The Syndicate

indiglo wrote:
DFaraday wrote:Good game, baddies, I guess. I didn't really deserve a win anyway.
Not true! Look how long you lasted!! I think you played an awesome game! We got lucky numbers-wise and in other ways too. Sorry to have lynched you.

Thanks Indi.

One thing I don't get though: Since you all had the numbers advantage on Day 8, why didn't you just pile your votes on me and be done with it?

And for the record, everything I said was absolutely true. I was actually trying to cultivate an image of being a careless, barely-paying-attention civ to downplay any baddies thinking of me as a threat. I think I slipped into method acting for most of the game though.

Huh, so I couldn't have won anyway unless we tied the vote. Didn't see Indiglo being bad.

But I was 100% on the money about Zebra, and the fact that nobody seemed to address Ekeknat's death with Zebra really sat wrong with me.

Good game, baddies, I guess. I didn't really deserve a win anyway.

a2thezebra wrote:Please don't try to tell me I didn't give you a chance either because I gave you way more of a chance than you gave me. That seems to be a running trend that I've had to deal with this whole game...people claiming I'm not giving them the time of day when really it's the other way around.

I'm not going to say you didn't give me a chance, I thought you would have voted far sooner than you did.

I have defended as much as I can. My two points of defense are explaining my thought process (which I did) and playing poorly and impulsively this game (which I have). I literally can't defend more than that because there's nothing more to it. If that's not satisfying to you, that's fine. It's not really satisfying to me either, but it's all I've got. If I tried to defend any other way, I'd just be making stuff up.

Also, you haven't addressed the fact that Ekeknat was vehemently pushing for you to be lynched today and then he ended up dead. Of course there's a ton of WIFOM to go along with that, but you haven't even touched on that massive arrow pointing at you.

a2thezebra wrote:I also find it amusing how your defense is to explain why you think everyone but me is civ while not even bothering to defend your own alignment.

Because the entire case against me is that I voted too early without time for discussion. Explaining why I'm confident in everyone else's alignment IS the explanation for my early vote, and hence my alignment. I don't know what else I'm supposed to say to show I'm civ.

"Almost convinced" was an awkward way to say that. What I mean is I think it's incredibly unlikely that Daisy would be bad at this point.

a2thezebra wrote:DFaraday if you've got a defense for anything that the person you're voting for has said about you then by all means...

You've pretty much only said one thing about me, and that's that I was too certain too early. As I said earlier, I'm almost convinced that Daisy is civ, and I think it's a lot more likely that Indi is civ than running some scheme to win over Daisy, especially since there's not really anything connecting Indi and LC, whereas Ekeknat was very confident about both you and LC being bad, and was killed. You're the obvious choice to me.

Indi, 7 posts in which I support LC do not constitute a "subtle defense." They constitute a pretty darn strong defense. I've been more vocal in my lack of suspicion of LC than I have of anyone else, because in the early game I really thought he was getting bandwagoned. By the time Ekeknat indicated that he was sure of LC's baddieness, it was apparent that there was no bandwagon on LC, and I figured he was probably right.

Spacedaisy wrote:I just don't know what to make of any of you. None of your reactions are what I would expect. Dr and zebra going after each other instead of the person that came out of that lynch looking most suspicious is really really weird to me. I can't even.

Wait, so you really think Indi is most suspicious?

Spacedaisy wrote:How do you feel about the fact that Indi voted with Long Con for you yesterday? I personally found it a convenient excuse about the up button. It just so happened to cause her to vote for the same person as LC...

I wasn't around to see the poll when it was up, so I didn't know she did that. I've accidentally voted for myself before, so I can't really be too harsh on anyone there. :P

I do admit that it's possible Indi is playing you, but I still think her gambit is a weird strategy if so, especially starting it yesterday in the middle of LC's lynch.

a2thezebra wrote:
DFaraday wrote:Zebra must be a GP baddie since they haven't been eliminated. In which case, I really want Zebra gone.
What about indiglo? Spacedaisy? Yourself? If you think I'm bad then okay, but why are you trying to argue that I somehow MUST be the GP baddie since they haven't been eliminated yet. If this was undeniable fact then why is this not an easy lynch? Why is there even discussion? I don't think you want discussion and that's all that your irrational quick-let's-lynch-Zebra-she-MUST-be-GP mentality is promoting. Sorry, I don't fucking buy it.

I think it's a bit rich that you're reacting so strongly to this when you are similarly assured of yourself at least a few times in every game.

My most recent post explains my thought process, which more or less addresses everything in your last 5 posts.

Spacedaisy wrote:
DFaraday wrote:Also, why wouldn't it be a fast vote? You and Indi both all but confirmed you're not GP baddies, so I have no reason to vote for either of you. That literally only leaves Zebra.
Only if what we are claiming is true. I take it you believe us. I am not even sure about indi so it would surprise me if you are.

I do believe you. I think it's more likely that you're both civ than that one of you is false role hinting, and furthermore, I haven't seen anything which links either of you to LC. Indi's reaching out to Daisy as Coque civ seems like a weird strategy if she herself isn't Coque, especially since the GP baddies don't have a role checker, and hence, no way of knowing Daisy's alignment for sure.

Also, Daisy voted for LC Day 1, when he had a fair chance of being lynched, and continued to post suspicions of him. I know teammates sometimes bus each other, but that would be ridiculous. I think it's pretty much a lock that Daisy is civ.

Also, why wouldn't it be a fast vote? You and Indi both all but confirmed you're not GP baddies, so I have no reason to vote for either of you. That literally only leaves Zebra.

Enrique wrote:Non-consecutive, playerino.

I guess I'll just have to spend my whole weekend at my laptop.

Daisy, I don't have any way to prove I'm not teamed with LC. All I can tell you is I'm civ. My sloppy, hardly-paying-attention gameplay throughout this whole game is the best evidence I have that I'm not invested in any team.

At this point, I have no reason to consider whom to vote for, so I'll go ahead and vote Zebra right away.

Post 3 of 10

Zebra must be a GP baddie since they haven't been eliminated. In which case, I really want Zebra gone.

I think Ekeknat was right that Zebra is also bad. His going after both of them is probably what got him killed.

Post 1 of 10 in 24 hours (ugh)

Long Con wrote:Sorry, DF, it's a process of elimination partly, and partly some of your votes and possible buddying. I know my votes are not much better, but I know I am Civ so . Unless sig AND S~V~S were both GP baddies.

Well, since I'm not, maybe they were.

I really haven't been able to get a feel for what everyone's alignment is, but I feel like Ekeknat might have been onto something, so I'll go ahead and *vote LC*

LC, do you have any claims I can address?

Long Con wrote:Also, no one's around. Tell you what, if you come in and decide to play, please vote for DFaraday or zebra, if you love Civvies. I'll vote as late as I can in case a way to survive appears.

Wait, what? That came out of nowhere.

ekeknat wrote:
indiglo wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
indiglo wrote: Re: Made - Ok, recently DF and LC have mentioned Made seeming suspish for being insanified 2 times. I'm not sure I find that fact alone compelling enough to throw my vote there.

Given that the Detective specifically insanifies baddies, it's a fairly strong possibility. Strong enough that I will *vote Made*

Aha! I did not realize that, I guess I did not read that role carefully enough. Well then yeah, I'd say that is pretty damning.

This is not what the role did. It insanified ANY members of the Gay Parade. It could have hit any one of the five civs on our side and done the same thing.

Oh, I wasn't reading closely enough. That does throw it into question some more.

That's three, I'm still alive.

indiglo wrote: Re: Made - Ok, recently DF and LC have mentioned Made seeming suspish for being insanified 2 times. I'm not sure I find that fact alone compelling enough to throw my vote there.

Given that the Detective specifically insanifies baddies, it's a fairly strong possibility. Strong enough that I will *vote Made*

DFaraday wrote:Made's comment felt genuine about Dana to me.

However, is there any reason that people stopped suspecting Made for being insanified?

EBWOP: I see LC just brought it up.

EBWOP: Linki: I see LC just brought it up.

Made's comment felt genuine about Dana to me.

However, is there any reason that people stopped suspecting Made for being insanified?

EBWOP: I see LC just brought it up.

Because the end times are awkwardly right in the middle of my day, I won't be around for the rest of it. I'll go ahead and vote BR, since I find her more suspicious. I haven't really seen much of a case on LC.

Sorry Typh.

indiglo wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:It took me a while but I'm finally understanding what sprityo was saying. I'm not sure what I think about it yet unfortunately...
I would very much like to understand what sprityo was saying.

@sprityo, are you comfortable going into more detail about what you mean? I'm not seeing it.

I didn't think there was more to it than Sprityo has a power, interacted with Typh, got blocked, and the Gay Parade Baddies have a block. Which does add a bit more to the case on Typh, imo.

I could go either way on the lynch, but I think the points on Typh are a little stronger than BR (and I don't want to tie it up). Hence, *votes Typh*

Since I pretty much talked myself out of suspecting the LC voters I previously had on my list, I'll just go ahead and vote Made since there is a chance that insanity business could make him bad.

I have no strong feelings about LC or BR, but I lean civ slightly more on LC. I don't want to vote DP since he hasn't done anything to warrant suspicion.

a2thezebra wrote: Are you shitting me? theophobist you fucking shitting me? Dana, made, or sprityo? Dana didn't try to save nutella

a2thezebra wrote:Do you honestly think that if Dana irregularity Link McCloud interlocutor save nutella that she would simpering that [size=0]blatant [/size]about where she placed her vote?

Those are what I was talking about.

I don't particularly have it out for Dana, she actually sounds pretty genuine to me. It's just that voting to tie a vote involving a (later revealed) baddie is the kind of thins people usually jump all over, but it's just being kind of brushed off here.

My read of Daisy didn't yield much except that she's clearly not Nutella's teammate, which everyone has figured out anyway. She's been very supportive of SVS, and consistently against LC, but that's not of much help without knowing either of their alignments.

Did I miss something re: Dana? A bunch of people are saying her vote isn't suspicious at all (Zebra is being weirdly forceful about it), but given the circumstances, doesn't it at least merit looking into further?

Also, if that was what you were getting at, it's a pretty shaky idea. I would not draw attention to a teammate for no apparent reason by implicating them as part of an indy team.

EBWOP: You're saying I was correct with both posts, proving you really can be understood?

EEBWOP: I'm not going to try deciphering that one.

After reviewing Typh's posts, I'm feeling better about him. He was consistent in his suspicion for Nutella, including voting her after making a case on her, and I haven't seen anything suspect from him besides his unexplained LC vote, so he's moved down my list.

I'll review Daisy's posts later.

EBWOP: I think you're trying to sarcastically say that there is more to the case on BR than the name thing, yes? I agree with LC that bussing for cred isn't really BR's style, and beyond that, there's not so very much on her, imo.

EEBWOP: Now you're indicating to the populace at large that my most recent post may implicate me as Nutella's teammate, because you think it's looking rather likely at this point? If you're going to keep posting a lot, someone's got to try and translate.

Typhoony wrote: I don't think it's Faraday either. Most of his posts don't make a lot of sense to me, which usually means he is civ.

...thank you?

I don't think BR not mentioning nutella is a compelling argument, though I don't really have an alternative at the moment.

Typhoony wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I had to work both jobs back to back, hence my missing today.

The Typh votes don't sit well with me. If I'd been here, I'd likely have voted Nutella.
What happened to your "I have the LC voters top of my list right now"? I voted LC that day.

I haven't had a chance to go over your posts yet, which is why I would have held off on voting you until I've done that. I still think your LC vote was shady.

I had to work both jobs back to back, hence my missing today.

The Typh votes don't sit well with me. If I'd been here, I'd likely have voted Nutella.

Spacedaisy wrote:Oh and also, DF your theory that Nutella was his Indy btsc partner makes zero sense. If he was Indy then the "slip up" was clearly intentional to draw the majority of votes and give himself away as an Indy because then no one should want to kill him or vote for him. Why would his partner wish to distance from him then? If no one needs her dead to win, why wouldn't she be totally cool with being quasi outed as an Indy? I think YOU are trying to make her look like a possible Indy to protect her. Unless the "slip up" was a joke, in which case the only reason she would distance from him is if they are some kind of threat to the civs and us Knowing she is the other would make us want to lynch her. Which only makes me want to lynch her more. In short, I really want to lynch Nutella. Can you tell?

All NO Us aside, you do make a good point re: nutella. I hadn't thought that theory through in depth, it just seemed like a potential connection so I went with it to see if it led anywhere.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:The only way Scotty is mafia is if a civ stopped his lynch.

We already can rule him out from the Gay Parade baddies. I think it's likely he's not mafia.

Mimi Merlot has secrets, so we shouldn't totally dismiss the possibility.

sig wrote: linki: Bandwagoning on LC doesn't make much sense though? He wasn't lynched and we can assume Scotty wasn't mafia so she didn't vote to save a teammate why is her vote for LC strange?

We can't really assume that since there are two baddie teams. But either way, I read the LC voters (besides SVS) and finding a convenient place to stick their votes without having to make a case on their own. It's what I'd have done as a baddie.

I am *voting Daisy* for her weak reason for voting LC. It was also the last vote on him, making it feel extra bandwagony.

I have no idea what's going on with Boulder/Skyloverguycat, but I feel like it's probably unrelated to their alignment.

I have the LC voters at the top of my list right now, except for SVS, who had a reason. I'll go over their posts and see what stands out.

S~V~S wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I'm so sorry I missed the vote, Enrique! I saw the end time when I wasn't logged in and thought I had two more hours. It won't happen again!

It seems like the most obvious solution is that Scotty is a Repudiated Immortal. And even though I have nothing to support this idea, I suspect that Nutella is the other member and Scotty kept saying he suspected her so that people wouldn't draw a connection between them.

At the moment, I'm most suspicious of the people who voted LC for no particular reason (i.e., all of them).
I had a reason. What makes you think I did not?

And Scotty, while on the one hand yay for no death, especially if you are someone in my civ group, on the other I was hoping to get a sense of direction from your death. Either you flipped bad, and I got my affairs in order, or you didn't and the baddie slip theory could fade into oblivion where it belongs, but alas. But if Faradays theory is correct, and it makes sense, hopefully that puts paid to that.

Although he seems to think Nutella is the other one, and didn't she buy into the baddie slip theory? So that bit is kinda shaky.

But congrats on living Scotty

Eh, I think suspecting him for not recognizing your meta (which, as he pointed out, you can deliberately change) wasn't very convincing, although you did cite more reason than the other LC voters. And Boulders straight up saying he wanted to join the LC bandwagon made it look even weirder to me.

If Nutella is the other Immortal, she would know that Scotty wouldn't die on Day 1, so it makes sense to me that she'd throw him under the bus. Distancing when your teammate secretly isn't in any real danger seems like a clever move to me.

I'm so sorry I missed the vote, Enrique! I saw the end time when I wasn't logged in and thought I had two more hours. It won't happen again!

It seemes like the most obvious solution is that Scotty is a Repudiated Immortal. And even though I have nothing to support this idea, I suspect that Nutella is the other member and Scotty kept saying he suspected her so that people wouldn't draw a connection between them.

At the moment, I'm most suspicious of the people who voted LC for no particular reason (i.e., all of them).

I read Scotty's post as a joke, so it pings me that Zebra immediately leapt to the conclusion that it must be a scum slip.

Here! I've never heard of this band prior to this game, but their Wikipedia page is interesting, to say the least.

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