The Syndicate

LoRab wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Chuck, I asked if you were talking to her this evening. That's what was getting to me. That she was talking to you and not me.

Ah. Mistook evening to mean 'this half phase'

I think this mistake may have been a lead cause in this...

Ermm... W/e.

So, yes. Night meaning game night is a good definition that people should probably go with.

I can only hope that more people assumed that definition than assumed a different definition. Or changed their vote once this was clarified.

I'm fairly confident that I won't be voted out this tribal. I mean, I'm never fully confident. But I believe that enough people know that I have the cause of the tribe as my cause. And that enough people see that there are others who are trying to divide this tribe, when what we need is unity.

DrWilgy wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Chuck, I asked if you were talking to her this evening. That's what was getting to me. That she was talking to you and not me.

Ah. Mistook evening to mean 'this half phase'

I think this mistake may have been a lead cause in this...

Ermm... W/e.

So, yes. Night meaning game night is a good definition that people should probably go with.

DrWilgy wrote:When I got into BTSC with Eloh right off the bat she told me her info and we answered e/o's questions.

She was seemed very honest and upfront. Her goal was to judge if I was an asset to the team, and I think w/o a doubt to discuss to better the team.

I don't think she'll be back tonight as remarked in btsc.

I agree with this assessment. But I also won't say that she said everything she knew in the first moment of BTSC. Like I did, and like in any conversation, she shared information as the conversation progressed.

And yes, she went to bed around the time that I got back after being at work tonight because of holiday celebratoriness.

Golden wrote:Lorab, elo... question... do you feel like you can trust each other if you are both here tomorrow?

Honestly? I'm not sure. When I left the house earlier, I'd have said yes. I felt really good about our conversation--which was why I opened up about the information I had and shared with her about the game mechanics which allowed me additional BTSC. I think sharing game secrets is a way that we establish trust in games. At least, that's how I play. We suss people out--when we start to trust them, we start to share things. I thought I could trust her.

When I got home and saw what she said about me in the thread while I was out at work (which I was open about the fact that I was going to be gone--both in the thread an in the chat with her), I'm not so sure.

I'm willing to give her limited trust, because I believe in extending the benefit of the doubt and the assumption of good will. And she hasn't been back to explain herself since I've been back (or at least not enough to respond--she was in the chat when I returned, but not long enough to say anything--and she appeared as present in thread when I got back for a bit, but I assume it was just a matter of the computer being on.

i'd like to hear from her before I make a judgement call, tbh.

And, if anyone is curious, here are the 2 things I said to Elo about Opt before revealing that we had BTSC the previous night:

"I definitely feel I want to protect and be true to Opt. It's my newbie nurture instinct."

"She seems great in the thread. I want BTSC with her next."

Again, Elo brought up Opt in our chat before I did, and I was responding to her comments. And, as I said, because our BTSC was based on a mechanic outside of the regular requests, I didn't want to initially reveal it, as it would reveal that mechanic.

After a bit more conversation about other matters, I said, "OK, as long as we're being honest...I also had BTSC with Opt yesterday."

I had not lied and said I did not have additional BTSC. I had not said I had not had BTSC with Opt. This was, not within a very long period of time.

Just to clarify what we're talking about, as Elo has described as being something that I don't think is accurate.

DrWilgy wrote:I'll be voting LoRab.

Per our interaction in the thread and Eloh's interaction with her.

Originally I had thought she having the tribe in mind and this made me waver my vote in spite of our interaction. I don't know if this is the case anymore.

I did and do have the tribe in mind. Always. That is why I didn't reveal all my cards to Elo in the first place. Because I don't trust anyone with all of my information in the first comments of a conversation--that just isn't in the best interest of the tribe.

And, see above about my conversation with Elo.

I'm still ok with my vote for you.

Elohcin wrote:And....I guess I can't call her saying she had BTSC with Opt a slip...that was wrong of me. She said...."If we're being honest....I had BTSC with Opt." But she still made it sounds like she hadn't had BTSC with her at first. And that concerns me that she was going to lie in the first place. I even called her on in in the BTSC.

This is disingenuous. After we had an initial conversation about Boom, I told you about my BTSC wiht her day 1. I never said I hadn't had BTSC with her--you probably assumed that. But I didn't say it. I never planned to lie about it, and I didn't lie about it.

Elohcin wrote:Scotty, I am voting Aquamarine. Don't mind Lorabs name on there as she is just the one who was put there by default. She can change hers when she votes.

I actually voted that last night. But, as a sign of good faith, I'll change my vote so you can have it.

DrWilgy wrote:@LoRab, other than me, who would you have me vote for?

Not sure. I'm wavering on a few folks, tbh.

Elohcin wrote:Lorab, baby, why aren't you talking to me too, hun?

Because it's a Jewish holiday and I was working?

Elohcin wrote:Sorry, INH....here you guys go.

I had BTSC with Boom Night 2. He lied to me saying he did not have BTSC with anyone else before me. He lied. He had BTSC with Opt. They had full game BTSC. Opt told me this NIght 2 in our BTSC. I trust Opt. She knew things about Bloom that he told me as well. Boom lied to me, so I voted for him over wilgy.

Right now, I have BTSC with Wilgy and Lorab. Lorab tried to be sneaky and ask me about Opt. I told her I really liked Opt. She seems great, trustworthy. Lorab said she thought she seemed great too and would try for BTSC with her next time. However, then she said later that she had BTSC with opt yesterday. Slip after an implied lie. She backpeddled a bit saying she wasn't trying to lie. She just didn't know if she wanted to share the info yet. SMH. And now, I find she is in BTSC this evening with chuck, but hasn't come back to talk to me. That's worrisome.

It's true, although you're the one that brought up Opt first. But, yes, I didn't reveal that I had had BTSC with her last night at first. Because I had that BTSC based on a mechanic that I didn't want to reveal at first, until I had established some trust with you. After some chatting, I felt good enough about you and your intentions in the game to reveal it, and so I did.

I don't think that mafia, or survivor, is a game where we're expected to put all of our cards out there for every player from the outset. Sometimes, we wait to assess a situation to see how we feel about someone before we reveal some of our secrets and knowledge. Which is exactly what I did. It took me all of a half hour maybe to do that assesment and share the information about having the BTSC with Opt.

And, yes, I have BTSC with you and with Chuck this night phase--I've been public about that this whole time. I've also been public about my schedule this weekend. I was at work from around 1 pm until I got home around a half hour ago. It's a work intensive (albeit fun) Jewish holiday. Check the internet to confirm that I'm telling the truth on that. Look at my facebook page or any of my social media to confirm that I was, indeed, working this entire afternoon and evening.

I withheld some of my knowledge at the beginning of our conversation. I fully admit that. And I fully admitted that to you in our chat. I exect everyone else to withold some knowledge at the beginning of the conversation--I have yet to have a chat in this game where the opening of the conversation is role reveals, for instance. But, no, I never lied. And I wasn't chatting with anyone behind your back in this cycle.

speedchuck wrote:As of this morning, I was at 8/10 hunger, and I am not poisoned.

There are probably better targets for fish?

Wait. Can someone eat more than 1 fish at a time?

insertnamehere wrote:Also, do you feel like this conversation is constructive?

Not particularly. It's just frustrating when it feels like one is being talked over. I just like being acknowledged--it's all I ask in life, really.

And it was really just real life frustration bleeding over into game.

insertnamehere wrote:

LoRab wrote:I actually had already given my input on this, not that long before you said something similar, but no one seemed to read it.

Here's what Lorab said:

LoRab wrote:And you each eat 1 of your fish. And give the other of your fish to someone else: Golden, DH, and Chuck makes the most sense. I believe Elo can feed herself--she's at least implied that in the thread. If I'm wrong, then she should get one of the fish instead of Chuck.

Here's what I said:

insertnamehere wrote:Who all's sick? Me, DH, Golden, Wilgy, and Elo?

Wilgy and I both got fish for ourselves, so we're good. I think it's a given that DH, Golden, and Elo should get the extra food due to their stat decrease, but that's just my thoughts. Open to anyone else's input.

I feel like these two posts are different enough in content to warrant them both needing to exist in the thread.

It was more that you didn't acknowledge that there had been another idea proposed. Or that I had spoken.

"I think it's a given," implies that everyone thinks that. I clearly had a slightly different opinion. And you didn't acknowledge the parts of it that were exactly the same.

DrWilgy wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Hmmm... I don't wanna betray SVS, but I'll do it for the tribe.

What? SVS is my friend. Why would she ever trust me again if I give her a Black Rock?

I'm submitting my rock change now.

I'm curious how you feel about your trust for SVS in the future since she gave you a black rock?

DrWilgy wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Wilgy - Bat to your head, who should get the votes tonight?

You don't need to put a bat to my head for that. It's easy that I will be voting LoRab tonight.

I'm not going to ask others to follow me in this vote, but I am still wishing to vote away antagonists. LoRab's concern was for the tribe, but the matter of how she handled asking me to read the thread was hostile. It actually motivated me to stop reading and do the opposite until Eloh asked, this I resumed my catch up and detail learning.

Simply put, that attitude toward one's own tribe does nothing but decrease motivation and hinder the team.

Linki - INH, I'm down for that unless someone states that thier food is lower than 5. I'll submit a PM now to give DH the fish unless otherwise noted by EoN.

Also, gotta say, voting me for one moment, in one post, of expressing frustration during what is the start of a really stressful weekend, I really don't think is fair, but I get that it angered you--and that you're voting me because you're pissed off, not because it's a rational decision. Just like my post wasn't really rational. I apologize for being harsh in that post. I am sorry if I came off as mean spirited. It was not my intention.

And I do apologize.

If your anger outweighs everything else I've done in the game in your mind, so be it. If that's the case, I can't really change your mind, and I won't try.

insertnamehere wrote:Who all's sick? Me, DH, Golden, Wilgy, and Elo?

Wilgy and I both got fish for ourselves, so we're good. I think it's a given that DH, Golden, and Elo should get the extra food due to their stat decrease, but that's just my thoughts. Open to anyone else's input.

I actually had already given my input on this, not that long before you said something similar, but no one seemed to read it.

LoRab wrote: And you each eat 1 of your fish. And give the other of your fish to someone else: Golden, DH, and Chuck makes the most sense. I believe Elo can feed herself--she's at least implied that in the thread. If I'm wrong, then she should get one of the fish instead of Chuck.

I believe Elo can feed herself. She can correct that assumption if I am wrong.

DrWilgy wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Wilgy - Bat to your head, who should get the votes tonight?

You don't need to put a bat to my head for that. It's easy that I will be voting LoRab tonight.

I'm not going to ask others to follow me in this vote, but I am still wishing to vote away antagonists. LoRab's concern was for the tribe, but the matter of how she handled asking me to read the thread was hostile. It actually motivated me to stop reading and do the opposite until Eloh asked, this I resumed my catch up and detail learning.

Simply put, that attitude toward one's own tribe does nothing but decrease motivation and hinder the team.

Linki - INH, I'm down for that unless someone states that thier food is lower than 5. I'll submit a PM now to give DH the fish unless otherwise noted by EoN.

Well, you hadn't listened to anything before that, after mulitple times of people (including me) kindly pointing things out that you were mistaken about. I eventually became frustrated with a player repeatedly not following the conversation, not knowing how the game was played, and not doing what was best for the tribe. If that earns your vote, so be it.

As many have said, tribe unity is important. Rogue players, I believe, are dangerous. I have seen rogue tendencies from you a few times now.

That I've pointed them out seems to scare you into voting for me.

DharmaHelper wrote:Also, at least 2 of the people that fished today can rest tomorrow, and Golden and Eloh can fetch water. Problem = Solved.

I think I'm going to need to nap tomorrow, actually. I don't want my energy getting too low.

DrWilgy wrote:Womp womp.

We'll get them next time team!

Before we start yelling at e/o about who we are voting I say lets all figure out how we should distribute food.

As of this morning I had 7 hunger, the food poisoning is going to take a toll on that.

Linki - do we have to feed LoRab?

And you each eat 1 of your fish. And give the other of your fish to someone else: Golden, DH, and Chuck makes the most sense. I believe Elo can feed herself--she's at least implied that in the thread. If I'm wrong, then she should get one of the fish instead of Chuck.

DrWilgy wrote:Womp womp.

We'll get them next time team!

Before we start yelling at e/o about who we are voting I say lets all figure out how we should distribute food.

As of this morning I had 7 hunger, the food poisoning is going to take a toll on that.

Linki - do we have to feed LoRab?

I'm not that hungry. But way to be part of the team.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Who's it gonna be?

I'm not sure if he's a doctor, but i'm pretty sure he has my vote.

Meh.

But that's life.

insertnamehere wrote:

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:I kind of feel like the one single dude at a wedding when every other player has two BTSC partners that I'm aware of, and I only have Speedchuck. Not that there's anything wrong with Speedchuck, but...

In the words of Three Dog Night, two can be as bad as one; it's the loneliest number since the number one.

We should have enough to go around... I'm not sure why it's not working out.

Based on each players posts on D3 BTSC:

INH:
1) Speedchuck
2)

Speedchuck
1) Lorab
2) INH

DrWilgy
1) Lorab
2) Elo

Elo:
1) Lorab
2) Wilgy

Lorab:
1) Speedchuck
2) Elo
3) Wilgy

Well, there's your problem. Lorab, Elo, and Wilgy are having some kind of love triangle BTSC situation, leaving me and Speedchuck out in the cold.

I have not requested BTSC with Wilgy. I have, in fact, told him that I did not request it. I was pretty explicit about that. I don't know why he thinks that I wanted it. I'm not sure why you think that I wanted it with him. Did I say that somewhere mistakenly?

DrWilgy wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Golden wrote:We renamed our tribe Manamana anyway

For those who don't know, in a Pacific sense the word 'mana' is sort of hard for me to translate into English but it's sort of a combination of prestige and influence. Someone who comes into a room and has the immediate respect of the room is said to have 'mana'. They are the people who can speak softy for one minute and their words carry more weight than everything else going on around it.

That's mana. Let's live up to it!

Not to be confused with "manna" from the Bible meaning, "What is it."

Wilgy, I know Lorab was a little harsh with you, but she's right. Please read the thread. If I can get into this game than you are smart enough, even as a sicky IRL, to understand it. We PM two names in hopes to gain BTSC with them. If I get BTSC with you and Lorab, it will be in two complete separate chat rooms.

Gotcha, thanks for the explanation. I'm going through and catching up as much as I can, I just have limited time to do so and don't wanna miss anything before the day is up.

@LoRab - are you mad at me?

Not mad at you. I'm just frustrated that you don't seem to be reading the thread and that your actions don't always seem to be in the best interest of the tribe.

This is the second time you've posted something that indicated that you didn't understand how BTSC worked in the game--I'd think that after the first time, you'd have looked back at the host posts to see how it worked.

OK. I'll go with Balance 2, I guess:

Jeff, I'd like to do: Low, Block, High, Block, High, Block, Low, Block

Also, can someone tell me what order to do my moves in. I don't have time to think through the strategy of it.

DrWilgy wrote:(confirming that it's me, eloh, and lorab for btsc tonight?)

What did I do last night? other than not discuss DH? We have 3 sickies and 2 of them need to rest. Unless someone would like to come with me I don't know if there's a better means of us discovering a way to be treated.

Perhaps we just need to drink a whole lot of water however?

linki - you sure Golden? I have no issues with you going.

I never said I wanted BTSC with you. Each of our BTSC is separate with a person. Eloh said she wanted it with you. That I am also having BTSC with Eloh is irrelevant.

And more than just the 3 of you are sick: Golden, INH, Elo, DH, and you all have food poisining. That means that 3 of us are healthy. 5 of you are sick.

According to Golden, it effects hunger, thirst, and energy--so we need to worry about both food and water. And, I don't think that all 5 of you can take a nap. I think that 2 of us is adequate for water--if you could go back to fishing, as previously discussed in the thread, that would be appreciated.

It would be helpful if you could read the thread.

DrWilgy wrote:

Opt_Outside wrote:I moved off fire if it's a one man duty and will fish, unless we'd prefer I get water with two people already fishing

If we think we have too many fishing I can nap. If I don't recover from my illness by tomorrow fishing I'll need to nap anyways.

What's your energy level at? We probably can't have every sick person napping, and still have enough food and water for the camp.

We're better off having more food, I think. We all need to eat.

Golden wrote:I can play if need be. I'm in a similar situation to eloh.

@Wilgy and @INH: Do either of you still have your extra fish? Would you please consider giving it to Golden ASAP?

Meant the first part as a question, not a statement.

Golden--your energy level is the same as Eloh's. If that's the case, then either of you can go. Up to y'all.

DrWilgy wrote:
@DH, sure but why?

Because we all agreed that it's the priority for us to be taking care of food and water, and not looking for idols this round, with more than half of our camp sick.

Jeff, I will do the challenge

I'm not sick. My energy is at 14. I'm still good to go, I think.

Also, switched to getting water, so we all stay hydrated.

Also, to keep in mind: there's a good chance that the other tribe has folks with food poisoning, as well.

I'll take the group's advice as to how to order my moves for the challenge.

We may want to sit you out golden because the food poisoning may weaken you for the challenge.

Golden wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Golden wrote:I got food poisoning. It needs to be treated.

I'm so sorry!!! Do you know how we can treat it?

No. I'll lose hunger thirst and energy more quickly without it being treated.

I would suggest that you take a nap in the meantime. IRL, food poisoning is usually a thing time needs to fix. and rest is the only thing. And if you rest, at least you'll lose less rest. We'll make sure you get water and food.

Golden wrote:I got food poisoning. It needs to be treated.

I'm so sorry!!! Do you know how we can treat it?

Golden wrote:Should I go with you lorab?

I've been feeling like my food efforts are terrible. I failed to find fish or coconuts. Does anyone have active skill in food gathering?

Extra eyes are always a good thing.

Elo, Chuck: Can I interest the 2 of you in BTSC this evning?

I'm going to further explore those rock crags. See if I can see anything that boom didn't see.

Wilgy, do you want people to vote for you?

DrWilgy wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:
@DH, yeah I glanced at it throughout the day but was never really able to catch up. Didn't think to post because of that, didn't feel that it would contribute anything. Again, I'm sorry that caused worry, didn't really think too much about it.

That was a tactical error on your part.

I hope your cold recovers quickly, and that you otherwise had an excellent day. But in a game sense this move makes the most sense given the information that's available.

And good luck to you DH. You probably won't need it. You aren't unlucky :^)

Linki- March?

In like a lion, out like a lamb?

DrWilgy wrote:Hmm... I do gotta say, I look forward to the brawl when only Lions are left.

Only players that really really really wanna win remaining. That'll be interesting.

@DH, yeah I glanced at it throughout the day but was never really able to catch up. Didn't think to post because of that, didn't feel that it would contribute anything. Again, I'm sorry that caused worry, didn't really think too much about it.

You know what they say about March

DrWilgy wrote:I don't appreciate being called a liar, especially when there's no mafia to lynch :^(

I only knew about the btsc via Speedchucks question "hey Wilgy you want btsc" or some matter. I thought "sure that sounds fun."

Catching the rock pm thing was just a lucky skimming memory.

So, then, you're just not paying attention to the game?

DrWilgy wrote:

LoRab wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Golden wrote:Did you forget to send in your btsc PM wilgy?

I had to send a PM?

Seriously? You knew you had to send in a PM for the rock. You even posted about it. You also knew there was a discussion about who people were requesting for BTSC, as you acknowledged the discussion.

I knew that there was a btsc going down but I didn't know I had to pm anything for it. I didn't send a pm when I was in btsc with Golden...

@LoRab, the unluckier you consider yourself, then the more lucky good things are! :^)

@DH, that's just unlucky :^(

Bullshit. You read the host post enough to know you had to PM for the rock choice, but not that you had to PM for BTSC? Did you read your role?

Boomslang wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

LoRab wrote:Boom--work with me here. I'm thinking about moving my vote. Convince me it's worthwhile.

Wilgy is demonstrating, at best, incompetence with the mechanics of the game in not knowing he had to send a PM. That's assuming he's telling the truth. At worst, he's feigning ignorance to delay our progress, both in thread discussion and BTSC, for purposes I can only guess at. In either case, he's clearly not prepared to be an asset to the tribe at the same level as me.

But why is it worthwhile to keep you around?

I can only compare past performances. In Day 1, I contributed to the challenge using 2 energy compared to Wilgy's 1. In Day 2, I correctly advocated for the right strategy and didn't waver, compared to Wilgy wanting to cast a yellow rock due to perceived loyalty to someone on the other team. I've already established myself as objectively more helpful to the team than Wilgy. What else do you want from me?

i want you to talk about yourself without mentioning anyone else. I don't want comparisons between you and other players. I don't want you to make this tribe more divisive. That's actually why I've voted for you, as I stated when I voted. So, without menioning any other player, I want to know what your worth is to this tribe. And how you are of value to the unity of this tribe and our working together towards a shared ideal of winning.

Boomslang wrote:

LoRab wrote:Boom--work with me here. I'm thinking about moving my vote. Convince me it's worthwhile.

Wilgy is demonstrating, at best, incompetence with the mechanics of the game in not knowing he had to send a PM. That's assuming he's telling the truth. At worst, he's feigning ignorance to delay our progress, both in thread discussion and BTSC, for purposes I can only guess at. In either case, he's clearly not prepared to be an asset to the tribe at the same level as me.

But why is it worthwhile to keep you around?

@Wilgy:

Why do you think you are unlucky?

DrWilgy wrote:

Golden wrote:Did you forget to send in your btsc PM wilgy?

I had to send a PM?

Seriously? You knew you had to send in a PM for the rock. You even posted about it. You also knew there was a discussion about who people were requesting for BTSC, as you acknowledged the discussion.

Boom--work with me here. I'm thinking about moving my vote. Convince me it's worthwhile.

Boomslang wrote:

Golden wrote:Wilgy has a very pointy nose.

^This times 10,000. Wilgy, a single post during the day phase, just saying you were busy and would catch up later, would have helped the tribe make a better decision. You didn't do that. I don't buy your excuse. You deliberately took advantage of the Syndicate's cultural tolerance of silence to let momentum build up against me. There's no scum in this game... but that's a hella scummy move.

While I don't think Wilgy's action was good, I don't like this response to it, either. This post does not make me think that I made a mistake with my vote.

I might change my vote. But it won't be because I think that you're good for the tribe.

I feel like Susan Hawk right about now.

Wilgy: Tell me why I shouldn't move my vote to you?

DrWilgy wrote:I'm sorry to cause worry, but never fear friend :^)

Glad you're ok. And glad you're back.

DrWilgy wrote:Worried about GoC, anniversary, and slept in until noon via cold.

Hbu?

How bout me? I've been posting, thanks.

And you've posted througout the day in GOC....so....a post here to say yo would have been nice. Just so we knew you cared. We were worried.