The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Math disagrees.
Math doesn't account for human nature.
That's quite right. Math doesn't. That's why it's math.

And mafia is a game where human nature often trumps math.

Epignosis wrote:Math disagrees.

Math doesn't account for human nature.

LoRab wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
LoRab wrote:Well played, pigs.

I will argue that I still stood a fighting chance. But that's ok. It was fun.
The pigs targeted you for the kill, which failed. So they couldn't target you for the next Night because of no targeting rules.

Because they made Russ target one of their own, they had 5 votes to 4 this Day, and, since the protectors and the blocker and the self-target-maker were all dead, their next kill would have succeeded without question. Hence endgame.
The pigs' kill would always fail against me--it's in my role.

And I'd have voted with them. Plus, add in missed votes (including from the piggies). Plus I could have chosen the right players for every other lynch to vote manipulate and not ones who were taken off the poll. Perhaps unlikely, but possible.

I'm not really complaining. But, in my head, I know I could have won. And that's just fine.

linkitis: Depends on when in the game it would have been. I switched around a lot the extent to which I was trying to cooperate with baddies/civies. I'd have probably tried to kill someone who would have been hard/impossible to lynch.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I was disappointed I didn't get lynched. Figures I finally am a bomb and I couldn't build momentum for my own lynch.

I really thought that D1 self-vote would do it. Then LoRab thought it would be funny to make me do it again.

It was. :P

Hilarious, really.

Epignosis wrote:
LoRab wrote:Well played, pigs.

I will argue that I still stood a fighting chance. But that's ok. It was fun.
The pigs targeted you for the kill, which failed. So they couldn't target you for the next Night because of no targeting rules.

Because they made Russ target one of their own, they had 5 votes to 4 this Day, and, since the protectors and the blocker and the self-target-maker were all dead, their next kill would have succeeded without question. Hence endgame.

The pigs' kill would always fail against me--it's in my role.

Well played, pigs.

I will argue that I still stood a fighting chance. But that's ok. It was fun.

So, Lacey, while you're here...why did you suspect FZ the other day and plan to vote for him?

I'm not bad. Why do you think I am? There hasn't really been a solid case made against me this whole game, despite my name continually coming up.

I think someone called me blendy, even...which is an odd description for someone who has had unpopular opinions throughout the game.

RIP DF. And I hope you're ok after your accident!!

Ugh. Way too much going on at work today. So I could only think about mafia and not actually reread things. But after MM's post just now about DF, I think that's a good choice. I think his 3 vs 4 post could have been a slip. And he also had posted earlier in the game about night 1 having to have been the Mighty Eagle because the baddies would never have put all their powers in one role, which I still think ignores the fact that the baddies have to have someone do their kill--and he's been playing long enough to know that.

*vote: DF*

yes, 4 4 1.

Which I agree is scary.

I need to reassess all of my thinking on everyone this game. We've had so many bad lynches, that I'm not even sure whom to trust and suspect any more.

Ok, good. And no problem--I am quite forgiving of host errors.

I was scared there was some secret role that was mimicing powers or something. I feel better now.

And how are there 3 players off the poll?

RIP Splints. I guess the part where my suspicion of you lessened was correct. And, by my math, there are now more baddies than civies in this game.

DFaraday wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Well, many words I can't say in front of Simon. Sorry, guys. I feel like I let the team down there. So, is it LoRab then, or am I way off base there too?

The baddies have had us way bamboozled this game, and I dunno if it's them playing well or just us playing really, really poorly.
you are way off base there too.
Everyone is saying, "its not me" but its got to be someone :P Who's lyin', huh?
Very true, I'm sure at least one baddie is one of the players who has been in the spotlight recently, either suspecting or being suspected. But it looks like all 3 baddies are still alive, so finding them all is getting to be more and more urgent.
I just looked at the roles again and realized there are 4 pigs. That makes it even more urgent.

Did you look at the roles again or did you realize you forgot to count yourself...

Just kidding. Mostly. :P

Russtifinko wrote:Well, many words I can't say in front of Simon. Sorry, guys. I feel like I let the team down there. So, is it LoRab then, or am I way off base there too?

The baddies have had us way bamboozled this game, and I dunno if it's them playing well or just us playing really, really poorly.

you are way off base there too.

Ugh. Sorry I missed the lynch. Sorry to see so much false suspicion being thrown at me. I hope the baddies are enjoying manipulating this entire game. I had a really, really long day at work and barely had the chance to sit down at my computer to check email, much less check into the game. Plus, I'm fighting a bug and feel like bluch. Anyway, RIP llama. I wish I had been around to fight for you.

thellama73 wrote:
LoRab wrote: I'm not bad, but I can't speak for llama. I honestly have gone back and forth on him a few times.
YOu and I are on a team, Lorab, in the sense that we are both not, even a little bit, bad.

At least there's one post this lynch I entirely believe to be true.

I will respond to other posts tomorrow.

Russtifinko wrote:
LoRab wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Yup, it's lipsticklacey, boomslang, blooper, and one more. Not sure who yet. Guaranteed that those three are bad though.
What makes you say this? Besides Blooper today, everyone who's been of the poll could've been put there by the baddie or civvie remover.
Because my theory is that the baddies have obtained the egg we passed around at the beginning and are distributing it amongst themselves. I will say that Blooper is the one I most suspect though, based on her posting content. She's very under the radar this game, which experience teaches me means a bad Blooper.
I agree with this, about the egg, which is why I'm not fully confident about Made's role. I 'm not advocating to lynch him today, but I also don't trust him.

I want to hear why Lacey had been planning on voting FZ (she posted before the last lynch end that who she planned to vote for was off the poll--and she was the other person off the poll). I am fairly confident at this point that she's bad.

And I kind of keep forgetting that Blooper is playing, so I agree under the radar.

I don't know boomslang at all, so don't really have a read there.
This is super far-fetched. We've never heard anything to indicate that the golden eggs were used beyond Day 1. More importantly, Epi's post said there were THREE of them. Do you really think Epi would make a mechanic where baddies could get access to powers that make them unlynchable and can be passed around indefinitely??? You're of course assuming they would have to be passed, because otherwise the host would have been creating three unkillable roles based on a Day 0 contest, which would either decide the game or make it unendable. That means it's a virtual certainty the baddies would eventually get all three, and it would be impossible for us to win.

You two are both SO BAD. Hopefully the rest of the civs will see through this thin veneer of manure disguised as theorizing and join me to get llama.

I have played many games where there were helpful items that were passed around throughout the game. I don't think it's farfetched at all. I also assume, being eggs, that all 3 do not necessarily make it through the whole game. But I agree with Llama that the baddies got one of the eggs day 1 and have been passing it around there team. I've assumed that all along as the purpose of the day 0 thread to have an impact on the game as a whole. Or that the piggies somehow need the eggs, but because the king consumes them, they don't accumulate (as is implied in the role descriptions). Also, basing my thinking on how I recall the game working--I haven't played it in a while, but there being eggs is pretty consistant.

I'm not bad, but I can't speak for llama. I honestly have gone back and forth on him a few times.

thellama73 wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Yup, it's lipsticklacey, boomslang, blooper, and one more. Not sure who yet. Guaranteed that those three are bad though.
What makes you say this? Besides Blooper today, everyone who's been of the poll could've been put there by the baddie or civvie remover.
Because my theory is that the baddies have obtained the egg we passed around at the beginning and are distributing it amongst themselves. I will say that Blooper is the one I most suspect though, based on her posting content. She's very under the radar this game, which experience teaches me means a bad Blooper.

I agree with this, about the egg, which is why I'm not fully confident about Made's role. I 'm not advocating to lynch him today, but I also don't trust him.

I want to hear why Lacey had been planning on voting FZ (she posted before the last lynch end that who she planned to vote for was off the poll--and she was the other person off the poll). I am fairly confident at this point that she's bad.

And I kind of keep forgetting that Blooper is playing, so I agree under the radar.

I don't know boomslang at all, so don't really have a read there.

FZ. wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:
FZ. wrote:I'm down with voting Made. If he flips bad, we know DF is his team mate.
Why is this?
I admit it, my vote was a complete bandwagon. I got really frustrated the last few days when I was begging people to listen to me, and they still lynched people who I thought were civvie. I also kind of lost interest in the game after all those bad lynches. So I decided I'm just going to follow someone else. llama's response to my accusation seemed more genuine than not, so I thought I'd test his theory that if Made comes out bad we know he's either a civ or a baddie bussing his team. He said it with such conviction, that I thought Made would come out bad.
It was a bad decision, but I don't care. This whole game is one decision after another.

I have now caught up and I think Made is indeed the yellow bird. Once again, I'd expect llama to be the first one to say that's the most likely scenario, and be all over Lorab for trying to come up with different theories.
I also forgot to say it last day when I said that I'm not ruling out the option that MP was killed because he said he would be killed. Who would do that just for laughs? llama. At least that's how I'm seeing it.

That is a really good point about llama.

I think Made wants us to think he is Chuck.

I think that making that assumption is dangerous, and ignores the Golden Eggs that we know are in play.

Makes more sense for a mafia member, who knew they had teammates to defend them, than for a civ. Especially if you knew you'd survive. Which I assume is the case.

Russtifinko wrote:Also, I'm curious about why Made isn't around. He could've died. I would think he was the lynch stop civ, but if he didn't check into the thread during the Day phase, I dunno how he'd have used it. So many people were suspicious of him, I don't see anyone else saving him.

Civs don't have a lynch stop, but there is a role that survives the first lynch attempt.

His surviving gives me pause. However, I'm not entirely convinced. He was on the site last night, and I can't see a reason that someone would be on here and not post, when they saw their name was being mentioned. Especially a civ. Even if they knew they would survive, someone who has a lot of suspicion is likely to at least post some sort of defense/alternative. A baddie might just leave it to their teammates to do for them. If not the civ role, then perhaps he had a golden egg?

linkitis: @Made: Do you want to offer any sort of defense to anything that's been said about you?

Ugh. I had a whole vote post written and that was the moment my computer decided to freeze.

In short: voting Made.

I think he's hiding beside the whole Ice Bear third person thing.

He hasn't posted since Monday, even though his user page said he was on Syndicate last night.

His posts don't seem civ, especially with going after several civs.

lipsticklacey wrote:I've got a IRL game night happening at my house in an hour, so I'm doing what's probably the equivalent of a drive by vote.

After briefly catching up, I think good points have been made on both sides about Made, Llama, and Elo... so far, I think the case is strongest for Elo. Was going with someone else, but they aren't on the poll.

Have a good evening, folks; I'll check in in a few hours.

Why do you suspect FZ? (I'm asssuming you weren't going for yourself).

Russtifinko wrote:
LoRab wrote:@Russ:

So, what you're saying is, MP, who posited that I am suspish mainly because of my unsureness about Elo, may be right about me. And you are also unsure of Elo. I'm a bit confused on your logic.

As I said earlier, I agree with suspicion of Made.

Would not be opposed to a Lacey lynch.

And still need to reread Elo.

And, looking at numbers, if another civ is lynched, let's all note that a civ lynch becomes virtually impossible. I'd encourage us all to take note of that. We really need to get a baddie this time around.
Not sure why the logic is weird. The idea is that Elo might be bad, and that you're being intentionally waffly on her because you're her teammate. I happen to have written that I was suspicious of you yesterday, for entirely different reasons. That's why I'd lean more toward lynching you than Elo right now.

And yes, we know you're suspicious of Lacey. However, your logic on lynching civs is impossible. If we lynch a civ, civ lynch is in fact by far the most likely scenario (100% probability). Not sure what you're shooting for, here.

I'm not intentionally waffly on her, for what it's worth. I happen to not have a solid opinion. I feel much more sure about other players.

Why are your separate reasons for suspicion of me?

I assure you they are wrong, because I know I am civ. :lobab: but please tell me so I can defend. I haven't really been given anything I can defend against. And I know I'm not bad.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Are there 11 people alive? The dead list hasn't been updated, and there are 9 on the poll.
I believe two players have been removed from the poll, Boomslang and FZ being the candidates.

Interesting note, Boomslang has been removed two days in a row.

Linki: Isn't Gale an LMS?

Gale is Last Bird Standing. Doesn't say anything about te piggies. And her role seems quite anti-pig.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
LoRab wrote:Sory...tired typing. The numbers are really close If there is another civ lynch, a civ win is near impossible. It is imperitive to lynch a piggie this round. if civs want to win I'd like it if we could all really discuss that before voting to be sure. And we have yet to see a bad piggie.
Not true. One mafia lynch will give the nightkill to Gale, who has the oppurtunity to nightkill mafia if she picks correctly. That's two mafia down in one day/night cycle with no civs lost.

But your sense of urgency is not unwarranted.

Glale could go with the mafia or go with the civs. Depends on how she wants to play the game. Regardless, there's an urgency.

Sory...tired typing. The numbers are really close If there is another civ lynch, a civ win is near impossible. It is imperitive to lynch a piggie this round. if civs want to win I'd like it if we could all really discuss that before voting to be sure. And we have yet to see a bad piggie.

My piggie suspects are:
Made
Splints
Lacey
In any order
as the 3 I'm fairly confident about.
Not sure about the 4th/ if I'm wrong on one. Eloh? Maybe? But I feel more about those 3. I'd go in tht direction if we want to lynch a piggie.

@Russ:

So, what you're saying is, MP, who posited that I am suspish mainly because of my unsureness about Elo, may be right about me. And you are also unsure of Elo. I'm a bit confused on your logic.

As I said earlier, I agree with suspicion of Made.

Would not be opposed to a Lacey lynch.

And still need to reread Elo.

And, looking at numbers, if another civ is lynched, let's all note that a civ lynch becomes virtually impossible. I'd encourage us all to take note of that. We really need to get a baddie this time around.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
FZ. wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
FZ. wrote: I can't really say I'm surprised. I believe we've lost 4 civvies already. And once again, the reason for voting TB sucked. I'm suspicious of everyone who voted for her. Heck, I'm suspicious of everyone.
I know the feel... many players, myself included, have been acting objectively suspiciously this game.

I'm very sad about the result, but I do think D3 gave us some valuable information.

Do you want to talk out some suspicions? It's possible one of us will die tonight, seeing as though we're the most talkative players left.
Sure, let's talk. What valuable information do you think it gave us?

MM, why do you think it makes llama look better?
It told us that Made is bad.

Look at this here. During the game, Made was one of only two players to say TinyBubbles was civilian. Yet he jumped on the wagon yesterday despite elaborating thoroughly that he heavily suspects me and you.

I also find it noteworthy that Made said one of either Elo or boo has to be bad. boo died N2. But has Made said anything else about Elo? Conveniently, no, especially when Elo very well could have died yesterday during D3.

Then think of the fact that LoRab kept making statements during yesterday's lynch about how she had no idea about Elo, and consider that LoRab was really quick to turn on Lacey earlier when I mentioned I strongly thought Lacey was bad. Has LoRab pursued those thoughts any further, despite the fact that her exception expired during D3? No.

Yes, we may have lynched TinyBubbles thanks to my push that way, but we also uncovered contradictory intentions from Made and LoRab. I also firmly believe that TinyBubbles was sacrificed to save Elo, and that Elo's behavior has had the classic mafia element of overexplanation. Her behavior has been the very definition of opportunistic, yet the mafia took advantage of the fact that TinyBubbles kept being compared to Elo by me.

I feel very strongly that Elo is mafia; by extension, Made and LoRab are also incredibly likely teammates.

Good point about Made. And someone said something about the exactly 4 baddies comment. Plus, speaking about Ice Bear in the third person I think could be an attempt to draw attention away from actual post content. I was thinking of that earlier today, but you beat me to the punch in posting.

I have mentioned suspects again. I've been sick, spent very few hours awake yesterday, and had a fever for much of that time, so I haven't posted much at all. I stand by my suspicion of Lacey, as well as that of Elo. I still don't know about Elo--she's not a player I know well enough to read well, and have mixed feelings about the points brought up about her by others. I don't think she's obviously bad, and so I'm not sure where you're suspicion of me is coming from. I still thnk Splints is bad and want to look at the TB voters.

FZ. wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Hmmm, I see there are only 5 votes left to be cast.

FZ., if we were to assume Elo were civvie, just for the sake of argument, where else could you have seen your vote going?

Also, as a more general question, why did everyone seem to get LESS suspicious of me when I stopped talking? I mean, I'll take it, it just seems weird.
First of all, Fingersplints latest posts come off as more genuine. Her first day pinge was mostly because one post which when she replied to back then, didn't do anything to change my mind. The second day, it was between llama and Daisy for me, but then when forced to put my gut to the test by MP's game, I decided I wasn't ready to vote for neither of them, so I went back to Splints. It wasn't a good vote, but it was 3 am for me, and I was all over the place with confusion. So based on the last day and the fact that many people were saying she was bad, yet none of those people are dead, I'd say I'm feeling a lot better about her.

If Eloh is civ, she's playing one crappy civ game, no offence. So my vote is on her. I am very interested in hearing llama, because he's one I don't trust at the moment, though with circumstances being the way they are, I can see him doing what he did as a civ.
Lorab's actions have bothered me this day. It feels like she's not genuine. So maybe my vote would go there.

And I can't answer for others, but for me, I can't see you being such a lazy mafia. I guess I expect more from you either way, but when others depend on you for their win, I can't see you not being here that much.

Sorry I've bothered you. I disagree with you--if that makes me come across as not genuine, then I can't really do anything about that. I disagree with you on how baddies think in terms of Boo as a target. And I don't see the same things as you in people's posts as you do. I'm not sure when seeing things differently than another player became their being suspicious. I also realize that I'm cranky, so I'm trying not to let that color my reaction.

But, eye me all you want. I have nothing to hide. I'm civ.

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Russtifinko wrote:Sorry for the Wall O' Text, there.

LoRab, if fingers and/or Tiny were to flip good, would you then be after Lacey? I'm reading her as your #3 suspect right now.

The 3 of them keep flipping back and forth in terms of who I suspect most. The results of this lynch will certainly inform future fotes. I'm still up in the air entirely with Eloh.

linkitis: I really don't think MP is bad.

FZ. wrote:
LoRab wrote:It's not about low posters. It's about what the posts that are there do say.

As for killing Boo, baddies kill for all sorts of different reasons--some baddies don't kill people who have named them on purpose--exactly for the purpose of folks figuring out suspicion based on that. So your whole point of why you don't think she is supicious because Boo was killed doesn't hold true.
Nah, I don't buy that. I think that a lot of people talked about Splints and I get not killing me who was very vocal about her, but most people just said in MP's game, they thought she was mafia, but didn't really have reasons. Also, it's not like others voted for her other then Ninja, Lipstick and I. In addition, Boo didn't defend her. He just didn't talk about her. It's not your regular "let's not kill the person who called you mafia so they won't be on to you".

Whatever. I'm tired. This game has had one of the worst lynches I've seen on the first day, and bandwagoning in all the other lynches (including today). I think people's reasoning for voting sucks, but that's just me.

You don't buy that? bullshit. Baddies kill for all sorts of reasons. Not just the ones that you would go for. I have seen baddie teams kill someone who hasn't mentioned anyone on the team for the sake of them not having mentioned anoyone on the team. Why deny that such is possible?

Disagree with me? Fine. But that doesn't mean that I'm wrong. Doesn't mean I'm right either. But I don't need to fit my thinking with your theories. Because I've seen things happen differently. Unless, of course, you know what the baddies are thinking...

It's not about low posters. It's about what the posts that are there do say.

As for killing Boo, baddies kill for all sorts of different reasons--some baddies don't kill people who have named them on purpose--exactly for the purpose of folks figuring out suspicion based on that. So your whole point of why you don't think she is supicious because Boo was killed doesn't hold true.

FZ. wrote:
LoRab wrote:Voting now so I don't forget to vote. Going with Splints. Seems like likely mafia. And I'm guessing TB driveby voted her for the sake of separation. I think they're both bad, at the moment.
So much for reading my post

I read your post. Doesn't mean I agreed with everything you said.

Voting now so I don't forget to vote. Going with Splints. Seems like likely mafia. And I'm guessing TB driveby voted her for the sake of separation. I think they're both bad, at the moment.

Hopping in to say hi. In the midst of a summer cold, which is no fun at all. And awake moments are ability to think are both fairly low right now. Not sure where my vote will go. Splints is possible--other than agreeing on MM and then saying she wasn't being blendy, she hasn't said much. Which sounds more like baddie splints than civie splints. Tiny Bubbles seems like an easy set up because of the drive by votes, but also that is suspicious--and folks have made a good point about non-participation. Elo, I have no idea--need to try to reread her posts. Lacey, still unsure about. She's pinged me, for sure, but it could just be newness.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Elohcin - her vote at the end, and the later reasoning to follow.
fingersplints - her Day 1 vote
LoRab - her defence of lacey for being new (though I guess they are friends)
Russtifinko - I don't really know why.
llama - everything

I would also like to hear yours MP.
fingersplints - D1 vote, general lack of posting
LoRab - the defense of Lacey, then agreeing with me on Lacey possibly being mafia when she had no previous inclination, yet reluctant to vote for her
nijuu - I no longer have a GTH mafia read on Blooper
Russ - I can't remember a single opinion he has had yet
Llama - His TinyBubbles suspicion was incredibly weak and struck me as forced/insincere and he could have been saved today
TinyBubbles - DRIVE-BY VOTE, nuff said

I'm not bad, but eye me all you want.

But seriously...yours is the same eplanation that others have parrotted, so I'm going with yours.

I discouraged a lacey lynch day 1/2 to let her have her footing. Because she's a personal friend and she's new. It was only during yesterday that I started becoming suspicious of her--you happened to mention it before I did. She's been playing the newbie card a lot, and some of her questions seem as if they are overly trying to sound civ-friendly.

I'd rather lynch Splints first--I think she's more likely bad. But Lacey no longer has a pass. I'm confident that she likes the game and will return.

Sorry I missed the gam!! And the vote!!! Totally fell I saskeep in fr My of the laptop. Would u have privavbly cited splints, based on the thr ad.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
LoRab wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:On a completely different note, I think Lacey may be mafia. She is really playing that newbie card hard.
I agree with that statement. Not ready to lynch her today (I have an overly developed sense of personal guilt), but I am thinking in that direction, as well.
Why not? You gave her D1 at least.

Because I feel like a brand new player needs 3 games, before they realize they love the game and will come back for more. And to also get a grasp. She's one of my closest friends. I have no problem killing her when the time comes, I just need to , personally, give her another day beofre I feel ethically good about doing so.

MovingPictures07 wrote:On a completely different note, I think Lacey may be mafia. She is really playing that newbie card hard.

I agree with that statement. Not ready to lynch her today (I have an overly developed sense of personal guilt), but I am thinking in that direction, as well.

Could also just ask:

@Hosts: On a baddie team, who holds the kill?

Of course they woulnd't put all their powers in one place. But do we know that anything other than the kill and the taking someone off he poll didn't go through? I feel like I'm missing something, or have jumped a few thoughts ahead of conclusions.

We know the kill didn't succeed.

We know there was no one taken off the poll.

Do we know anything else about the baddie powers?

If not, why not assume that a block could have happened to the player that had both of those (as opposed to the kill and another power that the baddies hold)?

Do baddie kills work differently here tha what I'm used to? Who usually holds the kills?

Honesly, no idea whom I find most suspicious.

FZ. wrote:I agree with Boo as well. Lorab, a baddie team would be foolish to put all the eggs in one basket just in case that person got blocked, so I think it's a lot more likely that they spread their powers.

First off, we can't know what the baddies chose to do, even if it wasn't good strategy. Baddies don't always do what is the "best" choice. Also, if someone on the baddie team has to be chosen to make the kill, which is a frequent set up, then it's not all the eggs in a basket, it's making the choice of which basket to put them in. Regardless, someone can be blocked. Which is why in most games I've played, there is an individual on the baddie team that holds the kill--and usually, in my experience, when that isn't specified as a role, the team chooses who carries out the kill. Are you intentionally missing my point? Or is that not the case on this site (which I find hard to believe).

boo wrote:
LoRab wrote:Hmmm....I've never known Llama to not pay attention. So, that doesn't hold true to me. But he's not screaming out evil to me either. Gah. I don't like votes early in the game.

Also, I don't think it's obvious that it was the eagle. There are enough factors that it could have been any number of things that caused there to be no kill and no one off the poll.
The only other possible factors are that the baddies missed multiple PMs, or one of them sent everything in and got RBed and it blocked both powers that would have had a visible result.

Do we know who holds the baddie kill? I know in many games, the team gets to choose who carries out the kill. What if the person chosen by the team also had the taking off the poll...Did I miss a clarification on that?

Hmmm....I've never known Llama to not pay attention. So, that doesn't hold true to me. But he's not screaming out evil to me either. Gah. I don't like votes early in the game.

Also, I don't think it's obvious that it was the eagle. There are enough factors that it could have been any number of things that caused there to be no kill and no one off the poll.

I have no knowledge of Lacey's role.

My post about her was because we were both mentioned. And I feel protective of her because she's an RL friend and I convinced her to play--and would feel bad if she had been lynched for being late to the game, so to speak.

Yay no death!!

boo wrote:
LoRab wrote:Not following how we'd prevent them from using other civ powers later on.

And I'm not sure how it would become a recruitment? That seems like an entirely different power than getting BTSC. The real question, to me, is if it would be temporary BTSC with that bird or permanent, just for the day--or the rest of the game?

If just for the day, they basically get a role check of 1 role, if the person they pick is, in fact a blue bird--and it's a relatively vanilla civ role. I do think BTSC is underrated as a power, but the role is really potential BTSC, not definite BTSC. And since the piggies want to kill everyone else, it's not necessarily even a good kill choice for them.

Also, by picking that person, they already know their role (because they found a blue bird), so if it's only temporary BTSC, then the bird shouldn't use it regardless and it's moot if it's sock or not.

I guess it also matters how the wording happens when a bluebird is informed that they've been found. If I were a bluebird, I'd be wary of entering any BTSC that started after this night, at least initially.

If it's permanent, then that's a much scarier scenario.

Am I making any sense?
And I didn't miss this post, I'm just not sure how I want to respond, because I'm not sure if I trust you or not. But yes, it makes sense.

Glad it makes sense. I'm never sure. And I wouldn't expect you to trust me. I mean, it's early game--trusting anyone is a dangerous proposition.

Not following how we'd prevent them from using other civ powers later on.

And I'm not sure how it would become a recruitment? That seems like an entirely different power than getting BTSC. The real question, to me, is if it would be temporary BTSC with that bird or permanent, just for the day--or the rest of the game?

If just for the day, they basically get a role check of 1 role, if the person they pick is, in fact a blue bird--and it's a relatively vanilla civ role. I do think BTSC is underrated as a power, but the role is really potential BTSC, not definite BTSC. And since the piggies want to kill everyone else, it's not necessarily even a good kill choice for them.

Also, by picking that person, they already know their role (because they found a blue bird), so if it's only temporary BTSC, then the bird shouldn't use it regardless and it's moot if it's sock or not.

I guess it also matters how the wording happens when a bluebird is informed that they've been found. If I were a bluebird, I'd be wary of entering any BTSC that started after this night, at least initially.

If it's permanent, then that's a much scarier scenario.

Am I making any sense?

voted Scotty. Weak suspicion, but day 1. I thought by pointing out Lacey and I, he was seriously trying to point figures in any direction other than his. Which doesn't seem like a civ tactic. And he knows from the last game that I have quiet days because of life, so...doesn't seem so authentic to point in my direction because I hadn't posted during this RL day. And voting now because I'm exhausted and starting to fall asleep.

Scotty wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Made wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I'm going to have to vote in a couple of hours, and I intend to vote Scotty. No solid reason, just pure hunch. I don't feel good about him.

Discuss.
Scotty seems to enjoy extrapolating which either means he's bad and want to seem present or he enjoy extrapolating, something ice bear enjoys from time to time. Ice bear would much rather advocate a Marmot lynch at this point.
I cannot support this course of action. That would result in the votes being spread (potentially).
Well, since the vote is already spread, I will vote scotty as well. It's fun to tie things up b/c tie breakers give info
I think your idea of fun is different than mine.

I just don't see the same thing as others on Russ still.
And I don't like your definition of fun. At least llama had some sort of guy reason.

Are you saying there could be merit to my reasoning that you could be a bad bird, Elo?

I would prefer not to have to do a retaliation vote on the next highest vote-getter, but it's heading that way, Jim.

Anybody else down for voting for Lipsticklacey? Or LoRab? She hasn't been here today.

I texted her to remind her the game is on.

linkitis: Oh, hey! She's posted now. Reminder worked.

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