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I found Matt's quest believable, which is why I didn't vote him yesterday. At it's core, the case on Matt was not predicated on his "quest". Atleast 2 players have to be helping him. Possibly 3. If Timmer only has 2 teammates left, someone else should've gotten a vote in taking him off the poll. @ Everyone: Was anyone asked if they agreed to taking Timmer off the poll? No...

Draco-- I'm voting Trickster because I hope it'll tell us which baddie team the trickster is on. I mean, yes, I would imagine the Trickster is bad, but if he's Cabal, it lends credence to a theory of mine. :...

Sorsha has voted for an awful lot of civilians lately. :ponder: This is awfully convenient. What is this? If we go with Floyd being the last baddie lynched (and I don't think he was actually bad at this point), then we haven't lynched a baddie in 4 Days. Everyone's been voting for an awful lot of civilians lately-- what's your point...

I'd like ot know about the trickster, me thinks...

Sorsha has voted for an awful lot of civilians lately. :ponder: This is awfully convenient...

RIP Matt... I am sorry I was so wrong...

I think all three of you could be bad tbh. I'm still thinking TH > Matt > Dom atm but i haven't voted yet. I'm willing to consider all options. Do any of you think Timmer isn't a baddie? Do you think he's Cabal or Circle? Assuming he's Circle, who do you think his teammates are? He has to have atleast 2 or 3. How do you think he managed to disappear from the poll two times in a row? Thoughts on the Cabal? Thoughts on the Living Statue? Thoughts on SVS? Thoughts on LoRab? I think Timmer is likely bad. I think the theory was Circle-- but it's been a few days. -_- Teammates? Maybe TH... maaaaybe Matt.... not sure. :shrug: Cabal? I'm leaning either SVS or you. :/ SVS more likely. The Living Statue is benevolent. :p SVS-- I'm thinking bad. LoRab-- civ. Oh my. :faint: Dom - What team do you think I'm on? Let's be clear. Dom is right. I didn't think of the consequences of hinting (yes, hinting) at Dom's role, but assuming I'm bad, I guess I'm cleared of being Witherdeath, right? Because they were the ones who targeted you, correct Dom? So that wouldn't make much sense if I knew your role and suggested "Hey let's kill Dom! Derp" So, that must mean I'm Circle of Decay. Do you have me pegged as Circle, Dom? Who are my partners? I don't know what team you're on. I don't have a specific team in mind for you. I could see either working. And Circle targeted me for a kill-- not Witherdeath. You also took the quest upon yourself. I never said "quest". I never asked you to go get it. It was decently far into the game, and I just told you where it started. I said to you, it might have been moved by now-- I believe it had. This is what I meant by vague. I never asked you to do anything at all. I am tearing the rest of my hair out trying to figure you out, Matt. So here it goes. Pants down, bearing all, gun to head, "WHAT TEAM?!" I think Matt, TH, and Timmer are Decay. Possibly Lorab, too, if she's bad. (and that's a fat fucking IF) I think SVS could be the last Cabal, and I think she recruited Dom. So I'm leaving my vote where it is for now for fear of having a mecca-baddie in our future... I mean... What quest? *Draconus pulls his pants back up and zips them up. Realizing how unnecessary that part was, he hurriedly walks out of the room, face bright red.* Linki: I'll get to that later. Draco-- why do I want to lynch SVS, then...

TH - Blah I've been at this for two days straight. Matt is a tired panda. Anyway I'm not quitting by any means, but I can't possibly defend myself any longer, mostly because I don't think any of it is getting through to most of you. Lorab seems like a baddie that's upset Dom outed himself and then blamed me. "Beware the Lorab" - Dr Wilgy November 2015 Never forget! Be back tomorrow before work. Peace all I outed myself? Okay, here's where I'm 2460Done with your bullsuit. You outed my role. You made it PAINFULLY obvious to the several people in the game who didn't know my role. You asked me several times if I had been recruited yet-- a simple read of the roles would tell anyone what you're talking about. You would go from talking about my role to talking about me very casually without really changing the subject-- implying we are both one in the same. You have been anything but subtle. You have done anything but hint. So, yes, I'm frustrated with that. I think you played, honestly, like a jerk. If I had come in the thread and asked you a super specific role question-- you'd be livid. I do know a role you may be assigned. I have reasons to believe that you: 1) may have been recruited, 2) aren't that role at all, or 3) are no longer that role. I argued these things before and without acknowledging any of your claims. However, here's where we really get into the territory of, "You Outed Me". You made super specific claims against me. You listed out events that happened WEEKS ago. You twisted them to make them fit your agenda. You created a narrative that is made of half truths to smear me, and demanded a response from me. I ignored it for several reasons. Your insistence only made me think of you worse because you are destroying a huge opportunity for the civs by spilling all of this and requiring me to acknowledge it. You created this situation, not me. I'm going to kindly ask you to sit the hell down and NOT tell me who outed me. You outed me. I've been outed enough times to know when it's happening. I think you are bad. You have created a story made of half truths trying to make me look bad and anyone who knows that even some of their truth ratings has gotten the picture on my end. If only you knew who had recruited me-- you wouldn't be doing this. Additionally, you implied, in your letter to the Living Statue that you have just no clue who he is. You implied he might be dead. A few days later-- you're sure he's me. But hey! You didn't run into anyone else. You didn't get recruited. You didn't get that information anywhere! And hey! All the people you mentioned as suspects, they're dead too. Strange. Don't attempt to lecture me on role outing. I won't entertain your BS. I think you are bad. I hope everyone votes for you. No, SVS, it's that you haven't given a single reason. I'd like to hear how I could be a periphery baddie. Which team am I on? Don't make such a casual statement with zero reasoning and expect me to not respond. Well you are on the poll today, so several people must think you are a baddie. My point was that you were, IMO, peripheral, perhaps a recruit. And if you are, I have no idea which team you are on. People try to make associations, but they are often wrong, so I don't spend alot of time on that unless the reason I suspect someone is based on interactions. I believe this is the second time I have said this in this game. And I know Lorab trusts you, but I also know Lorab has a big heart and can be easy to trick because she WANTS to believe. I also know Golden trusts Lorab,which has given me pause about her, since I previously suspected her, and also, to a lesser extent, about you. But I know WHY he trusts her; I don't know why she trusts you. Just like she, or you, don't really know why I do NOT. Lets say it is a process of elimination based on a conversation I had with someone now dead. If I ever vote for you, I will tell you why. This post is EXACTLY why I do not trust you SVS...

Going to bed. I feel like I have to let everyone know-- otherwise I might be asked teh same question five times and be treated as if I ignored it each time...

First, Matt, lol no. I never asked you to do anything. You asked me where the item was, I gave you where I last knew it to be, but was not overly enthusiastic about our encounter at all. Dear Living Statue, I fear you are dead or have been turned. Perhaps even stuck forever if the Gem is lost. Nonetheless, I have received word that my destiny lies elsewhere. If you are alive and still an ally, good luck to you brave sir. Perhaps one day we will meet again. Sincerely, Matt F While we're talking about people who lie-- this clearly shows you to be one. ;...

Dom - I don't know what you're talking about because clearly I've been making up stories and so I have no response to you. On that note, stop taking everything so personally. I never assumed you sat at a computer all day, but you were in the thread talking, I asked you a question, and then you vanished. So yeah, I kept asking. Anyway, again, I was smokin' the crack pipe peeps. There is no Spirit Oracle or Paradise Meadows, I was only trying to save myself from certain lynch by feeding you stories. I am civ, though, guaranteed. :beer: You asked five times, each time saying "Dom still hasn't answered this" Bullshit you weren't trying to smear me...

No, SVS, it's that you haven't given a single reason. I'd like to hear how I could be a periphery baddie. Which team am I on? Don't make such a casual statement with zero reasoning and expect me to not respond...

What No U? I voted for TH before, I think the Lich saved him. I'm a periphery baddie...

But yeah, let's worry about Lorab for later. Lynch Dom. "Vague instructions"...Dom, do you call specific coordinates vague instructions? :haha: No. No. No. I told you where I last knew where the item was. I disclaimed that anyone could have taken it and moved it. I NEVER asked you to get it because I NEVER wanted YOU to do it. You are a liar. Oh, my bad. Well anyway, just trying to clear my good name. Guess it won't happen that way. Again, Dom, please elaborate on how specific coordinates are vague instructions. :haha: How many times are you going to ask me before you realize that I don't sit at a computer all day? Oh shit. Golden, I just realized. You have no idea who Dom is do you? You thought he was the Spirit Oracle? Dude, I can think of why his NK failed and believe it or not, this theory goes back to the one I had about Bullz surviving his own teams NKs cuz he had a protect. I won't elaborate, because unlike Dom I don't want to completely give away Dom's role, but... Dude, do you not know who Dom is? Linki - Drac, Tranq, yes that would be wonderful if you voted TH over me. However, I'm telling you, it's almost crunch time. I know I'm civ and I know now that Dom is completely lying about everything, so he is probably a better bet. Buuuut, and no offense Turnip, Turnip is a fine option over me as well. :beer: I know-- it's weird that someone tried to have an ounce of subtlety when it came to referencing another player's role-- you wouldn't know anything about that, so it must be hard for you to process. Who cares who tried to kill him? Scenario 1 off the top of my head - The team who tried to kill him didn't have anyone else to target, so they were like eff it, let's do this and save some face. That's just off the top of my head. But yeah, I can see why you're confused. Let me ask you a question, Golden, do you consider specific coordinates to be "vague instructions" and if so, how do you come to that conclusion? Still waiting for Dom to answer that one :mafia: FIRST of all you don't think it matters who tried to kill me? I do. SECOND of all there's no way there was no one else for the baddies to target that night because I had BTSC with someone that night. THIRD of all YOU ASKED ME THAT FUCKING QUESTION THREE TIMES IN A FEW HOURS WHEN I WAS AT CLASS AND I CANNOT STAND HOW YOU ACT LIKE I IGNORED YOU. STOP. Lorab, just in case there is a lie detect, can you repeat that sentence about Wilgy with the correct spelling? Lorab - If you and others get me lynched and turn up civvie, and here I've been all day telling you that Dom is a liar liar pants on fire, will you be looking at him next? Let me ask you, Lorab, do you consider specific coordinates "vague instructions", and if so, how did you come to that conclusion? Yup, still waiting for Dom to answer that one. :mafia: SVS - Before you come in here and vote for me, I'll ask that you remember several players (including Dom) seemed to turn on you with the snap of the fingers, and I even brought up how curious that was. If you are civvie, I ask that you do not lynch me. Thank you for your time. Linki - No. That's one of the few things I think the hosts would get mad about, so I can't name the specific coordinate. But I'm happy that you agree that specific coordinates are not "vague instructions". Dom, what do you think? FOUR TIMEs. FOUR TIMES!!!!! And specific coordinates as in letter and number? No, that isn't vague. Are you saying that Dom told you what square you should go to? :workit: Dom, would you say that specific coordinates are "vague instructions" ? FIVE TIMES!!!! Oh snap. ATTN: All defenses of myself using the Spirit Oracle are now null and void. Lynch away, my friends. I'm kind of tired of defending. :phew: But lynch Dom next :beer: Just like a court case-- doesn't really matter, does it? The more I read, the more I think I was possibly wrong about Matt the other day. I think TH is more of a core baddie, and Dom more of a peripheral one, so at this point I am voting for TH. I think the Lich is a baddie, and I think the Lich saved him. Nice NO U. ;...

@ LoRab & Matt: Can you look at that list of items and tell me if there are Trickster-type items on there? Items that look like they can take you off the poll? Let me check... Of all the items, the only one that looks like it could be a poll remover is the "Vanisher Cloak". But I'm guessing based on the name. Linki - Oh holy moley. Now you're going to say you never sent me on a quest?! :omg: :omg: :omg: Lynch Dom, you get a bad guy. Guaraneffinteed. Okay, out for food. Be back in a bit. No I didn't. You were really pushy and I gave you vague instructions...

Matt also thinks becuse his "quest was doomed" means I am not civvie?? Like??? What??? If you are a civvie, maybe his quest would be fulfilled... by someone else. In that case, would he be "doomed" and would "dark times" be ahead? He wasn't doomed-- his quest was. Interesting take though. :suspish: He could no longer complete his "quest" that I never sent him on...

Matt also thinks becuse his "quest was doomed" means I am not civvie?? Like??? What??...

I would add that there's also the fourth possibility that your role was baddie from the beginning and my hunch about that role is wrong. So, 3/4 of my options lead to you being bad. Notice how I didn't spell everything out for everyone like that until you literally outed me. Learn some tact...

IF Matt was telling the truth here, he should not know. However, he's hiding something...

NOTE: Matt still hasn't addressed how he knows my role...

Bottom Line: if Matt's story is true he shouldn't know my role. There's more to it than that, but that's the big thing that just makes me more sure he's witholding information. Oh my, you are such a baddie. You've got to be. I'm civ, I'm not lying, you know my role, you accuse me of lying and being bad... Like I said, even if lynched, I'm comforted that you'll be lynched shortly thereafter. :beer: I have three options on your role: 1) You are civ and I am wrong 2) You have been recruited somehow 3) You are the trickste...

Fine, Matt. Matt is lying about a few things. Telling you what he is lying about requires me to out myself-- something I do not do. Matt has put me in a position where I either have to sit here and listen to him lie about the circumstances of his quest or I out myself-- but Matt's done quite a nice job doing that anyway. Well I'm not lying about jack, so you're the ultimate betrayer. Luckily for you, I believe members of this forum probably put more trust in you then in me, but for this game, they shouldn't. :beer: With the way you play-- they should...

Bottom Line: if Matt's story is true he shouldn't know my role. There's more to it than that, but that's the big thing that just makes me more sure he's witholding information...

Fine, Matt. Matt is lying about a few things. Telling you what he is lying about requires me to out myself-- something I do not do. Matt has put me in a position where I either have to sit here and listen to him lie about the circumstances of his quest or I out myself-- but Matt's done quite a nice job doing that anyway...

I'm sorry guys-- I'm a bit frustrated with how Matt F has been talking about our interactions because he has act one ounce of subtlety or tact. Anyway-- Matt knows something about me that he should not know if his story is true...

I'm done for the night...

Matt - in respect of your grand quest - do the words 'avatar of maligna' mean anything to you? Matt ^^ Don't trust him. He knows things he should not know unless he's lied about who he's talked to. He is lying about things. First, Golden, no those words don't mean anything, but let me check my list. Nope not on my list. Second, Dom, oh really? Since I happen to know everything I just said is 100% truthful, I'm interested to know what exactly I'm lying about? Gonna ask you to back the hell off tb...

I'm going to hear Matt out. I wouldn't I say I trust him... his quest might be just as beneficial to him no matter his affiliation. But I don't think he is lying about having a quest - do you have reason to think that? I've seen evidence that being put on a quest is something that could happen in this game. I haven't had one myself. Specifically about the quest? No...

I voted...

Matt - in respect of your grand quest - do the words 'avatar of maligna' mean anything to you? Matt ^^ Don't trust him. He knows things he should not know unless he's lied about who he's talked to. He is lying about things...

Matt's lying...

I haven't heard about a Spirit oracle. That doesn't mean all that much, but I haven't...

Matt are you seriou...

Also, that post of yours was designed to be emotionally manipulative, and I won't fall for it...

I think Sorsha mistrusted mac,and has been annoyed at me since he died, tbh. I think her misplaced trust has led her to jump to false conclusions. And anyone who was aligned with MM would just be stupid to kill Hammy, lol. If anything that looked more like a set up kill to me. I have to check with LC before I say a few things I would like to say about Mac and about secret roles and what I learned from a little research. Gonna go with Timmer & TH, also Matt, and I was not sure about the 4th, but Dom for this post: SVS DID NOT vote for Luke at all. SVS ONLY voted for juliets when it was a landslide lynch against her (and she was lynched after many attempts). SVS was QUICK to vote Floyd. When he KNOWS how I can be about people I care about like Jules, since it is the same reason I give him the pass all the time. This post is opportunistic in the extreme. Shame, Dom. Not true. You "give me a pass" because I'm your blindspot, as you put it. Now, is Juliets a blindspot for you? Is she someone who tends to trick you? Is she someone who you tend to read as civvie, no matter what? Is Luke? No, you actively avoided their lynches, and launched several counter campaigns against their lynches. But as I thought/think about those Witherdeath lynches, something doesn't sit right. Floyd seems too easy, and his role doesn't scream baddie to me. So unless he was recruited somehow, I'm doubting that his role was a baddie role. And who was one of the people that led the charge against Floyd? You...

SVS DID NOT vote for Luke at all. SVS ONLY voted for juliets when it was a landslide lynch against her (and she was lynched after many attempts). SVS was QUICK to vote Floyd...

Voting for someone doesn't necessarily prove anything. In BoB everyone swore I wasn't on team Webber because of my votes and you know how that turned out ;) Re:SVS I think we need to look into other players than those three, so I don't think it is sidetracking. I voted those three and Dom, because I feel least civvie about Dom outside of three still. I still feel that Golden is still likely a civvie, just wrong like a bunch of us about bass. I've been playing with Golden since his first Mafia game, and he can't fake that tone. I am more paranoid I am wrong about SVS with each passing day, but not enough to abandon that trust. And I still feel ok about MM. Sorsha is also still on my ok list from golden's vouch, but I have to also consider she could be the one he is wrong about. Everyone else is leaning civvie/neutral/need to revisit It's hard for me to articulate without rulebreaking. There is some out of thread stuff I need to mull over some. I don't really know what you want me to say or even why you suspect me, so... okay...

Splints, if you think I'm baddie-- what team am I on? I don't find suspects based on what team they might be on. I find suspects by what thread actions I find suspicious. I rarely pay attention to "this person is on this team". It's just not how I play. Also I don't for sure think you are a baddie. But by my process of elimination you are least civvie seeming from what is left. If I had more then 4 options I would have also voted for Lorab, Tranq, and Draconus as I want to revisit all of them too. I'm not a big fan of limiting poll options too much. Same question to you. To be frank, this matters more than "how you play". Do you think I'm on the team whose members I voted for or the team that tried to NK me? If anything you are likely Circle if bad. Although, Golden's comment gives me pause-- I might want to revisit you. Anyway-- are you at all suspicious of SVS...

Personally I think, as I said regarding Bass, that letting the Circle entrench further and then handing them the Cabals kill is a bad idea. Especially if Sorsha is wrong about this person. I am sure about 3 out of 4, not so much the 4th. I need to do some reading today. Are we just pretending you didn't defend/avoid voting for every Cabal member we've lynched...

Splints, if you think I'm baddie-- what team am I on...

sorry bass, but honestly... maybe you could present a single suspect...

Voted...

I agree with that idea. Tranq, do you think Matt really had/has no idea that TH was likely poisoned...

You didn't ask me, but I think it's possible. and I highly doubt Matt doesn't know that...

Dom, what, you think I should be discussing Timmer when I'm trying to save myself and Timmer isn't even on the poll??? Are you serious? Anyway, you can say you don't know what I'm talking about, but I've said a lot about you in this game where if you didn't know what I was talking about, you would've said something by now. But yeah, vote Bass. For real. Do you even pay attention to what people write? You wrote about who to look at next. Not today. Me and Golden? I'm sorry, but what? What happened to your timmer suspicion? If you get lynched, instead of Timmer, who you say you're suspicious of-- you want us to look at me and Golden? Yeah okay. Oh wait, if it's 4 to 7. Someone moves off me to Bass, then it will be 5 to 6. I can work with that. I just need one vote! Assuming SVS doesn't change her throwaway vote from Turnip (LOL) to me. So maybe I do need two. C'mon civs, let's give town a win here. do you seriously not know why svs voted TH She thinks I'm his baddie partner. :haha: Oh, the laughter hurts. http://images.m-magazine.com/uploads/photos/file/53675/high-school-musical-getcha-head-in-the-game.gif...

Oh wait, if it's 4 to 7. Someone moves off me to Bass, then it will be 5 to 6. I can work with that. I just need one vote! Assuming SVS doesn't change her throwaway vote from Turnip (LOL) to me. So maybe I do need two. C'mon civs, let's give town a win here. do you seriously not know why svs voted T...

Well, I'm civ. But after I get lynched, I think I'm going to root for the baddies. Well played, baddies. Of my voters, I think Golden and Dom need to go next. Anyway, go mafia! :beer: Lovely hosts - It was a mighty fine quest, but I don't have the perseverance to continue. Thanks for the fun game! what happened to your timmer suspicion? LOL i'm sorry, but wtf Matt or Bass... which to vote for... not really sure. Lol. Dude, nice job this game, Dom. I tried to go to that square you suggested but luckily fate intervened and I was given another quest. Who knows was dastardly trap you had waiting for me. Nice job, tho, for realz. :beer: Literally no clue what you're talking about, but okay... I'm thinking of switching to Bass.. honestly, I think we'll find a baddie either way...

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