The Syndicate

My power use: I LD-ed G-Man on a post where he said he wasn't Moloch. Night 3 maybe (it was a night Rorsharch could be checking me). But then I doubted my own results because I figured Moloch might be check-proof.

Fascinating end game.

I was totally wrong on DDL's hinting--I was thinking Comedian. And then I was quite confused when that was wrong.

Anyway, fun game. Sad y'all lynched me. But well played and good fun.

*passes Zombie popcorn to cookie*
*may or may not spinkle some zombie poison on first*

Scotty wrote:
LoRab wrote:*passes zombie popcorn to scotty*

*offers some to MP*
Tastes like regret, sadness, and a hint of salt.

My favorite.

There's a touch of butter on it, too!

*passes zombie popcorn to scotty*

*offers some to MP*

It's only 84 here right now--it's supposed to get up to 90 today. But it's really humid and muggy. That said, I don't miss it being over 100 degrees every day, which is how summers were when I was living in Texas. I will miss Texas weather when we hit winter, though. I would be happy if it were in the 70's every day year round. And sunny. but not in a drought. Can we make that happen?

Well, now that you've voted to lynch another civ, assuming everything is as seems with the voting...you can look at my suspicions again and not ignore them because I think differently than others.

How interesting that the one player who has played several games with me is the one who voted with me this round.

Gman could be moloch, but I don't think is bad. But at some point need to go after moloch. So...

Cookie and mm are boTh suspsish. In that order

Wait and see what happens with made.

And be wary of people who go along with those whose reads are based on style that is different. Not the main voices but the ones who jump on the lynch wagon.

Voting cookie. Please someone vote with me. Preferably multiple people.

Lynching me is the wrong answer.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:LoRab, whatever it is that you typed didn't get posted. Only the quotes.

Crapweasel.

Basically that The fact that you don't see the connections I make doesn't mean those connections don't exist.

I am not bad. I know how to play the game. My style is different from your style. That you interpret that as evil is not accurate.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:LoRab, the problem with your claim that you use game mechanics to figure out suspicions is that I can't find one example of you doing that.

For example, in this post where you name your reads (which is probably the most useful post I've seen you made in the game):

LoRab wrote:I still suspect GMan. I think he's more likely Moloch than Big Bad, but my susupicion of him hasn't changed.

Cookie I still think could have been playing the newbie card a big. And, now that s/he (sorry, don't know everyone's gender around here yet) doesn't have anyone to discuss things with, and having been called out in the thread for it, is posting more content and being more confident.

MM I can't help but shake off a suspicious feeling. He (he?) seems to have someone different every day to say, yeah vote for them they're bad, without giving any reason. And then moves on to someone else. And, yes, I've been one of those people, so I admit that colors my thinking, but it doesn't feel right. But maybe Moloch. And, since Epi said something about not liking self-targeting somewhere, could fake being silenced.

MP I really doubt is bad. I don't think a baddie or indy would put that much work into getting Elo lynched. His passion for that case sounded real. I really think he believed it.

Tiny Bubbles, as I said, could have missed a PM. That MM seems to have been silenced seems to make it appear that something else happened with the kill. I can't remember who posted the idea that only 1 kill is inherited, which is an interesting thought. I also wonder if a silence came from elsewhere.

I don't have strong opinions on anyone else.

Does anyone have a Rorschach list handy?
You say MM is suspicious because he votes someone new every day, Cookie may be playing the newbie card, G-Man because of... some reason... and that's it. Valid points, not very original or adding a lot to the game, but valid. But no mention of game mechanics.

But then after you make a post like that you spend days posting pretty much only talk on game mechanics, and self-defense.

And I'm failing to see the bridge between the posts on game mechanics and your suspects, like you say there is. You are still very interested in figuring out how roles work and why people are not dieing in the night, but you make no attempt at figuring out who is mafia while at that, and when you do, it feels half-assed, and disconnected to the rest of what you talked about in the game.

And at the end of the day, your actual effort at hunting baddies seems too small for someone who should be trying to find baddies.

Btw, sorry if you might not be able to reply to this before the poll closes, but I just saw your response and I see no reason not to reply to it.

linki: nice, Rico. Now explain to me plz.

Ricochet wrote:I posted whom I find suspicious. Several times, actually.

Cute.

One of the things that DDL said made me suspicious was that I didn't post about suspicions or anything other than defense, and analysis of game mechanics and roles (which, I still believe are important, and are a big way of how I figure out games). My post to him was in context of that discussion. You came back with: Seriously, this was her post (that's a paraphrase of what you said, not a direct quote), and just name that part of it. Therefore, I commented on your having taken it out of context.

regardless, while I love semantics, discussing this isn't getting us any closer to finding baddies. I'm not bad--I strongly believe you're not bad. I'm choosing to believe DDL's claim for the moment.

Other than me, about whom I know you are wrong, who do you think is bad?

I will add the caveat that thinking I've understood a claim and understanding it are not always one and the same. It has been known to happen that I totally misread a claim. But I digress..

I need to go into a board meeting in about 15 minutes. I should be able to check in under the table an pretend to look serious. But I will not have time for lengthy posts. Just a bit of pre-warning.

Ricochet wrote:That is your, quote, "earlier" post on whom you find suspicious. You've since reiterated your suspicion on Cookie and that's it.

Mentioning you saw him claiming and saying you picked up what his claiming are two different things and mentioning you saw him claiming cannot be a consequence of picking up on what his claiming. A consequence of picking up what his claiming would be to say you picked up on what his claiming, not that you saw him claiming.

linki:

Ok. Here's the whole post. The topic is your suspicions, not your thoughts. Point your other suspicions in the post.

LoRab wrote:So no death again...

Sorry, Made, this is not looking good for you.

Other thoughts from the night:

Cookie wrote:
Scotty wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Scotty wrote:
LoRab wrote:Disappointing result. My being lynched would have been equally disappinting. Not sure a lynch of cookie would have been bad, having voted that way and all.

Thoughs haven't changed since I went to sleep. Hope to survive the night.
You're golden, I think I'm on the chopping block unfortunately.

Shame, because I feel like we really could have eliminated that problem.
So who do you see me is being elimininaed from that problem?
That sentence doesn't make sense.
But I'm talking about cookie
Honestly if I was BF, MP would have died in the NK when he first insisted that I was mafia, I think it was D3 or D4 when he put a lot of heat on me.
Translation: If I was WIFOM, WIFOM would have WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM if I was mafia, WIFOM.

Also, interesting, somewhat subtle role claim from DDL.

My vote will likely go to Made, Cookie, or maybe G-Man (for old time's sake).

Yes, and in it I point out reasons for some of my suspicions...my thoughts and my suspicions aren't really at all different things.

Since some of the players here don't seem to get that, I'll explain my post:

1. I note that Made doesn't look good for there having been no kill
2. Cookie posted what was basically one big WIFOM.
3. I didn't really suspect DDL at that moment because of his role claim. But did think it was an interesting claim to make.
4. The part that you quoted, where I list the folks I'm most likely to vote for.

What in that post isn't about my suspicions?

And I really don't see the significance in what you're saying about claiming. If I saw someone claiming and had no idea what they were claiming, I'd say that. Saying, "Interesting role claim" implies that I understand what that claim was.

Consequence has nothing to do with it. I pointed it out when I saw it; that I found it interesting couldn't be true if I didn't understand the claim.

Ricochet wrote:
In all seriousness, this is her post

LoRab wrote:My vote will likely go to Made, Cookie, or maybe G-Man (for old time's sake).

Also, nice editing out of other content I had in that post to make it seem like I hadn't said anything else on topic and about suspicions.

Ricochet wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Ok then. It's day 7. Based on roles and game mechanics, who do you think is mafia?

Go.
I posted earlier whom I find suspicious. Several times, actually.
It's Bernard, right?

In all seriousness, this is her post

LoRab wrote:My vote will likely go to Made, Cookie, or maybe G-Man (for old time's sake).

LoRab wrote:
G-Man wrote:Dragon just nudged into first place on my list. Pondering...
He seemed to subtly be claiming a role yesterday. At least that is how I was reading some of his posts. Which doesn't necessarily mean he's telling the truth, of course. I can't decide if it would be a good role for mafia to claim or not.
Have you picked on what he's claiming? I haven't.

That is not my only post where I have mentioned players. In all seriousness, because I play differently than you, doesn't mean I don't know how to play nor does it mean that I'm a baddie. I actually do know what I'm doing. And I'm civ.

And well, yes, I picked up what he was claiming. Which is why I mentioned that he seemed to be claiming.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Ok then. It's day 7. Based on roles and game mechanics, who do you think is mafia?

Go.

I posted earlier whom I find suspicious. Several times, actually.

G-Man wrote:Dragon just nudged into first place on my list. Pondering...

He seemed to subtly be claiming a role yesterday. At least that is how I was reading some of his posts. Which doesn't necessarily mean he's telling the truth, of course. I can't decide if it would be a good role for mafia to claim or not.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:
G-Man wrote:I'm going to have to think on this and decide between Cookie and Dragon. My spreadsheet is telling me that LoRab's Day 2 vote was too attention-drawing for a baddie. Indie perhaps, but not a baddie.
You keep bringing up this spreadsheet, and it actually seems like a damned good one. Anything else from it you can share?

And LoRab, it's not making any assumptions at all. DDL was asking whether people think Bernard would have named himself, not saying that he did. Anyway, I'm not gonna put words into his mouth. If you don't get what he was saying, you should either ask him or read the exchange again.

Clearly I don't know how to read you. It's our first game together. You seem bad to me. If I'm wrong, help me get it right so we can win.
right, I guess I just don't see it as possible to narrow down a list at all, when that hinges on the fact that we don't know if not being named is any indication.

And I'm not bad. I don't know how to help you to get it right. Apparently, defending myself makes me seem suspicious, since a number of people have mentioned that I keep defending myself as a reason for suspecting me.

I know I'm not bad. I don't know how to convince anyone else of that.

I'm not sure where I'm voting at this point. And the fact that I may need to vote to save myself may determine where my vote does go.

I continue to find cookie increasingly suspicious, and in a vacuum, would probably place my vote there.

linkitis: No, I understand. And why was that sarcastic?
It's not the fact you are defending yourself. Everybody is doing that. It's that you're doing little else.

Scrap every post where you defend yourself and every post where you talk about roles and game mechanics, and there will be very little left.

You are not hunting mafia. And I believe that's the #1 sign of not being civ player.

I want to leave the computer for a while and I don't wanna go back and find a lot to catch up before voting, so I'm voting now. Goodbye, LoRab.

roles and game mechanics ARE how I hunt mafia. I am absolutely hunting mafia. It's been what I've been trying to do since day 1.

And if I do get lynched. You'll see that.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:@LoRab: He was quoting a line from Watchmen.

totally don't remember that line. Alas.

Russtifinko wrote:
G-Man wrote:I'm going to have to think on this and decide between Cookie and Dragon. My spreadsheet is telling me that LoRab's Day 2 vote was too attention-drawing for a baddie. Indie perhaps, but not a baddie.
You keep bringing up this spreadsheet, and it actually seems like a damned good one. Anything else from it you can share?

And LoRab, it's not making any assumptions at all. DDL was asking whether people think Bernard would have named himself, not saying that he did. Anyway, I'm not gonna put words into his mouth. If you don't get what he was saying, you should either ask him or read the exchange again.

Clearly I don't know how to read you. It's our first game together. You seem bad to me. If I'm wrong, help me get it right so we can win.

right, I guess I just don't see it as possible to narrow down a list at all, when that hinges on the fact that we don't know if not being named is any indication.

And I'm not bad. I don't know how to help you to get it right. Apparently, defending myself makes me seem suspicious, since a number of people have mentioned that I keep defending myself as a reason for suspecting me.

I know I'm not bad. I don't know how to convince anyone else of that.

I'm not sure where I'm voting at this point. And the fact that I may need to vote to save myself may determine where my vote does go.

I continue to find cookie increasingly suspicious, and in a vacuum, would probably place my vote there.

linkitis: No, I understand. And why was that sarcastic?

You are wrong about me. But if you really believe that any of my behavior makes me bad, then I can't really convince you otherwise.

Ricochet wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Ricochet wrote: Also, LoRab probably didn't pay much attention to this, but all of Bernard's messages were presented according to the theme on the Day/Night post, from being recorded in a video (during Ozy's cycle) to taking the shape of an investigative report or something (?) (during Comedian's cycle), a note or letter (during Silk Spectre's) and finally the Manhattan broadcast just now. So yeah, it's from Bernard, alright.
Actually, I did notice that. I notice small details. It's sort of my thing. That and twirling.
So you did notice that Bernard's messages are shaped according to the theme of the host post, but decided to speculate that the message might not be Bernard's, anyway?

Again, post title seemed possibly worded differently and used the Watchmen name directly (not the name on the street guy name). also, "Word from Dr Manhattan" kind of implies that there may be a word from, IDK, Dr Manhattan. A role we know pretty much nothing about.

If you're going to question my ability to play and understand this game, at least read what I've said.

I question everything in mafia and take very little for granted.

Russtifinko wrote:
Linki: LoRab, on your point to DDL, he wasn't trying to eliminate the people Bernard named from suspicion. He was trying to figure out who Bernard himself was and eliminate that player from suspicion.
And Rico, your last post is exactly what I was thinking.

That's making quite an assumption in Bernard never having named himself.

And your thinking about me indicates that you have no idea how to read me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
LoRab wrote:Sorry, Made, this is not looking good for you.
No kidding! He's not even on the poll.

He is, actually.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:For the record, I don't think Big Figure forgot to send a kill in on Night 5, not if he still managed to silence/voteblock a player.

Assuming that all players who seemed silenced were actually silenced.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Anyway, I did some reads at players posts.

LoRab keeps giving me the feeling that she's not playing the game. Almost every post he made was self-defense. Self-defense is okay, but does not help anybody except herself. Other than that, there's the G-Man tunneling, and a couple small suspicions that have stayed the same for the whole game yet she hasn't bothered to engage those players or discuss those suspicions too much. She seems more interested in discussing game mechanics, and again, defending herself.

For example, I'm aware she thinks G-Man is suspicious, but it's Day 7 and I still can't name one reason for her suspicion other than the day 1 LD thing. She agreed with a post I made but didn't say anything more than that. When promped to name her suspects, she finally said she suspected MM and Cookie, but that felt more like something forced than an actual attempt to hunt mafia. Like "hey people, look how I'm naming suspects" - <goes back to defending herself>

And that's her problem, she doesn't feel like someone who's hunting mafia. Just an spectator.

As for Cookie, she's all over the place. Her civ/mafia change with the speed of light, her votes are made for sudden, and questionable reasons and he has that aura of noobiness that goesn't go away. She seems to be trying harder the last few phases, which is good, but her attempts to try harder are still weird as fuck. And a lot of her posts feel like she's just following other people and repeating what they say. Not that following others is necessarily bad, but the way she does it feels forced sometimes. She does have an early vote for ika, which makes her less likely BF, though. I can see myself voting for her because I can't give her a pass forever, but I can easily see her being legit. But at least she feels like she's trying, and posting suspects by her own will unlike LoRab who seems like she only does it when she's forced to.

Finally, there's G-Man, who I already elaborated on and am not going to do it again so soon. To sum it up, he also seems detatched, but in a more calculated way. But he's also a pretty random guy who is difficult to read, so I'm not sure about lynching him at this point.

So I feel like voting LoRab today.

If you actually read my posts, I've been naming people here and there. I don't like making big long posts about people--I find it rarely convinces anyone of anything, other than myself. And why change my opinion when I've had no reason to change my opinion? Yes, my suspicions have remained consistent. Not sure how that makes me bad? And if you actually read my posts, I don't only mention names when prompted.

I'm sorry I seem like a spectator to you. But every time I've mentioned my reasons for suspecting people, I've been told I'm wrong in the way I think through things (see day 1). And yes, I've defended a lot--it's what I do when I'm accused.

I've been playing this game for a while. I think about things different than a lot of people do. It works for me. I've evolved a style. I'm sorry if you don't like that style, or that it seems like I'm not trying to catch baddies because I don't do it the way you do, but I'm not going to change the way I figure out games because it makes me seem suspicious.

Russtifinko wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:For the record, I don't think Big Figure forgot to send a kill in on Night 5, not if he still managed to silence/voteblock a player.
Thanks for the remiinder on this, MM. I saw no kill and was about to go all gung ho for a Made lynch. However, it seems there is something besides missed PMs though, since the silence went through. Almost looks to me like someone is doing a very underwhelming job of framing Made.

LoRab wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Do you think Bernard would suspect himself?
I'm not convinced Bernard wrote the list.

And, still, more suspects than possible slots.
Why would Bernard not write the list! It literally says "From Bernard" at the top. It really doesn't get any clearer than that.

Like I said, when I mention things, others tell me I'm wrong in how I'm thinking about things. I wonder about this particular post because that is literally all that is in the post, and because another role, whose description we do not know, is named in the title.

And something saying it's "from so and so" does not necessarily mean it is. I'm just throwing considerations out there.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:@Russ: on the Bernard thing, I care because I want to remove suspects from my list. We are approaching the end game and it's a good thing if we can nail the final mafia by a proccess of elimination.

How does Bernard naming people eliminate people from suspicion? He only has a limited amount of information, and from a player who has been dead for a few days now. so, really, just as much speculation at this point as the rest of us.

Cookie wrote:Sorry for typos, I'm on my phone.

Anyway, I mentioned earlier that I though LoRab's vote was curious because I felt he didn't want to be responsible for lynching a civ so he voted to make it a 3 way tie.

For this reason and others I think my vote will go to LoRab (my phone keep autocorrecting it to Logan) but I am going to wait until I get home at around 7:30 to thoroughly read the thread and vote.

What? When did I create a 3 way tie?

Ricochet wrote: Also, LoRab probably didn't pay much attention to this, but all of Bernard's messages were presented according to the theme on the Day/Night post, from being recorded in a video (during Ozy's cycle) to taking the shape of an investigative report or something (?) (during Comedian's cycle), a note or letter (during Silk Spectre's) and finally the Manhattan broadcast just now. So yeah, it's from Bernard, alright.

Actually, I did notice that. I notice small details. It's sort of my thing. That and twirling.

I might not post in the way y'all are used to on this forum, but I really do actually pay attention.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Do you think Bernard would suspect himself?

I'm not convinced Bernard wrote the list.

And, still, more suspects than possible slots.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Bernard's choose of suspects this time is actually pretty interesting.

More than half the players, with only 2 baddies left.

And it seems to be a message from Dr M, not Bernard--so not clear if Bernard from the grave or Dr M maybe using his role (since we don't know his role description, hard to say).

At any rate, what about it did you find particularly interesting?

So no death again...

Sorry, Made, this is not looking good for you.

Other thoughts from the night:

Cookie wrote:
Scotty wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Scotty wrote:
LoRab wrote:Disappointing result. My being lynched would have been equally disappinting. Not sure a lynch of cookie would have been bad, having voted that way and all.

Thoughs haven't changed since I went to sleep. Hope to survive the night.
You're golden, I think I'm on the chopping block unfortunately.

Shame, because I feel like we really could have eliminated that problem.
So who do you see me is being elimininaed from that problem?
That sentence doesn't make sense.
But I'm talking about cookie
Honestly if I was BF, MP would have died in the NK when he first insisted that I was mafia, I think it was D3 or D4 when he put a lot of heat on me.

Translation: If I was WIFOM, WIFOM would have WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM if I was mafia, WIFOM.

Also, interesting, somewhat subtle role claim from DDL.

My vote will likely go to Made, Cookie, or maybe G-Man (for old time's sake).

And someone also suggested that Big Whatever actually only inherits one of the 2 kills, and there was no mafia kill last night. Which seemed like an out there idea, although then reading the role descriptions it seems plausible.

Or missed PM.

Those are my top 2 guesses.

Welcome!

Scotty wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Scotty wrote:
LoRab wrote:Disappointing result. My being lynched would have been equally disappinting. Not sure a lynch of cookie would have been bad, having voted that way and all.

Thoughs haven't changed since I went to sleep. Hope to survive the night.
You're golden, I think I'm on the chopping block unfortunately.

Shame, because I feel like we really could have eliminated that problem.
So who do you see me is being elimininaed from that problem?
That sentence doesn't make sense.
But I'm talking about cookie

Not sure what I meant. This is why I should only mafia when fully awake--my posts make much more sense.

Scotty wrote:
LoRab wrote:Disappointing result. My being lynched would have been equally disappinting. Not sure a lynch of cookie would have been bad, having voted that way and all.

Thoughs haven't changed since I went to sleep. Hope to survive the night.
You're golden, I think I'm on the chopping block unfortunately.

Shame, because I feel like we really could have eliminated that problem.

So who do you see me is being elimininaed from that problem?

Disappointing result. My being lynched would have been equally disappinting. Not sure a lynch of cookie would have been bad, having voted that way and all.

Thoughs haven't changed since I went to sleep. Hope to survive the night.

I'm starting to fall asleep, so need to vote. Voted Cookie. My gut just keeps telling me she's bad. Imperfect reasoning, but my gut is my gut. So, that's where I'm going.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:And calling me suspicious because I said something confusing about game mechanics seems forced to me, LoRab.

My suspicion wasn't because of your confusion, but because what you posted I found suspicious.

Wait..I'm confused...

First you post:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Linki 2: And why wouldn't he be able to be silenced twice by one person? In general, games here have a "no double targeting" rule that applies to consecutive nights only. So silencing MP D4 and D5 would be illegal, but D3 and D5 would be allowed.
Oh, I think you're right. The rule says "twice in a row".

So MP doesn't have to be faking it to be BF.

Still, I have no idea why Derf woul even want to silence him twice.

So, you recognize that self-targeting isn't likely allowed at all.

But your subsequent posts are really a bit confused about how he may have been sileneced. You are seeming more suspish, tbh.

Cookie wrote:An excuse for what? Someone said that I was likely being helped from Sloonei/Espers from the grave and those are my reasons why that's unlikely.

Vote me if you feel that warrants a vote for me. Keep in mind, if I am lynched, we will only have 2 more days to lynch the inmate and Moloch.

That you couldn't possibly have been helped by the confirmed baddies.

And there isn't a necessary number of days after this lynch to know that is left. Unless you know how the night kills work?

Leaning towards voting cookie at this point. But want to hold off in case I need to save myself.

Yeah, that sounds like an excuse...

Cookie wrote:
Scotty wrote: -How do you know espers left for RL reasons? I don't remember anyone posting that reasoning, let alone him.I'm assuming this because why else would he leave with no explanation unless he was leaving because of being lynched out? Regardless, he wasn't interested in playing this game, so I doubt he'd be interesting in helping out the final mafia.

Wait, what?!

I'm frustrated, yes. I've had suspicion of me since day 1 and it's now day 6 and I know I'm not bad. So, yes, it becomes frustrating.

Why do you think MM and Cookie are both civ?

Ricochet wrote:
LoRab wrote:I can't remember who said something about Dr Manhattan maybe being unlynchable? Given that the watchmen do not need to be alive to win, according to the descriptions, it would seem like an odd power to add. Survives the first attempt or two on life, maybe...but unlynchable doesn't seem likely, imho.
The unlynchable characters in Death Note that I was referencing too didn't need to be alive to win either, just fulfill a individual win con.

OK, then. I've never seen that combination. But I stand corrected.

Meant to add.

@Russ: You seem to neglect considering that either of those players could fake being silenced.

Russtifinko wrote:Hi all! Back from my trip and have read up. Posting what's immediately on my mind, and then I have to get my life back in order (e.g. shower, laundry, etc.). I will be around to talk most of the evening, even if I'm a bit in and out.

First, based on their posting in other threads, I fully believe both MM and MP are silenced today. It would be impossible for MP to not post if he weren't, and I don't think MM would say absolutely nothing, either.

LoRab, all we've seen from you for days is defending yourself. I get that you follow your own path, and you say you're involved, but the fact of the matter is you're not offering a ton of help right now, and for me the more you write huge defenses without saying much else, the worse you look. Who do YOU think is bad? Do you think the players accusing you are bad, or simply misguided civs? Do you think espers' baddie companion bussed him yesterday?

Have you read my posts from today? I've mentioned suspects. And if people are making huge posts against me, why wouldn't I post defenses? And if I only have a limited amount of time/effort to spend playing mafia in a day, and a lot of that is taken up with the need to defend, then yeah, I'm going to defend, and figuring out other suspicions is going to be on the back burner. It's the nature of the game.

Maybe read my posts, and you'll see my suspicions.

Oh! And LoRab, why so interested in Rorschach's list? Even when Rico said you were on it?

LoRab wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
LoRab wrote:Does anyone have a Rorschach list handy?
DDL (Golden, DH, Eloh)
Cookie (Golden, DH)
LoRab (Golden)
Scotty (Eloh)
MP (Eloh)
Do you have a complete list (including people already gone)?

I already knew I was on it; what does that matter and why would it make a difference in my being interested. I'm trying to figure out who Rorscharch might be, and who might be trying to get people who are on that list lynched, is why I'm interested.

And you mention that I was asking about this. And mention my point about not trusting Ozymandias (and my point was not that we don't know what he knows, but more that we don't know if he is trustworthy). And yet say that I'm not contributing to the conversation. In the same post. Which is it?

linkitis: Thanks!

I can't remember who said something about Dr Manhattan maybe being unlynchable? Given that the watchmen do not need to be alive to win, according to the descriptions, it would seem like an odd power to add. Survives the first attempt or two on life, maybe...but unlynchable doesn't seem likely, imho.

@Cookie: I've been on Rorscharch's list since day 2, so avoiding that list hasn't been my goal for a while, unfortunately.

@Scotty (I think it was Scotty): I don't think we should be trusting Ozymandias as a role, based entirely on source material.

linkitis: @Ricochet: I meant a complete list of all of the players throughout the game who would be on the list--not just the ones who are still living.

Ricochet wrote:
LoRab wrote:Does anyone have a Rorschach list handy?
DDL (Golden, DH, Eloh)
Cookie (Golden, DH)
LoRab (Golden)
Scotty (Eloh)
MP (Eloh)

Do you have a complete list (including people already gone)?

Ricochet wrote:
LoRab wrote:Into the games means interested and posting as much as one can. Your post seemed to imply that I was blowing the game off and just wasn't into it any more. Did I misunderstand?
Yes.

LoRab wrote:Please don't lecture me as how the game works--I've been playing for a while now, thanks.

LoRab wrote: I'm civ. I really think we need to lynch the big bad this cycle, or at least moloch. I am not either of those. Are you? I don't really suspect you, but I figured I'd ask.
I am not.

LoRab wrote:But let's pretend that we all believe that I'm civ. Whom do we think is not?
Would be nice to hear from you on this matter as well.

And I seem to be cranky today, so I apologize.

I still suspect GMan. I think he's more likely Moloch than Big Bad, but my susupicion of him hasn't changed.

Cookie I still think could have been playing the newbie card a big. And, now that s/he (sorry, don't know everyone's gender around here yet) doesn't have anyone to discuss things with, and having been called out in the thread for it, is posting more content and being more confident.

MM I can't help but shake off a suspicious feeling. He (he?) seems to have someone different every day to say, yeah vote for them they're bad, without giving any reason. And then moves on to someone else. And, yes, I've been one of those people, so I admit that colors my thinking, but it doesn't feel right. But maybe Moloch. And, since Epi said something about not liking self-targeting somewhere, could fake being silenced.

MP I really doubt is bad. I don't think a baddie or indy would put that much work into getting Elo lynched. His passion for that case sounded real. I really think he believed it.

Tiny Bubbles, as I said, could have missed a PM. That MM seems to have been silenced seems to make it appear that something else happened with the kill. I can't remember who posted the idea that only 1 kill is inherited, which is an interesting thought. I also wonder if a silence came from elsewhere.

I don't have strong opinions on anyone else.

Does anyone have a Rorschach list handy?

Into the games means interested and posting as much as one can. Your post seemed to imply that I was blowing the game off and just wasn't into it any more. Did I misunderstand?

And, really, when I am working, I never post as much Fridays and generally saturdays. During the school year, also true for Sundays. And I'm not using this as an excuse, but the fact is that there are times when I can post more and times when I cannot. And I don't post for the sake of posting if I don't have anything to say.

I'm not going to list for you every point I've made; I don't really see the point in doing so. I tend to stick to my own thoughts. I'm really stubborn about my thinking. I don't bring up cases against people unless I see something that others haven't seen. Which, come to think of it, I did mention Iko early on, and that being replaced actually made me feel more utzy about him. There, something else I said, if it makes you feel better.

And I've mentioned suspicions when I've had them. I like to play my cars close, so I don't post every single thought I have in the thread. Yes, my big posts have been about G-Man and defending myself. I'm not sure how many times you've had to defend yourself in a game, from day 1, but it gets exhausting, especially as a civ. And especially when the bulk of accusations come down to: you're different than what I'm used to so you must be bad. Which, really, is what most of the accusations against me have boiled down to.

Please don't lecture me as how the game works--I've been playing for a while now, thanks. And the game I play doesn't necessarily seek to convince others of my opinions, rather to explain why I have opinions. I don't take part in every conversation, because I don't always have something to add. I don't post for the sake of reading my own words. And, in reading a full day's posts, sometimes a thought I had on an early post that day wasn't relevant by the time I posted. So why say something that is no longer relevant?

You don't like my style of posting. I get it. Or, at least you're not used to it and you find it hard to read. Yes, that's what I go for. I don't want to be a player who is easy to read. And, frankly, if all the posters are easy to read, then the game isn't so interesting to me--there are 2 baddies yet and I'm honestly not sure who they are. And with Watchmen as question marks, to a degree, I could be the actual only civ left, as far as I know (ok, I haven't looked at actual numbers, so that may be an exagerration, but you know what I mean). I'm civ. I really think we need to lynch the big bad this cycle, or at least moloch. I am not either of those. Are you? I don't really suspect you, but I figured I'd ask.

And don't feel bad--and I will be revealed as civ if you lynch me or end game. Either you'll get used to me or you won't. But I don't take that stuff personally. Some of my favorite mafia players are those who are my nemeses. ask me some time how FEB became either a term or a smilie. And my game play is suspicious to a lot of people. Actually one of my tells (and I like sharing my tells, they keep the game more interesting for me) is that if I'm not doing things that are suspicious to people, I'm probably bad. I understand that, but I'm stubborn and like how I play. It also keeps me alive sometimes.

And I didn't mean to get all fist shake-y towards you, but your initial post made it sound like I'm no longer invested, and that's just not true. No hard feelings. But your case against me is still false.

But let's pretend that we all believe that I'm civ. Whom do we think is not?

linkitis: @DDL: Saying I (or anyone) looks detached and saying I'm not into the game are 2 totally different statements. But no worries--I think you make a good point about G-Man. I mean, I've suspected him since day 1, so....

linkitis: @Rico: That last is an interesting point. Someone knew new Eloh wasn't mafia would have been fine thinking only moloch...worth looking into.

Re: no death. It's also possible that someone missed sending a PM.

While it's hard to believe that a mafia member would do this, I've seen it happen. By mistake and on purpose, for that matter. But, in this case, I wonder if Tiny Bubbles is Big Figure (which would also be ironic) and wasn't around to make the kill, having not posted since mid-Day 5. Perhaps through trying to catch up, s/he missed sending in the post.

Ricochet wrote:
LoRab - Hasn't been really into the game since D4, when she mostly focused on defending herself and getting herself out of being lynched. I don't remember hearing a suspect from her apart from G-Man the first three days. Oh, you prefer sticking with your leads, rather than being in the loop with others? "Frankly dear..." No change from what I already wrote about her. I'm sorry, but just like with Eloh (even if she was good), you will seriously have to tell how am I supposed to trust LoRab. I'm feeling she's completely detached from the main events and it only makes me more wary. I wouldn't mind voting her today.

Please don't make assumptions about how attached/into the game I am--or attached/into anything for that matter. That is not fair to do to anyone else, for one thing, and it also simply isn't true.

My job takes precedence over a game. Friday night and Saturday morning tend to be times that I'm working and have absolutely no access to games. Friday day usually has a lot of prep. So, that I haven't posted a lot during that time frame means that I haven't had a lot of time to post. Not that I'm not following the game.

And yes, I tend to think my own thoughts and march to my own drummer. In life, as well as in mafia games. Reading what other people thinking--yes, I sometimes agree and other times don't. Of course it informs my own thinking. But, for the most part, I reach my own conclusions. It's how I play--it's how I've always played. Not knowing what anyone else's alledience or motivation is, I tend to trust my own reads more than necessarily more than others.

And you shouldn't trust me. You hsouldn't trust anyone. But I am not at all detached. I haven't had anything to add to the conversations when I've been on (especially on the days when I've had to catch up on a lot of reading, so anything I'd have said had already been said).

But you also shouldn't lynch me, because I'm not bad. Give me something to defend against other than, "She plays different than I see other people play" and I'm happy to defend. But don't tell me I'm not into the game and I haven't posted the things you expect me to say and therefore is detatched. That's just not true and, frankly, it's insulting.

Ack. Sorry I missed pretty much this whole lynch cycle. One of those days at work and then got sucked into dinner plans and couldn't pull away to check. I hate missing votes. Especially when one vote can really matter, and the result was not good.

Will respond to posts tomorrow.

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