The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Hi.

Congrats everyone!

Golden and MM confirmed invincible.

Bye.
Oh hey, I won.

DFaraday wrote:Excellent game, hosts! This was easily one of my most enjoyable Mafia games until my death. I was seriously upset by my death here more than any other Mafia death, since I made it clear to everyone that killing me was totally unnecessary.

Salacious Crumb, you little bugger, why did you kill me?

I honestly wasn't really trying to find the baddies near endgame since I didn't care who was bad, but Wilgy being a Hutt surprised me. I was also a little surprised that Mac was civ, since I figured one of the teams would have killed him long ago if he had been civ.
Good game Tuskenbuddy! I had no idea you were the other one, but I hope you picked up the not-so-subtle clues that I was a Raider. :P

Thanks Dharma and Epignosis for the game. I was pleased to see that the other Tusken Raider was able to adjust his list to match mine before he died.

I figured you probably were, but then Wilgy came along and pulled a mind trick.

Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:Awesome game, hosts and players! This was a fabulous role for me at this time of year, and my teammates were extra awesome

It was fun coming up with items, and even more fun coming up with duds I'm curious as to who bought our lovely wares.
DFaraday was your most loyal customer.
It sounds like everyone else bought the duds and dfaraday got the good stuff. Most of them were not duds.

I did get good stuff. I used the Carbon-Freeze Chamber on Glorfindaisy, and when there was no Hutt kill the next night, believed them to be Hutt. But I guess the chamber didn't accomplish anything if the Stormtrooper is vanilla.

DrWilgy wrote:
DFaraday wrote:Excellent game, hosts! This was easily one of my most enjoyable Mafia games until my death. I was seriously upset by my death here more than any other Mafia death, since I made it clear to everyone that killing me was totally unnecessary.

Salacious Crumb, you little bugger, why did you kill me?

I honestly wasn't really trying to find the baddies near endgame since I didn't care who was bad, but Wilgy being a Hutt surprised me. I was also a little surprised that Mac was civ, since I figured one of the teams would have killed him long ago if he had been civ.
Lol, sorry about that. I have never felt bad for a NK before until this game. Both killing you and MM were hard for me.

I had to kill you to keep your role hidden and keep the number of "lynchable" players remaining aligned with when I was able to kill.

You should have killed Matt.

I wanted to push for killing the players I needed dead, but I didn't want to turn anyone against me. I was secretly rooting against Mac all along (sorry Mac).

Epignosis wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:Awesome game, hosts and players! This was a fabulous role for me at this time of year, and my teammates were extra awesome

It was fun coming up with items, and even more fun coming up with duds I'm curious as to who bought our lovely wares.
DFaraday was your most loyal customer.

I also tried to buy the night kill protection, but apparently three other people were even richer than me on that night.

But since I won anyway I can now celebrate as a Force Ghost, because I guess Tuskens can do that too.

Excellent game, hosts! This was easily one of my most enjoyable Mafia games until my death. I was seriously upset by my death here more than any other Mafia death, since I made it clear to everyone that killing me was totally unnecessary.

Salacious Crumb, you little bugger, why did you kill me?

I honestly wasn't really trying to find the baddies near endgame since I didn't care who was bad, but Wilgy being a Hutt surprised me. I was also a little surprised that Mac was civ, since I figured one of the teams would have killed him long ago if he had been civ.

Tusken is spelled with an e.

My preferred way to watch is I-VII.

Mac's case on Bubble sounds good enough to me. *votes Bubbles*

MacDougall wrote:Though the Indys likely just have a survival win-con hence the mass amounts of low effort. Attempting to not rock the boat etc.

Haha, pretty much.

But in the interest of actually doing something useful, I'll say that a look at the voting patterns suggests that Dom is not Empire, but Bubbles and Bass have little to show in their voting patterns, so they look worse by default.

Daisy could also be bad, so if I had to say, I'd guess Bubbles, Bass, and Daisy are the final three baddies.

Russtifinko wrote:Yay no death!

I'm continuing my streak by voting Wilgy. STREAK FOR THE CURE!

Russ, why exactly do you suspect Wilgy?

I am going to be traveling all day so I have to vote now. *Voting Eloh*

Elohcin wrote:
DFaraday wrote:So how many baddies are left? Minimum two, maximum four, I'd think. Off hand, I'd guess Eloh for Empire and Bubbles for Hutt.
You're wrong about me. Again, please let me know what I can defend against. What is the suspicion on me?

Twice when MP was up for lynching you voted for another popular option, which suggests trying to save MP.

So how many baddies are left? Minimum two, maximum four, I'd think. Off hand, I'd guess Eloh for Empire and Bubbles for Hutt.

I still think Eloh is the more likely choice, so I'm voting Eloh. Interesting thought about Daisy being Palpatine, that would account for one of my bigger misgivings about her being Empire. But still, Eloh's MP save screams teammate.

DrWilgy wrote:
DFaraday wrote:Actually, scratch that. Wilgy and I might just be on the same page is all. Are we in sync, Wilgy?
Depends, would I get mod killed for saying probably?

Let's change the topic just in case.

Who do you think are Empire?

Dom wrote:TBH neither Elo nor Daisy got me particularly convinced. :/ Neither does Bullz.

What do you think of Russ' vote?

Actually, scratch that. Wilgy and I might just be on the same page is all. Are we in sync, Wilgy?

MacDougall wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Tell me about it it's a fucking ghost town
I offered my thoughts earlier.

What made you feel better about Wilgy?

Russ' vote sounds pretty darn forced to me.
Wilgy is playing like someone who just wants to be left alone...

Russ's vote is shite but ...

Wanna lynch Spacedaisy?

I'd rather lynch Eloh, but I'm not dead set against lynching Daisy.

If Wilgy just wants to be left alone, he definitely wants it in a different way than I do. Or else he's a huge slacker.

MacDougall wrote:Tell me about it it's a fucking ghost town

I offered my thoughts earlier.

What made you feel better about Wilgy?

Russ' vote sounds pretty darn forced to me.

MacDougall wrote:Spacedaisy why do you think MP voted for you and Glorfindel and failed to achieve a lynch, three separate times? That's a bit strange for a scum to tunnel a civilian that badly wouldn't you agree? Looks HEEEEEEEEAPS like a sustained effort at distancing.

She could potentially be a Hutt. I really doubt Glorfindel would have had his clique meltdown if he'd been on MP's team. Then again, Zebra was a Hutt, so I think either Daisy's probably civ or Glorfindel is an excellent actor.

As far as Empire, I think the voting pattern incriminates Wilgy slightly more than Eloh, who seemed completely divorced from the prevailing voting trends most of the time.I'd be fine with either one today, but I feel a bit stronger about Wilgy.

If the Hutt team isn't eliminated (and I doubt they are), it's just odd that Zebra would essentially destroy the Hutts' chances like that. But yeah, Sorsha is probably Crumb.

Bullz answer sounded kind of shady, but I have to go, so I'll just vote Zebra and see whether this was all a ruse or if the Hutts are actually defeated.

Dom wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Hmmmmm

Hmm hmm hmm.

Some gambit. Some gambit indeed. To say sig was definitely a specific role, to say that she is a specific role, it's specific rule breaking as well as completely disprovable if sig happened to be an indie or one of the moisture farmers with a partner still here...

Dom, what makes you so sure that sig was not bad? Is it something along the lines of what I just pointed out? Or more just intuition?
I don't have specific information on sig's role, no. But I'd be surprised if he was Hutt.

DFaraday wrote:Yeah, I've seen hosts kill for role outing. Very strange if Zebra could get away with that.

Alignment outing, on the other hand, is perfectly acceptable with our fine hosts.
Where are you leaning for a vote?

I do feel like we're taking a gamble by leaving Zebra alive, so I'd be fine with a confirmed baddie lynch. However, I'd also be good for a Wilgy or Eloh lynch, since I do think one or both of them are likely to be Empire. Possibly Bullz as well, though Daisy I'm leaning civ on now. Whichever way y'all want to go is fine with me.

Yeah, I've seen hosts kill for role outing. Very strange if Zebra could get away with that.

Alignment outing, on the other hand, is perfectly acceptable with our fine hosts.

a2thezebra wrote:DFar, you said you didn't find anyone in particular on your wagon yesterday to be suspicious, right? But you also said that you felt it was likely that at least one of them was scum. Any idea who?

After doing those ISOs, Wilgy came across as potentially bad to me. And Bullz, who's either hoodwinked civ or totally transparent Empire.

Russ and Bubbles are probably okay.

a2thezebra wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I'm not going to confirm or deny that I'm alone directly, but anyone who goes through my recent post history knowing my alignment should be able to figure it out pretty easily.
Lol you would be wise to tell us because if there is any chance you aren't, then you are getting lynched.
I feel a direct answer would be pointless since nothing I will say can be proven and most likely won't be believed, for perfectly good reason. And like I said, I wouldn't protest me being lynched, it's bound to happen eventually since I can't magically make my win condition the same as you Jedi folk. The reason I've been continuously saying that I'm civ (which I am) is to see who believes it and doesn't believe it, and how other players react to it in general. I think I could identify some baddie behavior by spotting players that are cautious in reading me as anything but a confirmed baddie, but now that strategy is essentially void. I wouldn't doubt that you could analyze how players have interacted with me since the beginning of Day 7 and find Empire that way, but observing everyone myself I didn't see anything stick out.

linki@DFaraday - Oh believe me, I want Empire fucking dead. If I seem like I'm trolling everyone that's because I've adopted a more carefree attitude since losing hope in my own win condition. Why do you doubt that Daisy is Empire?

Her attitude towards MP read like legitimate suspicion more than teammate distancing. I also recall Glorfindel getting upset about the whole clique thing, which included MP, and that seems unlikely if he and MP were teammates.

MacDougall wrote:
DFaraday wrote:Yeah, I saw that about Zebra, but then I thought I must have missed something, or else we wouldn't even be having a conversation about whether or not to lynch a confirmed baddie.
The reason we aren't, or at least I'm not, is because of a few simple reasons.

Zebra can't kill anyone tonight.

Zebra could be quite effective at tracking down Empire players considering she's been scum hunting exclusively them all game.

There could be up to 3 Empire players still alive.

Good points, I just wonder at this point whether Zebra still cares about actual baddie hunting or just trolling everyone.

What are your thoughts on Daisy then? I seriously doubt she's Empire.

Yeah, I saw that about Zebra, but then I thought I must have missed something, or else we wouldn't even be having a conversation about whether or not to lynch a confirmed baddie.

MacDougall wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
DFaraday wrote:Seeing as I'm drawing a lot of attention, I'd like to take this opportunity to inform the Hutt team that I am no threat to anyone, so don't waste an NK on me. The same for lynching me, guys, it's a waste of time when you could be finding actual baddies.

This message has been brought to you by Indiana Jones, the entire nation of India, and Independence Day starring Will Smith.
Right. Indie claim lol.
How the hell did I not get that? I thought he was just being random, that's how bad I am at figuring things out that aren't direct statements.
I've been trying to get the Indy thing across all game, but only Roxy picked up on it, so finally I just abandoned any hint of subtlety.

I haven't gotten around to looking at Elo yet, but Daisy would be a good lynch option, I think.
Is your indie partner still alive? I don't think you're a Jawa so you must be Tuskan. Are you alone?

I don't know for certain, but I have reason to believe I'm alone.

EBWOP: Is the confirmed baddie we're talking about Bullz?

a2thezebra wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
DFaraday wrote:Seeing as I'm drawing a lot of attention, I'd like to take this opportunity to inform the Hutt team that I am no threat to anyone, so don't waste an NK on me. The same for lynching me, guys, it's a waste of time when you could be finding actual baddies.

This message has been brought to you by Indiana Jones, the entire nation of India, and Independence Day starring Will Smith.
Right. Indie claim lol.
How the hell did I not get that? I thought he was just being random, that's how bad I am at figuring things out that aren't direct statements.

I've been trying to get the Indy thing across all game, but only Roxy picked up on it, so finally I just abandoned any hint of subtlety.

I haven't gotten around to looking at Elo yet, but Daisy would be a good lynch option, I think.

Dom wrote:DF-- what do you think of Sorsha's 180 on Enrique?
Do you think the Hutts knew who he was?

I would think more of it if she hadn't placed a decisive vote on Jabba. I doubt she's a Hutt at this point.

It's entirely possible the Hutts knew who Greedo was, and when considering the Hutts that's generally how I'm thinking of them.

MacDougall wrote:
DFaraday wrote:Matt, your case on me seemed to be predicated on me being a Hutt. Mac's case is based on me being Empire. Either you should admit you were off base, or you ought to reevaluate Mac's case on me, because you can't both be right (in fact neither of you is).
I don't get this post at all? You seem to be saying that Matt is wrong but I'm not, right up to the brackets?

I got the impression Matt was in agreement with you about me, yet his reasoning was completely different. I was telling him that the two cases are mutually exclusive.

Spacedaisy wrote:If we can lynch zebra, I'd be most interested in that option personally. I'm willing to entertain the idea of DF, but probably not today. My only concern is what trick zebra has up her sleeve...

DF, I like the way you are currently playing, I need to go back and read all you said said little closer but I can't at the moment. I will later tonight though.

Zebra's behavior these last few days has been odd, for sure. What is it about me that you still suspect?

Next up is Sorsha.

Sorsha wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Sorsha wrote:I am voting for Elohcin. I don't feel like her vote for zebra is genuine.
:P

Perhaps you are zebra's teammate.

For real though...Zebra's tone just isn't of her normal civ self imo. Could I be wrong, sure. But I think Bass and Enri both have a good chance of being civ. So I didn't want to place my vote on either.
As far as I know I'm not on zebras team, I'm a part of the rebel alliance so if she is too then yes, we are teammates.

So what changed for you between day one and day two? Because on day one you voted for Enrique but now you think he is civ? That's why I voted you btw, your change with no explanation and your vote out of the blue with no explanation.

Can you quote posts of zebra's that are showing her non civvie tone? I'm not trying to defend her but like bass, it seems like zebra is quite easy to lynch at times as well.... Or at least gets herself into trouble early.

She displays suspicion for Eloh pretty consistently, and defends Zebra early on. Since we don't know either of their alignments, that's inconclusive evidence.

She voted Bcornett to tie up the vote on the day he was lynched, so that's a point in her favor. In that same post she reads Zebra as civ again.

Sorsha wrote:I'm voting for bcornet. His vote for golden was bogus- I couldn't even find a post for it. I'm hoping we can win glorfindel over to the Syndicate before we lynch him I really didn't have enough time to go over his posts to make up my mind and gth I'd say Zeebs is civ right now.

We then get these posts:

Sorsha wrote:Meh- I'm not feeling the Enrique case. He seems pretty sincere to me

Sorsha wrote:Voted Enriqe. Hope you're bad!

Linki- I just want answers!!

Holy 180, Batman!

Uneventful for awhile after that. Voted Simon, voted Roxy, disliked the ridiculously heightened melodrama...

She suspects Golden for awhile but ultimately votes Zebra on Day 7, an odd reversal from her earlier view of Zebra. This page highlights a back and forth with Zebra about whether or not Sorsha is Crumb:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 10#p206510

Then Sorsha goes on to vote MP, tying up the vote. That suggests she's not Empire, since she'd had no real connection with MP to that point, so no need to bus.

Conclusion: Her voting pattern has Sorsha casting crucially timed votes against both Hutts and Empire, so I believe she is civ.

Alright, back to the ISOs to clear my name. Bullz was uneventful for his first few days back, but Day 7 got interesting (sorry Epi).

Bullzeye wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Poll ends in 3 hours... I hope the others who haven't voted yet show up.
I can't decide who to vote for at all today
I'd implore you to assist in my survival, but of course, if you think I'm the best way to vote then I understand.

Let's talk. What thoughts do you have on today's events? Or if you're unsure about how today impacts your reads, who were you suspecting most before Day 7 events?
I don't think you're bad, so I won't be voting you. I think you're right that Roxy would've made a much bigger deal about you if she'd really had evidence you were bad. I also don't think Zebra is bad, so I won't be voting her either and she's (I guess only barely) the closest to you in the poll. I still think Mac's attitude is reminiscent of his baddie game in TH but I dunno if that's enough to justify a vote. Other than that I don't have many worthwhile thoughts. I may need another read, I have the time.

Really I should just stop socialising so much and become a mafia hermit or something. Then maybe I'd stand a chance at being good at this game.

He defends MP, weakly suggests Mac as an alternative, but that's about it at that point.

Bullzeye wrote:I will also *vote Daisy* in hope MP is right about her and she can still be lynched today as I don't believe either of the other two lynch candidates are bad.

He then goes on to vote Daisy, despite not having mentioned her at all since returning to the game. Done primarily to save MP, apparently.

Bullzeye wrote:
Matt wrote:Bye sig

So that's funny. sig dies and sorsha is smiley cursed right after I involve them in my theory.

I'm being set up already
I doubt it was to set you up. I think Sig died to make people think MP did it, tbh. I'm conflicted in how I feel about him though because I don't see why a civ would switch the lynch to Golden of all people.

Again with the MP defense. If he's Empire, he's being really blatant about it.

Bullzeye wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Ooh lynch close.

I'm feeling like, that, Faraday got a couple of votes and then some people were like HEAVENS NO LET'S NOT VOTE THAT GUY and voted for SpaceDaisy I dunno I just think that was weird.

MP is probably good and the incredulousness of his remark about DFaraday indicates they are quite possibly both meat popsicles.
Interesting point about the Faraday/Daisy votes. I'm gonna *Vote DF* to keep things interesting and potentially save MP.

Okay, he's got to be civ. It would be suicide to be this open about trying to save Darth Vader if on his team.

Bullzeye wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Ooh lynch close.

I'm feeling like, that, Faraday got a couple of votes and then some people were like HEAVENS NO LET'S NOT VOTE THAT GUY and voted for SpaceDaisy I dunno I just think that was weird.

MP is probably good and the incredulousness of his remark about DFaraday indicates they are quite possibly both meat popsicles.
Interesting point about the Faraday/Daisy votes. I'm gonna *Vote DF* to keep things interesting and potentially save MP.
Interesting that you would listen to a person you think is scum and vote with his mentality.
It is, isn't it? Especially when I have such a bulletproof case built up against you.
Lol. No vote changes and you choose to follow the lead of one of the only players you feel is bad and lock your vote in that way. Smart civilian oriented move right there.
Maybe there's another reason behind my vote and your post was just convenient.

Yeah, if you could go ahead and explain this, that'd be great.

Conclusion: Probably a civ who bought into MP's schtick, or else a brazen Imperial. I'm thinking civ though.

Seeing as I'm drawing a lot of attention, I'd like to take this opportunity to inform the Hutt team that I am no threat to anyone, so don't waste an NK on me. The same for lynching me, guys, it's a waste of time when you could be finding actual baddies.

This message has been brought to you by Indiana Jones, the entire nation of India, and Independence Day starring Will Smith.

Alright, now Wilgy. He has virtually nothing of note to say until Day 3, when he comes in with this:

DrWilgy wrote:Still catching up. I noticed Dragon D. Luffy asking who the hell is Wilgy. If you are reading this, I would like you to know... I'm most definitely a doctor! bwahahahahahaha!

*Wilgy flying kicks through a wall into a room with DFaraday and points to him*

DFaraday! What... Or why were you pinged by bubbles regarding Matt from night 1? Do not answer this if you have already done so. I will read it soon enough if that is the case.

He quickly becomes pinged by my Bubbles comment, and will continue to find any reason to suspect me throughout the game.

DrWilgy wrote:
sig wrote:
Roxy wrote:Shit out of my ass? Your 8 year old is going to read that. its a nasty, disgusting way to describe it you could have said "out of thin air".

But tbh idc what you think of my list - I did provide reasoning when asked - I like to play my own way and really detest being told how to play. Tough shit if you do not like how I listed my suspicions. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.

Cfd to DFaraday
Why Dfaraday? I see he is on your list but not why that is?

I do agree something seems slightly off with Wilgy this phase.
I haven't been here lol, shoot me if you wanna. I got caught up right as turkey day festivities began... Plus I'm still at work. Grumbe grumble 14 hour shifts grumble.

I would actually be ok with Dfaraday lynch, those curiosities towards him have shifted into pings and suspicions in my head. Maybe I should reread him... I'm kinda teetering on the Enrique lynch. I would like to know what Enrique thinks poison rulings are, if there are any, before I place a vote on him.

Well, that escalated quickly. He's now ready to vote me because of pings and suspicions. To digress for a moment, it is very frustrating to be suspected by multiple players for no reason other than feelings. At least Mac bothered to make a proper case, as off base as it is.

DrWilgy wrote:AND HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA

Okay, that makes him look a little better to me. Any wrestling reference is a good reference.

DrWilgy wrote:Don't got much time... I want to stay away from Mac vs. Golden. The 1v1 was fun while I was drunk, but I'm against it for now...

I meta'd Sig pretty hard previous and was thinking he was bad, as of late though, Im pretty sure he is civ and am agreeing with his observations... *grumble grumble*

The arguments for Roxy are compelling, I agree with what I have read of Zebra, MP, and Daisy.

My last opinion currently is that Bullzeye made a good point about Mac's behavior, and I agree. Oddly enough I don't think Golden is correct and I read Mac as genuine.

I'm going to place my vote on Sorsha for now. I may or may not be around for EOD, we will see.

He had suspected Sig earlier in the game, then came around shortly before Sig died, courtesy of the Empire. Whether there is any connection there is anyone's guess. My main point of note here is his soft support of MP (couched in with Zebra and Daisy). He then engages in witty repartee with MP for awhile, possibly indicating BTSC familiarity?

DrWilgy wrote:Voted DF. I read through MP and I don't think he is scum.

MP, what is your reasoning for putting me so low on your list?

Thanks for the new sig Mac ~<3

2 more days until no school!! Yay!!

Votes me again, still with no real reason. Defends MP as well, even though MP placed him low on the list (but hadn't voted Wilgy).

In conclusion, I think Wilgy is most likely to be Empire.

Fair enough, Matt, I'll just have to prove you wrong. And now, onto Bubbles:

Bubbles wrote:/slips in through the back door :P

SO glad Matt turned out to be a baddie, I was still reading through the thread when the poll closed which is why I didn't vote, for what's worth i probably would've voted Matt too, not for the death star vote which seemed innocent enough (it DID sound like a cool option), but for his saying golden wasn't arguing with people yet and also because he looked like he was trying to move the conservation towards specific people eg. the people who voted Alderaan (yes including me)
and Enrico sounds sincere to me so I don't really agree with the suspicion on him. his comment about sig being two faced triggered some alarm bells though
anyway hope to see you next game Matt

Here we see that Bubbles claimed she'd have voted Matt after the fact, which is what initially made me suspect her. She also waffles here on her opinion of Enrique.

Bubbles wrote:voting zebra for voting bass, and because i don't think enrique is bad from his tone. and i don't want to miss another vote so that's why i'm posting now!

She then progressed to thinking he's not bad, so I guess she dropped those alarm bells from earlier.

Bubbles wrote:RIP enrique glad we caught a baddie, and sorry for missing the vote, was busy all day. i probably would NOT have voted enrique though because as i said before his tone didn't sound guilty, i am not a very good reader of people apparently ugh
anyway voting dfaraday for no real reason, wish there was some hint about what this poll was for

Here she is consistent with her lack of Enrique suspicion. She then votes me "for no real reason" on the night poll.

She voted Simon along with half the thread, so I don't think that says much about her either way.

Bubbles wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Re: Mac

For those of you on the normal posts per page system, page 60 (aka this post onward), Mac is oozing genuine in his subsequent response posts. If he's mafia this game, then consider me beyond impressed.
I have to agree I think Mac is being genuine, but I also think Golden sounds like he's genuinely frustrated by Mac's accusations too, I don't want to vote for either of them at this point. Looking over some other people, feeling weird vibes from DFaraday and I think Roxy's point about him not playing as usual has some merit, so voting DFaraday

Her only point against me is "weird vibes." Her play to me is reading as lazy (or super busy) civ who doesn't feel like looking for another case, so she just keeps voting for the same person over and over. If she is bad, I'd say she's the other Hutt (if two are left).

Bubbles wrote:great result everyone. wouldnt have minded a dfaraday lynch either as im still unconvinced of his innocence

@Canucklehead hope it wasn't anything too serious!

Did someone pay you off or something? You haven't given me anything to wok with, Bubbles.

Elohcin wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:It was clearly a bad idea to be absent from the thread for so long, I was not at all anticipating that I would nearly be lynched. Sorry guys, I'm transitioning to a new position at my job. It's been stressful, to say the least. I'm glad to have survived. DF you have said I was clearly bad, is this based on me or on Glorfindel, or both?

Mainly Glorfindel. I'm confident he/you are a Hutt, possibly the last Hutt.
What makes you so confident?

The way Daisy went after MP suggests that she's probably not Empire, for starters.

MacDougall wrote:I had just written this post before DFaraday's vote, but I will post it anyway... The vote sort of makes me second guess it but we will see...

a2thezebra wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I wasn't particularly suspicious of any of the guys who just jumped on my bandwagon, but it's so blatant that one of them's got to be a teammate of MP or Daisy.
So vote for MP. Save yourself and lynch someone you and others find highly suspicious. What's holding you back?
Verrrrrrrrrrry good question.

As I explained, I was at work and couldn't vote earlier.

Earlier I made the observation that MP's initial counterwagon was Faraday, and Elohcin and Llama came in and shifted the counterwagon off Faraday and onto SpaceDaisy, albeit briefly.

If there was a counterwagon to save MP, wouldn't it follow that one or more of the early voters on me is likely to be MP's teammate?

As we know MP already put SpaceDaisy forward as his requested lynch candidate.

When he came in and observed that Faraday was being made into a viable lynch candidate he made this "joke post".

MovingPictures07 wrote:LOL, self-preservation fail by me again. Why are you people voting for DFaraday over GlorfinDaisy?
Followed a little later by this.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:LOL, self-preservation fail by me again. Why are you people voting for DFaraday over GlorfinDaisy?
Seriously. Daisy is obviously bad, and I'm not. I just want to live. I want to LIVE, Marge! WON'T YOU LET ME LIVE?
See, a Simpsons reference? This guy deserves to live.
MP is cleverly trying to avoid putting his teammate up as his counterwagon.

I know it can easily be read as WIFOM, but I really doubt MP would be that obvious about defending a teammate in thread. Especially since I know firsthand that MP is willing to bus or be bussed when part of a baddie team.

His "jokey" attempts to relax pressure on a viable lynch candidate in DFaraday are in contrast to his previous thoughts. Yes he put DFaraday as a green skittle in his reads lists recently, but his actual content around that doesn't ally with him doing even that, let alone this.

For instance:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Golden wrote:I think the Roxy/Eloh stuff felt more like style clash and less game related.

The number of negative mentions of DF and zebra stand out to me, though.
DFaraday definitely seems like the most likely tracked result if there were any, especially since her suspicion of DFaraday in-thread was essentially that he was changing up his style, but zebra is a possibility as well, probably 2nd place. Dom is my 3rd guess. Again, if she even had any results to share.
He himself states that in light of the Roxy flip DFaraday looks the most likely to have been tracked doing the bad thing. He subsequently claims he's going to ISO DFaraday, but we receive no result of it aside from this.

Why would he just randomly call attention to a teammate like that?

MovingPictures07 wrote:This DFaraday ISO is boring.
For a player who was effectively unanimously lynched yesterday, this is very strange. He goes from having a valid reason to suspect DFaraday in light of the Roxy flip. Half asses an ISO on him, and there is no connection from that to his subsequent reading of him as town in a reads list, right through to now "jokingly" trying to not get him lynched as MPs replacement lynch.

Not really. All he said was that I seemed like the most likely to have been tracked based on Roxy's comments. It had nothing to do with anything I said, so it stands to reason that he could read my posts and apparently find them pedestrian.

Here's how SpaceDaisy was bumped ahead of DFaraday for that fleeting moment.

thellama73 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I would probably vote Zebra if I didn't have to hold onto my vote for self-preservation (and if Zebra were on the poll). I think Canuck's case was excellent. GlorfinDaisy is right up there though.
Derp, Zebra isn't even on the poll, Llama! I guess I am voting Daisy today.
Okay, let's do that.
Why are Elohcin, DFaraday and Llama all on the same page?

This is the post where I feel like Elohcin is the one of the four that is actually not part of the shell game.

thellama73 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:This game has devolved into nonsense, I see. Are there any sane people left?
me!

I will vote for Zebra again or SD
Yay! You are a true friend, Elohcin.
It sure looks like a heavy case of buddying from Llama to Elo here. Elo looks like a patsy.

Eh, maybe Llama's bad.

thellama73 wrote:I will not vote for my friend, MP, so I have to choose another. I would love to vote for Zebra again, but if DFaraday is the second choice, I may pile on there to stop this madness. Who's with me?
The above is a post where Llama declares that NAY he will not be voting for MP, and apparently would be okay with a DF lynch. But in no time flat Elo comes in and gives him a better alternative in SpaceDaisy. I don't think that was by design, I think that Elo unwittingly gave DFaraday and Llama the numbers to turn the SpaceDaisy wagon into a viable one.

I strongly believe that DFaraday and MP are on the same team. Whether Llama is being honest in his assessment I am less sure of but he looks likely to also be in an alliance with them.

I am not in alliance with either of them. Also, I just realized that this entire post against me is based entirely off of what other people have said in relation to me, without anything that I said even discussed.

Matt, your case on me seemed to be predicated on me being a Hutt. Mac's case is based on me being Empire. Either you should admit you were off base, or you ought to reevaluate Mac's case on me, because you can't both be right (in fact neither of you is).

Spacedaisy wrote:It was clearly a bad idea to be absent from the thread for so long, I was not at all anticipating that I would nearly be lynched. Sorry guys, I'm transitioning to a new position at my job. It's been stressful, to say the least. I'm glad to have survived. DF you have said I was clearly bad, is this based on me or on Glorfindel, or both?

Mainly Glorfindel. I'm confident he/you are a Hutt, possibly the last Hutt.

Mac, I appreciate that you took the time to make a case on me, but I am absolutely, 100% not bad. I will go step by step to try to refute your points later and try to uncover the real Empire team, if I have to ISO every single player to clear my name. I just want to survive this game, and I'll do everything in my power to make it to the end.

I can't right now, though, I'm actually about to watch Return of the Jedi to finish my SW catchup before Force Awakens.

Great result, but now everyone's going to think we're connected. WE'RE NOT.

MacDougall wrote:DFaraday self preserve voting MP to put him in a clear lead, over SpaceDaisy which would have made a 3 way tie, does make sense for them as teammates.

It also makes sense for anyone who doesn't want to die.

Canucklehead wrote:Also, can someone please tell me what the case against dfaraday is??

They can't because there is none. Roxy was suspicious of me for vague reasons (she was also suspicious of half a dozen other people), so other people think she must have tracked me (but not the other half dozen people, I guess). And Matt thinks I'm suspicious for not voting Enrique...or something.

a2thezebra wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I wasn't particularly suspicious of any of the guys who just jumped on my bandwagon, but it's so blatant that one of them's got to be a teammate of MP or Daisy.
So vote for MP. Save yourself and lynch someone you and others find highly suspicious. What's holding you back?

I was at work and couldn't vote (it took me like five minutes just to make that post on my Luddite phone). Now I can and will *vote MP*

I wasn't particularly suspicious of any of the guys who just jumped on my bandwagon, but it's so blatant that one of them's got to be a teammate of MP or Daisy.

MovingPictures07 wrote:LOL, self-preservation fail by me again. Why are you people voting for DFaraday over GlorfinDaisy?

Seriously. Daisy is obviously bad, and I'm not. I just want to live. I want to LIVE, Marge! WON'T YOU LET ME LIVE?

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