The Syndicate

Golden wrote:I'm sure there's heaps else I should cover so... feel free to ask. Here are some other notes...

Polo and SVS were targetting inh and JJJ back and forth on alternative nights for a while... except they were out of synch with each other so Polo never actually stopped a kill. Both of those two had nk protects which were both consumed.

INH was constantly getting his PMs in after the fleet was jumped, but always on humans (so the negative results he got were accurate despite them being based on nothing). Then he targetted SVS on the one night Jay decided not to jump...

LoRab cottoned on to the idea her win condition might be tied to her night power so she stopped using it.

I figured it had to be. It was only that one night that I didn't use it. See below.

Ricochet wrote: 15) Please to answer: LoRab, who did you target (until quitting)?

night 1: Ika
night 2: LC
night 3: didn't use power.

I decided not to use it because I knew I was going to be lyched and I didn't want to need to go from a truthful defense to possibly having to die if, in finding a successful target, I became bad. Also, I didn't want to mess with someone else's win condition--on the chance that when I found someone, we became a mafia team--and then die. So I didn't use my power that night.

Had I somehow lived, I'd have gone back to using it.

Game is over??!

So, yeah. Just here to say I fucking told you that I was telling the truth.

I had no BTSC and I was not bad. To be fair, I didn't know my win condition (and still don't--need to see secrets have been posted). But I felt safe and truthful saying I wasn't bad.

Vote Sig

Because next most votes behind me, and on the off chance that there is a player that voted him that has muliple votes or a player who voted me that has multiple negative votes. Hey--a gal can hope.

And I have been telling the truth this whole game. I'm not bad. I have no teammates.

Look at LC. I think SVS has made some great posts about him, in addition to my inital suspicion of him.

I have some pangs of doubt with Bea, but I'd look at her, too.

Not sure about others. I do think that lynching Mafia should take presidence over lynching cylons (and not just because I am one). Mafia has to go. They are against everyone. I think Cain is also a priority.

Vompatti wrote:If LoRab is a cylon, why have so many possible cylons voted for her already?

Because they are mafia and need me dead.

Silverwolf wrote:Also, am I the only person besides ika who swears on this site?

A bunch of us used to play on a site that would edit out curses, so got used to not cursing. Also, for me at least, when there were several younger players in games (as in young teens), I got used to not cursing, because it didn't feel right cursing around them, as I try not to do that in real life. I can't speak for everyone, but I rarely curse in games.

rabbit8 wrote:If you need a replacement Golden, I'm always good to annoy... everyone. Mainly you though... amiright?

Holy shit!!!! Rabbit!!!!!!!!!!!

(ok, there are exceptions to the cursing rule...then again, I am quite used to self censoring curses because of my profession, and sometimes slip IRL, so there's that)

DrWilgy wrote:Lol, Miss Rab has 10 votes already.

#SaveMissRabBecauseLynchingSigSoundsMoreFun

Best Hashtag Ever

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:No, a mass claim would help mafia more than hurt them.

No, I think a massclaim would t-rump any other strategy.

My strategy is that we hunt mafia and try to lynch them until they're all dead, t-rump that.

Shame y'all are lynching a non-mafia. Again.

ObscureAllure wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:I think what's going to happen is one of them is going to vote for one of us moments before the PM is sent ending the day early. That way the person who got voted for can't do the cylon thing (whether or not they are cylon) and LoRab is saved. If it happens and it's me, just promise me y'all will go after LC next.

You seem to invoke that this Day will end early, compared to the previous ones, as if it's a given. Anyway, I don't see what's there to fret about. If Day ends early, won't LoRab get lynched if she has the most votes?

I said it after you might have missed me say it - I had forgotten that LoRab already did a cylon claimed. I was thinking they would vote for one other person (a civvie), have her cylon claim today (to not be lynched), and end the day early right after to get the civvie lynched. However since she claimed yesterday she has no amnesty today so my idea is not possible. (And that was using the idea already mentioned in the thread that they have an end day early power, although I don't remember by whom and I am too lazy to look it up.)

LC - Honestly, anything in the game is open to having been tampered with. If there's one thing I think we can all agree on, it's that.

Also, I am not mafia and do not have BTSC, so this wouldn't have happened, anyway. Also, isn't the end day done by a human role?

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:My choices for a counterwagon right now: bea, Long Con.

Why you wait until after we started the DF counterwagon?

Wait for what?

We want to lynch Lorab right?

But if we're going to do a counterwagon, pooling votes together is important because we need enough to threaten the player to claim Cylon (assuming they are Cylon). But Lorab also needs enough to stay ahead of other players.

I'm probably just overthinking it.

If the majority is decided to deal with LoRab today, I don't think counterwagons should expand beyond a few votes and definitely agree LoRab should stay within safe distance. Baddies should be numerous enough to try to infiltrate, otherwise. Right now the distance is safe enough, for me to not correct it with my vote.

The baddies aren't going to try to save me, because I'm not their teammate.

Ricochet wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Ricochet wrote:
But yeah, this tutti frutti post from LoRab doesn't sit well with me either, not one bit.

It was not tutti frutti--it was pointing out a possibility that no one had considered, or at least not articulated.

Well, yeah. Pointing out all of them, more exactly.

Try to describe your cylon civvieness, the best way you can. With Epig having flipped as Athena, the pool of cylons that could technically not be deemed villanous has become incredibly small. Why should we believe that you happen to be that one in seven, so to speak? Or are you implying that the design of this game has transcended the lore of the show, in which only such a small number of Cylons proved not villanous?

Why should we believe that it's true when you say that "you are civ", when that's basically your main defense every time you're under suspicion, including when you're actually bad?

I wish I could have a way to show that I'm civ, but without outing myself, I'm not sure how. My role is not mafia and not bad. I don't know enough about show lore to know anything about my character. I just know my role.

Polo wrote:I still think that Sig, Glorfindel and DrWilgy (possibly Bea too) are mafia, and you folks should definitely look into them and lynch them if you find it reasonable.

LoRab may be Caprica Six and town; she may be Caprica Six and mafia; she may be another mafia Cylon, but as long as Cain is alive, we need to kill Cylons. And I'd rather kill Cylons than Cain, for now, because that's what the current win condition says.

LoRab, would you lynch Sig, Glorfindel, Wilgy and Bea? They all hopped on the Nerolunar counter bandwagon and none of them voted for Nutella on D2.

As I've stated, I'm suspicious of bea. I don't really have read on the rest. I'd have to look at heir posts to really answer that question.

DrumBeats wrote:So say we all.

LoRab is the clear lynch today, since he claimed cylon to get out of his last one. And now that Cain put us in martial law, thanks for that by the way, we have to lynch them all.

Cain, seriously though reconsider this martial law. 8 cylons + the final five = 13 specific people that need to be dead for town to win.


LoRab being first would be the safest call imo. In case the law is removed later, Epig would still be on our side.

And I would MM, but I did it yesterday.

I corrected you once, and I'd appreciate it if you listened: I am female. Stop using the pronoun he.

Also, if the law is removed later, I would also be on the civ side.

Polo wrote:ObscureAllure, Epignosis, juliets, sig, Glorfindel, bea, DrWilgy, Drumbeats, Metalmarsh89

These are the people who voted for the Nerolunar counter bandwagon. Be wary of them. Counter bandwagons are a no-no in my (limited) book when a civ is lynched (or in this case a presumed civ, seeing that Nero was human).
Of those mentioned right above, juliets, Drumbeats, and ObscureAllure helped lynch Nutella.
Removing Epig and Marmot from the list of suspicious people, we're left with sig, Glorfindel, bea and DrWilgy.
Please look into those people.

Marmot is probably civilian, unless there's a scenario in which he claims to have witnessed a Cylon attack but is actually mafia/Cylon himself.
Of course, such thing would only be possible if Cavil or any of the really bad guys had insanely strong hidden powers, but I'm inclined to consider Marmot a civ, for the time being.

I read up on the lore a bit and apparently Caprica Six kills Admiral Cain in one point of the show. We should try to find and lynch Six, then.

I'm going to vote LoRab now.

Why would you assume that Cain is good?

a2thezebra wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I think it's been well-established at this point that this game consists entirely of independents, in a manner of speaking.

Not only do I see absolutely no value in "claiming" I also think it's seriously damaging a majority's chancing of winning.

What is the damage?

You really want me to spell it out in-thread?

If you weren't already confirmed town this post would be pretty suspicious.

Stop using the word confirmed. There is no one confirmed town in this game.

bea wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Matt wrote:Lol I realize that the Saul role wasn't specifically lynched because of the law, I'm just saying...

Gaaah I don't even know how to word it. I just meant because of this law, we didn't nuke a Cylon, but got us a civ.

Suuuucks.

Pres Roslin, please repeal this law so we don't even have to talk about it anymore. It's distracting the town.

Long Con - I don't think we've had a "So Say We All" for awhile either, and yeah, there was no message from Adama. Blocked?

More specifically, you did not lynch a good cylon, had the opportunity to lynch an actual baddie, and lynched a different civ instead.

am I the actual baddie they could have lynched? cuz that's where your vote went and if that's what you belive is the baddie you are exactly as wrong about me as you think I am about you.

if not me then who? If me why nore than I over reacted to a "slip" call that wasn't really a slip on my part in the first place.

I am suspish of you, but I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong. I also still suspect LC. I don't have a good grasp on other suspects at this moment (why bother, if you are all in process of killing me). But I also know that others in the game are quite good at finding baddies.

Also, it wasn't your overreaction--it was what you said, which only really makes sense if you could have slipped, which would mean that you are bad.

a2thezebra wrote:I haven't "saluted" because I'm not as confident that LoRab is bad as I was before, so I won't be voting until later.

I'm glad people are realizing that. I appreciate it. I am, indeed, not bad.

bea wrote:

LoRab wrote:I'll also point out that everyone is assuming Nero was civ, but we don't actually know that. He could have been on a partly human or human mafia; he could be final five and those 5 may be or may become bad; he could have been recruited. Heck, for all we know, there's a seemer role on the baddie team.

Are you kidding me right now? In the lore, Nero's role as Saul was one of the final 5 and still totally deticated to his human fleet. Even after he spent a lifetime as a human only to find out he was one of the cylons he most racestly hated. Saul was the epitome of what the final 5 is supposed to be about. The fact that he died too early to be one of them is a tradgdy tbh.

this post is the reason I'm voting you early as soon as day breaks.

This is the reason it's now you or me. I know my role I'm comfortable being lynched as the role I've always said I've had - that is human with cylon sympathies.

This is the post where I don't believe you are a cylon working for the cause of good.

You are wrong. I was pointing out possibilities. I don't know lore, but I do know mafia. You have said multiple times that there could be a human mafia. So, that means that some of the characters who may have been good on the show may be bad. We don't know what the mafias are or how they are organized. Also, recruitment is a thing that sometimes happens. Also, what about the final 5--how do you know that they don't all become bad this game. Maybe they are or become their own mafia.

If you're going to vote for me based on the fact that I think of and point out possibilities that are out there, then I encourage you to think back to every game I've ever played. I think not considering every eventuality is dangerous and so I point things like this out.

Ricochet wrote:
But yeah, this tutti frutti post from LoRab doesn't sit well with me either, not one bit.

It was not tutti frutti--it was pointing out a possibility that no one had considered, or at least not articulated.

sig wrote:Wanting to hunt for a town PR role and ignore the baddie cylons how is that not pingy? Basically SVS is suggesting we hunt for a member of the town instead of lynching Lorab ect

Not all cylons are baddies. Me, for instance.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Now that all Cylons have been deemed bad, I hope every player left in the game is willing to claim Cylon today.

Spacedaisy wrote:So say we all.

Interesting law to say the least. Clearly The President trusts you MM.

Good thing for no death!

I'm halfway to being entirely unkillable. What an original development. :P

We have not been deemed bad. We have been stated as necessary for death for all humans (not all of whom, I assume) are good. This also means that good cylons also need to die. So, really, not civ friendly.

So Say We All.

I don't think this will change anyone's mind with this vote, but it wouldn't at all surprise me if the win conditions didn't shift again due to another triggered event.

At any rate, humans (bad or good) need to get rid of cylons. An interesting sub-game to play, in addition to the good vs. bad. But its enactment does not make me think that Helena Cain is good for the civs.

Ricochet wrote:

LoRab wrote:I'll also point out that everyone is assuming Nero was civ, but we don't actually know that. He could have been on a partly human or human mafia; he could be final five and those 5 may be or may become bad; he could have been recruited. Heck, for all we know, there's a seemer role on the baddie team.

So your big defense is saying that Nerolunar could have actually been *insert everything in the Mafia dictionary*.

If there's a seemer, how would we even know? There are no flips whatsoever, thus far. You're either throwing every notion available out there and actually have info on this matter.

This post that you've made is not favorable to your lynch odds tomorrow, as far as I'm concerned.

It's not a defense. I know I'm going to be lynched in the next day cycle.

But yes, I'm throwing every notion out there that is possible, so that we don't make dangerous assumptions that lose the game. Nero is not necessarily civ. That is not information that we know. No one had pointed that out yet, and I think it was important to recognize.

a2thezebra wrote:This doesn't make any sense, why would claiming Cylon benefit the civs?

Because I knew that lynching me would result in not lynching a baddie and I wanted to open up a chance to see a baddie lynched.

Also, I wanted to not die. I fully admit that part.

But I did also hope that in doing so, the players would actually lynch a baddie.

I'll also point out that everyone is assuming Nero was civ, but we don't actually know that. He could have been on a partly human or human mafia; he could be final five and those 5 may be or may become bad; he could have been recruited. Heck, for all we know, there's a seemer role on the baddie team.

Matt wrote:Lol I realize that the Saul role wasn't specifically lynched because of the law, I'm just saying...

Gaaah I don't even know how to word it. I just meant because of this law, we didn't nuke a Cylon, but got us a civ.

Suuuucks.

Pres Roslin, please repeal this law so we don't even have to talk about it anymore. It's distracting the town.

Long Con - I don't think we've had a "So Say We All" for awhile either, and yeah, there was no message from Adama. Blocked?

More specifically, you did not lynch a good cylon, had the opportunity to lynch an actual baddie, and lynched a different civ instead.

Silverwolf wrote:Also, if Lorab is a teammate LC didn't vote for him either but put an unexplained vote on Rico. I really believe his behavior and voting this game comes from a baddie mindset.

I AM FEMALE.

Silverwolf wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Fos Ricochet-He's too opposed to a plan that benefits civs and hurts baddies. I had a town read there until this. Also, D'Faraday needs to speak up or be lynched as well.

How does it hurt baddies? Give me your perspective. How is it unlikely for Cylons to literally blend in with a large crowd of fake claimers? Why am I suspicious for bringing this up?

Also, is your fake claim enabled and used up, if you say it during the Night?

Let me lay it out better:

We all claim day 4 that we are cylons. We lynch LoRab. Day 5 comes around and we scumhunt and lynch Long Con for example. Now, he dies. See what I mean? It prevents the situation that occurred between LoRab and Nero and reduces last minute vote scrambling and mislynches.

If you are still opposed to it after I say this, then you are an auto FoS.

I made my statement a few hours before the lynch ended. It didn't have to be last minute. I had hoped that it would result in actually lynching a baddie, which I knew would definitely not be the result if I had been lynched. As it was, y'all lynched a civ anyway.

Matt wrote:Rico, for serious?

Did you just not see how this "law" hurt the town yesterday? If such a law never existed, a Cylon would be lynched (and at this point, there's a better chance of Lorab being an evil Cylon then a good one), and the XO of the Battlestar would still be alive!!!

I'm a good one.

ObscureAllure wrote:So you would put me before LoRab? Before people who have already said it and are cylon mafia like LongCon? I've already proven I'm not Nutella's partner in crime. You want to come after me for refusing to get punished again while ignoring mafia? That's on you. I've already received golden's wrath once this game, y'all done lost your marbles if you think I'm doing it again.

If there is more than 1 mafia, then your not being LA's teammate does not mean that you are not bad.

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I feel better about them, because obviously, she would prefer not to have to do it at all. Claiming you are a cylon is a last ditch resort.

One or more of them voting a teammate who is about to claim Cylon, and you feel better about them....you see there this goes down the black rabbit hole.

No, not really. Because someone would say what you are saying. I know I would not in a million years vote for a teammate about to role claim baddie. I would vote some tangent vote, or hold my vote until after she did it.

Except that I don't have BTSC with anyone.

DrumBeats wrote:Well we would need a ton of people if we wanted to counter the Nero wagon so maybe not.

Idea time! What if we pushed the Nero wagon past the Lorab wagon?

My thoughts on that is that if Lorab is human, he would be lynched regardless, if he is cyclon it would default to Nero. If we push Nero past, then we save a human Lorab if that is the case. It would make no difference if Lorab is a cylon. Only thing here is we would be uncertain in the end if Lorab is cylon or human. I'm not sure how you guys feel about it, but it's a possibility imo. We need to come up with a group consensus on that though, so nobody jumps the gun and does it anyway.

And @Glorfindel - G-man has a convincing case on you imo and I do not like Bea's interactions with nutella

I'm quite female.

And why would I false claim cylon?

Black Rock wrote:Voting Lorab

I don't think Lorab is a good Cylon, and I want her to keep having the most votes.

I am a good cylon. Unless you think I'm human and evil then why waste a vote?

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok.... So I have to choose between voting Nero or Lorab?

Clearly Lorab would've a poor choice for a vote since she likely has amnesty. I need to go read back through Nero's posts.

I must say I am shocked more people aren't suspecting me, because I am well aware how bad my post about Nutella looked after her flip. I would ask that my emotional instability at that moment not keep you all from suspecting me as normal, I assure you I'm fine now.

Not much time; going to go check out Nero. Regarding Lorab though, I am trying to think what colons might be civ aligned other than Athena and frankly I'm not sure, anyone have a thought on whether there are those that might be?

Linki: I have no problem declaring I am a cylon in order to follow this plan, I think it's a decent idea. So I am a Cylon.

Also, in case Lorab is trying a ploy to save herself by convincing others votes for her are useless, I am putting my vote on Lorab. If the math prevents anyone but Nero getting the second most votes at this point I don't see any other worthwhile place to put my vote. It will ensure we know for certain her claim is true and avoid any shenanigans she might be trying to pull. So instead of reading Nero before voting (which is apparently pointless) I'm going to vote Lorab.

Vote: Lorab

So, you don't think that there are other civ aligned cylons, but you are voting based on the idea that I could be a mafia aligned human? That doesn't really make sense.

I'm not bad. I'm not pulling any shenanigans. I am grateful that amnesty was declared so that I can live another day.

Silverwolf wrote:Like, I'm too angry to even post or care right now. You never even expressed suspicion of me Nero. Is it because I expressed some of you? Then that's selfish and plays against wincon.

Damn that was dumb and now you are dead when I most likely would of voted Lorab instead of you. That really worked out for you well didn't it?

*rant over*

Long Con-I'm venting, cuz it pissed me off.

It's kind of unfair to question someone's motivations when they cannot answer. And folks have plenty of different reasons for using their roles in different ways. I suggest that you ask him post game why he targeted you (assuming that he did and that the target wasn't switched or something). But I don't think it's appropriate to insult people in the thread for decisions they made about how to use their role.

Epignosis wrote:Lorab tomorrow. No questions.

And in response to everyone else planning to vote me tomorrow...

Except for the fact that I'm not bad. I mean, I fully expect to be lynched. But the fact is that you won't be lynching a baddie.

Polo wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:Possibly Polo, Rico or SVS.

You must be out of your mind.

I was the first to vote LoRab (mostly based on her ridiculously shady interaction with Nutella), which thankfully got several undecided people to man up and hop along, and had manifested my suspicion of her before. Would you do me a favor and stop pulling on my payots?

I look forward to quoting this post in particular in end game, when you all learn that I have no BTSC and am not a baddie.

sig wrote:I see it could be a scum slip, but I'm not sure it is. More importantly what are you drinking and do you have enough to share with the rest of the thread?

Prescription stuff and a glass or 2 of wine.

sig wrote:you hope to see a civ lynched tonight????

LOL, I'm just drugged. I meant to say I hope to see a baddie lynched tonight. I starting saying a civ not lynched, but then changed it, and then didn't change the rest of the sentence. #whyishouldntdrinkandplay

@Epi: SO plan to have me as the top vote getter and someone you think is bad in second. There's no risk with that.

Epignosis wrote:The other reason I am convinced Lorab is bad is that she's supposedly immune right now. She has no reason to spend her time right now telling us how much she is telling the truth, how "civ" she is, blah blah blah. She's spending her time telling us how much we need to lynch them bad guys without putting forth any effort herself. She's using her borrowed time telling us what to do instead of doing it herself. If she knows she's good, then she should be putting forth the effort to find mafia and PROVE her innocence as best she can. Instead, she's telling us we have no choice but to consider her fate the next Day.

Lorab, you are not a civilian.

Addendum: Exactly.

I am ,though. Civ that is.

I wish people would stop talking about me.

I'm going to

vote Bea.

Her post last night in response to accusations of a slip make me believe that she is bad.

I hope to see a civ lynched tonight.

Epignosis wrote:

LoRab wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Linki @LoRab, I think we found our good Cylon, Based on what I read on the rest, none of them seem very human friendly.

I don't know the show, but I assure you that in the game, I am not a baddie.

Epignosis wrote:Distill this down to its fundamental mechanics:

There is a Mafia member who cannot be lynched the first Day, but can be lynched after.

Do you burn the lynch on the first Day, or do you search for a teammate and lynch the Mafia member on the second Day?

Or is Lorab a deceitful traitor?

I hope that mafia are found because of my inability to be lynched That's why I did it. I'm not bad, so I want the lynch to focus on finding those who are.

I'm not a traitor to anyone.

@SVS: But that's just it. You think I'm lying. Which would make me human. If you believe that human equals good and cylon equals bad, then your assumption that I'm lying means that you think I'm civ.

I'm telling the truth. I've told the truth this entire game. I'm sure many won't believe me, but if I have the most lynch votes, you'll see that I'm telling the truth now.

No. You're trying to play both sides of the coin. If you are lying, you are a human, and then you resort to an if-then statement. If you are telling the truth, then you are a Cylon and according to your if-then statement, you are bad.

I am cylon and civ. Like I believe you are. The statement doesn't change based on what assumptions one is making from it. I'm telling the truth.

What I was trying to say in my post is if that is one is being accusational in a post about their thinking I am lying, then they are saying that they think I'm lying about being cylon. And most of those posts have seemed to be under the assumption that cylon equals bad

Few have admitted that there are likely baddie humans. IF the very least of my outing my cylonness is that people recognize that they have actually already accepted that possibility, then my death will have purpose.

linkitis: @SVS: I get that. But I'm telling the truth. But maybe this can lead to baddies being found. And even if you don't believe my result if I'm lynched in a future round, but you'll know that I'm right post-game.

Black Rock wrote:So say we all.

LoRab wrote:OK. I'm tired. And I might fall asleep (and I'll add in that I might not). And I see that I'm getting votes. And I want to wait until later to vote. And I know I don't want to die. And I know I don't want a false lynch. And I know I want this lynched to be focus on a baddie being lynched. And I don't want the civs wasting time talking about a suspect that isn't actually bad.

So, I'll just do this now and tell you that I'm a cylon. I'm not bad. I swear it. I have no connection to LA and have not in this game. I'm not bad. I'm on the civ side.

Please discuss me after this lynch. But now that you can't lynch me, please discuss suspects that might actually be bad.

I don't know if I can believe you are a good Cylon.

i have no way of proving it. But I am telling the truth, for what it's worth. i'm not bad.

S~V~S wrote:Linki @LoRab, I think we found our good Cylon, Based on what I read on the rest, none of them seem very human friendly.

I don't know the show, but I assure you that in the game, I am not a baddie.

Epignosis wrote:Distill this down to its fundamental mechanics:

There is a Mafia member who cannot be lynched the first Day, but can be lynched after.

Do you burn the lynch on the first Day, or do you search for a teammate and lynch the Mafia member on the second Day?

Or is Lorab a deceitful traitor?

I hope that mafia are found because of my inability to be lynched That's why I did it. I'm not bad, so I want the lynch to focus on finding those who are.

I'm not a traitor to anyone.

@SVS: But that's just it. You think I'm lying. Which would make me human. If you believe that human equals good and cylon equals bad, then your assumption that I'm lying means that you think I'm civ.

I'm telling the truth. I've told the truth this entire game. I'm sure many won't believe me, but if I have the most lynch votes, you'll see that I'm telling the truth now.

Epignosis wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Lynching Lorab would confirm her claim one way or the other. The alternative is to assume Lorab is bad and pour through nutella's and Lorab's interactions to determine another teammate.

It's a catch 22, though. Because I won't be lynched (due to the president's latest rule). So, either you don't believe it, in which case you think I'm human, which most people seem to assume means civ (even though I don't think that's true--just as I know there are good cylons, I believe there are bad humans). Or, I'm telling the truth and I won't be lynched--so you might as well talk about other suspects during the next 3 hours. I want to see a baddie lynched. It's why I did this now. Let's figure out who is actually bad.

This is decidedly not a catch-22.

Somewhat. But by calling it one, it makes you wonder if I'm actually crazy or just pretending to be crazy, for the sake of what is right, in this case the greater good of the civ cause...so it kind of is exactly a catch 22.

Epignosis wrote:Lynching Lorab would confirm her claim one way or the other. The alternative is to assume Lorab is bad and pour through nutella's and Lorab's interactions to determine another teammate.

It's a catch 22, though. Because I won't be lynched (due to the president's latest rule). So, either you don't believe it, in which case you think I'm human, which most people seem to assume means civ (even though I don't think that's true--just as I know there are good cylons, I believe there are bad humans). Or, I'm telling the truth and I won't be lynched--so you might as well talk about other suspects during the next 3 hours. I want to see a baddie lynched. It's why I did this now. Let's figure out who is actually bad.

OK. I'm tired. And I might fall asleep (and I'll add in that I might not). And I see that I'm getting votes. And I want to wait until later to vote. And I know I don't want to die. And I know I don't want a false lynch. And I know I want this lynched to be focus on a baddie being lynched. And I don't want the civs wasting time talking about a suspect that isn't actually bad.

So, I'll just do this now and tell you that I'm a cylon. I'm not bad. I swear it. I have no connection to LA and have not in this game. I'm not bad. I'm on the civ side.

Please discuss me after this lynch. But now that you can't lynch me, please discuss suspects that might actually be bad.

Epignosis wrote:Lorab, I falsely suspected you a long time in Yorkshire. I told you to quit defending yourself and get on the offensive. Maybe we can try that again. Who is it you want dead and why?

i still suspect LC, although less than before because BR doesn't seem to suspect him. Bea's posts yesterday really did raise alarm. I'm waiting to hear her response to determine how deep that suspicion is. The other names that have come up are either vague suspish to neutral.

S~V~S wrote:LoRab, it really did feel like a save the other day. And you felt the "save-iest". It sucks if that was not the case, but you can't blame people for feeling that way.

I have people coming over for GOT shortly, so I may or may not be back before the poll ends. I missed a vote in the other game, don't want to miss one here.

*Vote LoRab*

It was not the case. But, yeah, I totally get why people are suspecting me. And that they're seeing the connection and not remembering that buddying up with a teammate isn't my MO. And that there's a bunch of things that make me look bad. But I'm not bad. Frustrating that no one is seeing that.

Ricochet wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I'm too tired to stay much longer. Is there any interest in Nero as a potential nutella teamie?

Apparently not.

LoRab

My suspicion hasn't had others jump on, so I'm going to go ahead and vote for the bandwagon. Nice.

a2thezebra wrote:That sounds very counterproductive.

The way you describe sounds counterproductive to me. So, again, different ways of playing.

a2thezebra wrote:"You decided that you were voting for me before you even posted about it."

Is this uncommon?

I think it's more common that someone states a suspicion, waits for a response, and then decides their vote.

a2thezebra wrote:Poor wording? It's not worthy of a policy lynch because of poor wording. What you said is what you meant.

What I meant was that you voted for me based on a difference in play style, which you won't even consider being a different game strategy than your own, and not indicative of alliance. You decided that answering direct accusations with direct comments to specific points is suspicious. While I posted that it's how I always answer accusations, you would not entertain the idea that lots of players answer direct points and direct questions.

So, yeah, you voted based on your own ideas, without considering that you might be wrong. You decided that you were voting for me before you even posted about it. So, yeah, I'd rather you vote for me early than my have to waste my time arguing with you when you are going to stubbornly stick to your false assumptions.

a2thezebra wrote:

LoRab wrote:You didn't seem to want to listen to the fact that you're wrong.

Even if I am wrong, this statement is worthy of a policy lynch.

Poor wording is not worthy of a policy vote. And I think you know what I meant.

a2thezebra wrote:I do not believe that she is a confirmed civ.

I don't think that word means what you think that word means.

I figured you'd vote for me because you said you would, based on my directly answering direct comments about me. I get that you play differently. You didn't seem to want to listen to the fact that you're wrong, so I couldn't have convinced you anyway.

linkitis: So, you don't think I'm bad, but you're voting for me? Meh.

@Ricoh: I get why you suspect me. But I'm not bad and I'm just trying my best. I don't have a lot of strong suspicions, so I haven't had as many posts on suspects. I've posted when I have had thoughts (including my thoughts on LA after the fact. It was truly her end of day defense that made her look bad to me.). And while it's not an excuse, I've been both crazy busy and sick, which is not a good combination for life--and is one that makes thinking through mafia a challenging task at best.

Just read up after a long day.

I know people suspect me because I didn't suspect LA until late in her lynch, after I had voted, and she and I happened to post at the same time and held similar opinions, but I'm not bad.

G-Man wrote:Aw crapweasels, we missed it. And I see JJJ may have flubbed his too.

HOST: are sortie calls due at exactly six-hour intervals or must they simply be at least six hours apart?

I guess we'll find out if we get results for JJJ's sortie. This feels like it shouldn't be such a difficult thing to keep track of.


Who was it that used to say crapweasels? I can't remember.

Me! Generally in the singular, though. It's a Friends reference, actually. Many moons ago, it became my favorite non-curse curse.

Long Con wrote:

LoRab wrote:Also, you seem to be saying "we humans" and "us humans" a whole lot, as a baddie might do in order to avoid question that they are human. Baddies tend to be careful about that, civs not so much.

When you make posts like this it make you sound more bad, making implications based on someone's basic personality traits which are unrelated to affiliation. When I talk about you making feints at people, this is what I mean. Little implications that you can sow & pick up later if they bear fruit.

Where did you talk about my making feints at people? I must have missed that post? And no, I'm not trying to start a band wagon. I'm stating my suspicion of a player.

I often find suspicions based on patters of speech (well, typing) that are off to me--based on that players usual posting or based on general patterns of language. It is not indicative of alignment.

And in this particular game, I am not bad.

I initially assumed tinfoil for the slips Matt pointed out, but in reading Bea's reaction, I'm not so sure.

bea wrote: I'm super confused as to what you think I have slipped about? ]

Iso me. I've been talking about the idea of civ aligned cylons for like ever. YOU were the one I was responding to where. I first said "I'd have a rough time seeing athena as anything but civ aligned." Please go back and look.

I don't think I'm miss remembering in saying that happened before epi flipped athena. Where have I slipped? I think I've been pretty constant on my stance about the cylons.

Forget why you made the post in the first place and if that made sense or not (I think I get what you say you were saying, but it still is a bit off to me)--this reaction doesn't make sense from a civ perspective. "Where have I slipped?" implies that you have something to slip about. Not, you misunderstood my posts, or no that wasn't a slip I'm civ.

Also, you seem to be saying "we humans" and "us humans" a whole lot, as a baddie might do in order to avoid question that they are human. Baddies tend to be careful about that, civs not so much.

I'm still suspish of LC--but BR not reading him as bad is giving me pause; she reads him better than I do.

So say we all.

RIPIYWG Indi.

juliets wrote:Lorab you have it right about the :34 times. I just woke up from a nap and am confusing you.

Haha. It's ok. I understand. Been there, done that.

indiglo wrote:>May 12 - 12:12 am EST - Scotty - D6
>May 12 - 12:12 12:34 pm EST - Bea indiglo - B6

May 13 - 12:12 12:34 am EST - Marmot
May 13 - 12:12 12:34 pm EST - G-Man
May 14 - 12:34 am EST -
May 14 - 12:34 pm EST -



A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6

Looking ahead, if we're still doing this, and the timing is still the same, I could do 12:34 pm on Monday (the 16th).

a2thezebra wrote:It's not that you answered it, it's how you answered it. A direct denial. Not only does it mean nothing in terms of convincing anyone that you're telling the truth, when you directly deny a specific accusation as a single sentence it emphasizes that you really don't want to be seen as having that particular accusation be correct. What I mean is, it makes sense to say "I'm not scum" but saying "I wasn't assigned a mafia rolecard at the beginning of the game with a scum chat link and teammates A, B and C working together with me" raises questions about why you would want to deny something as specific as that.

I don't really understand why denying BTSC with a specific person when the idea was raised that I might have BTSC with that specific person is suspish to you.

And what you say isn't analagous. A few people said, "I think LA and LoRab have BTSC," I denied that such was true. It wasn't that people said more general statements, to which a general denial would make sense. And the initial posts about it weren't even about us being bad--OA's original comment noted that we could have civ BTSC--so I was making a statement denying that such BTSC exists. It did not and does not.

I realize that you don't tend to respond to specific accusations unless direct questions are asked. That's fine. I find that what you do is suspicious, just like you find the other way around suspicious--but I've come to learn that it's just how you play. As for me, my own mafia school of thought is that I answer specific accusations as they are made. Not just with statements of, "I'm not bad," but also with direct responses to individual matters that are raised--especially when they are not true.

But you do you. If that makes me get your eyeball, I can't really do anything about that. I'm not going to change the way I play because of it.

a2thezebra wrote:Because unless the accusation of XYZ was correct, you wouldn't need to.

a2thezebra wrote:Or should I say you wouldn't feel the need to.

I am of the school of answering posts about me. I may miss one now and then, but I try to answer every post about/directed towards me. I know not everyone comes from that mafia school of thought. So, the idea that I wouldn't feel the need to answer it if it wasn't correct doesn't grok.

So say we all.

I don't think we need to say it, but just in case I missed a post in reading through.

RIH LA.

And no, she and i were not connected. Here's the TLDR of what I'm about to type: I'm not bad. I am not connected to LA in any way in this game. She and I happened to have similar opinions at similar times--which is pure coincidence on timing and merely that she and I think about games similarly in general. I think she also tried to push the idea that were were connected with her later posts. Earlier on, I had no read on her--after I voted, her posts started to be evident that she was bad. I posted that when I noticed it, which was after I had already voted. The evidence is circumstantial and is leading folks to false conclusions about their suspicion of me.

bea wrote: no -you didn't miss it I didn't say - but BR put some supsih here that i agree with. So yea. Twirl if I'm wrong I will happily prove I'm wrong. But you do have to prove I'm wrong....

(since you asked for it and all)

Not sure how I could possibly prove that you're wrong. But I know you are. Please ask me more questions and explain which points you think were good. Because I would very much like to prove that I am good and you are wrong.

Black Rock wrote:

LoRab wrote:In totally unrelated news, I just got Hamilton tickets for December. And you all should vote for and play Dom's and my Hamilton game when we post it and the next poll goes up. And, I'm more than excited to have gotten tickets. I felt a need to share.

Then I think a congratulations is in order.

In other news, I was looking back in my FB photos and came across pics from Frex Halloween Party. There was one with you, me, LC, Sawyer540, and DD. Good times, miss the old crew.

Indeed. We should have a reunion! A few posts planning the finale party showed up on my On This Day a couple of days ago and I was definitely missing the old crew.

Black Rock wrote:Ok OA.

Black Rock wrote:

LoRab wrote:LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

Interesting LoRab. I see you jumped a vote on LC and have stuck around to throw out this opinion. Is this to cover your ass if LA flips something bad or murdering like? (I'm sorry, I'm not getting the whole concept yet)

Just something to watch. Just know I am.

It's this post from LoRab that just seemed to convenient. After she just voted for LC. Hold on I'll get that post...

LoRab wrote:I went ahead and

voted Long Con

Sorry, dude, but your posts are just reading more bad to me than good. It's more gut than anything.

And I'm under the weather and really tired, and don't trust that I won't fall asleep at the computer, so wanted to vote now rather than forget or sleep through it.

I felt this vote post was weak. She states she might be falling asleep. Although she has made post three hours later. She also seemed to be ticket shopping. Baddie LoRab is known for such excuses.

But once again it's this post...

LoRab wrote:LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

Like she was covering her ass, after she voted for LC and could not change it.

If she was covering her ass and bad it would mean they were teammates in the most murdering sense.

Linki: So say we all.

That is not a good Cylon.

I missed several votes in the last game and feel awful about that. I hate missing votes. I do what I can to make that not happen. Knowing I was tired, and that the chance existed of falling asleep, I chose to vote on the early side. It was not so much that I was falling asleep, it that I was afraid I would fall asleep. I didn't want to miss the vote. As things were, I did fall asleep before the lynch ended.

I ended up not falling asleep in front of the computer, and was up for a few more hours. My sleep is fairly erratic--so when I lynch ends at an iffy time, I try to remember to proactively vote early. At the time I voted, I was more suspicious of LC. When LA then made more posts, she started to look bad to me. That's really all there is to it.

And yes, during that 3 hours of "wow, I'm tired" and actually sleeping, I saw that Hamilton tickets had gone up for sale (which was unannounced and unexpected) and not wanting to lose my shot, I bought the tickets. It's not like I was looking for them.

No excuses. And yes, I'm sure I do things like this with falling asleep later than I thought I might as a baddie--I also do it as a civ, as an indie, as a neutral, and when I'm not playing the game. Honestly, sometimes I feel like I live on the Island (or in Night Vale)--time just isn't what it seems sometimes in my world.

I realize that there is circumstantial evidence that doesn't make me look good. But I assure you, it's purely circumstantial, and it's evidence of funky schedule-ness--not badness.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Things nutella said to/about LoRab:

Spoiler: show

nutella wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:
Somebody tell me how in the hell I scumhunt if we are going to assume anyone is town or scum? WTF am I supposed to do in this game then?

For starters, stop shutting down the opinions of those who are used to complicated set ups. Those of us that have been playing here and on Syndicate's Cousin Sites are used to set ups in which good and bad isn't all that clear cut. This is just another variation on our normal.

To be plain, I would be absolutely shocked and disappointed if this were a simple game of civ v mafia. That simply wouldn't make sense given the description, the roles, and the general expectation of this site (with a game like this with no win conditions listed--there are certainly civ v mafia games, but they are described as such).

It's a different skill set, to be sure, to find baddies in such a game. Perhaps it could be useful if this is entirely unfamiliar to listen to those for whom this is not unfamiliar territory.

Yes, this. We have had numerous games that were not simply black and white "town" versus "scum" because honestly that gets really boring after a while. SW, ika, this may be new for you but try to keep an open mind about what a mafia game can look like and how complex the alignment system can get, and also maybe pay some attention to those who have show-lore-knowledge that might help understand such complexity for this particular game. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but show some flexibility and open-mindedness because that is how we play here. You are welcome to your opinions but please don't be rude about them or try to shove them down people's throats.

nutella wrote:

LoRab wrote:

indiglo wrote:Hey, Drums, you triggered another secret event! A Spoiler Tag / Quote malfunction! Hooray!

I did that before. I found it quite disconcerting. Someone will be along to clean it up shortly, I imagine.

OK, sorry for a moment of nostalgia, but this totally made me remember a game from a thousand years ago where every five minutes, the host popped up with, "A secret event has been triggered." I think it was on The Piano, not LP--really early days. ZOMG Zombies, maybe? Or possibly Computer Lab? Or some other game from around that time that I just can't come up with. Does anyone remember? Because this is bothering me now.

I think it was dan's zombie game (which IIRC was the first game on the piano) but I'm not positive.

Speaking of nostalgia I have to say I giggled when Silver said LC's posts were "fluffy."

nutella wrote:linki @ OA, sorry I misremembered the thing about zebra. and fwiw I really think you're thinking of a different person but only zebra can confirm. Also, why do you think Lorab and I have btsc just because we posted near each other? We happened to be online around the same time?

nutella wrote:

LoRab wrote:@OA: I assure you, it is coincidence. My posts are based entirely on when I am able to get online and play.

This. I post when I am here and caught up. If Lorab and I are posting around the same time it's just because we happen to be online around the same time. Although such coordination would be a nice asset for BTSC, it does not in any way imply we have it. I have no BTSC, and at this point no opinion on Lorab's alignment.

linki: OA honestly I think it's strange that you've locked so hard onto this. Again, being online at the same time IN NO WAY implies BTSC. I feel like you're really digging for something to latch onto here.

nutella wrote:OA, I didn't mean you seemed to be latching onto me, I meant the topic of the thing you noticed with Lorab and me. I get that you don't necessarily think I'm bad for it, I just thought it was weird that you kept bringing it up multiple times after I had already said that it was coincidence. It's fair that you were responding to other people who asked for details, but it did feel like you brought it up many times and completely ignored the first time I responded to it.

nutella wrote:

LoRab wrote:LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

I am neither cornered nor a baddie I'm afraid I'll get lynched for basically the same reasons I do in almost every game, it's really frustrating at this point but I don't know what to do since no matter how or what I post people seem to read it as suspicious.

linki @ SVS I have no memory of how I played in recruitment (I assume you're talking about the latest one) and I don't know what you mean by "anyone but me" but I swear I'm just innocent and clueless this game.

linki @ bea: I might still vote for zebra even though I feel less strongly about her, but I kind of think I'll be voting more out of self preservation at this point and she has some votes to compete with those on me anyway. I'd rather not vote LC but if it ends up being a choice between voting him and getting lynched myself I'll do it. I'll wait as close to the end as I can though (without missing it this time )

The most interesting stuff pertains to the observation first made by OA that LoRab and nutella had been appearing in the thread very near to each other despite both being relatively quiet compared to the games loudest players. I highlighted a portion in the third post from the bottom in which nutella denies this accusation and my immediate reaction is to doubt her. The whole "it'd be nice if that were true, but it isn't!" approach to answering the accusation rubs me the wrong way (and when I say that, it's distinctly accusatory and not an assertion that nutella is "annoying". )

Not a great look for LoRab.

I realize the timing doesn't look good. I realize that LA's responses to that don't make it look good. I have to wonder if she did that on purpose, in order to stir the flames of folks looking at me to falsely lynch me after her, and give her actual teammates more time. LA is a smart woman--she knows how to answer accusations and questions--and she knows how to do so in order to set someone else up.

a2thezebra wrote:"I'm not bad. I don't have BTSC with Nutella. I don't know what else to say, because nothing else has been mentioned about why I'm suspish."

That's a frighteningly specific denial. LoRab will get my vote tomorrow.

It was in direct response to people speculating that I had BTSC with Nutella. That is literally the main point in most of the suspicion about me. In an earlier post, I had made a similar statement, and added that I didn't have BTSC with anyone else either. If someone is saying "you did XYZ" why wouldn't I respond directly to XYZ?

Black Rock wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

LoRab wrote:LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

Interesting LoRab. I see you jumped a vote on LC and have stuck around to throw out this opinion. Is this to cover your ass if LA flips something bad or murdering like? (I'm sorry, I'm not getting the whole concept yet)

Just something to watch. Just know I am.

I've been starting to doze off in front of the computer for an hour or so, and didn't want to miss the vote. I'm not confident in my vote, but I felt suspish enough to vote. And then continued to contribute when I didn't actually fall asleep.

Not sure why you find that nefarious. I'm not bad. I don't have BTSC with Nutella. I don't know what else to say, because nothing else has been mentioned about why I'm suspish.

Black Rock wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Matt wrote:Epi and Black Rock, follow Marmot!

No,vote Nutella

Well for my LoRab suspicion to work it would mean Nutella was her partner in murdering.

I'm confused by this, because later you say that I'm more suspish than she is. I'm not connected to her. At this poing, I don't trust her and I find her more suspish than I did when I voted. I don't know what esle to say, because you haven't really said anything about me.

bea wrote:taking a leap of faith here.


lorab

If I'm wrong please tell me why.

You are totally wrong. And, unless I missed it, you haven't said why you voted for me. If you explain, then I can tell you why you're wrong.

Well, it was you that twitched my whiskers. but your statement that did that would only be an issue if you and LA were baddie partners.

My new theory (in my head) is that the Cylon/Human relationship is not so black and white and there will be murderers from both sides. Which means the Mafia team is made up of both. I just don't know which roles.

You already know that I like to watch you. Can you see why that post is suspicious sounding?

I guess. It's always hard to see one's own posts from another's perspective, but I guess I see what you mean.

I hope you will realize as we move forward that I'm civ.

Black Rock wrote:

LoRab wrote:LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

Interesting LoRab. I see you jumped a vote on LC and have stuck around to throw out this opinion. Is this to cover your ass if LA flips something bad or murdering like? (I'm sorry, I'm not getting the whole concept yet)

Just something to watch. Just know I am.

I've been starting to doze off in front of the computer for an hour or so, and didn't want to miss the vote. I'm not confident in my vote, but I felt suspish enough to vote. And then continued to contribute when I didn't actually fall asleep.

Not sure why you find that nefarious. I'm not bad. I don't have BTSC with Nutella. I don't know what else to say, because nothing else has been mentioned about why I'm suspish.

Black Rock wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Matt wrote:Epi and Black Rock, follow Marmot!

No,vote Nutella

Well for my LoRab suspicion to work it would mean Nutella was her partner in murdering.

I'm confused by this, because later you say that I'm more suspish than she is. I'm not connected to her. At this poing, I don't trust her and I find her more suspish than I did when I voted. I don't know what esle to say, because you haven't really said anything about me.

bea wrote:taking a leap of faith here.


lorab

If I'm wrong please tell me why.

You are totally wrong. And, unless I missed it, you haven't said why you voted for me. If you explain, then I can tell you why you're wrong.

juliets wrote:Lorab you can certainly take my place tomorrow for the sortie. I have gotten to do several of them and I know your schedule is so tight it's hard to fit them in. So just let me know.

I'm happy to do it. I'll set an alarm on my phone right now to remind me, lol.

S~V~S wrote:

LoRab wrote:LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

She is putting me in mind of her game in Recruitment. That same "Anyone but me" thing.

@Golden, I will not quote it again, sorry

I agree. She is starting to read bad for me. I already voted, but I am not opposed to the thought of her lynch.

LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

I went ahead and

voted Long Con

Sorry, dude, but your posts are just reading more bad to me than good. It's more gut than anything.

And I'm under the weather and really tired, and don't trust that I won't fall asleep at the computer, so wanted to vote now rather than forget or sleep through it.

indiglo wrote:Ok, popping off for a bit. I'll be back.


May 11, 5:49 pm EST - juliets
May 11, 11:49 pm EST - Scotty
May 12, 5:49 am EST - SVS
May 12, 11:49 am EST - G-Man
May 12, 5:49 pm EST - juliets
May 12, 11:49 pm EST - Bea
May 13, 5:49 am EST - SVS
May 13, 11:49 am EST -
May 13, 5:49 pm EST -
May 13, 11:49 pm EST -


A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6


Linki - Ok, bea, how about May 12, 11:49 pm? (And yes, your time calculation is accurate!) I'll tentatively add you to that slot.

Linki - Matt, Logic, FTW!

Linki - ok, got you too juliets!

I was going to say I could do 5:49 tomorrow, because I realized that I could, but I see it's already taken. I feel bad that I haven't been able to volunteer, but tomorrow is my day off, and I am free at that time. Anyway, Juliets, I'm happy to take it off your hands if you want. None of the other times work on my schedule.

@OA: I assure you, it is coincidence. My posts are based entirely on when I am able to get online and play.

ObscureAllure wrote: I think Lorab and Nutella have BTSC although that in itself doesn't make them bad if they do, always possible to have townie BTSC.

I do not have BTSC with Nutella, or anyone else for that matter. And I am not mafia (which you say in a later post, but I only quoted this one). I have no idea about LA. I find her hard to read and I know she's graduating this week, so I know her schedule is off in terms of mafia time and her brain is probably in a lot of places right now. I think her commnents to/about Ika are consistent with the way she posts about players, regardless of alliance. I don't know where I stand with her.

Silverwolf wrote:What you two are missing is Epi's attitude towards me since I started playing on this site.

A lot of us had trouble understanding Epi's attitude and felt that he was against us. I've come to accept that he isn't really against anyone in particular--he just has his ideas about the best way to play the game. He's really not trying to be mean. He does come off as more gruff than I think he intends sometimes--I also think it's part of his strategy. I definitely don't think he's trying to run you off the site nor do I think he was suggesting that you not play.

G-Man wrote:

nutella wrote:

LoRab wrote:

indiglo wrote:Hey, Drums, you triggered another secret event! A Spoiler Tag / Quote malfunction! Hooray!

I did that before. I found it quite disconcerting. Someone will be along to clean it up shortly, I imagine.

OK, sorry for a moment of nostalgia, but this totally made me remember a game from a thousand years ago where every five minutes, the host popped up with, "A secret event has been triggered." I think it was on The Piano, not LP--really early days. ZOMG Zombies, maybe? Or possibly Computer Lab? Or some other game from around that time that I just can't come up with. Does anyone remember? Because this is bothering me now.

I think it was dan's zombie game (which IIRC was the first game on the piano) but I'm not positive.

Speaking of nostalgia I have to say I giggled when Silver said LC's posts were "fluffy."

No, Zombies was the third game:


That was my first game on The Piano but you guys had played two before that. Maybe Lost and Buffy? Or was At the Hellmouth an LP game? I played ZOMG Zombies and I don't recall it having secret events. I did not play Computer Lab. I was thinking maybe Matrix Mafia or, if SD is correct about it being a Scocub game, perhaps Mafia 2099- that was a futuristic sci-fi based game with a lot of weird stuff in it.

Am I a dork for having saved that banner link for all these years?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I think it was Computer Lab, the game where S~V~S was an outed baddie and we left her alive, oh and my IRC teammates blindfaeth and LittleTiger both were recruited to the Botnet and betrayed me?

Yeah, that game. Because I remember stlgirl saying there were secret events pretty often.

Ah, memories. So, either Computer Lab or Mystery, I think. Matrix was hosted by Blacx, not sco. And I loved 2099--one of my favorite roles and games of all time!

Other things: I could see LC being bad. His stubbornness about Epig being bad doesn't sit right with me. Others who watch the show have posted that Epig would make more sense, story wise, as civ aligned. LC obviously knows the show. That he won't entertain that possibility just doesn't feel right. He's smarter than that and has more complicated game experience to realize that it could, quite easily, be not that simple. His jokey jumping in on the sortie out of turn felt like LC poking the dragon to see how far he can go with someone--which feels more like bad LC than good LC.

Rico has been brought up a few times--he doesn't seem bad to me. His back and forth with Ika reminded me of a back and forth he and I had in recruitment, which (IIRC) was civ on civ--or at least unrecruited on unrecruited (I remained unrecruited, and I can't remember if this interaction was before or after he was recruited). Anyway, it doesn't make him read bad to me.