The Syndicate

Dom wrote:I think it's a time/interest thing for her.

When we cohost hamilton, we may be able to convince her to come back...at least for 1 game....

That's awesome.

Also, speaking of free styling, I kind of want to write Hamilton Mafia.

Golden wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Dom getting into a shitfight with me when he's bad is now a law.

Fixed

I think you thinking I'm bad when I'm civ is now a law too lol.

And Mac thinking I'm bad when I'm in a game.

Dom wrote:LOL @ my typo.



LoRab, you and I haven't gone toe to toe in quite a while-- if ever. I'd love to do it someday.

I think we may have back in the day. Like, when you first started playing back in the day.

But yes, we should do that someday!!

Dom wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Dom wrote:Matt, dom isn't retiring.

Maybe he confused Ricos Black & White avatar with yours? Rico did say HE was retiring.

And tbh, you were flawless this game. I was still a bit hesitant to vote you even with Bullz so sure. Had you been around more to defend the last half of the day, you might have pulled it out.

The damn theater ruins my game again!

Never forget when I missed a vote in AWR because I was seeing three shows in NYC and everyone suspected me for that BEFORE I got recruited.

Typhoony wrote:I agree. You played really well Dom.

If I had been around at the end I would've pushed Lorab harder and defended you. I thought you were civ.

Could have had a very different game.

You did play really well. By the end, I knew you were bad, but I did not think you were mafia--I thought you were an evil indy.

And it's kind of funny that neither of us were around for the bulk of the last day. It would have been interesting to see how it panned out differently...and would have been fun to really battle you in the thread.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Matt wrote:Btw, here's something ironic...

Dom was going after Golden quite a bit, and I thought Golden *might* be mafia after his stubborn defense of Bubbles, and I didn't want Golden to die yet because I knew I didn't have enough victims. So I target Dom in the hopes that Dom goes after Scarecrow instead of Golden. Dom reveals he was Scarecrow'd. Everyone lynches Dom for being Scarecrow, game ends, I lose.

Yall shoulda listened to me and voted LoRab

No y'all shoudn't have!!

This game was great! Tons of thanks to the hosts!!!

And apologies to all for not being so around for the bulk of the game. Scheduling. But my number of posts was not at all connected to my enjoyment of the game.

And juliets, thinking of you and know you have people who care deeply, and hope and pray for you and your family to have peace and wholeness, whatever that looks like.

And, more importantly, who was scarecrow?

Wow. I didn't expect that. I didn't think he was civ, but I didn't expect Falcone. I feel bad and sort of like I should have let myself be lynched for the civ cause. But I really had no idea.

Also, I told you people I was civ. I will forever be read as bad on this site!!

Golden wrote:

LoRab wrote:how did your sermon go?

i think it went pretty well. I was feeling good about this one for a while.

always nice when you feel good about it and then it writes as well as you imagine it and then you deliver it and it feels like it did when you wrote it. At least for me.

DharmaHelper wrote:What do you mean you don't trust me?

I mean I find you vaguely suspicous.

On the off chance there are shenanigans and I'm lynched, look at Dom. And I still don't trust dh.

Typh is probably Indy.

And i was serious about Enrique being Falcone.

Matt wrote:

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Matt wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sorry Bullz, I just don't have any large reason to believe Dom is Scarecrow over anyone else at this point, and he is reading genuine to me.

I take comfort in the fact I won't be the only one who loses because nobody agreed with me. I know it's not a huge case but it is something I feel strongly about and I have already pointed out what I think is a pretty big hole in the case for LoRab being Scarecrow.

This post makes me wonder if Lorab and Bullz are some sort of Falcone/Thorne or Falcone/Catwoman pairing, and Bullz is telling us the game is about to end with a lot of losers if we lynch Lorab.

Hrm.

I have no idea what LoRab's role is, but I'm 100% sure she isn't Scarecrow. What night was it she targeted you to need MP dead? Five? Yet Typh himself says she wouldn't have been around to know MP's role had been figured out by that point.

She posted both Day Five & Night Five, though

And making them need Robin dead is hardly reliant on knowing who MP was.

Oh, I just thought of something.

Just the other day, Lorab seemed to be under the impression that I was role hinting at Batman early on in the game (no, I wasn't btw), so that would make sense that back on day 5, she would target me for Robin. Just spitballing, but curious.

Untrue. I said you had hinted in that cycle and later clarified that you had hinted (strongly) that you were a cop. Which you did. And as it was the crux of why I was suspecting you, so I'm pretty sure you understood that.

Which reminds me, everyone should look at you too.

Voted Dom obviously. Still reading up. My phone didn't load a bunch o the posts and reading them now. But didn't want to miss the vote. Will post more when I've read.

Dom wrote:

LoRab wrote:I am not scarecrow. I realize there is circumstantial evidence but it leads to the wrong conclusion. Dom, I was not throwing shade at you. I was questioning your thinking in order to further discussion. Your overreaction makes me wonder more about you.

Overreaction?
I made one post where I questioned your intent.

Your first post in response to me wasn't just continuing the conversation. Im not sure what word to describe it but the tone seemed angry, I guess.

And then you said I was throwing shade.

Between those two, and the tone of the first of those, it seemed like an overreaction to me and reminded me of your baddie trapped in a corner tone.

Typhoony wrote:I think it's a theory worth thinking about, but Lorab is a better choice for scarecrow based on what I posted earlier.

Except that your theory is wrong.

DharmaHelper wrote:Lorab looks the worst to me tbqh.

Why?

DharmaHelper wrote:

LoRab wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Just pointing out that one of the reasons we lynched a crooked cop last lynch was because there was a general consensus I am not the Scarecrow.

There was? Can you point that out, because I don't remember seeing that in the thread.

Several people did not vote for me because they found it hard to believe I was the Scarecrow. Pretty well documented.

I wouldn't call a few people a consensus, but I get your point.

I'm not going to be around much today. I have services shortly and then I will be spending the afternoon doing some set up and then shopping for a huge carnival tomorrow (to celebrate the holiday of Purim--that's the holiday where we dress up in costumes, drink, and eat cookies and often have carnivals. Best holiday ever. The holiday is actually Wednesday but we're having the carnival tomorrow. So I'll give a meta defense now.

I'm not bad. I'm not scarecrow. I'm not any other indy. I'm civ. Lynching a civ at this point (me or any other civ for that matter) gives 2 players the biggest benefit (other indies may benefit, as well): Falcone (obviously) and Scarecrow.

Wayne Manor doesn't want a dead civ. Civs shouldn't want a dead civ. I'm fairly confident no one who has been scarecrowed has to have me dead to win.

It is in Scarecrow's best interest to lynch a player whom he has not targeted, because it makes the percentage of people targeted higher and brings him closer to his win condition.(which is why I've been eyeballing those who push an agenda of only looking at those who haven't been targeted).

It's a double edged sword, by hunting for scarecrow, we're helping scarecrow unless we are lucky enough to find him. But, at the same time, if we go after Falcone and the game ends, then a ton of players who deserve to don't win because they haven't finished their scarecrow condition.

I am not scarecrow. I realize there is circumstantial evidence but it leads to the wrong conclusion. Dom, I was not throwing shade at you. I was questioning your thinking in order to further discussion. Your overreaction makes me wonder more about you.

DharmaHelper wrote:Just pointing out that one of the reasons we lynched a crooked cop last lynch was because there was a general consensus I am not the Scarecrow.

There was? Can you point that out, because I don't remember seeing that in the thread.

Dom wrote:The list of players who have not claimed to have been Scarecrow'd.

Bass_the_Clever
DharmaHelper
ekeknat
Equivocate
juliets
Lorab
S~V~S
Typhoony



Now, I think we agree that the inactives cannot be Scarecrow.
DharmaHelper
juliets
Lorab
S~V~S
Typhoony

Of those?
I'd lean DH?

Why limit the list to those names? I mean, I think a lot of scarecrows would either self-target or not use the power one night and claim to have targeted. I think it is very short sighted to limit the list to those who haven't been targeted. I actually think it's a lot more likely that scarecrow is someone who has been targeted (or reports having been targeted).

Clearly, scarecrow is a good player--I can't imagine that a person playing the role the way they have wouldn't make it seem as if they've targeted themselves in the process.

I'd actually say that completely from a probability standpoint (putting aside players and posts), it's probably one of the people who was targeted to have Robin be dead. I mean, 2 players, maybe, but 3? Seems unlikely. And poor strategy. If Robin were to die, then 3 players are off the hook. And I think it better strategy to mainly spread out who to try to have killed.

I think it is also informative to consider who would choose, as far as we know, civ roles to be targets. Scarecrow needs to be a player who would play it from a baddie perspective.

Trying to decide if Dom's comment is short sighted enough to be suspicious. I'm not there yet, but I'm processing.

And trying to think through all of the living players and figuring out who might fit.

DH is still a gut read for this, but for no reason other than gut. But, still.

juliets wrote:

Golden wrote:Listening to Paul Simon's Graceland as I write.

It's juliets fault. That signature...

lol, it may have been made in 1986 but it is hypnotizing to me

My brain is trying to process that that album is 30 years old. Such a good album.

And sending much love JC!! Hope you are able to pass through what your family is going through and move towards healing.

Yay for no death!!!

Not sure if there is any inner meaning to that night post, but I'm not going to spend too much effort thinking about it.

So...Falcone...my gut is telling me Enrique. Mainly because he came in day 10 to encourage us all to vote scarecrow. This would be a great move for the teammate of Bubbles, who was a likely lynch victim from the outset. A great way to move the lynch direction elsewhere without having to actually defend a teammate.

Dom wrote:We don't have a NK tonight, right?

We don't know. Host answer on kill passing to other mafia was ambiguous.

juliets wrote:Lorab, in principle I would like to see those non-players gone but if we put off scarecrow for them we let the scarecrow limit even more people that can win or cause more people to vote for people they don't really believe are bad. If we get the Scarecrow and then hold off on Falcone we allow more civs (or possibly inmates) die. I can't see how we can do it without causing one of those situations. I hate that though. Have you got an idea that would work?

I think Scarecrow should be the next to go.

In my own opinion, I'd just assume get Falcone and end the time after that.

I don't want non-players to win, particularly--or for civs to lose because their inmate isn't dead if one of the non-posters is an inmate. but I'm not sure I want to allow mafia to kill more people in order for that to happen.

linkitis: I'd rather wait until day to say my thoughts on that.

so what's the general consensus of the thread?

Go after Scarecrow and then go after the final mafia to win the game?

I'd add that we should discuss mafia suspicions in the meantime, so that if there is anyone that can block, the person can be theoretically blocked.

Also, do we want to lynch the non-players before ending the game, on principle?

Golden wrote:

LoRab wrote:Would Golden target himself night 1?

As others have pointed out, I would simply just lie.

But I think there is enough of my behaviour in the thread to back up the fact it was not a lie.

True. You mentioned it too many times in other contexts for it to really make sense as you lying. Just thinking through everyone.

Would Golden target himself night 1?

S~V~S wrote:

LoRab wrote:I am hereby fairly confident that SVS is not scarecrow.

I played one game where everyone was sure I was bad becasue they had narrowed my role down (The Flash was the game I think) to one where I was a civ & targeted people on even days, or I was bad. I had mentioned I targeted someone on an odd day, and they got all suspish. But it turned out I misread my own role and thought I sent my power in every day, and the host forgot too, lol. So I would not be so sure of that based on this ha ha.

But I really am not that role.

I'd think these hosts would remember to tell you that you sent in the wrong information, though. I'll give you all the benefit of the doubt on this.

I am hereby fairly confident that SVS is not scarecrow.

S~V~S wrote: I agree re Juliets; let me ask a question of the Scarecrowed~ do any of you need Typh or me dead to win?

Not one of the scarecrowed, but I can't help but ask: Are your and Typh's roles so obvious that anyone would know if they need you dead to win?

I tend to be not great at picking up what role hints are hinting at, but I have absolutely no sense of a role for either of you. And given that both of your names have popped up as suspects intermittently, I think a lot of folks don't have you down as particular roles.

Typhoony wrote:I personally think that's bullshit but I will respect your opinion

So be it.

Typhoony wrote:You're a top suspect for Falcone for some people. Why would he kill you(assuming there even is a kill?)
Please share with us who you think it could be.

And my read is just gut Lorab. I haven't looked at isos or whatever. Your wifom is completely lost on me basically.

I don't know how he is thinking through his kills (using the gender pronoun of the role, not assuming I think it's a male player), and not really getting how some of those kill choices were made, I'd rather not risk it. I'll post my suspicions in the mafia morning.

And if that's the case, then please read my posts and think about if you think that I'm Falcone (or bad at all for that matter).

linkitis: I care because I'd rather not waste a lynch. Also, I think lynching civs is bad for morale. Also, I prefer to be alive and play. Also, if I am dead, I cannot continue to help my team win and help have those I believe to be bad lynched. Also, I don't like dying. Also, as others have said, while it is possible to win while dead, in my mind, it's a technical win and doesn't have the same satisfaction as winning when alive.

Golden wrote:"Who is Falcone?"

Not Falcone

Bass_the_Clever
Dom
ekeknat
Equivocate
MovingPictures07
S~V~S

Probably not Falcone

juliets
Matt

Could be Falcone

Bullzeye
DharmaHelper
Enrique
Lorab
Typhoony

I have my own thoughts on who falcone might be. I'd rather not share them at night.

Typhoony wrote:Purely from gut I think Lorab is Falcone. 2Nd choice would be Matt or Enrique.

Also I think Dh is more likely to be the Riddler than Scarecrow actually. Juliets is my #1 for Scarecrow atm.

And linkitis to Golden's post, too.

I am not Falcone. And I really don't see the logic. Read my posts. I would totally bus a teammate, but I wouldn't create a case on them and try to get them lynched repeatedly--especially at times when few others were thinking them bad. I see that as being an crappy way to play the game and treat a teammate and I play within ethics.

Do you think that I would make a case on someone ambiguous early on, before my team had recruited, knowing that my team would recruit?
Do you think that I wouldn't be around on the night that my team was choosing the number of which cop to recruit?
Do you really think my first post after recruiting someone would be calling them out?
Do you think I would consistently argue with players defending Bubbles to push an agenda of having her lynched?
Do you think that in Sabie's lynch, in which I was the last voter, long after the lynch was a done deal, I'd vote for someone else and not put my vote that didn't matter on my teammate so that it blended better?
Do you think that I would make more posts against a teammate than I've posted about anything else in a game?

There's bussing a teammate who has suspicion and there is actively creating and maintaining a case against a teammate--I wouldn't do the latter. If you think that I would play like that, then I feel horrible that I present myself in a way that you don't think I play an ethical game.

I realize that's all wifom, but I really don't understand the thinking that I'm the most likely person to be Falcone (or even a likely person to be Falcone), given those facts and how I play the game.

I mean, seriously, read my posts.

I am not falcone. I think we should find falcone. And I think that we should look at player that make more sense to be Falcone than I do.

Also, an actual case on why the 2 of you think that I am a likely Falcone suspect would be nice.

Golden wrote:Or maybe you could spell it out so I can point out what you're missing? People tend to read in to my posts things that are never there.

Was tat to me?

Golden wrote:

LoRab wrote:@Golden: Who do you need dead to win because of Scarecrow?

Mac. I'm done. I'm pretty sure I win if Falcone dies. But I still want to help other active civs.

Right. Sorry. Totally forgot. I'm overthinking way too many things.

@Golden: Who do you need dead to win because of Scarecrow?

Golden wrote:

LoRab wrote: I'm confused by the "you wouldn't want me around and having to be lynched at lylo." I honestly don't think that you were bubbles' partner. You were way too overt in your defense of her for that to be the case. But this post confuses me. So, if you're civ, then why would we need to get rid of you at lylo?

I just mean that confronted with the massive amount of defending I did of her, would people really not lynch me at lylo? And I know if they did, the town would lose. I don't want the town to lose, and don't want to be a distraction in that sense when it counts.

linki @LoRab - DF was mafia, but DF was on the other side.

Yes, I get that. I'm just saying that I was vocal and active in getting players lynched from both teams and I'm not sure I get why that makes me suspicious. I mean, obviously, DF's team is dead. But I am not sure I understand how you are getting to the conclusion that I am on a team with bubbles. Did you read JC's ISO of me? I've been posting about Bubbles being bad this entire game.

Golden wrote:I will say, I think there is a decent chance that the Bubbles partner is amongst the DF voters:

DFaraday
5
Typhoony (7), Bullzeye (8), Enrique (10), LoRab (12), Golden (17) 26%

I look bad on pretty much every level here, but once again LoRab doesn't look great. The least I can do is check the attitudes of the rest of these three to bubbles as well.

DF was mafia. Bubbles was also mafia. I was a leading voice in lynches against both of them.

I'm not sure why you're trying to paint me as bad, but I'm not.

Golden wrote:Well done.

I figure I'll probably be lynched tomorrow, but I'm not Falcone. It's probably better to lynch me, too. You wouldn't want me around and having to be lynched at lylo.

I now don't think dom is Falcone either Dom is the only one I'd exclude entirely right now, but I'd have to go back and look. I still think LoRab is a genuine option, she has focussed on Bubbles an awful lot this game.

If you are going to lynch me tomorrow, I'll make sure to do a rainbow list before I'm gone.

One baddie to go, guys, and definitely an active one. We can win this

I'm confused by the "you wouldn't want me around and having to be lynched at lylo." I honestly don't think that you were bubbles' partner. You were way too overt in your defense of her for that to be the case. But this post confuses me. So, if you're civ, then why would we need to get rid of you at lylo?

Also, why am i a genuine option? Didn't you say :

To be clear, too, LoRab, I don't think you are her teammate. I just think that is more likely than her teammate going 'oh, LoRab is a girl' and her immediately apologising for getting your gender wrong in the thread. Even if she does come back bad, I think she made that little correction all on her own.

which says that you don't think I'm her teammate. We will not know until end game if her teammate told her about my gender.

And I'll repeat my question to you that you were responding to with that quote. Do you really think I'd be going against a teammate throughout the game, consistantly, being among the first to bring up suspicion and raise a case against her?

Sigh. It's always a relief to learn that you were right. OK, day 1 I wasn't...but since then, when my real suspicion developed, yeah.

Golden wrote:Yeah, but I then realised she couldn't be Scarecrow.

None of that is different, LoRab. I feel exactly the same way as I felt then. I don't think it's a good lynch. As you've seen, I haven't opposed it, I've voted that way. There is enough doubt. But I don't think it is a good lynch, based on a good case. I think, at best, there are some factors which mean there is a chance she is bad.

If she is bad, I think she is a recruited cop and her first post came while she was genuinely civilian.

I hear what you're saying, but it reads different to me.

And that post isn't so much why I suspect her (other than day 1)--it's such a small piece in why I strongly feel that she should be lynched. I strongly believe she is mafia. So there is a 50% chance that she started off civ. Doesn't much matter to me when she became bad, just that she is.

Golden wrote:@Lorab - there is a big difference between a case having some aspects of merit and it being strong. I feel like there are some kernels that don't shut the door on her being bad. That's the best I can feel about this lynch.

"The case is poor" does not sound like what you were saying yesterday:

Golden wrote:So, all in all, where have I come to after that?

I think there are some legitimate reasons to read bubbles either way... more reasons to see her as bad than I did before this convo... and I wish she would come back and engage on the suspicions.

Golden wrote:I think you are probably Falcone, yep. I don't think I can possibly nail an individual down to Scarecrow. But if I was wrong about you being Falcone, I think you are inmate at best.

You have at least done enough to convince me that a Bubbles vote isn't worth opposing. And if you pull one off and she is team Falcone, I think your push has been genuine enough that I wouldn't believe you were bussing.

Golden wrote:

Enrique wrote:Golden wasn't Bubbles a civ for sure? Why is it Typh and Bullz that you're defending now?

I looked through bubbles posts in this game, and others, for myself, and it created doubt.

Typh and Bullz, I don't think they are bad or the scarecrow. I could be wrong, but thats my impression of the thread.

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Yay I can talk, Thanks Eddie for making that not as bad as it could have been

I think Bubbles vote and limited posts are a bit too well informed. I know she says she was here in the 10 days between her posts, but I don't recall ever seeing her. Her post about Doms chattiness level was bizarre, as was her vote for me.

I need to do some more reading on Matt, I don't think he looks much like GOC Matt to me. The Derp Index is also telling for me; he has 477 posts with 23 derps so far in this game, an index of .05. In GOC he had 308 posts, with 34 derps, an index of .11, more than double. He was blendier in general there, only coming to full Mattness in endgame.

I will say, I did genuinely see Bubbles multiple times. I thought it was weird she wasn't posting and for a while it made me wonder if Mac's 'people are getting arrested' theory was right. I can't remember in exactly what time of the game this was happening, though.

But, when I went through her posts, I can definitely see the points on her.

No deep, inner meaning. Just pointing out that a day ago, you seemed to think the case had more merit a day ago than you seem to think now. Also:

Golden wrote:I won't be voting Matt.

LoRab, DH, bubbles and dom are really the options, for me. I don't think Typh or Bullz are bad or Scarecrow.

Here you have her on your top 4 list for who you think scarecrow might be.

Why do you people post so much when I'm not online?!

Bubbles wrote:

Golden wrote:

Bubbles wrote:im still here not disappeared at all, i'll vote for someone in a little bit

Hey bubbles. I know this isn't much like you to do this, but I'd be really interested in if you could give thoughts on quite a few players at once... if you can.

im not sure if i could i dont have reads on many people
but kind of agree about lorab seeming fishy maybe voting him, i'll have to read back

There is no way bubbles has read my posts. Too many of them are about her and she hasn't responded to them, nor does she even acknoweldge that I suspect her. This is either realizing she's likely to get votes and looking at someone who was named on a few GTH lists, or someone who is being informed outside the thread of good people to go after.

Bubbles wrote:* agree with matt about lorab

also if lorab is a girl i'm sorry for the pronoun mixup :P

I am female, but you are forgiven. Even if, as SVS said, this is really quite sketchy. And what exactly do you agree with?

Bubbles wrote:ok voted lorab cause i gotta get off and there isnt many others that stand out

Thanks for letting me respond to the suspicion of me that no one has really given any reasons for. What about my posts stands out to you? Is it that they inspired you to switcheroo?

Bullzeye wrote:But why, Bubbles?

Because her BTSC decided she should vote for me. And it's easy to suspect one of the people that suspects you the most.

Golden wrote:@Matt - there is zero chance of bubbles being the last baddie. She didn't send in a PM last night.

The main gist of the case on her is that she has BTSC.

Golden wrote:I mean, how many times do we lynch bubbles as civ for the exact same reasons before we stop finding the behaviour suspicious?

linki @SVS - I don't keep saying that. I did say it once at the start of the day (thinking the cop had to send the PM in, I didn't realise team PMs were a thing) and Dom corrected me. Since then, I've only pointed out she can't be Scarecrow for that reason.

It's not the same reasons. Several of her posts appear as if she and her thoughts and her actions were informed by another player. It's not that she's saying random things, it's that she's saying things that don't make sense if someone else isn't in BTSC with her.

Golden wrote:I think if the gender thing was to be meaningful and intentional, it would point more towards LoRab being her teammate and them distancing, than he being corrected and then saying so.

@SVS - as I said. There is zero chance of her being the LAST baddie.

Two alive does not make her the last.

Do you seriously think that I would go after someone this hard for this much of the game that was my teammate? I mean, I'm more than willing to bus teammates, but that's when others have already brought up their suspiciousness. I wouldn't be the first one to bring someone up who was on my team. And I voted for her for the first time on day 1.

Matt wrote:Cuz earlier you said he was one of your only non-civ reads. And that was before you listed 1/3 of the players as non civ reads.

Derp.

I'd be down with a vote for Bubbles or Dom. Even though I view her as bad, I wouldn't want to vote Lorab because I think Bubbles' vote is weird and I don't like it.

I appreciate that you think I smell like fishes, even thought I know you're wrong. And also appreciate your not voting for me.

Golden wrote:I hate it when people sound so sure, like SVS. Makes me think their case is a cover for info, and so makes me paranoid, and wonder if I am just being too stubborn and not listening.

I think the case on Bubbles is poor. But SVS being so certain and writing it in capitals makes me think I could be wrong.

If it's poor, then why did it have you doubting yourself yesterday and posting that there was merit to the case against bubbles?

I don't actually think you're her teammate (although it's possible), but this is going against what you posted a day ago.

Unsurprisingly, *votes bubbles*

Also, looking at the list (I think Matt's is the most updated, and I edited SVS who answered after this, but on an older version of the list):

Matt wrote:
Bullz - Night 8
DH
Dom - No
Enrique - Night 9
Golden - Night 1
juliets - no
LoRab - no
Mac - Night 4 (?)
Matt - Night 5
MP - Night 7 (?)
SVS - No
Typhoony - no

So, Golden, Mac, Matt, MP, Bullz, and Enrique wee targeted, in that order (assuming Matt is correct in extrapolating from the thread about nights 4 and 7 which I think seems safe to assume...and taking all the self reporting at face value). We don't know at all about nights 2, 3, and 6.

I notice that of the people who were targeted, they are all male. I don't know if there's any meaning there, but it's interesting to me and in thinking about who would target those particular players. I think it is less likely that a female player who would target only males, just because of how brains work (not making any gender statement greater than I think a female would be more likely to subconsciously target females at some point)--yes, we don't know who was targeted on 3 nights, but I point it out as a pattern of what we do know. Also, looking at the roles they had to have dead to win, of the ones that have been revealed in thread, I think they are all named civie roles (I'm counting Wayne Manor as civ)--so who would make that choice of how to play the role? I have my own ideas of how I'd play the role, but I don't want to give Mr. Crane any ideas.

Given all that, DH, Dom, or Typh are the 3 names on the top of my list. And of those, I think DH is the most likely, based on who I think would make those targeting choices.

Dom wrote:So are we gonna discuss who to lynch or idly mention names until it's time to throw a vote together?

It looks like the following is possible for Scarecrow (if we wanna go that route, and I don't think it's a bad idea):
DH
Dom
Juliets
LoRab
SVS

Just based on no's and no answers.
I'm not scarecrow. Of those, my gut tells me it might be DH, but I don't really have reasons. Maybe SVS? I'm not thinking LoRab. How many lynch votes has she missed?

Responded to the question about my votes earlier, but not the other part of the post. I agree it's not a bad idea to look for Scarecrow. I do think that it's a mistake to limit it to those that have not been scarecrowed.

That said...

juliets wrote:Yeah I think Typhoony got left out. I'm pretty sure i remember he said he had not been scarecrowed. I am not the scarecrow but I had that same thought Dom did that maybe it was DH but I don't have a smidgen of evidence for that feeling.

I also had this thought. Also for no reason. I'm hesitant to lynch someone based on no reason other than gut, but if 3 different guts said the same thing, can we ignore it?

Dom wrote:So are we gonna discuss who to lynch or idly mention names until it's time to throw a vote together?

It looks like the following is possible for Scarecrow (if we wanna go that route, and I don't think it's a bad idea):
DH
Dom
Juliets
LoRab
SVS

Just based on no's and no answers.
I'm not scarecrow. Of those, my gut tells me it might be DH, but I don't really have reasons. Maybe SVS? I'm not thinking LoRab. How many lynch votes has she missed?

I have missed 2 lynch votes.

juliets wrote: Votes:
Day 1 - Bubbles; Day 2 - Nero; Day 3 - no one; Day 4 - MP; Day 5 - sprityo; Day 6 - No one; Day 7 - sprityo; Day 8 - Glorf; Day 9 - DF;

One impression I had before starting was that Lorab talked about Bubbles a lot and that was borne out be looking at her posts. Though I didn't detail every post I think it's fair to say most of her posting has been about Bubbles. She does bring a few additional people into her line of suspicion like sprityo, Nero, Glorfindel, and Matt. One thing she did not address in her suspicions of Bubbles which i will ask her right away is why she thinks Bubbles voted Wayne Manor 4 times. Her suspicions of the other people she voted seemed true though that first (I believe) sprityo vote did also strike me as a little bit drive-by.

Looking at her votes is where I got the biggest surprise. When you read her posts you see her voting for other people but still I somehow expected there would be a lot more votes for bubbles than there actually were. I think this shows something she said in the thread which that she was really back and forth with bubbles more than her posting would reflect.

All in all, I didn't see anything that would tell me Lorab was a baddie. We are all different however so I'm curious if others see baddieness in these posts, or if I left something important out that points to her baddieness (I had to leave some things out that i judged to be not important but could have made a mistake there).

Also, Lorab if there is anything you see that you feel unfairly represents you please point that out. It could be i misunderstood something or your position on something.

Ok now I have to go decide who to vote for.

thank you for that. Just quoted the end bit. It's a bit odd reading a summary of your own behavior, lol. And I think you accurately express everything. I didn't realize I talked so much about Bubbles, but I do realize that I've had some level of suspicion of her since day 1, so it doesn't particularly surprise me.

Dom wrote:Juliets, I appreciate the ISO. I remember only having one negative thought on LoRab and it was something about lack of attention to detail. Her oversight was on DFaraday, but it was in regards to Bubbles... not sure how I feel about that.

the main thing that got me suspecting him was that he went back on what he had said about Bubbles, essentially and that his post about her wasn't accurate. I wasn't explaining myself very well and I'm not sure how to explain it differently. It wasn't that I didn't understand what he meant, it was that he was twisting his own words. But, it turns out I was right to suspect him, so....

As for your question of bubbles voting wayne manor multiple times, the fact is I'm not sure. I could be wrong. Or she could not be paying attention to what is in the recordings. Even if I am right, maybe she wasn't listening to a BTSC partner. Or, maybe (and I'm throwing out hypotheticals here), her partner suggested that she keep voting the same in order that she appears to be less engaged, and decide that learning things at the same pace as the civs was less of a risk than letting making sure they got more information.

On an entirely different note, people keep saying that we know there's no kill tonight, but do we? I recall that the host answer to that question was ambiguous...I hope there's no kill, clearly, but I'm not certain that is the case.

Also, I have not been scarecrowed. I say that overtly because people are speculating and while it may make me seem suspicious for not having been targeted, I think it would be worse to hide that fact. Also, I'll throw out there, that scarecrow could very well have not targeted anyone on one night and pretend that he had been targeted and allude to that fact in the thread. If I were that role, I'd at least consider playing it that way. Just an option to put out there that people who have been scarecrowed are not necessarily not scarecrow.

Golden wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Golden wrote:I won't be voting Matt.

LoRab, DH, bubbles and dom are really the options, for me. I don't think Typh or Bullz are bad or Scarecrow.

I'm not bad. Last I asked, you said you weren't that suspicious of me and that it was a numbers thing. Is that still your reason?

Yep. You are probably still least suspicious to me of that group.

Glad to see that, because i'm not bad. So curious on your thinking about who everyone is. Do you think there are only 3 baddies/bad indies left in the game?

Golden wrote:

Bubbles wrote:city hall sounds like an interesting location so i'm voting that. also sorry for missing the last vote and the lack of thread-related posts, i haven't been keeping up with the thread
but for now dom seems more vocal than usual

I realize your question of which post seemed informed was to Dom, but as I also hold that opinion, I wanted to point out that this post is the post that seemed the most to me was getting information from somewhere other than the thread. This was the post I pointed out much earlier in the game, IIRC in a conversation with you, actually.

In this post, she says that she has not been keeping up with the thread and also makes a comment about how much another player is posting.

That said player is not known for being quiet is another odd point, but I still don't see (and no one has offered an explanation) how a player who has not been keeping up could know the relative posting amount of another player.

Golden wrote:Her first post, though:

Bubbles wrote:hi all! *waves* i'm picking wayne's manor because i'm a goodie and it sounds like a civ option

Like, compare this to A World Reborn, where she wasn't willing to directly say she was a civ until pushed to, eg...

Bubbles wrote:@a2thezebra no

@turniphead am i bad? go by my track record!

She was bad there.

In Recruitment, where she started as neutral and wasn't civ...

Bubbles wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

TinyBubbles wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

TinyBubbles wrote:POST. hi everyone

POST. I see you voted. Any reason you chose the one you did?

not really, it's just the first number so why not start at the beginning
since we are going to cycle through all 5 positions anyway
and I like the number 1 :P

That was my reasoning, copycat. Are you bad?

yes, i'm evil. badder than you could ever suspect! better lynch me now, doo eet.
actually i thought the position 1 also had many protector - ish options, compared to some of the other positions.

But in all her other games, where she has been civ... she has said things exactly like her first Arkham quote. Claiming she was good/civ/town.

The reason I find Bubbles good, is because I think she has trouble lying about being town if she isn't.

Having said that... one thing that didn't occur to me sooner. If she is civ I think she is cop. If she is cop, she could have been recruited after this point.

As an alternate theory, she has learned from experience. I was a crappy baddie the first time I was bad (also my first game). But we learn from experience. Her first post when she was bad was part of the case against her, if I recall. Maybe she learned from experience and consciously wrote a different kind of first post this time. Or, as you point out the possibility of, she is a cop who was recruited.

Enrique wrote:Controversial request, and I'm sure it's gonna stir some shit against me, but can we pls try to get the Scarecrow either today or tomorrow (since fortunately there's no mafia kill tonight)? If that fucker ends up dying at night that's really gonna suck for some people, and the player pool is just getting smaller so he may as well be winning.

It's not me, I'm pretty damn sure it's not MP, it's probably not any of Bass/Bubbles/ekeknat/Equivocate. I don't think it's Dom, Golden, juliets or S~V~S. That leaves me with:

Bullzeye
DH
Lorab
Matt
Typhoony

I think Matt is the least likely candidate to give us a negative result, it's true that the guy has been doing nothing but distracting us with his crackpot theories while we let him slide through the game. Also sorry I meant to post something like this hours ago but I got sidetracked and only now got around finishing this post. Let's lynch Matt.

I am not Scarecrow. I'm willing to consider lynching scarecrow (for that matter, I'm willing to lynch all of the inmates, since there is a civ who needs each of them dead, and I believe in supporting the civ cause overall), but as others have said, I need more information of how you got to your list of possibilites.

Golden wrote:I won't be voting Matt.

LoRab, DH, bubbles and dom are really the options, for me. I don't think Typh or Bullz are bad or Scarecrow.

I'm not bad. Last I asked, you said you weren't that suspicious of me and that it was a numbers thing. Is that still your reason?

Matt wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Matt wrote:I see Dom replied, but didn't give me any examples of coasting.

DH said he didn't think I was bad and is now making jokes (?) about lynching me.

Lorab and juliets didn't respond to my post at all.

K.

I'm deciding if I believe your role hint or not.

While you're debating, can you respond to this then...

Matt wrote:Lorab - Yeah, Enrique was target painting the fuck out of me by claiming I was Batman. I also refuted being Batman several times and asked Enrique to stop. It doesn't mean I'm Batman.

You sussed me because you thought I was faking being an important role (umm no btw, I've been pretty clear I don't since Enrique accused me of targeting the Joker), but as I pointed out, I never faked such a thing. However, Enrique was target painting me. It's irrelevant whether he was correct or not (he wasn't), the point still stands that's what he was doing. I just want to know if you still suss me because of that.

juliets - Okey dokey. I think it's pretty curious you went after me for that, but maybe you're on the real.

A few things before I head out...

DH - My case on you was wrong. Still, why'd you wait until Night 8 to go to Arkham Asylum?

Dom - Why did you suss me for voting DH when he was silenced? I had no idea he was, and even if I did have an idea that he was, that would make me totes civ, so what's up on that front?

Anywho, I'm out. Good luck tonight town!

I don't think you were role claiming an important role then--I think that your reactions then don't make a lot of sense if you are a vanilla role that doesn't need to be alive to win the game. I also don't think that he was painting a target on you by saying you might be a role that also doesn't need to be alive to win and is more of a threat to indies than to mafia. I also think that his overall point was that you were civ, not that you were a particular role. My point is not that you were role claiming. My point is that your reaction implies that you are a role that really doesn't want to be killed--and has a lot on the line. I don't see your reaction as being consistent with the role you now claim.

That said, I don't often understand where your thoughts come from (not a criticism, just an observation), so I'm taking that into consideration.

Dom wrote:MAtt I don't think you knew he was silenced, I think you didn't care if he was silenced. Everyone else had a sense of caution about that but you.

Additionally, I don't think you're civ. I don't think qualifying that suspicion further is helpful.

Did I miss/forget a Matt role hint?

In his long response post last night/this morning he claimed to be a cop.