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by Dom
Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:11 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

Spacedaisy wrote:This post from SVS came on Thursday around 4:40 pm
S~V~S wrote:This is gonna be a hard one for me. Dom seemed a bit straw graspy to me early on, but having read his tl;dr, I can see his points better. Not sure I agree with them, but I can see them. Bass has taken some flack for his general Bassiness, although Rox has said he could have been more present. Although he was not as posty during the pairs contest, I really do think he tried. He posted I think 6 times that day, which is more than he posted other days. Plus my experience of Bass is that he is vitalized by BTSC. He plays a more active baddie game.
After which you started talking about how bass is energized by BTSC in these posts:
Dom wrote:I think Bass is a civvie because when he is bad I believe him to be more engaged.
Dom wrote:That might be true-- but I have always felt that a quieter bass means a bass who isn't being energized with btsc.
My question is why are we only just now hearing this defense of bass? Why did no one say this when he was brought up on Day 3 for being suspicious to Roxy for his lack of participation?
I looked into it and read bass?
I responded to Roxy at the time with what I knew. Perhaps you missed that when you pulled these posts.
Do I have to read and do everything instantaneously for you?
by Dom
Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:46 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

Long Con wrote:
Dom wrote:
Long Con wrote:Altruism to look Civvie. Like, say you're bad, and you want to look Civ. So you try to play people up so it looks like you and Bass are both Civ, going for the "well, Dom is here and Bass isn't, and Dom seems real Civvie with his generously sympathetic portrayal of Bass, so let's just go Bass."

And for the record, I only put this viewpoint forward because you specifically asked for it.
Now, LC, if I built a case against someone I believe is civvie, then what would you all do?
Lynch me.

All I was saying is that we're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Sure, it's a hard place, but, like Spacedaisy, I wouldn't have thought you were a baddie who made a bogus case on a Civvie. I would have thought you were a player with one chance to continue playing in the Champions game, and that's to make Bass get lynched.

If I were in your situation, I would build my best damn case against Bass. It's highly unlikely I'll ever be in your situation though. Image That was what my comment about being in a knife fight with The Pope was about.
Building a case against a player who isn't even here to respond to anything?
LC it sounds like you want me to commit suicide.

Yes, please lynch Bass over me-- I thought that would be my obvious opinion.
by Dom
Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:50 am
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

AND bass isn't even here to talk about it-- what the hell am I supposed to say?
by Dom
Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:50 am
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

Spacedaisy wrote:If you built a case against bass it would only seem logical since you don't want to die. It wouldn't have made me think you're bad. But your actions this lynch period have convincedme you are bad. Like I said, I'm cool wth either of you being lynched. I think you're both bad.
I'm not saying I don't want you to lynch Bass, but I'm not saying I think he is bad. I obviously would like you to lynch him over me... I never said otherwise.
One comment has really been blown out of proportion about me thinking we have no good options here.
My "actions"? I literally said that I feel that we've got no options that benefit the civvies. If I had built a case against Bass when I think he is civvie, then what? Like, there's absolutely no winning for me in this situation.
by Dom
Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:34 am
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

Long Con wrote:Altruism to look Civvie. Like, say you're bad, and you want to look Civ. So you try to play people up so it looks like you and Bass are both Civ, going for the "well, Dom is here and Bass isn't, and Dom seems real Civvie with his generously sympathetic portrayal of Bass, so let's just go Bass."

And for the record, I only put this viewpoint forward because you specifically asked for it.
Now, LC, if I built a case against someone I believe is civvie, then what would you all do?
Lynch me.

All I was saying is that we're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
by Dom
Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:13 am
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

Spacedaisy wrote:I must be a weirdo, because unlike everyone else I am ok with either of these two being lynched. In the case of Bass, I think the big thing for me is the fact Roxy suspects him. That speaks volumes to me. As far as Dom, I didn't suspect him all that much until his comment about them both being civ. That pinged big time. There are a good number of baddie roles that target people, if I was up against someone in a Tyler showdown then it would make me pretty darn suspicious of the other person. The fact he isn't seems to me that he is trying to look civ.

I have some other suspicions that have come from today too, but it is premature to discuss them really so I will leave it for now. I am perfectly happy to vote for either of these two at this point, but I am going to vote Dom because I feel like it might give us the most information since he has been much more vocal. I truly think both are likely bad though. I could be wrong but I just don't think I am.
So... I know my role.... and I have reason to believe that Bass is a civvie.... and me thinking we're both civvies somehow makes me bad?
That makes no sense.
Turnip Head wrote:
Dom wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I also object to the notion that Bass is more involved when he's bad. I think RL does factor into his participation a lot, but also I think he's a player who takes it slow at the beginning of games and then picks it up toward the end. In WWE, Bass was almost nonexistent at the start of the game, until after I was NK'd on like Night 7 or whatever, and then I noticed in my deadness that he came out of the woodwork after that. He was a baddie in Doctor Who and I don't remember him being particularly active in that game either. He was a baddie in X-Men and had to be replaced I believe.

However, it is true that after he got recruited in both LOST (on RM) and in Monopoly, that he became more involved after that. But like I said, I feel like he ALWAYS starts games quiet.
That might be true-- but I have always felt that a quieter bass means a bass who isn't being energized with btsc.
Okay, but I named at least three separate games where that was not the case.
Okay, but that isn't the experience I am used to with him. I appreciate your experience with him, but that's not what I've noticed.
Turnip Head wrote:It makes sense. Teammates are more likely than anyone to end up targeting the same person with their different powers, IMO.

I bet MP got double targeted by a baddie team last night.
Why?
Turnip Head wrote:Does Bass know that people associate his quietness with civvieness?
I don't know. I don't know that "people" associate the two. I know I do.
Long Con wrote:Well, if Dom says that Bass is likely to be a Civvie, then I guess that's that. Seems strange to me. If I was in a fight to the death with the Pope himself, you can bet your ass I would shank that mutha.

Dom, you had all the opportunity in the world to make a case that Bass is bad in order to save your life, and you did the opposite. So, from me, you get the opposite as well.

*votes Dom*
And if I built a case against someone I believe is civvie, you'd call me bad. ;) There's no winning for me here-- especially with an absent bass.


What do I have to gain from saying bass is a civvie? Like what do people think is suspicious about that?
by Dom
Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:09 am
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

Turnip Head wrote:I also object to the notion that Bass is more involved when he's bad. I think RL does factor into his participation a lot, but also I think he's a player who takes it slow at the beginning of games and then picks it up toward the end. In WWE, Bass was almost nonexistent at the start of the game, until after I was NK'd on like Night 7 or whatever, and then I noticed in my deadness that he came out of the woodwork after that. He was a baddie in Doctor Who and I don't remember him being particularly active in that game either. He was a baddie in X-Men and had to be replaced I believe.

However, it is true that after he got recruited in both LOST (on RM) and in Monopoly, that he became more involved after that. But like I said, I feel like he ALWAYS starts games quiet.
That might be true-- but I have always felt that a quieter bass means a bass who isn't being energized with btsc.
by Dom
Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:19 am
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

Long Con wrote:
Dom wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Dom wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:This lynch absolutely blows.
I'm pretty sure we have two civvies here... :/
:eye: I'll grant that you are 100% sure of your own alignment, but what makes you "pretty sure" of Bass being Civvie? I mean, I don't suspect him for anything in particular, but that's very different from being "pretty sure" that he's Civvie. Your statement gives me the :eye: feeling.
I think Bass is a civvie because when he is bad I believe him to be more engaged.
That's a really presumptuous way to figure out Bass' whole playstyle. Does that work for you in every game you play? He's that transparent?
it makes me think he's more likely civvie than baddie yeah
by Dom
Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:46 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

Long Con wrote:
Dom wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:This lynch absolutely blows.
I'm pretty sure we have two civvies here... :/
:eye: I'll grant that you are 100% sure of your own alignment, but what makes you "pretty sure" of Bass being Civvie? I mean, I don't suspect him for anything in particular, but that's very different from being "pretty sure" that he's Civvie. Your statement gives me the :eye: feeling.
I think Bass is a civvie because when he is bad I believe him to be more engaged.
by Dom
Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:37 am
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

Turnip Head wrote:This lynch absolutely blows.
I'm pretty sure we have two civvies here... :/
by Dom
Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:09 am
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

LC did you make some mistakes up there?
I'm confused why you think FZ was Mr. Humphries (As far as I know-- that was MetalMarsh), and don't have other dead people-- like llama-- on there.

In addition, do you think Epi counts the Face of Boe targeting someone for a lie detector as a player target?

I'm not sure what I can really say here... :p You're right, statistically speaking, both of us would be more likely to be bad.
by Dom
Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:44 am
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

zeek wrote:Going into the last lynch I felt a lot better about Dom, however he missed the vote and Bass did not. I don't remember Dom saying why he missed the lynch. Bass did vote DF and maybe he thought it was a foregone conclusion, but Cyclops' vote is worth 3 and DF had a -3. So, perhaps the voting isn't as worth as much as I thought in terms of when people voted. I'm relatively happy Bass isn't a Suit is what I'm saying.
I did.
by Dom
Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:43 am
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

Turnip Head wrote:Dom, what is your opinion of Bass?

Bass, what is your opinion of Dom?
My only negative thoughts on Bass stem from him:
1) His non posting when his mom said he had time
2) His proposal of Hedgeowl as a lynch candidate when she had not posted at all.

Neither make me think he is bad, tbh
by Dom
Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:36 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

screw you, tyler durden. . .
by Dom
Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:33 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

Why did it change?
I don't think it was always like that.

I do not like it one bit.
by Dom
Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:30 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

Turnip Head wrote:I haven't really looked into the case on Boomslang much to be honest. I remember you made some points about him but don't remember really what they were. I'll address it when I get a chance to look through it.
I look forward to it. :noble:
by Dom
Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:25 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

^i meant to say, I'm curious, I don't remember you sharing thoughts on my Boomslang case, what are your thoughts on it?

Got ahead of myself there! :p
by Dom
Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:25 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace FZ. I was feeling pretty good about you :(

I'm looking at DH today. I think there's something there with the DF connection. DF seemed extremely hesitant to take a stance on DH and went out of his way to vote to help save DH Day 1. Furthermore, DH didn't contribute at all to the discussion on DF. There's also something I want to point out about some of DH's posting on Day 2 but it will have to wait until I get home so I can search for it.

I know I've defended DH some in this game but I'm concerned that that was misguided of me. I felt like he was getting heat for simply being an active participant, but now that we've got more to go on, he feels a bit slippery to me.
TH, I look forward to your ideas about DH on Day 2 :) I'm curious, I don't remember you sharing thoughts on Boomslang.




I'm glad to see Timmer participating more! I found your comments, when I read up, very insightful and great to have around. Rey, on the other hand, still has my eye.
by Dom
Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:29 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

S~V~S wrote:Day & night. &&&. I just have an issue with shift+7 lol.
I figured, lol!

Well, we can assume that our three borderline no-shows were not silenced because that would not be logical whatsoever.
by Dom
Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:05 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 4]

S~V~S wrote:Ebwop, and night 2 for that matter. Both the Warden & Bavmorda silence nightly. But it would be nice to pin down who the Suits silenced previously.
On night two, it would have been LC, right? He was silenced for D3...
by Dom
Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:04 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 3]

FZ. wrote:I looked at the low posters and those who haven't posted in a while and at the time they last posted:

Hedge-never
Sabie, Lizzie and Lorab - 1/8
Mongoose- 1/11
LC-1/12

Seem like it was LC and Mongoose that were silenced.
It's weird that three people stopped posting on the same day. Do you all think it's a coincidence?


linki: Isn't that obvious? Why'd you feel the need to say it?
Are you saying you think Sabie, Lizzie, and LoRab are bad?
by Dom
Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:24 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 3]

Bass, do you feel that Hedge is playing at all? I don't think she's posted yet.
by Dom
Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:14 am
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 3]

I went to a Parks and Rec Premiere Party and completely forgot about the game! Sorry guys! good job with DFaraday!!! Nice to get a baddie. :D
zeek wrote: I'm CHANGING my vote, Epi, from S~V~S to DharmaHelper.
Why did you address Epi here?
Roxy wrote: Bass - I know you have had time to play but have not and I also know you are getting ready to help family out and will be afk for several days - if you are still around I am going to be watching as since the tag team event you pinged me. You did the same thing Timmer and Rey did but no one has said anything about it - well I am. :p My eye, as ever, is on you.
I didn't even notice that Bass did that. XD Interesting catch!


Also I wil be giving TH the helmet
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Sorry everyone I have been really busy in RL getting ready to go back to school and haven't had time to catch up as much as I would like.
Your mom says you have had enough time. :p
by Dom
Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:06 am
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 3]

Let me be more clear:

Llama is an antagonistic troll, oftentimes (love you, llama!! <3) I felt this fell in line with his personality and play style nicely.
Metalmarsh is a silly guy who often times makes no sense whatsoever.

These are not traits or the types of traits that I have associated with you as a player.
by Dom
Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:04 am
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 1]

Boomslang wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I think I will revert to "Llama Classic" playstyle for this game and vote for someone who missed the first poll. Not very champion-like, you guys. Tsk tsk. The lucky people are:
Timmer
Mongoose
Lorab
and Hedgebaddie.

I wonder which one I will choose. :ponder:
Wait a minute... how did this pass completely without comment from you, Dom? If you're going after me for indicating Day 0 absentees as worthy of discussion, and not after llama... who turned up civ. Metalmarsh voted SVS first day to draw out discussion, then shifted gears. Also turned up civ. I don't think my behavior has been out of line.
I found it more typical of those two players than I have associated with you.
by Dom
Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:56 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 3]

Boomslang wrote:
Regarding my MP vote, dude basically had the poll won by the time I was able to vote. Haven't been getting baddie vibes off of him so far, so went to confirm the safe option.

Linki with Dom:
1) My statement was WAY too early to indicate "possible lynch candidates"; I was opening a line of discussion, not throwing suspicions right off the bat.
2) You don't know if INH was silenced or if he was just not wanting to help me out of spite and earlier suspicion. His night post certainly threw a lot of shade my way; I was honestly trying to show good faith and was rebuffed.
3) Regarding those questions (of which there was actually only one, if you read your own post):
a) Civvies behave essentially randomly, especially at the start, while, Mafia do not. Civvies have no information, Mafia enjoy the knowledge of who is on their team.
b) I don't have to justify that there are baddies in the group I looked at. I was adding my perspective, not assigning absolute blame, like you seem willing and able to do on shaky ground at best.
This is the first, actual, response I have gotten from you all game.
Can you see how that's problematic?

1) What else was it to indicate? Seriously? Opening a line of discussion to what, exactly? What else would that discussion lead to? Please, tell me how you saying we should start by looking at the non voters of D0 would indicate anything other than that you want to start considering them for a lynching?
2) I didn't say that INH was silenced. He was not. He posted during the day, did he not? Am I remembering that incorrectly? I think INH made plenty of points about you that were basically responded with, "Me?? Want You dead??? No!" EVEN though you named INH as someone you suspect (that was the question I asked of you that solicited his name).
3) I clarified in my next post that I meant that you didn't really respond to that post whatsoever, not that you didn't answer questions. But nice NO U.
by Dom
Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:19 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 3]

Not really TL;DR, but certainly a summary.

Anyway, the Questions I posted-- I mean I don't even think I got a response to it at all. And if Boomslang did respond, it was very non-material.
by Dom
Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:16 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 3]

S~V~S wrote:Dom, I know my opinion. I am seeking the thoughts of those with strong opinions on Day One. But for me, the short version, I thought DH was trying to poke Rey & I to see what happened. I thought he was making something out of nothings, which he is THE MASTER at doing. *Bows*

But to be fair, the last time he did that to me in a major way, he was a civvie (in Rabs never-to-end Gotham Game at RM). SO, pairing that with some things he has said, I am not as sure as I was.

I never saw the case on Boom. It seemed trumped up to me tbh. The fact that he fit some "profile" and suddenly became public enemy number one when DH was taking votes did not help for me. But Llama was a big part of that for me, and he flipped civ. And Lorb knows I know that having a bad voting record does not make one bad. So I would like the tl;dr version of the case on Boom, since I just don't get it. And understanding it will help me to clarify how I feel about DH.
TL;DR of Why I Suspect Boom
1) Boom singled out people who did not vote in the D0 post as possible lynch candidates. I asked why they might be bad. He said because more people voted than did not vote, there are more civvies in the people that voted. This tells us literally nothing and is not an actual reason. It doesn't make much sense. I pointed this out to him and I was pretty much ignored. That rose my suspicion.
2) Boom then said he was suspicious of INH for not posting. INH had not yet posted. INH could have been silenced. I asked him who he suspected and this is how he responded. That perked my brow big time. The only person he cared to lynch wasn't around to defend himself.
3) None of the questions I posed in this post were answered.

I will admit that I was shocked by how many people followed me on d1.
Made wrote: Also Dom, historically, what has been your opinion on "wasting votes", voting for someone you know won't get lynched? I have my own personal philosophy on the subject, but i'm curious of yours.

linki- to tag on to what Juliets said, I think Reywas should do was he did earlier, underline phrases and show whether he agrees or disagrees with them with smiles or pictures.
I'm going to be honest, I don't know that I have a philosophy on that. I usually vote for whomever I suspect, I think, though. I don't really know that I have a solid personal opinion on that.
by Dom
Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:58 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 3]

reywaS wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:
Dom wrote:What does everyone think of my thoughts on Rey and Timmer? Rubbish?
I think your thoughts have merit. Timmer did say he was having RL issues, but I agree that their exchanges didn't contain much meat at all. I expected more to be said as they were waiting for each other to be able to do back and forth, when it culminated into essentially nothing. So you're thinking that it was just a way to look like they were saying something, but not actually reveal their opinions so as not to look bad? Or any particular way?

Image
What exactly does this imply? :blush:
by Dom
Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:38 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 3]

nijuukyugou wrote:
Dom wrote:What does everyone think of my thoughts on Rey and Timmer? Rubbish?
I think your thoughts have merit. Timmer did say he was having RL issues, but I agree that their exchanges didn't contain much meat at all. I expected more to be said as they were waiting for each other to be able to do back and forth, when it culminated into essentially nothing. So you're thinking that it was just a way to look like they were saying something, but not actually reveal their opinions so as not to look bad? Or any particular way?
I just think it's strange that they clearly had time to a) post and b) participate in a contest that required tag team posting, but not to make any real contribution to the game whatsoever. Why is that?
S~V~S wrote:I think they are both better players than that, actually. As a planned strategy of avoidance, I dunno. And speaking of quiet, where is TH? He has not posted since before the night post. Could he be silenced? He was quiet-ish Day One. Then he was more vocal yesterday.

I would like to revisit the Day One lynch. So many people were so sure of Boomslang & DH. Then I butted in with my MM paranoia. I take the responsibility for the MM lynch. But what about everyones feelings about DH & Boom? Who was saving who? Anyone? No one?
I am still HIGHLY suspicious of Boomslang, but I remain undecided on DH-- I feel like I don't know his game very well at all. I have never been able to read him. Can you give me the highlights on that?
by Dom
Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:28 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 3]

juliets wrote:I'm not sure i understand - reywas Dom thinks you could be bad and you're shaking your head yes?

Dom one reason I'm kinda hesitant on the theory is back when I played on a bts team with timmer and we were civ, he had a lot of trouble posting because of some things going on in RL. I'm wondering if he's having those same problems because of the post he made. rey I don't know about so it does put a question mark in my mind, though rey too has not been posting much in games recently. It's a theory I'm going to keep in mind as we move forward. I'd like to know what some others think too.
My thought on timmer, though, is that he posted MULTIPLE times throughout day 2, but NONE of it had any content whatsoever... it just seems like a cop out- ya know?

I understand real life issues, and I don't want to penalize timmer for them, but he posted more than INH did through Day 2 (someone I would say was fairly active), but said absolutely nothing.
S~V~S wrote:
Roxy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Roxy wrote:
DFaraday wrote:Roxy, I'm not saying that only Llama voters should be scrutinized, but we don't know Made's alignment. It's still very possible that he is a baddie, in which case he probably would have had teammates vote for Llama. I was mainly making my point in regards to FZ's statement that the Made voters should be focused on, which seems counterintuitive to me.
My point is that why didn't you scrutinize the Metalmarsh voters for a poss DH save if it is such a great place to start?

Thanks SVS about the reminder that it was Dr Who.
The point is we both were not baddies. The last time we were baddies together was WWE, where we nearly killed each other in thread and out. When were you thinking of that we were both baddies and getting along. I don't recall that tbh.
You are prob right as my memory is shit at even remembering what roles I have had in games but I was thinking it was a TP game - I want to say it was awhile back and the theme had something to do with computers or something recruiting-wise. I wish I had some sort of TP directory of games. So many great memories on that site.

MP - I am doing some reading I'll get back to you.
Computer Lab, STLGirl hosted. I was bad with Kate, DP and I don't recall the third. Tranq was on the other bad team. I don't know that MP played that one. Kate was recruited, she won and I was not and did not. The recruit team was the Botnet.
I remember that game! I was civ and sucked :p
by Dom
Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:18 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 3]

What does everyone think of my thoughts on Rey and Timmer? Rubbish?
by Dom
Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:28 am
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timmer wrote:I just wrote a long post explaining why I haven't been participating in the game, and the internet ate it. I think that's a sign to be more brief. My life's been crap since Jan 2nd when this game started and it hasn't gotten better since. I've asked to be replaced but I'm trying to find time to participate until a replacement is found. I apologize.
I hope things get better Timmer... in the mean time-- do you have any suspicions?
by Dom
Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:34 pm
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My argument for what, MP?


You absolutely had a problem with me getting votes, MP. Absolutely. It is a lie to say otherwise:
MovingPictures07 wrote:DH, juliets, and DFaraday need to be very closely examined, IMO.

I also do not like the fact that Dom has three votes. Why are people trusting him?
"I do not like the fact that Dom has three votes."


You say I ignore that I came in second place.
I say that you ignore that you won by a margin of 6 votes.
You ignore that I was tied with LC until I voted at the very end.

Anyway, I am saying this gives me mixed feelings about you because people who I think have a good read of you say one thing, but I see the opposite.

MP-- why are you wondering more about Boomslang now?


And I haven't seen anything about DFaraday to make me worry yet.
by Dom
Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:10 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 3]

Spacedaisy wrote:
Dom wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
Dom, I think a fair amount of the MP voters gave a reason. I kind of think I can do a fair job reading MP, and I feel pretty sure he is a civ based upon what I've seen so far.
I consider your input here valuable. I do.
I don't think people supported their MP votes.
Timmer
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 16#p105916
Rey posted nothing.
Boomslang posted nothing.
Russ
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 61#p105961

This is the same amount of people that voted me, total, if you include myself.
MP does not seem concerned with this.
No one seemed concerned with this, however people definitely were concerned with the amount of votes I received (4- 1 being mine). And those concerns were raised with this post:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 34#p105834

He also investigated, specifically, why Mongoose wanted to vote me because she gave little reason. He had no intention of investigating his own no-reason voters. However, not only that, but MP seemed to expect me to suspect Mongoose for this here:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 83#p105783

Can you see how I feel very mixed on MP?
h

I can see what you are saying, however I got the impression he was surprised by people voting for him. He also said this when asked about it:
movingpictures07 wrote:
bea wrote:also - alex - do you find it sketchy that so many people are putting their trust in you?
I'm not sure if I feel it is sketchy. I am definitely surprised; I did not expect it at all. I don't necessarily understand the benefit of baddies voting for me unless they're trying to gain cred or something, but even then, there are multiple baddie teams. However, I do wonder if some of the votes are trying to avoid serious questioning, such as Boomslang, Russtifinko, etc. They don't really explain why I deserve their votes. So that does raise my eyebrow.

But I am pleased, since I promise I will put it to good use if I do win.
Those who did not give reason he admits to finding strange...

I don't ask you to take my reason as evidence, since you have no idea of my alignment either, I was only reiterating my reason because it felt like you were dismissing all his voters as not having given reasons. I know at least myself, SVS, and Juliets gave reasons. I can't remember if there were others off the top of my head, I would have to look back.
I just think MP passed a double standard, ya feel? I feel like there must be a motivation for that double standard. Why investigation for me and surprise for him?
Ya know?
by Dom
Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:01 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 3]

bea wrote:of all the stuff you posted there domdom - the part i find most noteworthy is that Timmer didn't want to do a GIGANTOR post - while he was catsiping up. And his partner not posting, felt like a convinient excuse to NOT post what thoughts he had along the way. I know Timmer is a busy guy, but I also know if he only had one post to get his thoughts out during a massive re-read - I'm every bit right to be leary of a post that should have been full of notes and stuff and ended up being 'opps sorry to late - I guess I have NOTHING to say about the reread I said I was doing right now."
Exactly.
Everything seemed like an easy excuse to get out of posting.
by Dom
Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:25 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 3]

Timmer and Rey

Timmer and Rey both voted for MP without any reason in the Night 2 poll.
Timmer and Rey were partners in the Day 2 challenge. I will show you the entirety of their posts.

Timmer started it with:
timmer wrote:Trash Team 4LYF!

:noble:

Rey then said:
reywaS wrote:hmm.
Timmer said:
timmer wrote:
reywaS wrote:hmm.
You going to be around tonight, pardner? I need to get caught up in the game but I don't want to have to do it in one giant post, lol.
He indicates his intention to participate.
reywaS wrote:
timmer wrote:
reywaS wrote:hmm.
You going to be around tonight, pardner? I need to get caught up in the game but I don't want to have to do it in one giant post, lol.
I'm sorry. Yes, I'll be around for a little while.
Rey is like yeah dude pls
timmer wrote:
reywaS wrote:
timmer wrote:
reywaS wrote:hmm.
You going to be around tonight, pardner? I need to get caught up in the game but I don't want to have to do it in one giant post, lol.
I'm sorry. Yes, I'll be around for a little while.
Alas, I saw this too late, and now I must head to bed.
Timmer then says that it's "too late" to play.
reywaS wrote:
timmer wrote:
reywaS wrote:
timmer wrote:
reywaS wrote:hmm.
You going to be around tonight, pardner? I need to get caught up in the game but I don't want to have to do it in one giant post, lol.
I'm sorry. Yes, I'll be around for a little while.
Alas, I saw this too late, and now I must head to bed.
Apologies. And now I've lost track of the days...I've been thinking all day that today was Friday. Not sure where I'm going to vote...I was thinking I had another day. phooey.
Rey apologizes.


This is literally everything they said on Day 2.
This is highly suspicious to me. Rey went from hunting baddies to chatting with Timmer enough to say all this useless back and forth. This rings as baddie behavior to me. Illusion of participation + talking enough to compete the in the contest, but not to play the game.

I will admit, I remember their day 2 being lengthier when I announced my suspicion of timmer and rey, but I still suspect them for this.
by Dom
Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:12 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 3]

Spacedaisy wrote:
Dom, I think a fair amount of the MP voters gave a reason. I kind of think I can do a fair job reading MP, and I feel pretty sure he is a civ based upon what I've seen so far.
I consider your input here valuable. I do.
I don't think people supported their MP votes.
Timmer
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 16#p105916
Rey posted nothing.
Boomslang posted nothing.
Russ
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 61#p105961

This is the same amount of people that voted me, total, if you include myself.
MP does not seem concerned with this.
No one seemed concerned with this, however people definitely were concerned with the amount of votes I received (4- 1 being mine). And those concerns were raised with this post:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 34#p105834

He also investigated, specifically, why Mongoose wanted to vote me because she gave little reason. He had no intention of investigating his own no-reason voters. However, not only that, but MP seemed to expect me to suspect Mongoose for this here:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 83#p105783

Can you see how I feel very mixed on MP?
by Dom
Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:58 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 3]

Made wrote:
bea wrote:given how dom played indi in who - I don't think if he had that kind of role he's be that obvious unless he had to be.

also- made - you never answered my question. Had your vote not been forced, and if you hadn't had to save yourself, who would you have voted for last cycle?
didn't answer because I wanted to just mega post tomorrow. I would of voted DH, but Interactions between Llama and DH were weird. With Llama flipping civvie, I want to reread DH, but want to take care Hattie Hatterson business first.


linki- since hattie isn 't a straight lynch force, I was looking for some other kinda of flag, and found it interesting that you would vote boom rather than with a vote that had an effect on who died. So i want to investigate that further.
I have suspected Boom since day one. Would you have rather I voted for you? Like????
by Dom
Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:49 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 3]

Made wrote:Don't have time to catch up atm, but just want to get this out there:
zeek wrote:It's different. My vote isn't forced.
Well that throws a giant monkey wrench in what I was thinking... are you allowed to say more?

Also, here was my thought before you said that (and the reason I voted dom on the wand poll...kinda confused on why people followed me on that but, w/e)
I think Dom is Indy, specifically Hatter. My guess is that there's a caveat in the hatter's role saying that if he forces someone to vote, he must also vote that way. I guess this could translate further and say that now has to do w/e action zeek has to?

This idea would be supported by the idea that Dom's Case on Boomslang was a weak one, something i haven't had time to look into yet.
Thoughts? I'm not sure how this theory would be affected by what Zeek must do.

Dinner, back either tomorrow or late tonight.
wat
by Dom
Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:32 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 3]

Made wrote:
zeek wrote:Okay, so I am making the biggest U-turn in the world ever. Made wasn't lying.

And the Mad Hatter is a very naughty boy.
hi, guys, waiting for dinner to finish, so i got a bit of time.

Anyways, zeek, first, don't say who you need to vote for,
Now, how do you know if it was the mad hatter? what gave it away?

Also, was there any mention of shapes in your message? (don't say what shapes)

Gonna continue catching up while i have time in reverse chronological, but i gotta get this out there.
Well, it looks like you were being truthful... but I still don't get how this undermines the role because we'll find out who he needs to vote for because he'll vote for them?
Like????
by Dom
Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:01 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 3]

S~V~S wrote:An addon to that, DH. I am not as sure today. I have been rather unsuccessful this game :( So I want to do some targeted rereading.

Linki, it's up there^^
I found it.

RIPIYWG INH.


Top suspects:
1) Boomslang
2) Timmer
2) Reywas
4) Made
by Dom
Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:58 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 3]

Did I miss Epi's post?
by Dom
Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:58 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 2]

bea wrote: re: MP trying to get you lynched - fwiw - I don't know if that was his goal (and I don't think it was) but it would take FAR more than anything that happened today to make me want to vote you.

re: dexter - what? share please. I was supposed to be in that game and I convinced diggz/bdh to play it - and then had to drop. I've always regretted not playing that game.What similarities are you seeing here?
Let me put it another way, Bea. . .

MP had no problem with 9 people trusting him.
MP has a problem with 3 people trusting me. MP wants me to question why they trust me.
But no one dare question why people trust MP. . .

Interesting, no? Not damning, but hey-- I find it weird.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Ah, seems night has ended! RIPIYWG INH. Weird choice for a kill.

Dom, I forgot to address one other item in that last post of mine. I also called out LC with this N2 poll, but I realize I called you out more strongly. This is because you were #2 on my suspects list at some point during the last cycle and LC has dropped off my top suspects. I don't trust either of you, and I wouldn't say you are #2 anymore, Dom, but if I had to say I would state that I'm feeling a bit more worried about you than LC at the moment. And I believe I explained this previously, but if I haven't adequately, let me know.
See you folks later!
Your "suspicion" of me is based on you not liking my boomslang suspicion nor my made suspicion. I don't see good reasons for you to suspect me, tbh.
I wonder what you'll think of my rey/timmer suspicion when I present it on day 3. :)
S~V~S wrote:Dom, I thought of that too. You saw my SECOND reaction? But a really careful reread gave me neither heebies nor jeebies. But yeah, watching LC is always a good policy. Watching all these people is a good policy. Watching YOU is a good policy :)
Agreed. I'm not worried from that specifically after LC's answer, but I wanted to be sure. :)
by Dom
Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:48 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 2]

MovingPictures07 wrote:
zeek wrote:Can we all just acknowledge how much emphasis Epi puts on game balance? Good, now lets think about how Boddy hasn't blackmailed Made, because Made could not tell us if that had happened... cool, now lets think about an unknown blackmailer whose blackmailing can be revealed. Seem fair? Seem balanced? Not in my opinion.
This reminds me of the argument that we used to our advantage in DW about how my role (The Doctor) could never be recruited.

The truth is we don't know what could possibly go on this game, especially since it's a Champions game.

Nonetheless, I understand you raise a good counterpoint.

How do you feel about the possibilities regarding Made that I brought up previously?
1) Made info dumped and got in trouble with Epig, but this hasn't been confirmed due to host interference.
2) Made is cursed. Of course, he would have to argue he wasn't cursed.
3) Made is a civilian, lying, because he's pulling a gambit. Even though almost no player would do this, I could see Made doing it.

Of course, I realize 4) is that Made is a baddie and lying, and I do wonder if this is the case, but I don't understand why everyone is so convinced it is true. What benefit does Made have in this scenario? He brought so much attention unnecessarily to himself. The only reason I would think he would do this is if he is on a baddie team with someone who was really hot and wanted to take attention away from them -- someone such as Boomslang or DH.
I have to say, MP, that you truly have changed your tune on speculating on game secrets. . . .



MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dom wrote:
juliets wrote:rip llama. I became convinced that Made was not lying and that you were trying to take him down. Then when you made you comment about Mongoose really lying it furthered my bad feeling, throwing a friend under the bus to get out of a lynch. I couldn't see a civ doing that. Even with that though I should've given more thought to you both (you and Made) being civ.

I agree with FZ. that if Made is civ there are baddies on his list of voters. I also agree that TH seemed genuine yesterday defending Made and so he is a potential for me to give a vote to. Others are as well though so I'm going to think on it a little more before I vote.
We know Llama is civ, why aren't there baddies on his list of voters?

I'm not advocating for a witch hunt of Llama voters, but I am using the same logic to reach that conclusion-- one that FZ opposes, apparently. I find that odd, Juliets.
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dom wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dom wrote:I'm just curious about why Mongoose picked me, but it's a very minor ping.
Oh, okay. Yeah, I am interested to hear that as well, since I'm pretty sure she never mentioned you or zeek before that post.

Personally, if I was to vote anyone other than myself for this poll... at the moment I'm leaning Turnip Head. I know he can be an incredibly brilliant baddie, but I have received nothing but good vibes from him so far this game. Despite that, I am not too sure how I feel about a lot of players, so this will force me to consider other options as well.
MP, what do you make of Llama being a civvie?
I think Made might be a baddie, especially since Llama ended up being civvie. I suspect Boom more, but man, it makes it harder for me to give Made the BOTD.
What do I make of it? It was a possibility I considered. I thought he was bad. I'm disappointed he wasn't. I don't know what else there is to make of it. Made could still easily be a civilian. He could also be bad.

I don't understand how Made's alignment had anything to do with Llama's. Other than a possible "save attempt", which we have no reason to believe happened here more than any other possible lynch with two main participants -- who is to say they aren't BOTH civilian and baddies bandwagoned onto both of them?

Can you explain that?
Can I explain what?
I think it's possible that Made was saved. Possible, yes. I wanted to know what you think of that possibility.
You obviously think very lowly of it. If you already don't trust Made, can you see how this might look? I don't see why you're being so aggressive here.
MovingPictures07 wrote:DH, juliets, and DFaraday need to be very closely examined, IMO.

I also do not like the fact that Dom has three votes. Why are people trusting him?
. . . oh?
Ok?
Are you the trust police?
I entertain that Made could have been saved. I also entertain that DH could have been saved on D1. Or that Boomslang was. Why do people feel so strongly that Made was over either of those two?

I don't feel I'm being unnecessarily aggressive. But I suppose that's my go-to mafia behavior, as you are well aware.

Where did I say I was the trust police? I'm allowed to voice my opinion. You are high on my possible suspects list. I was merely asking why people trust you because I have seen no reason to do so whatsoever.
I do feel you are being unnecessarily aggressive. "Can you explain that?" I asked what you wanted me to even explain. You still have not told me that.
Again, if I think that Made might be bad, and he narrowly avoids a lynch against a civ-- what might that lead me to believe? You are ignoring my points.
ANNNNNNNNNNNND apparently I'm "high" on your possible suspect list again (after making you feel better, and then. . . people trusted. . . ME?!) That's funny, MP. I wasn't on your suspect list last time you posted your top 3.
by Dom
Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:36 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 2]

Long Con wrote:
Do you remember what LC was in Dexter Mafia?
You reminded me of something here.
I was Ellen Wolf... I forget the details, but I did win. I think there was some secret alliance or something happening. What were you reminded of?
Wasn't that the indy turned kind of civvie because the host pretty much cheated role?

You complimented my game HEAVILY in that game, I am pretty sure, in a ploy to get me to trust you. When SVS said that, I was reminded of what Blost (my civ BTSC partner) said to me when it happened. . . something to the effect of, "LC is saying that because you are good, but wants you to be flattered into trusting him, do not fall for it."
by Dom
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 2]

bea wrote: Dom dom! :)
a) re: FZ - she's reading fairly genuine to me thus far. She messed up pretty big re: roxy and I in the last ksite game I played, but she's that kind of player. She goes with what she sees. Passionatly. And the ksite style is different from here. Those of us that have played in both worlds, I do truely believe it affects the way we play on the "not home" sites. (except for maybe rox and splintsy - they are weird anomolies) Correct me if you think I'm wrong FZ.
I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here. This is twice that FZ has used two different sets of logic in similar situations without real reason, one time she found me suspicious for it. Do you see what I found concerning there?
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here-- ignore FZ?
bea wrote:b) re MP: *tee-hee* - BUT - he raises a fair point. You were BAD BAD BAD in Who and you played a perfect game as a baddie that due to circumstances beyond your control, by process of elimination, you were found out. I'm as weary of early trust toward you as I am early trust toward MP tbh. MP feels more open minded than he usually does regardless of alignment during this game. It makes me *want* to trust him. Maybe he learned a thing or two. But it doesn't mean I do quite yet - I don't quite trust you yet either. Would you expect it any other way with us? ;)
I am slightly annoyed that MP called ME out in particular when others had received comparable votes-- and wowee! look who just HAPPENED to received SO many votes thereafter!
I have no reason to trust MP. His suspicions have been wrong and I haven't seen anything I'd call the hallmark of civvie MP yet. Do I think he's bad? Not really. Do I trust him? No.
But he only calls me out when LC has comparable votes? That makes me think-- why does he not want ME to get the wand.
bea wrote:c) re: elo - I think her vote for me was made from the best possible place. I have no reason to distrust her. I don't think she was doing it because she didn't want to be held accountable. I think she voted for the person she most trusted.
What do you think of her vote for Zeek?

bea wrote:d) re: your votes. In the first champions game, there was a similar scenario about this time in the game. It was a shield though (I don't remember what it did, but I do remember that who held it came into play later in the game.) I was voted in that game to recieve it first. Outside of BDH/Diggz - the other votes I recieved kinda sketched me out. This early in the game, does it worry you that people are putting that much trust in you? Do you get paranoid that there are baddies kissing up there? Because when I was in that spot. I did. Like lots.
I actually addressed this earlier, with MP. He seemed MUCH less worried about me getting the wand then. I don't particularly care if I get it, but I think MP might have manipulated you all into giving it to him. He is, far and away, the winner here. No one seems to question the trust of MP, but MP certainly started the talk about why are people trusting me. I'm going to be honest, the way MP played this has given me the idea that he might be trying to get me lynched here.
S~V~S wrote: MP used to be the king of analysis & appraisal. I think he had more time back in the day. He jumps to conclusions more than he used to, bad or good, such as suspecting people due to slips. Like I do always, lol. That big post felt like old MP to me. Analytical and thought out (even though it was not correct re Llama). But the jumping on baddie slips etc. is not the style I always associated with MP, although admittedly it IS the style he has been playing in more recently, true. We all evolve.

Linki, yeah, I am not sure what anyone means by "staunch trust of Dom". I tend to have a total blind spot re Dom, and he is still up in the air for me.
TBH, I'd like to keep it that way (in general, not just you). :noble: Keeps me safe, regardless of who I am.
I agree with your analysis of MP-- but I haven't seen that as much as you. I agree he used to be much more analytical and appraisal-based. I haven't quite seen it. Doesn't mean I won't.
nijuukyugou wrote:As I was reading, it seemed that those who voted for Dom expressed a confidence that I hadn't seen in the game until this poll came along. I believe others expressed this curiosity, as well. Perhaps I am overthinking/overreading? (Is that a word? It is now)

Linki @ Bea - Give me a bit to answer your questions - I am smelly from running and need a shower (not ignoring you :) )
Where have people justified their trust of MP? LC?
Why are people ONLY questioning the trust (that 3 people have) in me, and not in LC or the apparently the trust 9 people have in MP?
S~V~S wrote:Bea, I am always wary of LC. LC taught me alot about being a baddie. My first reaction when I read the big post he made about not killing me the other day was, "Awww how sweet". My second reactions was, "Oh shit, I am dead, LC is gonna kill me". But that was just for a second.I pay a lot of attention to LCs tone, and I have not seen anything that worries me. At this stage I don't fully trust anyone, but when I man=de my wand vote, I waffled a bit between LC & MP. I waited to answer this until night was "over" ha ha. Why give anyone ideas?

Although personal reads etc. will have less & less bearing as we go along due to Tyler.
Do you remember what LC was in Dexter Mafia?
You reminded me of something here.
by Dom
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 2]

juliets wrote:
Dom wrote:
juliets wrote:rip llama. I became convinced that Made was not lying and that you were trying to take him down. Then when you made you comment about Mongoose really lying it furthered my bad feeling, throwing a friend under the bus to get out of a lynch. I couldn't see a civ doing that. Even with that though I should've given more thought to you both (you and Made) being civ.

I agree with FZ. that if Made is civ there are baddies on his list of voters. I also agree that TH seemed genuine yesterday defending Made and so he is a potential for me to give a vote to. Others are as well though so I'm going to think on it a little more before I vote.
Dom wrote:We know Llama is civ, why aren't there baddies on his list of voters?

I'm not advocating for a witch hunt of Llama voters, but I am using the same logic to reach that conclusion-- one that FZ opposes, apparently. I find that odd, Juliets.
I think there are baddies both in the llama list and the made list. Until FZ. posted people had only talked about baddies in the llama voting list. I was indicating agreement that they were likely to be in the Made voters too. I also believe there could be baddies in the people who voted for other people so they wouldn't have to get involved in the Made vs. llama vote, or maybe people who didn't vote at all. I do not believe that all baddies voted for Made and llama, especially if they are both civ.
I can agree with that. My comment was about the logical inconsistency, which you addressed. :)
by Dom
Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:17 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]
Replies: 3897
Views: 88585

Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 2]

juliets wrote:rip llama. I became convinced that Made was not lying and that you were trying to take him down. Then when you made you comment about Mongoose really lying it furthered my bad feeling, throwing a friend under the bus to get out of a lynch. I couldn't see a civ doing that. Even with that though I should've given more thought to you both (you and Made) being civ.

I agree with FZ. that if Made is civ there are baddies on his list of voters. I also agree that TH seemed genuine yesterday defending Made and so he is a potential for me to give a vote to. Others are as well though so I'm going to think on it a little more before I vote.
We know Llama is civ, why aren't there baddies on his list of voters?

I'm not advocating for a witch hunt of Llama voters, but I am using the same logic to reach that conclusion-- one that FZ opposes, apparently. I find that odd, Juliets.
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dom wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dom wrote:I'm just curious about why Mongoose picked me, but it's a very minor ping.
Oh, okay. Yeah, I am interested to hear that as well, since I'm pretty sure she never mentioned you or zeek before that post.

Personally, if I was to vote anyone other than myself for this poll... at the moment I'm leaning Turnip Head. I know he can be an incredibly brilliant baddie, but I have received nothing but good vibes from him so far this game. Despite that, I am not too sure how I feel about a lot of players, so this will force me to consider other options as well.
MP, what do you make of Llama being a civvie?
I think Made might be a baddie, especially since Llama ended up being civvie. I suspect Boom more, but man, it makes it harder for me to give Made the BOTD.
What do I make of it? It was a possibility I considered. I thought he was bad. I'm disappointed he wasn't. I don't know what else there is to make of it. Made could still easily be a civilian. He could also be bad.

I don't understand how Made's alignment had anything to do with Llama's. Other than a possible "save attempt", which we have no reason to believe happened here more than any other possible lynch with two main participants -- who is to say they aren't BOTH civilian and baddies bandwagoned onto both of them?

Can you explain that?
Can I explain what?
I think it's possible that Made was saved. Possible, yes. I wanted to know what you think of that possibility.
You obviously think very lowly of it. If you already don't trust Made, can you see how this might look? I don't see why you're being so aggressive here.
MovingPictures07 wrote:DH, juliets, and DFaraday need to be very closely examined, IMO.

I also do not like the fact that Dom has three votes. Why are people trusting him?
. . . oh?
Ok?
Are you the trust police?
Boomslang wrote:
Dom wrote:
Made wrote:yo dom, what's your argument against boomslang btw, I'm not sure i understand it clearly. Same/similar to INH's?
I agree with INH on his recent assessment, and only waited to say anything about it because I wanted to see if INH would post at all on day 2 to see if he was silenced.

For your reading enjoyment, in reverse chronological order:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 28#p105628
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 05#p105605
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 12#p105412
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 99#p105299
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 98#p105298
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 62#p105162
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 45#p104945


I never received a response to what he meant by this:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 95#p105295


Not that it matters now.
I thought what I posted was quite obvious: Metalmarsh said something to the effect of "you'll be sorry if you lynch me," which I interpreted as threatening. In retrospect, he was warning us of regret rather than threat, so I misinterpreted that.

Also, INH, you'll notice I never called for a lynch on you. I was just concerned. Additionally, almost everyone else in the thread voted for their respective partners in the poll. You did not; as I've said before, we have to look for abnormal events to tease apart baddies and civvies in this game.
Would INH not voting you back in the poll make him a baddie, and if so, how?
Long Con wrote:I'm certainly not convinced that there was a "save attempt" on Made. If we confirm that Made is bad, then I would consider looking at Llama voters, but otherwise I'm not planning on using anyone's inclusion on either voting list as evidence of baddieness.
Right. . . Made should be investigated, I think. If we were to vote Llama voters before Made, that would be putting the cart before the horse.
Elohcin wrote:So...voting or someone to get a wand is difficult for a civ. B/c if I accidentally vote for someone who is a baddie, it will surely come back to bite me in the ass. I voted Bea. I have no suspicions of her atm which makes me think she is a safe bet.
This sent alarms ringing for me-- I don't know about you guys. You wanted to vote for someone you knew wouldn't win so it wouldn't point back to you later?
by Dom
Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:44 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]
Replies: 3897
Views: 88585

Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 2]

Made wrote:yo dom, what's your argument against boomslang btw, I'm not sure i understand it clearly. Same/similar to INH's?
I agree with INH on his recent assessment, and only waited to say anything about it because I wanted to see if INH would post at all on day 2 to see if he was silenced.

For your reading enjoyment, in reverse chronological order:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 28#p105628
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 05#p105605
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 12#p105412
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 99#p105299
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 98#p105298
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 62#p105162
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 45#p104945


I never received a response to what he meant by this:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 95#p105295


Not that it matters now.

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