the guy I'm thinking of today.

As for the rest, Nev, Bea, BDH, and DH have seemed civvie to me. I feel like this is probably civvie FH too.

I'm up in the air about BWT still, but he hasn't actually been doing anything shady, so I'd rather go with Llama.

I think the Vomps case is plausible, and supports my existing suspicion for him. *Votes Vomps*

DharmaHelper wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I had been suspicious of Gleam before, but seeing as he's dead now, I want to go back and see how I feel about BWT. I felt his earlier encounter with DH was pingy, but that was awhile ago. I also want to hear what Bea is up to today.

BWT and I had an Encounter?

Also I should note that I will come back and complete my rereads of people probably tomorrow, as today is Super Bowl day so not a great deal of time to bear down and focus. Aside from that, I should mention that I think very highly of you DF as a person and a player so I'm glad you are taking some time to get your thoughts together. I will be interested in seeing what you come up with when you're ready.

I don't know how to feel about this.

And I was actually thinking of Vomp's random vote for DH for no reason. I seem to have misremembered BWT doing that somehow. Sorry BWT! As it stands I would not be opposed to voting Vomps.

As for Llama, I think if he is a lynchable baddie, it would be better to get rid of him whether he has a kill or not. I haven't seen much to convince me he's bad though.

I had been suspicious of Gleam before, but seeing as he's dead now, I want to go back and see how I feel about BWT. I felt his earlier encounter with DH was pingy, but that was awhile ago. I also want to hear what Bea is up to today.

BWT would be my next choice after Vomp, but I'm still trying to figure out the BWT/Epig/Bea stuff before I come to too strong a conclusion.

I had been suspecting Vomps a bit earlier on, and he's really not seeming more civ lately. I am torn, but I do feel that DH is civvie, so I will *vote Vomps*

And for the record, I am inclined to think Epig is civvie, based on his play style currently.

Yeah, Bea is definitely looking bad. Trying to get a civ lynched is always a red flag for me.

Devin, I thought you were writing in sarcastic orange at first, which made your posts seem odd to me.

Anyway, I am confident that BDH is civvie, I think he was just feeling RL stress. The Hedge vote is odd, but not really pingy to me.

Hedgeowl wrote:Everyone here is suffering from colds, so out of it this week.

I am going to throw my to Vomps. He low posting, but not missing votes makes me think he is invested in this game more than he is letting on possibly. Plus as several noted Zodac seems to be picking the winner anyway.

Although I did find it interesting how FH, SVS, and Lizzy were picked before that secret was revealed. It means we wouldn't have questioned it too much with 1 change but what if he had picked 3 different people?

I agree about Vomp. In WWE he had a major civvie role, and sent in his PMs faithfully, but hardly posted in-thread, and even less on-topic posting.

I'm leaning towards Gleam atm. I considered Vomps for his random DH vote early in the game, but as that is his normal style I don't want to put too much weight on it.

Speaking of, I feel like this poll is biased against those of us who happen to have an elusive playing style.

agleaminranks wrote:At this point I'm not inclined to believe either the case against Llama or DharmaHelper. Neither strike me as being suspicious enough in their activities to say beyond reasonable doubt, at least.

I will say that Rob's playing this game has been vicious, and strikes me as possibly being an affront. Unless something drastic happens, I think I'm placing my vote on Epignosis.

Epig is normally vicious, that's his style.

And I went with Llama because of the DH thing. I could have gone gleam or Llama, but went with the latter.

BigDamnHero wrote:Long story short, my car broke down & I've been working on it all day to get it roadworthy before i WORK in 2 hrs so I hafta cast a quick vote. I'm gonna vote for Gleam for the following reason:
BigDamnHero wrote:
agleaminranks wrote:
Sherlock wrote:In fact, as I ponder the circumstances of this scenario, I am convinced the murderer would want to hide himself. Therefore, algeaminranks will receive my vote.

Should he receive yours? Well, that's your decision. I am sticking with my evaluation.

Nonetheless, it should prompt the ignoramus to show himself.
Up yours, aspie. Some of us have actual jobs, ya freebooter.

I think Llama makes some fair points about DharmaHelper quashing discussion, though from my point of view it just seems like it's in DH's self defense that he does so. Llama's participation in this game feels a little bit... different than in other games I've played. I can't quite put my finger on it, but maybe I can elaborate more when my vocabulary ceases to fail me so.

Not to undermine DharmaHelper's intelligence in any way, but the first thought that comes to my mind is that with him being the near-only worker on His Royal Anus's clues is that it would be the perfect way to cover up that he might be one person who has a secret role. Perhaps he's intentionally flubbing some missed translations on purpose to add credence to his innocence?
At this point, I'm all but certain of Dh's civvieness. He helped with the Caesar code bullshit from Avant Day and now he's openly translating Sherlock's code. If he were bad, he could keep all that info to himself and unravel the codes via PM's to the host. instead, he's openly disemminating the information. Granted, there may be the SLIGHTEST of possibilities thatg he's mastermining an elaborate and ballsy baddie agenda but I don't think that is likely.
I missed most of the "DH Discussion squashing" debate, but as I said in myt reply to gleam's post, I don't see how someone who has been openly disseminating info (thus openly helping the players) could possibly be deemed as having bad intentions. The most outspoken and helpful civs are often the main targets of baddies and I kinda think that's what's going on here so my vote goes to Gleam.

I dunno why Sherlock already cast a vote for agleam, but it didn't influence my decision one way or another...

I agree. DH. is reading helpful civvie to me, and saying he's trying to squash discussion makes no sense to me.

blindfaeth wrote:I've personally found that I've been agreeing with BWT a lot

That makes you less suspicious to me. I think if BWT is bad (which I'm inclined to believe), his teammate wouldn't openly agree with him.

I do agree with FH that we should probably keep a vote on Bea, at least until we know what's going on. But I do think BWT's 180 is very shady, so I'm leaning more towards him than Bea at this point.

Bullzeye wrote:I'm also gonna vote DP. Agleam and DF also need to up their game a bit by the look of the numbers.

I have been hosting a demanding game.

I should be a bit more active now though.

Welcome back BDH, and I'm also voting DP, for obvious reasons.

blindfaeth wrote:I find it odd no one really seemed to care BDH just died. RIPiywg-

I care. RIP BDH, you stood up for freedom, like the guy, I assume you got your name from.

Also, I voted Vomp, because I stick by what I said earlier.

juliets wrote:DF do you have someone particular in mind whose name is revealed?

If I had to vote right now, I'd probably go with Vomps, since I can't remember him contributing, and he voted DH for seemingly no reason. I don't have a good read on a lot of people yet.

This is way too boggling. I agree with Devin that I'll end up voting someone whose name is revealed.

Well, since we want to spread the vote out, why don't we all just choose one number and vote that one?

Mr Doge, your attempts to distract us with Queen is a nice way to spend the rest of the lynch; I'm glad I spent it with you. Now let's hope you just keep me hanging on...no longer.

These are getting pretty forced.

Alright then. Well, since it's just a perfect day, I'll just sit back and hope that we made the right call. But we'd better hope that the baddies aren't laughing at us before they go drink sangria in the park.

I voted for the obvious candidate, and to him I say, "You're going to reap just what you sow." And MP, while waiting for the lynch post, you just keep me hanging on.

Am I the only one around here who's actually trying to fit the lyrics into sentences?

I don't know if it's a good idea to put too much stock into potential editing, since we generally don't know all the details. While I do think that we need to broaden our search, Nevinera does have a good point.

I'll have to vote pretty soon because I've got a busy day. I have to feed animals in the zoo, then later a movie, too.

Dom, in my experience Vomp does whatever he wants regardless of alignment. I'd want something more conclusive regarding him before I feel comfortable voting him. And just remember Vomp, if you are bad, you're going to reap just what you sow. You're going to reap just what you sow.

You just keep me hanging on, Voldemort. But I think we can't get too narrowly focused, and we need to try to draw more people out. We should try to get everyone to share their thoughts, and then later, when it gets dark, we go home.

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