The Syndicate

I still want to play your gunslinger game!!!

And 3J--thanks for the protection!!

Quin wrote:
LoRab wrote:Wow. We won. I seriously didn't know how this game would end. I was admittedly frustrated with my role because I had no way of knowing if it worked, or if I was blocked, so there was a lot of assuming going on. I also made some assumptions that I should have asked about early on. Like not realizing that my protection got used up as soon as someone had a vote at all. Not that it would have mattered long run. I also realize now I never asked if I could have given someone more than one protection at a time to store up. But, in the end, I used my role well.

Anyway. Well played all. Quin. Wow. You're a total FEB. well done. You had me guessing to the end and I really read you as civ. Dom, I am sorry, but you read bad. And quin playing a squeaky clean game didn't help. You fought valiently.

The tie was for a few reasons. One was to buy more time. The other was that it was a test of sorts. If quin had been one of the roles I could protect, dom would have been lynched. I was hoping no one Alive was railroad dude. I didn't take having been blocked into account (gman pointed that out after the fact).

Good game. Much fun.
What does FEB actually stand for? I've been wondering for ages but couldn't be bothered asking :P

And GG LoRab, given how it went down you were definitely the MVP of this game!!

And thanks. (meant to say that earlier)

Dom wrote:
LoRab wrote:Fucking Evil Bastard or Fucking Evil Bitch, as is appropriate for gender.

It is a term of endearment. Sort of.

This is the FEB smiley:

Long con designed it, on my suggestion. I like to say I commissioned it. It was designed after diamond dog, who hasn't played in a really long time.

/mafia history lesson
I miss DD. Get him to come back. Make Mafia Great Again!

I miss him, too. Haven't talked to him in a while. And have tried to get him to come back a few times. Will try again.

Fucking Evil Bastard or Fucking Evil Bitch, as is appropriate for gender.

It is a term of endearment. Sort of.

This is the FEB smiley:

Long con designed it, on my suggestion. I like to say I commissioned it. It was designed after diamond dog, who hasn't played in a really long time.

/mafia history lesson

Wow. We won. I seriously didn't know how this game would end. I was admittedly frustrated with my role because I had no way of knowing if it worked, or if I was blocked, so there was a lot of assuming going on. I also made some assumptions that I should have asked about early on. Like not realizing that my protection got used up as soon as someone had a vote at all. Not that it would have mattered long run. I also realize now I never asked if I could have given someone more than one protection at a time to store up. But, in the end, I used my role well.

Anyway. Well played all. Quin. Wow. You're a total FEB. well done. You had me guessing to the end and I really read you as civ. Dom, I am sorry, but you read bad. And quin playing a squeaky clean game didn't help. You fought valiently.

The tie was for a few reasons. One was to buy more time. The other was that it was a test of sorts. If quin had been one of the roles I could protect, dom would have been lynched. I was hoping no one Alive was railroad dude. I didn't take having been blocked into account (gman pointed that out after the fact).

Good game. Much fun.

For what it's worth, if I'm still alive at the end of this night, I'm really not sure where to vote. I'm also curious:

@GMan: If there are 2 people left in the game, will a tied lynch still end in no lynch?

Sorry, Dom. Truly.

That the game is not over means there is still a chance we can win, though. I somehow doubt I'll live the night.

I'll ask again--can you link to a civ game in which you have shown this same tone. Or a bad game in which you have not shown this tone.

Or at least mention which games those might be.

Dom wrote:i am attributing the behavior you are sighting to feeling antagonized and not alignment. I think reading World Reborn, Star Wars, and Arkham will show you plenty of what I might call antagonization.

The behavior I am remembering is evident in any game in which you were a baddie over the past almost a decade in which we've been playing together. And it is evident not just in those 3, but in all the games you cited earlier.

I don't remember that tone in your civ games.

Different kind of odds.

And if you're civ, I'm sorry.

But you also haven't shown evidence of a civ game where you were falsely accused and showed the same pattern of emotionally driven trapped defense, and the increased paranoia, that you've shown as a tone in the games that you posted where you were bad.

i'm 88%.

Are you threatening to leave this site for good if you're lynched? Really? Why?

Dom wrote:I have been on the defensive since Day 6. I have done my best. It has sucked. I don't know what you want from me. I don't agree with or see Lorab's assessment of my play in any capacity.

Show a civ game where you responded to every time your name was mentioned with the same level of emotional panic.

Show a baddie game where you responded more calmly to your name being mentioned.

The fact is in this game, as is your baddie MO, every time your name was mentioned (bad or good), it made your fur stand up, and it put you on the defensive.

I've doubted myself on you this game, because I don't read you as well as I used to. But you're bad, dude. I should have listened to those pings I had early on. Or listened to what it said when you first completely ignored and then totally freaked out that i had pings.

And also the fact that you accuse anyone who says anything about you that they are lying. Not that they are interpreting things incorrectly, or misremembering, or whatever--but that they are lying (and are bad).

The more I think about it, the more I'm feeling confident that you're the final baddie.

I can't think of baddie games of Dom's off hand, but that's the impression that I have from years of playing with him, that he gets more trapped and emotional sounding when he's bad and suspected than when he's good and suspected. It's not scientific, but it's my overall sense of him.

And those are additional reasons to believe that Quin is more likely good.

Put vote on Dom for now

Sloonei wrote:LoRab, why are you leaning toward Dom? This day and the game depend on the two of us coming to an agreement. Let's put our heads together.

Tone, mostly. He's posting like a trapped rabid animal, which I associate with his baddie game. It's connected to the paranoia which pinged me earlier.

What gives me hesitation is that I don't know Quin's game that well, and it scares me that he seems so sure of himself for whta doesn't seem like a rock solid case to me. But, that said, I associate stuboornness like that with civs more than baddies. Baddies don't generally want to stand out like that and stick to a case that doesn't make solid sense to others. They don't necessarily want their vote to be the outlier. He's voted Dom for how many days now?

Sloonei wrote:I put my vote on Quin.

Really? Because I was leaning the other way. Shit, man.

Quin: In a few sentences: What originally made you completely convinced that Dom was bad?

Dom: In a few sentences: What originally made you completely convinced that Quin was bad?

RIP INH. I honestly did not expect that. And am not sure which of the folks still alive would have done that. I honestly half expected to come back to the game to find myself dead.

Quin wrote:LoRab, when I asked your reasoning for tying the vote, you said this:

LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:LoRab, what are these reasons? Please change your vote.
I can't explain right now. Please trust me. Unless you're bad.
Moving your vote off Dom means you're hesitating on suspecting Dom. Asking me to trust you infers that you're also hesitant to suspect me. I'm left to believe that you tied the vote because you think we're both bad lynches. Am I correct? What are your thoughts on both Sloonei and INH?

It's more that I had enough hesitation about both of you that I wasn't sure enough about either of you and had enough doubt that I wanted more time to consider. I assume INH is Silvertongue. At this point, I believe Sloonei is civ. In my mind, it's between you and Dom.

Mafia: The game where you get to make great friends--and kill them, too!

Quin wrote:LoRab, what are these reasons? Please change your vote.

I can't explain right now. Please trust me. Unless you're bad.

I will probably regret that decision, but I just tied things up for reasons that make sense in my head.

then why bring it up as an example?

Ugh. Dom, you're killing me here. I almost want to tie this up, but that still gives the baddies an advantage with no lynch.

Yes, World Reborn, you totally pretty much outed yourself, and you weren't civ.

Role hinting? I don't buy it. Sorry, Dom. You almost had me convinced. But that feels more desperate baddie than desperate civ than I expect from you.

Dom wrote:
LoRab wrote:No....not mentioning 1 thing from a player...but saying I suspect so and so and think they are bad level suspicion.
#1) You asked for "even a ping". You seem to be moving the goal post here tbh.

#2) I did do that with INH.

I meant the ping from them, not from you. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

And ok. Thanks. I had been trying to think of others, and could only remember people that you switcherooed. Myself included.

No....not mentioning 1 thing from a player...but saying I suspect so and so and think they are bad level suspicion.

Dom, other than MP, who allegedly buddied up to you, is there anyone in this game that you suspected, who didn't mention you as a suspect, or at least a ping, first?

Quin wrote:
LoRab wrote:You're assuming that the night target would have been the same with a different lynch result, first off. Which doesn't necessarily hold true. But forget the past.

For your numbers for the present, you're assuming a successful night kill, which won't necessarily happen.
The names he used don't really matter in the grand scheme of things, the ratio is more important. It's true that the night kill might not be successful, but I think Dom's just painting the worst case scenario.

But he's painting it as definitive reality. I think he's trying to paint the worst case as what will happen so that we panic.

Although, do you think that if we lynch him, the baddies almost surely win?

You're assuming that the night target would have been the same with a different lynch result, first off. Which doesn't necessarily hold true. But forget the past.

For your numbers for the present, you're assuming a successful night kill, which won't necessarily happen.

Here's why my vote is staying on Dom (at least for the moment):

He keeps making these claims of how if he were lynched, now or even instead of Glorf or Epi, the game would be/would have been over. Mathematically, that just isn't true now, and certainly wasn't true earlier. I really think he's trying to get us to panic.

Sloonei wrote:If LoRab is scum she is both my hero and my nemesis for life.

I am not bad in this game. I do, however, miss having a nemesis--I may have to open up applications for the position.

Quin wrote:What's your perspective on Dom's case on me, LoRab?

I think it's a valid point that you insisted on a gut/read based Dom vote when there were solid evidence based cases against both Epi and Glorf.

Does that make you bad? No. I'm often stubborn and sometimes vote outliers because I believe in my cases. But it makes me wonder.

I'm so torn on this lynch and I'm pretty sure that either Quin or Dom is bad.

I feel like friggin Wisconsin.

Quin wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:I have also been voting for you since before it would have won us the game.
Wait...what....
I wrote that full post from the perspective that I was bad for Dom to comment on. It's not a scum slip.

I am not sure that makes sense.

Quin wrote:I have also been voting for you since before it would have won us the game.

Wait...what....

Dom, can you summarize why you think Quin is bad?

Sloonei wrote:Nothing interesting is happening now that I'm awake. I hope you all have a busy and productive EoD and end this thing with a town win. I won't be here to help.

Are you planning on moving your vote so we end this this day period with a lynch?

I'm 85%.

My main suspicion of you has been that I have seen you take the thread and twist it to fit suspicions that don't make sense to me and work them towards votes. That they were towards me in one lynch as colored my view, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt. But, that said, I was also a counter lynch to a confirmed mafia, so it's also relevant. That said, at this moment, I don't think you're bad.

And Quin has read civ to me throughout the game. I'd be somewhat surprised to find Quin to be Mafia, although i don't rule it out of the realm of possibility.

At this moment, I see Dom as the most likely baddie

linkitis: That post was in response to her post in response to one of my accusations about how she was playing her role. I wanted to make it clear that it wasn't personal. I have deep respect for her as a person. But, well, she was evil in this game, so yeah.

@Dom: That's making a lot of assumptions about successful lynches and night kills.

Dom wrote:....If you lynch me the game is over because the baddies have won. There will be no recourse unless the protector is still out there and can correctly protect someone tonight. Hear me out.

That math doesn't work.

*to kill her

Dom wrote:
Quin wrote:
Dom wrote:Did I systematically kill all of my suspects until now and then decide, nah, I'll kill my biggest supporter [read one of few people showing open mindedness about my status].
You've strongly suspected everyone still alive at one point or another. I'm not sure what your point is. I think you killed the confirmed civilian, not your biggest supporter.
And why would I do that?
We basically got 2. I understand why a baddie would kill the one whose vote matters, but why would I, as a baddie, kill Jay?

Sloonei wrote: This doesn't answer the question in any way that is useful. AGain, why is Epi fully responsible for knowing who he's voting for the second his top suspect dies but you are not?
"In a way that is useful." I'd like to know what that means, Dom. If you're still reading this massive wall of text. Maybe I should mention in BIG COLORFUL LETTERS that I am asking you a question, Dom! And I'd like an answer, if you're capable. What were you hoping to get out of me here? On the one hand it seems you're just antagonizing me and trying to prove a point about my treatment of Epi ("why is Epi fully responsible..."), but in the previous sentence you suggest you are looking for specific game-relevant information out of me. Which is it? What was your motivation here?

After this, Dom goes on a mini crusade where he starts demanding I answer his question, but I am still unclear on why this was such a huge deal or what was unsatisfactory about my many responses. When I pointed out to him that "who are you gonna vote for" is just a routine question I ask people in this game, he swats it away by saying the context is different, and continues to go about demanding something out of me that is equal parts unclear and unfair. At the time I thought Dom was just flustered, but in retrospect he looks to simply be aggressively opposed to and stubbornly refusing anything that can be said against him. And I don't think that's a good look. I'm still not familiar with what past-scum Dom looks like, but I have seen plenty of scum performances that look like this from other players.

For the sake of cutting this post off and getting some thoughts into the thread, I'll leave it at this. If you don't feel like reading everything I just typed (and you certainly don't have to), my conclusion is this: Day 6 Dom looks like an over-defensive baddie who was unwilling to engage honestly with both Quin and myself. I left out his later accusations against Quin, but I think we're all familiar with them by now. My hope with this post was that I could gain a more neutral perspective of Quin and Dom, but I just came out of it feeling more strongly that Dom is bad and, therefore, Quin is good. I'm putting my vote on Dom, but this decision is by no means final.

Sloonei, I have played a terrible game. I will admit to it. I have made plenty of mistakes. I have let out of game frustrations aggrevate me in this game. I have been wrong about just about everyone. I look bad. I know it.
But I'm not.

I really thought we settled these questions, but I'll go through this once more.

I kept pushing this because I didn't trust you at the time. I thought you might be trying to get Epig lynched because you saw low participation-- easy lynch. I was very wrong. I've been very wrong more than I've been very right in this game. I wanted to see if you could provide the same information Epig was providing you. You did not, in my opinion, do that. We have since agreed that there was some sort of misunderstanding.

Does that answer your question?

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Dom wrote:Did I systematically kill all of my suspects until now and then decide, nah, I'll kill my biggest supporter [read one of few people showing open mindedness about my status].
You've strongly suspected everyone still alive at one point or another. I'm not sure what your point is. I think you killed the confirmed civilian, not your biggest supporter.
What compelled you to feel more strongly about your suspicion of Dom yesterday than the case against Epi and his concession?
I'll elaborate on this post:

Quin wrote:That's the thing. I'm not arguing against your case. I'm arguing that mine is stronger. I don't know what his civilian motivation for this is, but I also don't know what his mafia motivation is. We may very well be discussing both baddies, but we only have one chance and I'm pushing for the stronger case.
Aside from the concession, the most suspicious things I found in Epi's posts were the teammate interactions he had with Dom. My Dom case is significantly more tangible. In respect to Epi's concession, I had my doubts as to his motivation. Firstly, I don't understand the motivation for either a civilian or mafia to throw the game at Lylo, because in either situation he's screwing over his teammates. Secondly, I didn't have Epi pegged as the kind of guy that would throw the game after being suspected. So when he did, I was confused. And that doubt kept me on Dom. If I'd known he was going through what he is it might have affected how I felt about his concession, but that's in hindsight.

Aside from him admitting he is bad???????
Like?????

Sloonei wrote:I noticed in one of the posts you pointed out that zebra had, at one point, placed Dom at the very top of her rainbow. Is this something that you necessarily find suspicious? That's a pretty strong connection for zebra to create if they're both bad.

Perhaps Zebra was buddying me. I think Zebra does not like how I helped lynch her in Star Wars and might do that. I don't know.

Sloonei wrote:Dom, your general thoughts would also be great right now. You've expressed some doubt that Quin is the last scum. If not him, then who is it? What are your thoughts on each of us right now?

At this point, if it's not him, it HAS to be you, but I don't see HOW it's you either.
So it HAS to be Quinn.

LoRab wrote:
Sloonei wrote:You're a strong town read and have been for a long time. If that was a lie, it's not one worth telling.
You mention wanting to read me an awful lot for someone who thought of me as strong town for a long time, but I accept. It's the mafia paranoia talking. I've suspected you on and off this entire game, but the more I read your posts in retrospect, the more I think you are town.

On the other hand...

Dom wrote:Did I systematically kill all of my suspects until now and then decide, nah, I'll kill my biggest supporter [read one of few people showing open mindedness about my status].
Yes, yes I think you did. This is pure WIFOM. And you just earned my vote.

I'm asking you to analyze the Night Kills. Do you they make sense if I am bad? I don't think they do. Continually undercutting my own arguments and setting myself up for the position I'm currently in where everyone thinks I'm bad? Killing SVS and MP early on? Leaving YOU still alive at this point?

Is this really the baddie Dom you know, LoRab?[/quote]

SVS can read you--totally makes sense to kill you. I read you worth shit, so makes sense to keep me alive. Overall, WTF kills are good strategy. So, yeah. And, also, WIFOM.

Sloonei wrote:You're a strong town read and have been for a long time. If that was a lie, it's not one worth telling.

You mention wanting to read me an awful lot for someone who thought of me as strong town for a long time, but I accept. It's the mafia paranoia talking. I've suspected you on and off this entire game, but the more I read your posts in retrospect, the more I think you are town.

On the other hand...

Dom wrote:Did I systematically kill all of my suspects until now and then decide, nah, I'll kill my biggest supporter [read one of few people showing open mindedness about my status].

Yes, yes I think you did. This is pure WIFOM. And you just earned my vote.

Sloonei wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:What is preventing you from voting Epignosis or LoRab?
Like I've said the biggest town mark I give to Epi is his big theory about Eloh not having active BTSC partners. This lead me to Glorfindel and it might work in theory for either Dom or Quin (or LoRab). He is still a suspect himself, but that's a thing I give him credit for.

LoRab has been a town read all game long with the exception of that one little hiccup on Day 3. I owe her a closer look here on Day 9 though.

This is a blantant lie. You were the first one to mention suspicion of me on day 1 or 2 (can't remember which day but it was before day 3), and have mentioned suspicion of me on pretty much every day since then...until it was pretty much accepted that I was civ, when you toned down the suspicion and went with this message of, oh it was just a blip. To say that you haven't suspected me is just dishonest. Or misremembering. Trying to figure out which.

Sloonei wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:What is preventing you from voting Epignosis or LoRab?
Like I've said the biggest town mark I give to Epi is his big theory about Eloh not having active BTSC partners. This lead me to Glorfindel and it might work in theory for either Dom or Quin (or LoRab). He is still a suspect himself, but that's a thing I give him credit for.

LoRab has been a town read all game long with the exception of that one little hiccup on Day 3. I owe her a closer look here on Day 9 though.

I will avenge you JJJ.

I have started wondering if Quin/Dom is civ/civ misunderstanding and my suspicion of Sloonei has increased, tbh. Didn't want to mention it until night had ended. But, yeah.

juliets wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:
G-Man wrote:FYI- the night post may be late tonight. I am babysitting my niece and playing Mr. Mom for the baby on my own tonight while my sister and her husband have a date night and while my wife goes to a girls night. Me and two 1-year olds. Let that sink in and hopefully you'll understand what I'm up against.
You're outnumbered and outgunned there, G. Time to circle the wagons
Can I be real a second? For just a millisecond? We're all now singing Hamilton, right? Not just me?!
Yes! We are! Also, see the PBS special Hamilton's America - it's the backstory of the show with Lin-Manuel!

saw it. Loved it.

Glorfindel wrote:
G-Man wrote:FYI- the night post may be late tonight. I am babysitting my niece and playing Mr. Mom for the baby on my own tonight while my sister and her husband have a date night and while my wife goes to a girls night. Me and two 1-year olds. Let that sink in and hopefully you'll understand what I'm up against.
You're outnumbered and outgunned there, G. Time to circle the wagons

Can I be real a second? For just a millisecond? We're all now singing Hamilton, right? Not just me?!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
LoRab wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Sloonei wrote:How likely is it Quin is bad?
Likely enough that he should be critically assessed. Genuine as he may appear, his stubborn planting of his votes lately leaves him conveniently detached from two baddie lynches. I think it was close to an absurdity on Day 9 to call his case against Dom more conclusive than Epignosis conceding. He's going to have to answer to that.

It's also not ideal that Dom made it clear he felt he was being pursued as a game-ending mislynch but then wouldn't commit to calling Quin a baddie. For his premise to make sense, Quin must be a baddie. To be unsure is understandable, but the suspect pool is tiny now and that's the narrative he has pushed.
He has accused anyone who has named him throughout the game. He suspected me earlier in the game for having a vague suspicion of him. And others who named him, as well, I think (I know he suspected me, because personal--I believe he suspected others, as well). This is typical of him--I'm trying to think if this is particularly typical of him when he is bad. As I said earlier, his paranoia is something that pings my suspiciometer for him...that's along those lines....But I'm just not sure.

I'm so unsure on this final lynch.
Just to ensure I understand: are you referring to Quin or Dom in this post?

Sorry, referencing Dom.

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