The Syndicate

Quin wrote:

LoRab wrote:You implied as much, I'm just asking if that's what you, in fact think.

I've had BTSC with you once and we didn't talk about much of anything. I can't tell you whether you deserve to be here because I don't know what you've done.

That's a fair statement. But I'm sure you can see how one could read your posts as implying differently.

You implied as much, I'm just asking if that's what you, in fact think.

Quin wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Opt_Outside wrote:Lorab, I don't know what you're thinking but I'm really glad we've gotten to be a team throughout this game. My only options are you and quin and I don't know exactly what to do yet but they only reason I'd vote for you would be if I felt like I needed to force a tie to make it fair and leave things to fate. I know all three of you feel you have to do what's best for your game at this point but I think loyalty goes along way with the jury and I thank all three of you for yours. We all got here with each other's help

I've enjoyed working with you, as well. We've been together literally since day 1, when we mutually discovered what happens when you go get water. I don't think I can vote for you. It just doesn't feel right, and you've done nothing to me to break promises, so I don't want to break any promises I've made to you.

I think I need to vote Quin.

While Quin has played a good game, Quin has also never been on my side, and is the player left to whom I do not feel a sense of loyalty.

No hard feelings. I've voted for you for the same reason and if it's you who makes it to the end, good luck.

And Sorsha, I wanted to give you a plea as to why you shouldn't vote for me, so I'll do it here.

I've had your back since the beginning of the game, as early as when you first gave me fish. When names were being discussed in BTSC I threw in my two cents that you should have some sort of vote immunity early on, both for your role, and as a favour. I also flat out rejected voting for you back when SVS was eliminated. And I played an idol for you so that you, Opt and I could all make final three. I haven't broken my word to you.

I know you're weighing what's best for your chances of winning right now, and I get that. But it's as I said before, I think you'll earn more favour with the jury by going to the end with the people who you can have a sense of accomplishment in beating.

So do you not think I deserve to be here?

Opt_Outside wrote:Lorab, I don't know what you're thinking but I'm really glad we've gotten to be a team throughout this game. My only options are you and quin and I don't know exactly what to do yet but they only reason I'd vote for you would be if I felt like I needed to force a tie to make it fair and leave things to fate. I know all three of you feel you have to do what's best for your game at this point but I think loyalty goes along way with the jury and I thank all three of you for yours. We all got here with each other's help

I've enjoyed working with you, as well. We've been together literally since day 1, when we mutually discovered what happens when you go get water. I don't think I can vote for you. It just doesn't feel right, and you've done nothing to me to break promises, so I don't want to break any promises I've made to you.

I think I need to vote Quin.

While Quin has played a good game, Quin has also never been on my side, and is the player left to whom I do not feel a sense of loyalty.

It's not that it doesn't match word for word, it's that they are not the same effect.

Quin wrote:Off topic, but is there a way to mass delete PM's? I've got one and a half pages of just challenge PM's and I don't want to click every single one.

check the boxes and then go to the square where it says mark/unmark as important, click on it, and choose delete marked.

linkitis: I don't know what to do, either.

Quin wrote:Whether you agree or not, the most likely scenario is Eloh betrayed you and Golden. I don't know what the point of accusing me at this point was, anyway.

It still doesn't match the description. And I'm not sure why it is so important to you that it was Eloh (since you seem to have given up your initial response that it wasn't a person, just a game thing).

And I had asked the other players, I wanted to ask you, as well. I learn a lot from responses.

Nope. and I know how many points I am listing, so I think I can speak more accurately.

Quin wrote:Yes it does. Your argument is that 'poisoning takes an extra point away from each stat each night' is different from 'saps everything twice as fast'. Which is wrong. They are the exact same.

Not necessarily.

Quin wrote:

LoRab wrote:I find it more likely that Golden did it by using a role (even though the result doesn't match up) than that Elo did it, in terms of personal character and values. Although I hold that I think it unlikely that either of them would do that to someone to whom they made promises. It's just not who either of them are.

Also, still not the same result.

So even though there's a role that does actually perfectly match what happened to both you and Golden, I'm still the most likely candidate?

Because it doesn't actually perfectly match. I said that already.

So, are any of us leaning towards voting off a particular other of us? Do we want to think about making general pleas to each other? How do we want to do this? Quin addressed Sorsha about making a case for himself, but that sort of ignored the fact that we all have a vote this round. It's not just Sorsha's decision. (however easier this might be if it were...well, not for sorsha)

Hey, ScottyJeff: How are ties decided?

I find it more likely that Golden did it by using a role (even though the result doesn't match up) than that Elo did it, in terms of personal character and values. Although I hold that I think it unlikely that either of them would do that to someone to whom they made promises. It's just not who either of them are.

Also, still not the same result.

First off, totally not in her character to do that and then lie about it. I think she is capable of doing so--I'm not underestimating her--but I don't think it is in her values to do so. Nor do I think she'd stab me in the back like that. It's not who she is.

Also, my poisoning takes away an extra point of each per night, not saps everything twice as fast--so it doesn't match what the role says.

Quin wrote:Want to tell me what those factors are?

Process of elimination.

And I reject the idea that it was a game mechanic. The PM said "you were poisoned," which is an active thing, and exactly what was said in the PM when I was poisoned last time. It was not, "you got sick," which is something completely different. I assume someone found an item which allowed them to target people with poison. The only other possibility is that Golden poisoned me and was faking it himself, and that is not something I believe is in his character to do.

Quin, based on several different factors, you seem the most likely candidate to have poisoned Golden and me. Did you do this? And if so, why? If not, then who do you think did it?

Yeah, I should have just given up on the maze. Alas. Good job, Sorsha!

Just realized that I was so caught up in the challenge that I never congratulated all of us on making it to the final 4! Seriously, it hasn't been easy, and I think we all deserve to be here. Whoever of us makes it to the final 3 will deserve to be there and it will be a fair race to the end. Whichever of us is eliminated will be a difficult choice and it will suck, but whoever that person is (and if that is me), there is honor in having made it this far. And whoever is eliminated does have the power of the jury, which is not a power to be underestimated.

Well played to you all. You have my respect. High fives all around.

Scotty wrote:ATTENTION: due to my limited availability, I have to extend this phase by 24 hours. I'm sorry if this screws up people's schedules but I'm not close to finishing this challenge

Thank you, Scottyjeff!

Scotty wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Scotty wrote:

LoRab wrote:Hey, ScottJeff, I'd like to do the retreiving the key leg of the challenge.

Option B. All at once. Dig until 4th increment, and keep trying to fit under until I get through.

LoRab dug for a while. This took 2 minutes and 8 energy, but she retrieved the first key.

How does she want to proceed with the next room?

Dig one increment

Do you want to try and fit under?

yes. I thought that was implied.

Scotty wrote:

LoRab wrote:Hey, ScottJeff, I'd like to do the retreiving the key leg of the challenge.

Option B. All at once. Dig until 4th increment, and keep trying to fit under until I get through.

LoRab dug for a while. This took 2 minutes and 8 energy, but she retrieved the first key.

How does she want to proceed with the next room?

Dig one increment

LoRab wrote:Hey, ScottJeff, I'd like to do the retreiving the key leg of the challenge.

Option B. All at once. Dig until 4th increment, and keep trying to fit under until I get through.

Clarification: Do we automatically stop digging if we get through if we have sent it all at once? I think I misunderstood what you meant here.

Hey, ScottJeff, I'd like to do the retreiving the key leg of the challenge.

Option B. All at once. Dig until 4th increment, and keep trying to fit under until I get through.

Quin wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Quin wrote:

It's shifty to request BTSC in the thread, now?

No.

So, then, what was the meaning of your smiley comment?

Quin wrote:

It's shifty to request BTSC in the thread, now?

Sorsha: I enjoyed our conversation. Would you like to continue it?

Sad to see you go, Elo!

Opt--thank you for switching to fire. I'm glad we have the fire back.

We could also be smart about this as a group and coordinate so that we each have BTSC with 4 people.

I was going to request you too Elo!

Opt_Outside wrote:Golden- truly sorry to see you go. I've loved playing with you and I respect your game hugely. Everyone here expected to be sitting at the end with you. You were at the core of everyone's alliance- that's why you were so good at this game and exactly why we had to get you out.

Elo- sorry to keep you in the dark. It had to be a btsc conversation.

Lorab- I'm sure you're upset by this. But golden made many many end game alliances (speedchuck was right...) and I don't know if ours would have been the one he honored. This was not my plan until recently and I never wanted to go against you. But I understand if you no longer trust me.

It's anybody's game now- good luck guys

I'm not upset. Disappointed, but you did what you thought you had to.

Can we go for BTSC? I have some questions I'd like to ask you and I'd rather not in the thread. If I understand Scotty correctly, our requests still have to match.

@Elo: I'm in process of deciding that.

Thank you Golden, and thank you coin toss fates.

Tails

Elo: did you not send in btsc? I only got message for on chat...

This is the part where I go to bed. I will hopefully sleep through the night and not be up when mafia day ends. And will catch up in the morning. Good luck to all contestants.

Whoever wins the puzzle challenge (I know it's not me, I didn't finish it), if you are able to share the reward--especially if you can share with multiple people, I'd appreciate a portion. I'm getting low on both food and drink. Host said it would restore both, so if i could get a sip and/or a nibble, especially since I'm still poisoned, I'd appreciate it. I also recognize you probably can't share it with everyone, and that I'm not the only person with low levels, so I trust you to make a good and fair choice. Just wanted to put a request in there since I won't likely be awake when such a request may be requested. And Golden had said initially that he'd share, so I'm assuming that such is the case so I'm feeling ok requesting. (I'm also assuming that either treat restores both hunger and thirst, but that could be wrong...if it's a pick and choose thing, then I am in need of both, so either is fine.)

I look forward to BTSC tomorrow. And to hopefully an end to this rain. And to more mafiavivor fun times.

I'm processing slowly, lol.

Meant to quote this one, too:

Elohcin wrote:Lorab and golden it is.

Elohcin wrote:

Opt_Outside wrote:I'll put myself and quin for strength and golden for puzzle- what else?

I should do the strength challenge. I'm not great with puzzles.

Also, opt, I'd like BTSC with you tonight. Golden too, but your booked, I believe. Maybe I can talk with you again,Lorab. Or possibly Sorsha. Have we even talked yet?

LoRab wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Opt_Outside wrote:I'll put myself and quin for strength and golden for puzzle- what else?

I should do the strength challenge. I'm not great with puzzles.

Also, opt, I'd like BTSC with you tonight. Golden too, but your booked, I believe. Maybe I can talk with you again,Lorab. Or possibly Sorsha. Have we even talked yet?

I'd love to BTSC with you, Elo!!

Golden wrote:OK, so someone thinks they have elo when they don't. Is it me, opt or lorab?

I think you're talking to Quin and Opt.

Golden wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Sure. Anyone else?

It looks like we are getting down to so few people that planning is going out the window without noticing it...

I just realised - if I have Quin and Elo, and Opt has Quin and Elo, that means Sorsha and LoRab by definition only have each other.

Elo and I are talking to each other, actually...

Hey, Sorsha: You want to BTSC?

Yay teamwork!

I agree with Elo staying on water!! Don't know Sorsha's thirst level, if she could safely move to shelter or not.

Opt_Outside wrote:Okay so... only two of us are building shelter right now. I think we need at least three to succeed. Would someone come over from the water well to help? Or the fire unless it needs two people? Otherwise I'd rather move to do something productive. I fear that we'll get sick in the rain without the shelter though

I thought we had discussed earlier that building a fire needed 2 people. For the shelter, from the host post, it sounded like it was getting damaged, but not that it had fallen apart--so maybe 3 will work. Also a risk that 1 person wouldn't be able to bring water back for other people (we've actually never had only 1 person go to the well). But I agree, probably better to put a third person on shelter (because that will have an impact on energy for all of us), and have 1 person on water--at least they will (hopefully) have water. Since we need to rebuild the fire in the rain, I think it best to have 2 people on that--we are in big trouble if we have no fire (including that none of us can eat).

Elohcin wrote:

Opt_Outside wrote:I'll put myself and quin for strength and golden for puzzle- what else?

I should do the strength challenge. I'm not great with puzzles.

Also, opt, I'd like BTSC with you tonight. Golden too, but your booked, I believe. Maybe I can talk with you again,Lorab. Or possibly Sorsha. Have we even talked yet?

I'd love to BTSC with you, Elo!!

I moved to shelter.

As for challenge: I don't have much time today to work on the puzzle, and Scotty said its real time centric--I've been out of the office all week, I have 2 meetings this afternoon, and I need to write a sermon for tonight.

I'm willing to take one for the tribe and do the puzzle challenge, though, knowing that I will lose. But I need people's word that I won't be voted out for it. And that if Golden wins (which, knowing that he's good at puzzles, is likely) he'll share the reward (which he has already said).

Elohcin wrote:And apparently I missed a few.poats before posting. I had yet to have my tea in my hands. I'll be honest with y'all...My energy and food is low, but my thirst is at 3, very low. So I should get water like I voted...But now I feel bad because I'm not helping with something for the group.

Water actually brings water back for the tribe. Or at least is has.

And if we don't think we need so many people on fire, perhaps one of us can go get water with you to make sure we bring more back. And so we can increase the talking.

Opt, thank you.

Svs, I'm sorry things had to go this way. I'd have loved to have gone to the end with you. You chose not to go that route. I think you'd have done the same as I did in my position.

Sorry to anyone I had to lie to yesterday for this plan to work. Especially Sorsha, because you were a relatively arbitrary. Joyce of someone to say I was planning to vote for and I felt bad about it. And Elo, because I just hate not being truthful with you, Elo.

As for the challenge, I really need food and water. So whoever wins that, sharing appreciated. My energy is less depleted. I have a strength advantage if I am placed in that part of the challenge.

I put myself on fire at the camp, as I remember that not taking up energy. And we need fire. Do we still have a flint from either of the camps?

Thank you, Quin. I appreciate that.

I still have hopes that enough of you will see my side of things here.

In the meantime, if I should go, this will make for a very interesting decision when it comes time for a jury vote. I hope that there is someone that I have any respect left for who I can give a vote to. That list is getting shorter.

(in game. love and respect you all out of game)

Sorsha wrote:So yeah, that's useful.....

It's not particularly useful a role. It's why I've tried to be useful as a player and been helpful to others at every moment I have been able to do so.

S~V~S wrote:What have you removed off of it?

I didn't remove anything tonight. You can go back and look at the polls to see what isn't there.

Sorsha wrote:What does your role do LoRab? Sorry if I missed that some where.

I get a preview of the day poll and I can remove an item off of it on odd nights.

If superfan were not in the game/on my tribe, I would also be able to role block on even nights.