The Syndicate

Thank you sooooooooo much for hosting this, MP! This game was an absolute blast to play despite the fact that I was literally a vanilla civvie the entire game. It was so weird for people to have so much info and to personally feel so in the dark since nothing happened to me at night (at least that I know of).

I was devastated when I helped lynch Mongoose and she turned out to be Penny. I really wanted her to be Catherine Martell appearing as Penny because I wanted to become part of a civ ninja team so bad. I can't believe both me and Mongoose lasted as long as we did without ever gaining BTSC. Such a shame!

So juliets was Fetus? But Creeper killed her? What happened there?

Nev you played an amazing game as Zodac. One thing I've been curious about, how were you so sure I was civvie? Did it have to do with the numbers of civs, mafia, and indys before I died versus after?

Good game everyone!!! And congratulations to all of the winners.

I want them both to win so I voted Boomslang on the off-chance of forcing a tie (there's still plenty of people left to vote!).

This game was amazing.

RIP Hedgeowl, I think you were good based on reading back and some things you said.

Good game, Elohcin! You almost had me convinced we were wrong about you!

So the game isn't over. Does that mean we need to take care of Cohen? Or is there another baddie unaccounted for?

Those buttons have me scared.

I guess I suck too, then. *Votes Elohcin* If she's not Creeper then some shenanigans have gone down for sure.

I agree, Creeper's decision to kill SD was odd. I see what Hedge might be hinting at, but like you said, Nev, if she was the original target last night, that doesn't make much sense either.

I am trying to look at things from every angle. The only Kate voter's who are still alive are bea, birdwithteeth, and Spacedaisy. But when bea voted for Kate, she was a civvie (assuming we are certain she was civvie before her suicide and rezz?). We know BWT's role so unless something really funky has happened there, I think he can be cleared of being a baddie. And I've pointed out why I don't think SD makes much sense as a Video Game baddie. Plus with her recent death and rezz, there is a civvie role that makes more sense.

I skimmed back through Hedgeowl's posts and she has never been insanified, doesn't appear to have been Homestar Runnered, and hasn't been targeted at night for a kill. So there might be something there.

One thing I considered is players who have missed votes. I know when I am on a team I am much more careful about voting because I have a team relying on my vote. Hedgeowl has missed two votes, but Elohcin, who has been mostly absent from discussion this game, has never missed a vote.

I am going to carefully read back through some people's posts. I was ready to vote Hedge until her latest post which has given me pause.

Question to everyone: Do you think there's a chance Dr. Fetus is dead already? I've been pondering if were dealing with a lone baddie in Creeper right now.

S~V~S, how would you have us play differently? I am not using anything that isn't 100% available in the game thread to form my theories and opinions. Yes, MP might be screwing with us, but where's the evidence of that? So far I think almost everything that has happened this game can be explained by reading the roles.

I do agree there may be secrets we're not privy to. And if there are I think it's based on potential prizes that have been handed out (e.g. the MacGyver contest). Did bea come back a non-civvie when she was recruited? Maybe, I certainly can't rule it out. But the reason I am still leaning towards trusting her is that she was the lone defender of Mongoose. And since Mongoose all but admitted to rezzing her, and was civvie, then I'm not sure it makes sense that bea came back as bad.

What do you think about Hedgeowl? Or Elohcin? I waver back and forth between placing my vote on one of them, but I can't decide. Do you think we should take a chance on Boomslang today? I don't want to waste a lynch and give Creeper another night to kill, but I'm open to discussion on this.

What I quoted had nothing to do with Moriarty's role.

Jack Torrence - [The Shining] – Can post his thoughts to the thread each night. If found by Delbert Grady, they gain BTSC and a nightly kill, changing Jack's alignment.

Jack is like a gossip role. Since Jack was dead, then another role was responsible for that gossip.

This is the part of the Night 9 post that has me pondering DF.

MovingPictures07 wrote:The players then walked over to the bus, ready to head to Illinois. Then, familiarly, it started raining papers, which read:

"I feel pretty confident that DF is a civvie. Also Bea and DH are pretty trustworthy, imo. Not so sure about BWT..."

The papers were signed by Jack Torrence. "Wait... wasn't Jack Vompatti??? And wasn't he dead???" inquired juliets. The champions pondered.

At this point Vompatti had already been lynched as Jack. So that occurrence either had to come from the Sinister Exaggerator, or a civvie role that can take on another role's power. Since we are fairly certain at this point that the Manipulators are no more, then it stands to reason DF isn't part of that team. So the question you have to ask yourself, is would the Sinister Exaggerator write a scene saying someone appears civvie if that person isn't their teammate? Or is there a more friendly explanation for the message on the papers?

I know I flip-flopped on the Martell issue. It's because I was really, really surprised that Mongoose was Penny. So I sort of had a moment of doubt that it was true.

RIP and welcome back Spacedaisy. I suppose prizes could be in play, but considering I had already started thinking you weren't bad based on your past votes, I feel good about this.

Right now my top two suspects are Hedgeowl and Elohcin, plus a little bit of Boomslang. There isn't really evidence directly supporting either of them as being bad, but the timing of Hedgeowl's vote for Epi on Day 5 does make me think she could have been using that vote to distance. I will read back and see if she was consistent in suspecting Epi, or if that was a one time thing.

Also, as was pointed out earlier, Epignosis is pretty loud and proud about defending his wife when she's a civvie. That never happened this game. Is it because they were once again baddie teammates? Gonna read back through Epi and Elohcin's posts as wel to see if anything jumps out.

I feel like bea went very quiet after Mongoose's death. Could be she's just busy, or maybe just mad that we didn't listen to her, which is fair enough.

I am not against lynching baddies, I am against wasting lynches on unlynchable roles. Yesterday Boomslang unlynchable. So forgive me if I didn't want to waste a day lynching him.

At this point, my big question marks are Hedgeowl, Elohcin, Spacedaisy, and DFaraday in order of most unsure of to unsure of but can see how they could be a civvie.

I was totally shocked that Mongoose was Penny. I didn't see that coming at all. And it sucks.

If Nev is right and Boomslang is Cohen then I don't see why he's such a threat. This is Cohen's role description:

Sander Cohen – [Bioshock] – Controller and head of Fort Frolic, Cohen is an artist gone mad, to say the least. Now that he has finished his masterpiece, the Quadytch, he is content, only angered by those who dare to doubt him. He survives the first two attempts on his life, whether by lynch or by nightkill. Every odd night, he may use his camera to take a picture of any deceased individual, revealing their role to him. Wins by surviving, but only if everyone else alive has never doubted him.

Only 3 people have voted for Boomslang this entire game--Mongoose, bea, and Elohcin. So he's only technically a threat to bea and Elohcin at this point, except not really because he has no night kill. He has to hope we lynch them. So I don't understand why he's such a threat if that is his role.

If he's actually Fetus, then he's not lynchable until BWT succeeds in his nightly search. And as I pointed out to Elohcin, unless BWT was lying yesterday (which would be strange for him to do as a civvie), then Fetus wasn't lynchable yesterday.

Since we've never lynched a member of a mafia team yet this game, it's much harder to draw connections.

Based on Creeper performing the last two kills, it appears the Manipulators are no more (tonight might further cement that theory). That means only Video Game baddies are still alive. We know Creeper is alive. And seems like Fetus probably is too. We have been working with the assumption that Epignosis was Pirahna Plant based on when we last saw the PP written into a lynch post and the timing of his death. If that is true, then SD seems unlikely to have been his teammate because she voted for him in past lynches. She voted for him on Day 5 and Day 6. Day 5 Epi had 6 votes to llama's 10. On Day 6 Epi received 5 votes to Vomps' 7 votes.

However, in looking at that, I noticed that Hedgeowl voted for Epignosis on Day 5 and gave him is 6th vote. But timing-wise, she was the last player to vote in the lynch and llama already had 10 votes. So perhaps she was placing a vote on a teammate since she knew he wouldn't get lynched by that point. So I think Hedgeowl is a likely candidate for Creeper or Fetus (note however, she voted to rezz me, not Kate, which is interesting, that gives me some pause).

Elohcin has been acting strange to me since she received a lot of votes a couple of days ago. I've already said that I think her reaction fits with her being Cohen, but Nev seems so sure Boomslang isn't Fetus and I can't figure out any other way Boomslang could have survived a lynch.

DFaraday is a big question mark for me. But there was something in the Night 9 post and his reaction to my questioning it makes me think he's probably a civvie.

So I guess if I had to suggest someone, I'm leaning towards Hedgeowl.

S~V~S, where are you looking? I know you voted for Bea yesterday. Does the reveal of Mongoose's role change that for you?

MacGyver doesn't look for Penny. Penny looks for MacGyver. If Mongoose had found MacGyver, she would have had back up in the thread and Bea, the only person actively defending her, is not MacGyver. MacGyver is basically a vanilla civvie without Penny finding him.

Elohcin, I can't fathom why you are pushing this lynch Boomslang stuff so much. The facts show he wasn't lynchable yesterday. If Boomslang is Cohen, he isn't a direct threat (except to those who voted him--of which you are one, is that the reason you want to lynch him so badly?). If he is Fetus, according to BWT he wasn't lynchable yesterday. Do you think BWT was lying?

Cohen doesn't have a NK. So why do you perceive him as such a threat?

As for Percy's NK, I thought that came from Delbert. Am I getting this confused? That kill couldn't have come from MacGyver because we'd have been seeing an extra night kill for awhile now.

*Linki*

Lizzy wrote:Well poop on a grenade. I had her at Penny/MacG for a few seconds, but then someone I thought might be one of the two, phrased something in such a way that killed it for me. MacGyver should try and have a successful kill tonight if they're still alive.

Based on how the roles are written, I think Penny had to find MacGyver for the awesome civvie ninja stuff to happen. Looks like Penny never accomplished that goal.

Or Catherine Martell?

If she really was Penny that sucks. I can't help but feel skeptical.

RIP Mongose. Disappointing and surprising result.

I voted Mongoose. I'm watching TV and didn't want to lose track of time and miss the vote later.

Yesterday Mongoose, Bea, and Elohcin voted for Boomslang. Elohcin came across sounding like either an indy who just had their win condition made almost impossible, or a very frustrated civvie. Bea has been giving me some squirrelly vibes so it's possible something is off with her, I'm undecided on that front.

Lizzy, Timmer, and Hedgeowl voted for Mongoose yesterday. I feel certain Lizzy is Mycroft and I totally trusted Timmer. Hedgeowl I go back and forth on. But at least two people I trust voted for Mongoose and think she's up to no good.

Of the Elohcin voters, Nev thinks Boomslang is Cohen (I'm not sure, but I don't think Boomslang is civvie at this point), Nev I trust, S~V~S I trust, SD I am leaning towards trusting because she went after Epig who was likely PP, and myself.

So I guess my big question marks are Mongoose, Hedgeowl, and Elohcin with me leaning towards voting for Mongoose based on cases brought against her and not being able to pin her down as trustworthy.

*Linki* Oh, forgot about DF since he didn't vote. He hinted at something that makes me inclined to trust him for now, but he also goes on my question-mark list.

I don't see how it would provide any info. If he survived once, he'll survive again and the same roles will be considered. And if he is Cohen, like Nev thinks, then he's not as immediate a threat as Creeper or Fetus.

I am torn on who to vote for today.

I think he's bad too. But the question is, is he lynchable?

Yeah, if the Manipulators are completely eliminated then that would explain Creeper's odd night killing. I didn't mean to confuse. I think the Manipulators are no more, but I proposed an alternative explanation just in case. This is a complex game and I want to look at things from every angle.

I really don't think Boomslang survived for a civvie reason unless prizes were involved.

The only reason to continue focusing on Boomslang today is if there's a chance he's Fetus. As Cohen he's not a threat (except I suppose he will want to see the three people who voted for him lynched or NKed so he can meet his win condition).

But right now, I think it serves us better to figure out who Creeper or Fetus are.

As for teams merging and how powers work, I guess it depends on the host, but in my experience if teams merge, one role maintains the kill, it doesn't alternate between the killers from the original two teams. Granted, I don't think Catherine is alive, so it's probably a moot point, but I don't think we'd necessarily see a kill from the Manipulators if the teams merged. Also, in my experience when there are two days in a row, and thus a night is missed, the team that would have killed on that night is just out of luck. It's happened to me and it stinks, but I have never seen a host keep the original odd/even count separate from a double day or double night. That's too complicated.

Nevinera wrote:Wouldn't Catherine have gotten moriartys kill if she were still in?

Yes, but if the teams got merged then I was assuming the kill would stay with Creeper. I don't think Catherine is alive, but I figured the possibility should at least be considered.

RIP Timmer, pretty sure you were civvie based on everything that's happened.

So Creeper killed Timmer! That must mean Manipulators are no more! Or they merged and Catherine is still alive and with the Video Game baddies now?

As for Boomslang, are the only known ways to currently survive a lynch MacGyver, Fetus, or Cohen? If those are the only 3 possibilities, then I would feel fine for Boomslang today if we can't come to a better decision. I don't think he survived for civvie reasons (unless, S~V~S, are you saying Boomslang got a lynch survive prize from one of your contests?). I've read back through the roles and don't see any other possibilities.

bea wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:The only thing I don't like about TImmer's scenarios is that he has me as likely bad in 3 of the 4. I am not bad. *pouts*

why is he wrong in that analysis then?

I didn't say the analysis was wrong. I was joking about disliking that he has me as potentially bad in the majority of the scenarios. But seriously, of all people I am not going to slam an analysis like that. I love analyses and it's a good one. I just don't like that he keeps assuming I'm bad (something he felt before he did that analysis).

I personally think Elohcin makes a ton of sense as Cohen because it would explain her OTT reaction to taking votes yesterday and playing so utterly under the radar all game long. Timmer didn't take that possibility into account with his analysis.

Scenario 2 looks plausible to me. If Boomslang is bad then based on votes Timmer thinks either I or SD are a teammate of his. Well, I've been suspicious of SD for quite some time so that fits in my mind. I didn't have anything in the thread connecting them other than they both suspected Epignosis this game. However, at the end of his Proposition #2 he says that if Boomslang is bad, then at least 2 out of me, SD, and Hedge are his teammates. But what team has 3 members left on it? Perhaps the Manipulators, except based on MP's Night 9 post I think Rumple had already died (he wasn't mentioned among the list of baddies playing poker). So that would leave at most Moriarty and Catherine. And we are fairly sure Pirahna Plant is dead (not mentioned in Poker Scene, haven't scene a PP kill, probably was Epig) leaving only Creeper and Fetus on Team 2. So unless the teams have merged (or a recruit has happened that we don't know about?), there isn't a mafia team with 3 members alive on it.

Scenario 3 also looks plausible. I think Mongoose might very well be bad based on multiple different pieces of evidence brought against her in the thread. And again SD, Boom, or Hedgeowl are implicated. (I am too, but I know I'm not bad).

Scenario 4 I don't agree with. Because he says if that's the case then the only remaining suspects are SD, me, and Hedgeowl. I think there are more than two mafia left alive (by my estimation it's 3 minimum) and again, I know I'm not bad.

Best case scenario, Rumpel's lack of appearance in Night 9 post means he's dead, Devin was Martell, not Lucy and Moriarty has died. That would mean Manipulators are no more. And if juliets was Creeper, then only one baddie remains, Fetus. I'd love to believe that, but I don't think we're that lucky.

Worst case, Martell, Moriarty, Creeper, and Fetus are alive. Meaning we're dealing with 4 more mafia. This seems more plausible to me, but I'm very hopeful that one or both of the Manipulators have died.

So I guess of Timmer's scenarios, Scenario 3 makes the most sense to me.

I was not trying to save anyone with my vote. I held my vote because I honestly couldn't decide who I suspected the most as there weren't really strong cases against anyone. Just little pings and gut feelings. I went with Elohcin because I felt like of all my suspects, she'd played the least civvie-like game. And as I've stated, I feel that her response easily fits with the frustration of an indy getting this close to the end without taking hardly any votes, then suddenly receiving a ton which, if she is Cohen, will make her win condition incredibly difficult now.

The only thing I don't like about TImmer's scenarios is that he has me as likely bad in 3 of the 4. I am not bad. *pouts*

@BWT: The mafia teams were merged when I played Six Feet Under on RM. I know I've seen it happen in other games, but that one immediately popped into my head because I was the last baddie on my team and got merged with DP who was the last baddie on his team.

I agree that Mongoose doesn't look any better after yesterday's lynch.

And I also think Elohcin as Cohen makes sense because a role like Cohen would not take getting votes this late in the game very well I wouldn't think.

Elohcin, I didn't say meh to you. I sighed at the situation. Making this personal is really not cool with me. If I'm wrong then I'm truly sorry (and based on the last few minutes it seems like I made a bad decision), but saying "fuck you" to us and waiting until the last minute to start posting and getting so angry that you received votes just seems unfair.

I am fine with voting Elohcin. She has been lurking for the past half hour or so and not posted and her lack of defense didn't make me feel better.

*Linki* Geez!

timmer wrote:Home now. I'm not sure of anything right now. I'll pretty much be voting on gut. Df, fh or Boom. Right now I'm debating between: the chance that boom really just didn't get a bunch of things about bwt etc., the fact that fh is usually pretty feisty when she starts getting eyed as a baddie, and df's general blendiness which isnt far off from his norm.

If you look at my posts over the course of this game, you'll notice a trend. I typically post more in the mornings, on weekdays. That's because I get into work, drink my coffee, catch up on the thread, then post a bit. I don't post as much when I'm at home because I am doing other things and I post even less on the weekends.

I just happened to see my name brought up for "quietness" by something like 3 or 4 different people when I was drinking my coffee this morning. It honestly irked me. I am constantly accused not of being quiet, but of "being more quiet than usual". What is my so-called norm that everyone in every game is comparing my playstyle to? This game is not a first for it. So yeah, maybe I was a bit feisty this morning. But it has no bearing on my alliegiance one way or another in this game (I'm a civvie for what it's worth), it has to do with being tired of hearing the same thing in game after game that truly makes no sense to me.

@bea: I feel like if your trust of Mongoose relies on her implying she rezzed you then that is exactly why a baddie would do it. For the WIFOM. Obviously, she could be a civvie, so it's certainly not something I would use to condemn her, but I also wouldn't jump to trusting her because of that either.

DF said something earlier that I felt potentially hinted to his role which has given me pause for suspecting him at the moment. Though he could be pulling the wool over my eyes.

I am torn between voting for Mongoose who is getting defense from a few people but has some decent evidence supporting her as a baddie and Elohcin who has floated entirely under the radar and didn't even really defend herself earlier.

I also am still really uncertain about Boomslang and Spacedaisy. There are some things I found in reading back through their posts that made me feel a little bit better, but not enough to take them off my list entirely. Still too many question-marks.

And my gut still tells me Hedgeowl is good, but I am not at all confident about that.

*Linki* Lots of it, bea, that's what has given me pause about DF...

@Elohcin: Funny you make that point. I think the lack of Epig claiming "Elohcin is a civ. Trust! " is actually not in your favor. I feel like Epignosis would jump at the chance to gain some civvie cred if you were actually a civvie.

However, that being said, I have no other read on you and don't feel like I can connect you to any players, so my pings about you have more to do with just not feeling like you're playing like a civvie.

Thanks for the response, DF.

I checked back on voting records and saw that SD voted two days in row to lynch Epignosis, and one of those days he came close to getting lynched (he had 5 votes to Vomps' 7 votes). So I think it's less likely that she's a Video Game Baddie. She could still be a Manipulator and my original ping had to do with her socks post. So at this point she's still a question mark for me, but I feel better about her not being Creeper or Fetus.

I read back through all of Elohcin's posts. There is so little substance there. The only think I took from it is that she's not Percy because she was very suspicious of BDH and even voted for him.

On to more reading!

*Woah, linki world!*

Nevinera wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:I was thinking about juliets and Creeper killing her. Could juliets have been Creeper and last night she exploded hoping to take down 4 people with her? The 2 players above her and 2 players below her alphabetically are me, Hedgeowl, Lizzy, and Mongoose. Lizzy is a civvie and I'm a civvie, not 100% certain on Hedge or Mongoose at this point. But if there was no chance of taking out a teammate by doing it, that would have been an excellent way to remove 4 players.

I think that's fairly unlikely. But possible - I guess we can't assume the creeper is still alive.
Keep in mind though that the expectation outcome was removing *one* of those four players.
Each one got a 25% kill chance. I don't think trading 1-for-1 would tactically be a smart move at this point;
that seems like something that would only ever happen if creeper was about to be lynched (at *any* time, it said).

The way I'm reading Creeper's role is that if Creeper chooses to explode, he has a 25% chance of taking out 4 players. It doesn't look like it's 25% chance each. Was this clarified by MP and I just missed it? I did a search of his posts for the word "Creeper" and didn't see him answer a question about that.

I'm not trying to push the theory because I don't think it's that likely, but we appear to have different understandings of how Creeper's power works and it'd be good to know for sure what it is. If MP clarified this can you please provide a link?

I know some people might feel like we've gone over the "voted to rezz Kate" list countless times, but at this point, since we know Creeper is alive and very likely Dr. Fetus too I figured it could help sort through the names.

Kate voters:
Mongoose - ?
bea - civvie?
Epig - appears to have been Pirahna Plant so his vote makes sense
llama - Delbert, indy
SD - ?
Devin - Lucy*
BWT - Meat Boy
juliets - ? [killed by Creeper so unless she was Creeper and self-exploded, she's off this list too]
Vomps - Jack
Bullzeye (Timmer) - civvie?
Aces - Mr. Ibis

So if all of her living teammates voted to rezz her, then the narrowed down list is Mongoose and SD as potential teammates.

*I am posting as thoughts come to me because there is so much complexity to this game, but since Devin was killed as a result of Zodac "breaking a tie", his death is technically a lynch. So if he was Catherine Martell, he'd have gotten to choose a role to appear as. What do people think about him being revealed as Lucy?

*Linki* Another player calling me quiet? BWT, you only have about 15 posts more than me!

I feel like I need to respond to this better. I have never been a huge poster. Sure, over a four-year period of playing, there is the occasional game that I post like fiend. But on the whole I am someone that usually only posts when I feel I have something important or new to contribute to the thread. And when I do post, my posts tend to be fairly long. I am a very analytical person and spend a lot of time thinking. So just because my post count doesn't rival people like DH and Epi doesn't mean I'm not still contributing on a regular basis to the game. Perhaps this should be in off-topic because I am accused of being "more quiet than usual" in almost every game I play and I find myself questioning why this keeps happening to me.

I was thinking about juliets and Creeper killing her. Could juliets have been Creeper and last night she exploded hoping to take down 4 people with her? The 2 players above her and 2 players below her alphabetically are me, Hedgeowl, Lizzy, and Mongoose. Lizzy is a civvie and I'm a civvie, not 100% certain on Hedge or Mongoose at this point. But if there was no chance of taking out a teammate by doing it, that would have been an excellent way to remove 4 players.

Occam's Razor tells me that theory is not likely to be true. But it popped into my head and I wanted to see what everyone else thought.

Also, I was reading back through some of MP's night posts and the scene in this one stood out to me. The baddies are gathered around playing poker. Catherine Martell, Moriarty, Creeper, and Dr. Fetus are mentioned, as well as Sander Cohen. Is that a hint that as of Night 9, those roles were all still alive? It true, then Rumpelstiltskin is dead and it confirms our belief that Big Daddy and Pirahna Plant are dead.

Also, there was this:

MovingPictures07 wrote:The players then walked over to the bus, ready to head to Illinois. Then, familiarly, it started raining papers, which read:

"I feel pretty confident that DF is a civvie. Also Bea and DH are pretty trustworthy, imo. Not so sure about BWT..."

The papers were signed by Jack Torrence. "Wait... wasn't Jack Vompatti??? And wasn't he dead???" inquired juliets. The champions pondered.

Was this the work of the sinister exaggerator, or something else?

Sorry that people think I've been uncharacteristically quiet. I think I've been about normal for myself (this notion that I'm a talkative player makes me laugh because I am rarely a top poster in games).

I'll do a list too!

bea - trust, I think she's a civvie

BWT - trust, civvie

Boomslang - have zero read on which at this point in the game is unsettling

DFaraday - chuckled when he posted that I've been quiet, I don't have any read on DF at the moment

Elohcin - I honestly keep forgetting she's playing she's been that under the radar, and since I think Epignosis was bad, I don't know if I can trust his civvie read of Elohcin as being true or not

Hedgeowl - I've been feeling good about her, but it's totally a gut thing

Lizzy - trust, civvie

Mongoose - had some minor pings, but it seems like some people I trust, trust her, so I'm willing to do the same

Nevinera - trust, I have outlined the reasons for that trust before and nothing has happened to change my mind

Spacedaisy - I have felt pings about SD

S~V~S - trust, civvie

Timmer - trust, I think he's a civvie

I am going to read back on Boomslang, DF, Elohcin, Hedgeowl, Mongoose, and Spacedaisy and see if I can formulate stronger opinions one way or another.

I'm loving this game, but wow is it doing my head in.

So like many others, I absolutely thought bea was Meat Boy after her suicide and resurrection. I see that some other ideas are bouncing around now about her that might possibly fit.

RIP and welcome back, BWT.
RIP and welcome back (again), BWT.

RIPIYWG blindfaeth and DH.

RIP Devin.

I trust that all of the civvies we've seen lynched are actually the roles they appeared to be. I think either Catherine hasn't been lynched yet, or she was night-killed (*fingers crossed*).

Hedgeowl wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:If that's true bwt, then Bea warrants a reread.

Word. But I dont understand how that would be possible given the suicide and the BdH defense. Something isnt adding up...

Linki so do we think bdh really is thomas? Or cathy?

Since he was mod-killed and not lynched, I doubt he'd have gotten to choose a role to appear as if he was Catherine Martell. I was attributing BDH's intense defense of bea to the same way that Epi always goes to bat for Elohcin.

Damn--I didn't realize the poll was ending early today.

If BWT is claiming the role I think he's claiming then I have definitely got to reevaluate some things. Though I guess the lynch post will prove whether he's lying or not.

By the way, I worded that question about BF to DH since I was responding to his post, but I welcome anyone's opinion/input.

DharmaHelper wrote:

juliets wrote:DH, just a quick note, I wasn't one of the people who said supper.

To err is human

I think I'm burning myself out trying to keep up with all this analysis. I'm sorry! I'm still not quite comfortable with clearing you as a civ though.

Linki - Yeah FH. I'm just pointing out that there are two (or I guess were two) paths to JC being a mafia.

True, I agree there is evidence supporting Epi and juliets being teammates on either team. I thought Epi's use of 'supper' was really compelling evidence coupled with bea's use of it the same day (super=supper), but now it's pretty clear bea is civvie which kind of put a damper on that theory.

What do you think of blindfaeth this game?

Something that has kind of pinged me is how I have taken light heat off and on this game for my not-an-analysis analysis I did of the Day 0 poll. Blindfaeth was the one who asked me to do it, but never defended me when people grilled me on it. Since BF has been so low key this game, part of me has wondered if his asking me to do that maybe wasn't as innocent as it seemed.

If Epignosis was Pirahna Plant (which it looks like he might have been) then if juliets is a teammate of Epi's she'd have to be Creeper or Fetus which makes the Rumple analysis of her posts a moot point (different baddie teams).

Glad you're back S~V~S.

RIP BDH, sucks to lose you.

At the moment I'm still feeling wary of SD and to a lesser extent, JC. I tend to always read juliets as civvie, but I feel like there are little things here and there that feel off. I'm also beginning to wonder about blindfaeth. To be this far into the game and have no read on him is giving me the heebie jeebies.

@bea: I went back and looked to see which polls BDH missed voting it and it was only Day 1 and Day 2. Both of those days his +3 vote wouldn't have been noticeable (as in he couldn't have created an unwanted tie with his vote or put someone else in the lead of the top vote getter). In fact, from looking at his votes, it doesn't appear that his vote would have changed the outcome of any lynch.

Glad the shenanigans from yesterday have been explained. And hopefully we can get SVS back.

I voted Illinois because it has Chicago which has the Field Museum which I really, really want to visit.

@BF: When you are able to put your finger on what about me gives you slight worries I'll happily try to address it.

RIP S~V~S.

Crazy day.

At least we can finally put the llama stuff to rest. And Day 9...interesting.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Day 8: bea's Anti-Suicide

The voice looked at bea's poor corpse.

"Poor motherfucker... committed suicide and everything. CHAMPIONS DO NOT COMMIT SUICIDE!!!!!!" it declared. But there was nothing it could do about it.

YET nonetheless, something happened. She began breathing. She was back!

The voice was shocked.




bea has been resurrected. She is still ????????.

It is still Day 8.

bea was rezzed Day 8 (after night was over) so that's why she's off the poll.