Return to “Dr. Who Mafia - Night 12”
That seems fair. There had to be some kind of limit on the recruit team.MovingPictures07 wrote:Correct, until I got recruited. Then it was decided that, if I were the last one alive of the recruits, I would not regenerate upon death.DFaraday wrote:So to be clear on the Doctor's regeneration: It was unlimited, right? MP, you literally could come back to life an infinite number of times throughout the game?
Although from the looks of it, by the time I role hinted nobody but Team Recruit could have won anyway. Agreed, although I still think Ninjablooper could be Cyber. After Snow Dog it's one of those two.Chris wrote:SVS, for what it's worth, if Snow Dog didn't eliminate the Cybers, I'm pretty sure that Epig is the last one, based on his posts and his votes.
I think you might be right. She's been rather un-SVS-like to me this game.Dom wrote:I also think SVS has been recruited.
She is FAR too quiet, has not enough opinions, and hasn't really questioned me (she usually mentions me as her blindspot way earlier). In fact, I don't really remember interacting with her all game. That's strange.
Very strange.
Maybe not, but since people already thought you were AND you survived a lynch, it's going to be very hard to convince people otherwise.Dom wrote:I'M NOT EVEN THE MASTER
I get that, but I can see why Dom would be frustrated. There's no way to defend against vibes, or worse, infodumping, which is why I feel bad if my hints caused Dom to get not-lynched here.Long Con wrote:Like I said, my own comfort with a Dom lynch was based on gut.DFaraday wrote:And fair play to you, I suppose. My main point was that in general, the push for Dom didn't seem to be founded much on actual casework.Epignosis wrote:What?DFaraday wrote:I do think this game really got out of hand in a few different ways, and I'm as much to blame as anyone. I'm actually going to feel kind of bad if it turns out you are the Master at this point because of the lack of deductive reasoning any of us (except Zeek) used to get there.Dom wrote:I am so saddened that THIS is how we play Mafia now.
People playing horribly is causing people to come to faulty conclusions. Love it.
EBWOP: Wow, LC, you're saying pretty much the exact opposite of what I said.Nothing wrong with gut. Even though I didn't vote for him, I had thought of him as my main Master suspect for days.
And fair play to you, I suppose. My main point was that in general, the push for Dom didn't seem to be founded much on actual casework.Epignosis wrote:What?DFaraday wrote:I do think this game really got out of hand in a few different ways, and I'm as much to blame as anyone. I'm actually going to feel kind of bad if it turns out you are the Master at this point because of the lack of deductive reasoning any of us (except Zeek) used to get there.Dom wrote:I am so saddened that THIS is how we play Mafia now.
People playing horribly is causing people to come to faulty conclusions. Love it.
EBWOP: Wow, LC, you're saying pretty much the exact opposite of what I said.
I do think this game really got out of hand in a few different ways, and I'm as much to blame as anyone. I'm actually going to feel kind of bad if it turns out you are the Master at this point because of the lack of deductive reasoning any of us (except Zeek) used to get there.Dom wrote:I am so saddened that THIS is how we play Mafia now.
People playing horribly is causing people to come to faulty conclusions. Love it.
So if I survive this lynch, everyone is going to think you're the Master. It'll pretty much be a done deal.Dom wrote:Welp, I'm gonna be honest with you all-- it's gonna look a lot like me being the Master-- and this is why I didn't want to be lynched.
But, alas, I am not.
Gotrees, you're my new favorite person.Gotrees wrote:Okay, I'm a bit late to the party (sorry), but it looks like it's between Dom and DF right now. I don't want to waste my vote again, so I'm gonna vote Dom tonight.
Between the two, I just don't understand how it could be DF. As a quieter player, I sympathize with him, and he comes across as genuine to me. At the very beginning of the game, Dom was overly-anxious to vote for Made, and I think he got some slack for that because most people ended up agreeing with him, but lately he seems to be a lot less anxious to accuse people like that. Might it be because he has fewer lives left to lose?
With everyone else's theories thrown in as well, the arrows point more to Dom tonight, it seems to me.
Dom as Cyber? I kind of doubt that, seeing as he voted for Cybers three days in a row.Chris wrote:Possible players who can be The Master:
Dom - I'd say he's Cyber before The Master.
Ninju - Playing that under the radar game, so could be.
DF - Having his name brought up heavily has finally brought him into the game. His role hints do nothing for me. He is the only one of all of The Master suspects that has survived a NK.
DF really hasn't brought anything to the discussion until he was basically forced to. His role hints only came out after he got heavily suspected. I hate to say it, but even the role he's claiming isn't all that big of a help. He can't make a NK rebound, and let's face it, after this, no baddie will target him with any night actions because it can be turned back. So he's sorta of expendable. He'll be a question until he dies or The Master is found. So if we are initiating "Operation Find The Master", my vote will be going on to DF.
I will say that I reserve a small area of suspicion for Epig to be The Master, but, I doubt that anyone would replace out of that role, the same thing I said about rey.
However, it would seem that the Cybers are Master hunting... so I think I will wait to see what happens. My vote is staying on Snow Dog since I feel the strongest about him being bad.
I think it's quite possible MM was recruited by the Master and Roxy was recruited by a third party recruiter, which would mean no alignment between them, If so, then Dom voting/distancing from MM looks very plausible. Of course, we don't know who recruited MM, so that particular piece of evidence is not much on its own to condemn Dom. He was already on my short list for the role, as I've said before, and this plus his distracting form the decoding, plus my own detective work on Ninja suggesting that she's not the Master, all contribute to my growing suspicion that Dom is, indeed, the Time Lord we're looking for.zeek wrote:Okay guys, you're unconvinced he's the Master? What about the recruiter?
I still think there's something to him trying to stop me decoding the Master's secrets, but look at the Epi 1.0 lynch again.
Roxy and Metalmarsh voting the same way. A big question mark over Dom.
I think he's the Master, but there's a chance he's the recruiter even if I am wrong.
).I'm glad you appreciate it. Serving humans is my sole purpose.Hedgeowl wrote:No idea if SVS is recruited, but she pretty clearly is a role MP knows and she has hinted herself, so I don't get this new idea about her.
DF -oh man I love your posts right now. Well played sir, well played. I am putting you in my, likely civ category, but the devil is in the details, so we will see.
ALL of the other roles? That's odd. That's very odd.MovingPictures07 wrote:LOL at S~V~S being recruiter. Chris, I can't believe you still haven't pegged her role yet.
Yes, I don't understand why he would drop this line if it didn't indicate something. So I tried saving you last night, DF, and it didn't work.DFaraday wrote:This is all assuming I am the Master. If I get lynched, you will simply be down a civvie, and the Cybermen AND the Master will all still be in play. And I'll have been another civvie the Doctor failed to save. I just don't understand why so many people are willing to eschew lynching almost certain baddies in favor of a vague case that says I'm too blendy. None of this is making sense to me. I'm not saying you're bad, Chris, but certainly there are some baddies in this awkward push for me.Chris wrote:Hedgie, the next two NKs would only leave him alive with no more protections.
It's kinda now for a lynch for him, if you believe he's The Master.
Bass as the Cyber controller is not as big a threat. We know who he is. He has no night actions other then the NK, which we need to kill The Master.
Besides, voting the guy who we need to take a swipe at The Master... I mean, that's kinda rude, isn't it?
Listen, I'm not one to tell you how to vote, I'm just asking you to think about it.
As I said, there is a possibility this means DF is a noncompanion civvie, but I have all of those roles pegged by other players.
That seems pretty shady to me. I'm starting to think the Recruiter role is Missy, a new character this season. SPOILER: She pretty much did exactly that, brought back a dead character, seemingly to do her bidding.Chris wrote:When I hear "NK recruitment death", I think of someone who is killed via NK, and the kill is also a recruitment. Like a zombie of sorts.S~V~S wrote:Be careful what you wish for, Chris
Welcome back, LC
I think eliminating cybers will eliminate recruits. It is totally possible that they recruited, or tried or will try, to recruit the whole cyber team, like we did with the cops in Fight Club. We don't know.
LINKI, An NK recruitment death is also possible.
SVS later clarifies with:
"An NK of a recruited person."S~V~S wrote:An NK of a recruited pwersob. An NK recruitment death.Chris wrote: A what?
<snip>
But leading up to this, that's all I was talking about. I listed who of the NKed players could have been recruited. Why say it again, but only in this weird phrasing?
I think SVS fucked up suggesting that someone could have been NKed and they'd come back to life recruited. Except there's nothing to suggest that, and then she quickly changed what she claims she meant.
She did vote for Roxy, which makes me wonder about the recruitment. But the Cybers have a rolecheck, which is another reason I'm leaning towards her being a Cyber rather than a recruit.Dom wrote:Interesting.DFaraday wrote: The first thing I noticed is that she was not really under the radar in the early game; while Ninja's posts were few, each one tended to be quite long and expressive. However, her early and mid-game suspicions skewed heavily towards the Daleks. Made and Enrique were her top suspects around Day 4, with Ninja consistently bringing them up and voicing suspicion of them.
Do you think this would indicate that Nju could have been recruited?
I would support a lynch for SD, because I'm pretty confident he's bad.I suppose I could have said something like, "I think the Master is Dom or Ninja or one of the other people I have no strong opinion of." But since I've been under suspicion of being the Master since the last day phase, I thought talking about the Master like that would just look like I was trying to throw Master suspicion onto anyone but myself. It seemed better to keep it to myself until I actually had some evidence (I still don't) or until I was specifically asked who I thought the Master could be.Dom wrote:But... if you had that throught, why not explain this way at the time. surely that wasn't an original thought in between the 14 hours of those posts.DFaraday wrote:I didn't want to just randomly say, "I think Dom could be the Master" when I have absolutely no evidence beyond the fact that I haven't placed you as a civvie or baddie. It would seem like something really accusatory and unhelpful to just put out there, but when I was directly asked who my suspects for the Master are, I did bring you up.Dom wrote:So if hit was the case why not say that? Why say you have no idea when you had an idea?DFaraday wrote:I'm a little surprised I survived the night, although I guess the Cybers figure I'm an easy lynch target anyway.
I want to address the point Dom has brought up a couple of times in regards to my sudden mention of him being the Master. Dom, Ninja, the very point of it was that I had no previous opinion of you. I have people I believe to be civvie, and I have people whom I believe to be Cybermen. Thus, I figured the Master is likely in that middle range of people I haven't slotted into either of the former categories, and that included you by default. It had nothing to do with Epi having mentioned both of you previously (I think Epi is bad anyway, so why would I copy his opinions?).
And I do think SD has been defending Bass because SD is also a Cyberman.
Because you wanted to play it extra safe. Me thinks.
I didn't want to just randomly say, "I think Dom could be the Master" when I have absolutely no evidence beyond the fact that I haven't placed you as a civvie or baddie. It would seem like something really accusatory and unhelpful to just put out there, but when I was directly asked who my suspects for the Master are, I did bring you up.Dom wrote:So if hit was the case why not say that? Why say you have no idea when you had an idea?DFaraday wrote:I'm a little surprised I survived the night, although I guess the Cybers figure I'm an easy lynch target anyway.
I want to address the point Dom has brought up a couple of times in regards to my sudden mention of him being the Master. Dom, Ninja, the very point of it was that I had no previous opinion of you. I have people I believe to be civvie, and I have people whom I believe to be Cybermen. Thus, I figured the Master is likely in that middle range of people I haven't slotted into either of the former categories, and that included you by default. It had nothing to do with Epi having mentioned both of you previously (I think Epi is bad anyway, so why would I copy his opinions?).
And I do think SD has been defending Bass because SD is also a Cyberman.
Because you wanted to play it extra safe. Me thinks.
...do you want to share what that was? Because I was indeed hinting yesterday, pretty blatantly, in my opinion.MovingPictures07 wrote:HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE.
DFaraday is probably the Master. That is not what I was expecting.
Now there's a really small chance for error, but I don't know. I thought he was hinting at something yesterday and it turns out it's not true.
Well, I can't say much in response to that. I didn't want to really discuss who the Master might be previously because I didn't want to draw the attention of the Master, especially since those people were not being mentioned at all as possible SKs. Once I was asked directly, I brought up the people I don't have a role for, since I figure he might be one of them.Epignosis wrote:BULLSHIT.DFaraday wrote:I'm a little surprised I survived the night, although I guess the Cybers figure I'm an easy lynch target anyway.
I want to address the point Dom has brought up a couple of times in regards to my sudden mention of him being the Master. Dom, Ninja, the very point of it was that I had no previous opinion of you. I have people I believe to be civvie, and I have people whom I believe to be Cybermen. Thus, I figured the Master is likely in that middle range of people I haven't slotted into either of the former categories, and that included you by default. It had nothing to do with Epi having mentioned both of you previously (I think Epi is bad anyway, so why would I copy his opinions?).
And I do think SD has been defending Bass because SD is also a Cyberman.
Three guesses which way Snow will vote.zeek wrote:Bass and Snowy haven't voted yet.
Thank you for your honesty, sir.Chris wrote:I want to point out, in one part of my argument on why DF was The Master, I stated that when he voted for Elo, he said that one of the reasons was because she survived a NK. I said that he ignored Strax's civ save thing.
A PM to the host confirmed that at the time DF said this, it was not in Strax's role that the first three civs would not be killed.
I just wanted to clarify that.
Epignosis wrote:DFaraday wrote:I am considering Dom and Ninja as possibilities, although I don't really have any evidence since, as you pointed out, since we don't know the Master as having BTSC with anyone it does make finding him difficult.zeek wrote:DF, who do you think the Master is? Surely he's likely going to be under the radar, like yourself, so how else can a case be formed?
Epignosis wrote:Dom and Nijuu, zeek.
I am considering Dom and Ninja as possibilities, although I don't really have any evidence since, as you pointed out, since we don't know the Master as having BTSC with anyone it does make finding him difficult. I also don't want to excuse Chris from that role, just because everyone seems to have accepted at face value that he's a civ. I just think that it's a terrible strategy to let virtually confirmed baddies be and go lynching people based on hunches. The circle must be broken.zeek wrote:DF, who do you think the Master is? Surely he's likely going to be under the radar, like yourself, so how else can a case be formed?
This is all assuming I am the Master. If I get lynched, you will simply be down a civvie, and the Cybermen AND the Master will all still be in play. And I'll have been another civvie the Doctor failed to save. I just don't understand why so many people are willing to eschew lynching almost certain baddies in favor of a vague case that says I'm too blendy. None of this is making sense to me. I'm not saying you're bad, Chris, but certainly there are some baddies in this awkward push for me.Chris wrote:Hedgie, the next two NKs would only leave him alive with no more protections.
It's kinda now for a lynch for him, if you believe he's The Master.
Bass as the Cyber controller is not as big a threat. We know who he is. He has no night actions other then the NK, which we need to kill The Master.
Besides, voting the guy who we need to take a swipe at The Master... I mean, that's kinda rude, isn't it?
Listen, I'm not one to tell you how to vote, I'm just asking you to think about it.
So if it had been switched to me instead of TH, would you be going after him today?Chris wrote:juliets wrote:Chris, I'm as sure as i can be that you are civ so I'm certainly willing to listen to what you have to say. After all, you got me to really look at bass and I became as sure as I can be that he is bad.
I will read through DF's posts and take a look at whatever you and Epig bring to the table today about DF. My problem, as you know, is I like to look at things from all sides and it takes me a bit of time to get comfortable with there being enough evidence to call someone bad. The tug here will be that a vote for bass is seductive because I feel so strongly he is bad and a vote for DF right now for me would be a leap of faith. Like I said though, I have an open mind to your thoughts and will look at him more closely.
DF on another subject, what would cause you to say you see me as possibly bad before you've even read all my posts? What have I done or said that causes you to feel that way?
linki DF will read after posting
Jules... I'm all for a Bass vote. And before today, that's where I would have lead. But The Master is going to be so difficult to get rid of, I think prudence is the main factor at this point. That's outside of the fact that I think he was recruited.
Start with asking yourself why TH was needed for that switch? Why not switch it to DF? That's all it took for me to see it.
JC, I don't think you're a Cyberman. I thought the idea that you were the Master was a possibility, mainly because there aren't that many roles left and someone has to be. I do still think it's a possibility, but upon reviewing your posts, I don't find anything to actually support my claims. So it's just a numbers-based theory, nothing more.juliets wrote:Chris, I'm as sure as i can be that you are civ so I'm certainly willing to listen to what you have to say. After all, you got me to really look at bass and I became as sure as I can be that he is bad.
I will read through DF's posts and take a look at whatever you and Epig bring to the table today about DF. My problem, as you know, is I like to look at things from all sides and it takes me a bit of time to get comfortable with there being enough evidence to call someone bad. The tug here will be that a vote for bass is seductive because I feel so strongly he is bad and a vote for DF right now for me would be a leap of faith. Like I said though, I have an open mind to your thoughts and will look at him more closely.
DF on another subject, what would cause you to say you see me as possibly bad before you've even read all my posts? What have I done or said that causes you to feel that way?
linki DF will read after posting
Hang on, your theory is that I was just recruited, and yet your case on me earlier was focusing on everything I did prior to last night. So to be clear: Your case on me is that I'm the Master (despite absolutely no evidence for that notion except that I survived a kill which specifically allows civvies to survive), and that I was recruited by some other team (which makes no sense from an in-show or an in-game standpoint; the nigh invincible, last-man-standing SK can get recruited? Really?).Chris wrote: @ zeek: I do think DF was recruited. I think MP was recruited night 7, and DF was recruited night 9.
That seems like a very conditional suspicion. Seeing as I was targeted by Strax, I can only assume the reason I survived was because I am a civvie. I do recognize the other options are possible, but that's not what happened. Also, if those other people you mention haven't been targeted for an NK yet, we have no idea of knowing whether they would survive (although I expect at least one of them would).Epignosis wrote:Yes DF. Unfortunately, I can only use the quick reply feature to post because of the Internet filter here. In a nutshell: Allowing for two specific assumptions, I have the Master narrowed down to one of four(!) people. Only you and one other person survived a NK, and I don't think the other person who survived a NK is The Master. Coincidentally, you are a possible Cyberman according to my spreadsheet, and the Cyber Controller could also explain your survival. Therefore, I think you should be lynched.
I had 4 votes at the start of the last lynch, and people have consistently been raising suspicion about me pretty much since Day 1. It's not a LOT of heat, but I've not exactly been going unnoticed like some of the other low posters.Chris wrote:This quote from keys, stuck out to me. (Remember, I firmly believe keys to be recruited)
There's a few things happening here. keys is says if he's killed, look at SEVEN different people... one of which is DF. Then, they're also setting up juliets for the next lynch.DFaraday wrote:If I were a baddie, I definitely wouldn't kill you. That'd be just begging for unwanted attention.keys56000000000 wrote:If I die, look towards Bass, DF, Gotrees, Nijuukyoshryuken, and maybe even Dom, Elocin and BR (although I'm more doubtful about those three) as your remaining mafioso.
Correct.Metalmarsh89 wrote:keys is a she right? Or did I misread somewhere?
Interesting idea there about Juliets. I really don't have a role in mind for her, so it's something I'll have to think about.
And looky here, from this morning:
And she says she's voting for Bass, but SVS has a habit of starting off voting for one player, but then ending with voting for another. This vote on Bass will most likely not stay here.S~V~S wrote:I can't wait to hear Epi 2.0s case on Juliets 2.0
And Chris, I think Bass was being saved yesterday. I am very wary of those trying to distract from that.
And I am no more recruited or recruiter today than I was yesterday. Waiting to see if you back up your belief in me like your belief on MP.
Look back at her posts... she does it a LOT.
What? What heat? Hegie has voted for you twice, and keys voted for you once. 3 votes the entire game is heat? Oh right... keys' case that you're "playing too perfectly"... yeah, that gem of solid evidence. You were definitely at risk of being lynched..DFaraday wrote:Everyone has been so intense this game, my goodness.
Chris, you made note that I still had a vote, but it wasn't switched to me. I'm guessing it's because the baddies know I keep taking heat, and figured I'd be a viable lynch candidate in the future, whereas TH really wasn't. Either that or they just had to pick someone and went with TH.
I've got to stop here to go to work. I'll expand on this later today... but it's starting to look like DF could be The Master.
If I were a baddie, I definitely wouldn't kill you. That'd be just begging for unwanted attention.keys56000000000 wrote:If I die, look towards Bass, DF, Gotrees, Nijuukyoshryuken, and maybe even Dom, Elocin and BR (although I'm more doubtful about those three) as your remaining mafioso.
Correct.Metalmarsh89 wrote:keys is a she right? Or did I misread somewhere?
). The impression I got from the role description is that at a random point in the game the Head gains that ability, I wouldn't have considered the body being another teammate.Chris wrote:Stop.Turnip Head wrote:You'd hate to waste a kill now, would you?Chris wrote:I'd sure as shit hate to waste a kill. I'd LOVE to lynch The Cyber Controller.
You know what I meant.
I was also thinking about the CyberMan head. Do you think that the "body" is the other secret role? Wouldn't that give the CyberMen a 5th team member? That seems overpowered to me. A living role check, and a role that can't be NKed.
But how else can that work? Is the body a civvie role? Like, since it's separated from the head, it's not evil?
LINKI @ TH:
I think you're overselling my "sureness" a bit.Hedgeowl wrote:Df - you asked for clarification on what i was wary of. It was your sureness of made an enri as teammies in thread, having not been very involved at all, and then the sudden thread takeover of the idea that they were teammates. When you were questioned about it you backtrack in this post, but then say that you rethought they are not teammates, after Made voted to save himself making it seem like a team save. Then you vote enrique the next lynch, but dont post why that i could find.DFaraday wrote:The bandwagon that led to Snow Dog 1.0's death read to me like a save attempt, and I still wonder whether it was. That was the biggest thing which sent me in Made's direction (then his inconsistent behavior and self vote just dug him deeper in my view).Dom wrote:DFaraday, Hedge's post actually reminded me about something I meant to comment on earlier.
Can you explain the following:
In this post, you said you didn't see anything about Made that caused suspicion. You said nothing about Made seemed baddie.
What changed when you made this post? You didn't make any posts about Made in the interim. I'm confused as to how you got to that thought.
Hedge, I don't have any real grounds for believing that they are teammates, but I did (and do) feel pretty confident that Made was bad, and I was wary of Enrqiue. I had a thought that the shenanigans yesterday might have been some kind of a ploy between the two of them to ensure Made's survival, and thus thought the teammates idea had some merit. The more I think about it, the less Enrique's NK survival makes sense in that scenario, though.
Before anyone says anything about it: Yes, I'm changing my view on something. Because I thought about it further and didn't come to the same conclusion as I did before.
Overall reading throught df's posts he seems to leave the door open to suspecting everyone. The same in the Epi v. mm lynch. He voted mm, but still suspected epi. It justs doesnt feel right to me and i think you are cyber.
Here is my original post on Made and Enrique, where I say I think that IF Enrique is bad, he's teamed with Made, but I'm more sure about Made. I was hardly at Keys-ian levels of confidence. 
