The Syndicate

Golden wrote:That falls short of certain, though. Why do you feel your tells are so certain?

It's a figure of speech, Golden. I could be wrong, but I do not think I am.

Golden wrote:
Dom wrote:
Golden wrote:But, here is what I intend to do today.

I am going to do my best to PROVE bubbles is on her civ game.

Her posts are SO different between civ and bad.

I think it is difficult for anyone to look at the evidence and suggest she is bad.
There is zero doubt in my mind that Bubbles is bad.
Why?

I do not think her posts were uninformed, Golden. I have spelled this out over and over again. I read her tone as bad. I read her post as informed. I agreed with other people's points. I brought up my own.

Golden wrote:But, here is what I intend to do today.

I am going to do my best to PROVE bubbles is on her civ game.

Her posts are SO different between civ and bad.

I think it is difficult for anyone to look at the evidence and suggest she is bad.

There is zero doubt in my mind that Bubbles is bad.

Golden wrote:I read you as bad on day 6. Thats in response to you claiming I'm doing a no u.

I saw you as specifically Falcone yesterday (day 9), not on day 6.

Well that makes more sense to me.

You're wrong, but at least that makes more sense to me.

It's a serious question.

That's a Falcone kill on Day 7 and 9 you waited out, if that was truly your fear.

Golden wrote:
Dom wrote:
Golden wrote:
Bubbles wrote:city hall sounds like an interesting location so i'm voting that. also sorry for missing the last vote and the lack of thread-related posts, i haven't been keeping up with the thread
but for now dom seems more vocal than usual
Here you go dom. You, having talked about your case on bubbles being the tone of all of her nine posts, I would assume were already familiar with this.
....that's calling me bad?
I'm familiar with the post, Golden. It's just hilarious that you call this calling me bad. She didn't vote for me. But she HAS voted for other people.
I knew you were familiar with the post. I even knew what you were going to say afterwards. It wasn't exactly difficult to see where you were going.

You mean that your claim that Bubbles has suspected me is unsubstantiated at best?

Golden, I didn't realize that GTH was Day 6.

I would much rather lynch Bubbles than you, at any rate. I'm much more sure of her being bad.

Golden are you really accusing me of having an "agenda" when you just admitted to plotting to lynch me since Day 6?

Golden wrote:
Bubbles wrote:city hall sounds like an interesting location so i'm voting that. also sorry for missing the last vote and the lack of thread-related posts, i haven't been keeping up with the thread
but for now dom seems more vocal than usual
Here you go dom. You, having talked about your case on bubbles being the tone of all of her nine posts, I would assume were already familiar with this.

....that's calling me bad?
I'm familiar with the post, Golden. It's just hilarious that you call this calling me bad. She didn't vote for me. But she HAS voted for other people.

Golden wrote:Also, basically the only person bubbles has called out all game as being bad is you.

Please, do link me to that.

Golden wrote:Don't you know Scotty's role for sure?

@Dom - I don't mean I had it on you yesterday publicly in the thread. I meant it was already my view yesterday, but I just chose not to say it. I tried to get something going on you without seeming set on you, but it didn't. I was interested to let your push on Bubbles play out and see what happened. I have thought you were team Falcone for a while, so I didn't want to push too hard until after this kill in case I died. Now I have two days without having to fear a NK from Falcone.

Bullsuit.

You never mentioned me until I started to question you. What happened to your Typhoony suspicion? This is very contrived.

Golden wrote:Well, I had this stance on you yesterday.

I think you will succeed in getting bubbles lynched today. When she comes back town, which she will, I will continue to push for your lynch tomorrow.

No, you said it was a process of elimination that made me bad.
Now I'm pushing agendas.
Which is it?

Golden wrote:Oh, I even checked the EST on my computer and thought we had another hour.

Guess it doesn't matter because I'm alive, but I thought I might wind up dead and wanted to strongly encourage people to look at Dom before casting their vote today.

I think he is pushing agendas. I also note that both Wilgy and Scotty had him on their radar before being killed by team Falcone.

I think Dom is Falcone himself, rather than a corrupt cop.

Also, for all the theories about Bubbles... her last visit to the site was not within the last 48 hours.

Golden, you've quite evolved on your stance on me. I'm pushing agendas now? Yeah, I want baddies dead. I think Bubbles is one of them.

Wilgy had me at pink in one rainbow early in the game with two or three people below me. I just checked. Scotty and I bickered teh entire game until he was killed (I believe, now, he was a civ-- or at least not bad).

Also Golden, you keep pushing this idea that Bubbles, if she is the cop and not Falcone (you seem to be FIXATED on her HAVING to be the cop) she MUST be sending in PMs, right?
Well, when I went to look up Wilgy's suspicion you brought up, I saw this gem in the rules:

Epignosis wrote:The Rules

12. Team PMs are permitted.

MAtt I don't think you knew he was silenced, I think you didn't care if he was silenced. Everyone else had a sense of caution about that but you.

Additionally, I don't think you're civ. I don't think qualifying that suspicion further is helpful.

Did I miss/forget a Matt role hint?

Golden wrote:Dom asks MP about literally the only post I made against Bubbles.

I do NOT think we should be lynching bubbles tomorrow.

MP, explain... what do you see about bubbles that is different from her normal civilian game?

Yeah because it was weird that you made a post against her right after you voted to save her.

Matt wrote:I see Dom replied, but didn't give me any examples of coasting.

DH said he didn't think I was bad and is now making jokes (?) about lynching me.

Lorab and juliets didn't respond to my post at all.

K.

Your ISO is literally 2 pages from days 5-9.
Your ISO is literally 10 pages long from days 1-5.

Additionally, you have brought up significantly less points as of late. You harped on TH being bad, refused anyone else's input, and didn't want to lynch Glorf. You haven't had a cohesive suspect lists since Day 6 or 7. I have asked for your input on multiple occasions and you only are defensive about me doing so.
I think you're coasting. I think you established a civ persona in thread and are riding it to the end like you did in GoC.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dom wrote:MP what do you think of this post that Golden made?

Golden wrote:I think the best point against Bubbles is that she actually has continued to turn up despite the fact she mostly isn't checking in on the lynches. So, if bubbles is lynched, I do have some hope. I just feel like she always gets lynched and comes back town for basically the same reasons.
I'd agree with that sentiment. What really pinged me the most about Bubbles is that she gives the impression that she's engaged but she's giving nothing to really work with regards to understanding her thought process.

I do recognize she often gets mislynched, but I think that's worth the risk at this stage.

What do you think?

I think it's weird that he posted it RIGHT after voting for DFaraday.

MovingPictures07 wrote:EBWOP: Like, who checks in after a week of not showing up and acts like they know what's going on in the game by casting an informed vote? She gave no sentiment like "I have no idea what's going on" or anything; rather, she seemed to have a clear agenda.

I don't know about any of you, but after not posting for a week in a game, there's no way I'd feel informed enough to make a vote, especially as town.

This. This. a million times.

MP what do you think of this post that Golden made?

Golden wrote:I think the best point against Bubbles is that she actually has continued to turn up despite the fact she mostly isn't checking in on the lynches. So, if bubbles is lynched, I do have some hope. I just feel like she always gets lynched and comes back town for basically the same reasons.

Let's lynch her and find out.

Juliets I look forward to your thoughts.

Matt wrote:RIH DF

DH - I thought I had a solid case on you, turns out I didn't. And if you're implying that I'm bad by saying "Thanks for being this game's Dr Wilgy", you're wrong.

juliets - You were wondering who brought up the Wayne Manor/Bubbles thing. That was me. Also, yes, I typically like to wait for an exchange before voting someone, but I had no time today. You say I should've voted for someone else. Tell me, who should I have voted for? I was going to have to leave anyway, so whoever I voted for would've had no time to respond. In that position, what is better? Vote for DH, who shot up to my top suspect last night when ISOing him? Vote for a random other player for no reason? Just not vote?

Lorab - Yeah, Enrique was target painting the fuck out of me by claiming I was Batman. I also refuted being Batman several times and asked Enrique to stop. It doesn't mean I'm Batman. Tell ya what, earlier I said "Please don't Glorfindel me", you can take that as a role hint.

Dom - This guy. I'm not even sure why I'm suspicious to you Dom. Because I've been "coasting" ? Are you kidding? Every day, I read the thread, and try to contribute best I can. If you don't like what I have to say, fine, but that does not mean I've been coasting.

Enrique - Please explain why you think I'm bad. You haven't, I don't think.

Personally, I think Dom giving me a suss face because DH was silenced is absolute baloney. I had no idea the guy was silenced. I ISO'd him last night, thought I landed on a pretty swell case, posted it, came back earlier today after about 12 hours, to which he did not respond. Had to go to work, he was my top suss, voted him. I even apologized that I had to vote for him (because I know it's good mafia manners to usually not do that, Lorab) but what else should I have done?

Anyway, great result today town. I didn't have shiz to do with it, but great result nonetheless. Lynching me may get rid of an annoyance in your eyes, but you won't be lynching a bad guy.

I never said you were annoying. I said I didn't think you were good.

Holy shit.

Nice result!!! One team down, righht?

I voted Bubbles.

Golden wrote:And I already gave in on glorfindel and I don't want to give in on two of my stronger town reads in two days. I should have backed myself yesterday.

What does this mean?

Golden, what do you think of LoRab?

Golden wrote:I'll vote DF if the pair of you vote Bubbles.

What do you do if DFaraday comes back civ/not bad?

Golden wrote:How do we feel about LoRab?

Unsure. I was feeling good before, but her posts on DFaraday lacked an attention to detail that I would expect from her.

juliets wrote:
Golden wrote:I'm not overly opposed to a DF vote either. I'm essentially ambivalent.
Yes, this is what I'm feeling on DF. I'm actually considering voting myself.

Do you mean voting for yourself or voting for DF yourself?

juliets wrote:
Dom wrote:The answer is no. She would only have to be around every other phase.
Hmmmm this is true. Dom how do you account for those votes she made for Wayne Manor?

I don't know. That is a weakness that this case has.

Golden wrote:
Dom wrote:I'm not really feeling a Dfaraday lynch, I don't think. The suddenness of the case coupled with the fact that I don't really see why those points make him bad does not sit well with me.

I'd rather lynch Matt or Bubbles or Golden.
I'm not overly feeling a DF vote either, but you can't count on my vote for any of the people you named.

Is there anyone we do agree on?

juliets wrote:I missed MP coming in. He voted Bubbles.

That's where I want to vote but I want to make sure that I can stop DFaraday from being lynched. I really don't think he's bad.

I'm not really feeling a Dfaraday lynch, I don't think. The suddenness of the case coupled with the fact that I don't really see why those points make him bad does not sit well with me.

I'd rather lynch Matt or Bubbles or Golden.

Long Con wrote:What's been going on in the game? I haven't been able to keep up with the thread lately. Someone fill me in! Looks like 8 out of 17 voters have voted so far, so this lynch could go anywhere, right?

That's if we get people to show up

The answer is no. She would only have to be around every other phase.

LoRab does Bubbles have to be here every phase for her to be bad and send in PMs?

Golden wrote:There is no evidence that Matt has been able to be around for the rest of the day. Perhaps he had to vote that early.

Regardless, a quick check like I just did would have shown him that a regular poster like DH had not posted in a while. Since before the day started. Even if he couldn't vote later, I think the vote was hasty. I already suspect him and I don't like that vote one bit.

Yeah but none of us actually voted DH so hastily.

I'd imagine he'd want to use caution in this regard if he cares about who he lynches.

I thought he posted earlier in the day, but it was just before the night ended. He may be silenced.

That makes me

Matt's vote a bit.

I liked Matt's case on DH, but I want to hear his response.

There's been very little discussion of a DFaraday vote and now he's in the lead. That makes my eye twitch.

Why are people voting DFaaday?

Golden, I read them as baddie in tone. I'm sorry we disagree. I don't think we have a "normal town" Bubbles.

Stop telling people to read her? What on earth is that post Golden? Why? I'm encouraging people to make their own decision. I have discussed and will continue to discuss other suspects as well. What is your angle here?

Golden wrote:@dom - Because I felt Bubbles was a more acceptable loss than Glorfindel if the theory was wrong. For all the criticism of Glorfindel, I felt he was really contributing. For example, his case on MM and his point about how lower posters were being killed off, perhaps because some killers are higher posters that didn't want to isolate themselves, were really unique thoughts that he brought to the table.

Bubbles, on the other hand, just started a new job (I know because she had to ask for a replacement in Zodiac) and so I know she is having a tough time contributing.

So, you thought if Glorfindel was bad then Bubbles was surely bad.
So you voted Bubbles because logic went out the window.

Bullzeye wrote:Can someone remind me of the arguments against Bubbles?

Personally, just read her last few posts. Felt a scummy vibe from them.

Golden wrote:OK, Dom, you read bubbles as bad. But I've somewhat made a career out of defending bubbles when she is civ. There's only been one time Bubbles has been bad that I've played and remember... when she was the Beuatiful Beast in World Reborn... and I was nailing her to the wall from about day 2.

I wouldn't ask you to trust my instincts on many people, but I would ask you to trust them on Bubbles. Yeah, I voted for her yesterday, but it was because I had a moment of doubt where I wondered if I'd been reading things badly wrong, her and glorfindel. But, glorfindel was civ, it gives me more confidence in my initial read on bubbles and makes me feel silly for doubting it.

If Glorfindel was your link to Bubbles, if that was what could make her bad-- then why not vote Glorfindel in the first place?

Golden wrote:
juliets wrote:Typh regarding you asking who i would vote, I just made a post re: how i feel like I have no body to vote. I won't vote you or Dom or Golden at this time. The only person I have any small inkling to vote would be Matt for not letting DH respond to accusations before voting him but thats a mighty slim reason. This is really just a condensed version of the post I made. Maybe you missed it.
Don't you think that seems like Matt, though?

I felt like people were far too hasty to clear Matt after the Nerolunar lynch. Back then, I felt he could well be bad. But, over time, for example his unflinching suspicion of people like TH and MP despite all evidence to the contrary. I just came out of all of that feeling like this is normal Matt.

I could see Matt as inmate though.

I agree that Matt was cleared after that lynch for reasons that are unclear. What I'll say is that Matt has very much coasted since the attention has been off of him. And that's the attitude I thought he had in GoC.

Typhoony wrote:I'm willing to vote a low poster that has been able to send in the kills. Who are the possibilities then?

Bubbles?

I guess DFaraday or LoRab as others said.
But I'm leaning Bubbles.

SVS, I really wish I knew what you wanted. :/ I'm suckz at this.

Golden wrote:
Dom wrote:Bubbles' posts and vote were bad to me regardless of intent. Tone-wise, timing, etc.
How can something be bad 'regardless of intent'?

Her tone is entirely consistent with civ bubbles, as I was saying early and many people pointed out to me after I voted her (and I always agreed with that).
The only thing about the timing and choice of vote would have been to do exactly as she said... save glorfindel... who turns out to be civilian.

So, explain to me how her normal civilian tone and the timing of her vote are bad, exactly?

I didn't read the posts as civ. I read them as bad. I thought she sounded bad. I didn't think about who she might be saving-- I thought she sounded bad.

Golden wrote:I just looked at your four links Dom and...

That's putting pressure on me?

Saying 'lynch golden 2016' - like, to me it doesn't matter who says something like that, out of context it could just as easily be sarcastic as serious. It went right past me if it was a serious accusation.

You've said it's bullsuit I'm not role claiming, but tell me exactly what you thought I was roleclaiming? When I explained myself, you never replied to suggest you disagreed.

None of that felt like pressure to me...

But I will say, all game, you've felt like someone who will push into something very briefly and then back off when it isn't going that way. I don't know if this is a tell of a particular affiliation for you.

I felt like I put some pressure on you. I believe I said I was pestering you at a certain point as well.

Think about it Golden: A World Reborn, did Dom give up on his suspicions?

But still, you've yet to give a single reason for thinking I'm bad. What makes me more bad than other people? You said you won't elaborate, and that's some bullsuit there.

Golden wrote:
Dom wrote:
Golden wrote:
LoRab wrote:Curious why you don't have a town read on me and if there is anything I can do to change that....
It's more process of elimination than "LoRab screams baddie". I haven't seen anything that makes me think you ARE town, and even though I recognise it could well be because you were away, the baddies have to be somewhere.

My job is to figure out which of those five I suspect the most. I think you are the one I suspect the least of the five. I think the most likely place for my vote today is Dom or Typh.
Very cool-- I put pressure on you and all of a sudden I shoot to the top of your suspect list with Typh.
When did you put pressure on me?

R U SRS?

You got defensive and accused me right on the spot:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 48#p243848
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 48#p242048
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 51#p242151
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 34#p243434

Golden wrote:By the way I gave a reason for BOTH of you. Process of elimination. You don't have to like the reason, but it's the truth. If you expect some grand revelation about how your posts are particularly terrible, you won't get one. They just don't exhibit anything that makes me town read you.

So how do you prioritize me over Equivocate or Ek etc?

Because...???

Golden wrote:
Typhoony wrote:
Golden wrote:I don't think Matt is bad.

I don't think bubbles is bad. If Glorf had come back bad I would have.
I don't understand your thought process regarding Bubble and Glorfindel.
You had been hesitant about Glorfindel before, then Bubbles came in with her drive by post, then you thought there could be a connection there but preferred to lynch Bubbles because Glorfindel actually contributed, and now you're back to where you were before.
It seems like a lazy way to make us think you are trying to evolve your thoughts based on happenings in the thread but you just wound up at the same point you were at before.
You seemed to not give a damn who was lynched yesterday and that to me is not civ Golden.
It's not hard to understand. Glorfindel was good. Therefore Bubbles did not save him. Therefore, given bubbles conforms to her normal civ behaviour, I see no reason to see her as bad.

Why is this a 'lazy way' to evolve my thoughts? At least they are evolving. As far as I can tell your thoughts haven't evolved in days. I'm the only person I know you suspect.

Bubbles' posts and vote were bad to me regardless of intent. Tone-wise, timing, etc.

juliets wrote:Dom if you are still here, is there anything that you know of that you can respond to Golden with? I see from your comment that you think he might be going there because you put pressure on him. Was there anything else for you to respond to?

Sorry, i could have done that all in one post but it didn't think of it until I had posted.

Golden, as far as I'm aware has not given a single reason why he thinks I should be lynched. My name has only come up since I put pressure on him.

I don't think civ Golden is here.

Hello???? Where y'all at????

Matt, I'm looking forward to what DH has to say about your post.

Golden wrote:
LoRab wrote:Curious why you don't have a town read on me and if there is anything I can do to change that....
It's more process of elimination than "LoRab screams baddie". I haven't seen anything that makes me think you ARE town, and even though I recognise it could well be because you were away, the baddies have to be somewhere.

My job is to figure out which of those five I suspect the most. I think you are the one I suspect the least of the five. I think the most likely place for my vote today is Dom or Typh.

Very cool-- I put pressure on you and all of a sudden I shoot to the top of your suspect list with Typh.

i ave drunk 223 for 15 hos

Dom wrote:2 day is the sant patricks dai parade3 in ne2port so i am gnt playing g9d today

:P

2 day is the sant patricks dai parade3 in ne2port so i am gnt playing g9d today

Fuck that.

Matt wrote:Can Dom and MP please explain why I'm number 1 on their list?

I have not been coasting in this game by any means. By "the last few days", if you mean because

a) nobody gave a jack about what I was saying so I've been quieter, yes

and

b) That Turf Wars just started and I was also quiet for a day or two when replacing into Rocky and Bullwinkle.

then k.

If anyone thinks I'm bad, please specify which team you think I'm on, and how that makes sense. Thank you. It's also very hard to defend against "this is GoC Matt", and again, it's not. GoC Matt did nothing but tunnel Marmot. Akrham Matt has lots of opinions, most of which nobody wants to entertain.

So instead of proving me wrong you just say I'm wrong and don't baddie hunt? You just want to know specifics and poke holes in my case? You don't want to find a baddie?

MovingPictures07 wrote:RIP Glorfindel.

Dom, I agree completely regarding seeing a GoC Matt. Who are your top 3 players you'd like to lynch at the moment, out of curiosity?

Matt
Bubbles
Third one is tough.... maybe Golden? IDK. I need more infomration here.

Same question to you, Alex.

Matt wrote:Blah.

Dom, it's possible I'm wrong on TH. In fact, I thought perhaps I was until I saw him lying...again...on Day 7. But again, let's move on. Until somebody else susses TH, I'm happy to simply not talk about it anymore. I think it sucks because he's totes bad, but I'm not interested in getting lynched because you guys think I'm tunneling too hard on him.

What's your "new point", Dom? Tell me how GoC Matt and Arkham Matt are similar. Because of the "tunneling" ? Nah, I was all over Marmot's ass in that game and I would not let go, I hung on to him for dear life. This game, I've had opinions aplenty. Yeah, I do continue to bring up TH, but now that I see the tide is turning and I'm going to get mislynched if I don't shut the fuck up, I suppose I'll do so for my own sake.

Check it...I like Marmot. When Marmot died, I PMed the hosts and was like "Who killed Marmot?! ". Check it, bea is one of my favorite people of all time here. When I had no choice but to kill her in GoC, I was pretty darn sad over it and that's when I literally had no choice. And WIFOM or not, I simply would not go around joking about NKing Sorsha if I were on either Mafia team. As a civ, I have no problem making jokes of that nature, as a baddie, I'd be way too scared to do that, straight up.

Derp.

Because of the coasting.
You haven't had a new opinion or take on anything that isn't what you "want" to talk about in days. You are trying to push this narrative that you are super helpful and contribute a lot. You haven't been lately. You did at first.

MacDougall wrote:TH answer Dom

This.

Golden wrote:I don't think Matt is bad.

I don't think bubbles is bad. If Glorf had come back bad I would have.

Why?

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